RADIO CALL — TAPE #672 EXCERPT
Q: Mark Russell Bell
S: “Dreamland” radio show operator
W: Whitley Strieber, host of “Dreamland” radio show
J: Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove, guest on “Dreamland”
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED DURING THE JANUARY 7, 2001 BROADCAST OF "DREAMLAND." [2021 UPDATE: AT THE TIME THIS PROGRAM WAS THE SUNDAY NIGHT 'SISTER PROGRAM' OF "COAST TO COAST AM."])
S: Thanks for calling "Coast to Coast AM." Would you like to talk to Dr. Mishlove?
Q: Yes, I would.
S: I need your first name.
Q: Mark.
S: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: Canoga Park. In California.
S: Yeah, I know where it is. I used to live in Oxnard. Mark, and you're real close to L.A., aren't you?
Q: That's right.
S: Okay. Put you on hold and get you on the line.
W: . . . 21st of January two of the witnesses from my cabin—who were at my cabin and had actual close encounters at my cabin while fully conscious and awake—are going to be on the show to just sort of talk about whole thing and talk about their responses to The Key and I have some other people I'm — we're thinking — we're not sure who we're going to have on talk about The Key. It just depends on how — what kind of response we get in the next few weeks. And — but, anyway, it's available. It's in — it — you can get it at (gives number). It's $19.95. Or you can go to the whitleysworld.com and look down the left hand column and you'll see under the — under "Whitley's Projects," The Key is there and you can click on that and look at the rather beautiful advertising page that has been created by Louis Steiner or you can look — you can simply click through the banner at the top of the page. It's all over the place on the site. And I do think ultimately that it's my great contribution to this whole field and this is what I was maybe put here to do. So be that — or that kind of is. Jeffrey is a fascinating guy. He has got a book here, which as you go through it, you begin to realize that we are potentially much more than we allow ourselves to believe. It's like the analogy of a house. We have this great big beautiful amazing house that is the mind of man. And where do we live? Way down in one little corner of the basement, saying, "Nope, there's no upstairs. There are no windows. There's no outside. And, certainly, there's no starry night up there glowing above." I don't think so. And I have a feeling I've got the agreement of Jeffrey Mishlove. There's a whole great house out there. We're going to be talking about that a little bit more in just a couple minutes. This is Whitley Strieber, it's "Dreamland" and we'll be back. . . .
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W: . . . This is Whitley Strieber, it's "Dreamland," we're back with Jeffrey Mishlove and your phone calls. And we're going to go straight to the phones. Let's go to Mark in Canoga Park, C.A. (BEEP) Hi, Mark.
Q: Hello. As someone familiar with the scope of Jeffrey's work, it is troubling to hear him focus on the Premiere shows on the so-called 'PK Man.' Jeffrey, have you considered that the phenomena is better understood as evidence of a shared Superconscious Mind involved in a test of discernment and love?
J: I think that's as good an explanation as the one provided by an earlier caller who said that these are powers and principalities of evil.
W: Yeah —
J: I, myself, tend to view it from a humanistic perspective and think that if (or "IF") — if we get beyond all the theology and beyond all of the fear and the rhetoric, we might see Ted Owens as a human being just like us struggling with all of his might to be recognized, ("AND") having enormous frustrations and, of course, enormous powers and kind of in some ways a very childlike personality.
Q: (off the air) Well, see, I don't think he had the power himself.
W: I think (line disconnected)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I realized then that I had been terminated — my call. So now let me go ahead and — it didn't turn out very well when I recorded the rebroadcast so let's go ahead and tape it from the archive edition.
W: . . . I think that's much closer to the explanation of this, frankly Jeffrey, because — and it interests me more than dismissing it in a way as this kind of a supernatural phenomenon or something to do with space beings that basically and apparently capriciously make decisions about whether or not to let us gain any of this power. I just have a feeling we can all do this. Let me put it that way. And, also, that we're going to need to use this for our welfare, maybe even for our survival — maybe I'm wrong but I see the environment as being in a kind of terminal — a tailspin. That it's about to crash and burn. Maybe I'm wrong about that but wouldn't it be possible and maybe necessary for us to be able to use this power some time in the near future? How do you react to that?
J: I'm inclined to think that it's part of both our evolutionary past and our evolutionary future. And that — also, Whitley, that in native cultures and amongst the American Indians and the Africans, these kinds of powers were well understood by the shamans and were used within a tribal context for the betterment of the community.
W: When you say part of our evolutionary path, that opens up a huge line of questioning. Next week's guest is going to be Michael Cremo, who is one of the authors of Forbidden Archaeology about remarkable artifacts from the deep past. Did we have powers do you think in the past that we have lost touch with?
J: I (or "I") — it would seem to me that somewhere along the course of human history we made some deliberate decisions, maybe as a result of becoming civilized, to suppress these abilities. . . . we have to be aware of our own psychic hygiene. If we want to avoid psychic attack, we have to be alert to negative thoughts that pass through ("YES") our own consciousness and learn how to negate them, to dismiss them, not to own them. ("BECAUSE") We become vulnerable when we cultivate the habit of allowing negative thought to pass through our minds as if they were our own thoughts.
W: You know, reading your book — reading The P.K. Man, I came away with the feeling that it may be that the kind of climatic environment may be incredibly sensitive to human psychic activity.
J: Um-huh (or "UM-HUH"). Did you get that impression too or am I seeing something into it?
W: Well certainly Ted Owens seemed to demonstrate that over and over again but, you know, I think that the human species is in much greater jeopardy than the environment itself. . . .
Q: . . . (speaking into tape recorder) So last night I called Whitley and Jeffrey Mishlove and I'm just thinking it seems like there's something wrong here involving denial or something is amiss when it comes to God because you never hear Whitley or Jeffrey address that. At least, not on the radio. . . .
S: Thanks for calling "Coast to Coast AM." Would you like to talk to Dr. Mishlove?
Q: Yes, I would.
S: I need your first name.
Q: Mark.
S: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: Canoga Park. In California.
S: Yeah, I know where it is. I used to live in Oxnard. Mark, and you're real close to L.A., aren't you?
Q: That's right.
S: Okay. Put you on hold and get you on the line.
W: . . . 21st of January two of the witnesses from my cabin—who were at my cabin and had actual close encounters at my cabin while fully conscious and awake—are going to be on the show to just sort of talk about whole thing and talk about their responses to The Key and I have some other people I'm — we're thinking — we're not sure who we're going to have on talk about The Key. It just depends on how — what kind of response we get in the next few weeks. And — but, anyway, it's available. It's in — it — you can get it at (gives number). It's $19.95. Or you can go to the whitleysworld.com and look down the left hand column and you'll see under the — under "Whitley's Projects," The Key is there and you can click on that and look at the rather beautiful advertising page that has been created by Louis Steiner or you can look — you can simply click through the banner at the top of the page. It's all over the place on the site. And I do think ultimately that it's my great contribution to this whole field and this is what I was maybe put here to do. So be that — or that kind of is. Jeffrey is a fascinating guy. He has got a book here, which as you go through it, you begin to realize that we are potentially much more than we allow ourselves to believe. It's like the analogy of a house. We have this great big beautiful amazing house that is the mind of man. And where do we live? Way down in one little corner of the basement, saying, "Nope, there's no upstairs. There are no windows. There's no outside. And, certainly, there's no starry night up there glowing above." I don't think so. And I have a feeling I've got the agreement of Jeffrey Mishlove. There's a whole great house out there. We're going to be talking about that a little bit more in just a couple minutes. This is Whitley Strieber, it's "Dreamland" and we'll be back. . . .
( . . . )
W: . . . This is Whitley Strieber, it's "Dreamland," we're back with Jeffrey Mishlove and your phone calls. And we're going to go straight to the phones. Let's go to Mark in Canoga Park, C.A. (BEEP) Hi, Mark.
Q: Hello. As someone familiar with the scope of Jeffrey's work, it is troubling to hear him focus on the Premiere shows on the so-called 'PK Man.' Jeffrey, have you considered that the phenomena is better understood as evidence of a shared Superconscious Mind involved in a test of discernment and love?
J: I think that's as good an explanation as the one provided by an earlier caller who said that these are powers and principalities of evil.
W: Yeah —
J: I, myself, tend to view it from a humanistic perspective and think that if (or "IF") — if we get beyond all the theology and beyond all of the fear and the rhetoric, we might see Ted Owens as a human being just like us struggling with all of his might to be recognized, ("AND") having enormous frustrations and, of course, enormous powers and kind of in some ways a very childlike personality.
Q: (off the air) Well, see, I don't think he had the power himself.
W: I think (line disconnected)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I realized then that I had been terminated — my call. So now let me go ahead and — it didn't turn out very well when I recorded the rebroadcast so let's go ahead and tape it from the archive edition.
W: . . . I think that's much closer to the explanation of this, frankly Jeffrey, because — and it interests me more than dismissing it in a way as this kind of a supernatural phenomenon or something to do with space beings that basically and apparently capriciously make decisions about whether or not to let us gain any of this power. I just have a feeling we can all do this. Let me put it that way. And, also, that we're going to need to use this for our welfare, maybe even for our survival — maybe I'm wrong but I see the environment as being in a kind of terminal — a tailspin. That it's about to crash and burn. Maybe I'm wrong about that but wouldn't it be possible and maybe necessary for us to be able to use this power some time in the near future? How do you react to that?
J: I'm inclined to think that it's part of both our evolutionary past and our evolutionary future. And that — also, Whitley, that in native cultures and amongst the American Indians and the Africans, these kinds of powers were well understood by the shamans and were used within a tribal context for the betterment of the community.
W: When you say part of our evolutionary path, that opens up a huge line of questioning. Next week's guest is going to be Michael Cremo, who is one of the authors of Forbidden Archaeology about remarkable artifacts from the deep past. Did we have powers do you think in the past that we have lost touch with?
J: I (or "I") — it would seem to me that somewhere along the course of human history we made some deliberate decisions, maybe as a result of becoming civilized, to suppress these abilities. . . . we have to be aware of our own psychic hygiene. If we want to avoid psychic attack, we have to be alert to negative thoughts that pass through ("YES") our own consciousness and learn how to negate them, to dismiss them, not to own them. ("BECAUSE") We become vulnerable when we cultivate the habit of allowing negative thought to pass through our minds as if they were our own thoughts.
W: You know, reading your book — reading The P.K. Man, I came away with the feeling that it may be that the kind of climatic environment may be incredibly sensitive to human psychic activity.
J: Um-huh (or "UM-HUH"). Did you get that impression too or am I seeing something into it?
W: Well certainly Ted Owens seemed to demonstrate that over and over again but, you know, I think that the human species is in much greater jeopardy than the environment itself. . . .
Q: . . . (speaking into tape recorder) So last night I called Whitley and Jeffrey Mishlove and I'm just thinking it seems like there's something wrong here involving denial or something is amiss when it comes to God because you never hear Whitley or Jeffrey address that. At least, not on the radio. . . .
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