RADIO CALL — TAPES #673 & #674 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
S: "Coast to Coast AM" radio show operator
D: David Lowe, "USA Radio News" newscaster
J: John Decker, "USA Radio News" reporter
M: Mike Siegel, host of "Coast to Coast AM" radio show
L: Lawrence Gordon, guest on "Coast to Coast AM"
R: Ross Mitchell, taped announcements for "Coast to Coast AM"
C: Carl, caller from Kitchener, Ontario
B: Mable, caller from California
S: . . . Are you calling for Lawrence Gordon?
Q: Yes, I am.
S: Okay, you made it through on the wild card line and if your radio's on, just be sure to turn it down.
S: Great. Thanks for calling.
D: . . . Israeli and U.S. officials have signed an agreement to trim the $3 billion package of annual U.S. aid overall. "USA"'s John Decker has more from Washington.
J: Under this decade-long plan, Israel will see its $1.8 billion in annual military aid grow by $60 million a year to $2.4 billion in 2008. However, it will also see its $1.2 billion in civilian aid shrink by $120 billion a year down to zero in 2008. In one of his final acts, President Clinton also issued a statement, declaring that Israel should be among the first foreign customers for the Lockheed Martin F-22 Fighter, which is due in 2005. John Decker, "USA Radio News," Washington.
D: The attorney for Rae Carruth is promising an appeal of his client's guilty verdict on three of four charges in connection with the shooting of his pregnant girlfriend who died after giving birth. The former Carolina Panthers football player was found not guilty of the most serious charge of first degree murder. This is "USA Radio News." . . .
M: And we are back with you. Good to have you with us and why don't we go right to the calls for Lawrence Gordon, who's been eloquent in articulating his family's experiences with three ghosts in his home — actually, two ghosts and a spirit — a free-roaming spirit at that; and how he evolved to learn with his wife how to live with these ghosts. Maybe not one of his sons but certainly he and his wife have and it has been more than fascinating as we've gone along. Let's get now to your questions, comments, reactions. On the wild card line, you're on "Coast to Coast AM." Hello.
Q: Good morning, Michael and Lawrence.
L: Hello. ("HI")
Q: I've listened carefully to the events Mr. Gordon has described and the premises for his — some of his conclusions. ("BUT")
M: Can I get your first name and where you're calling from?
Q: Oh yeah, hi, it's Mark again from Los Angeles.
M: Thanks, Mark. Go ahead.
Q: Anyway, have you considered there might be a more complex interpretation and purpose to the unseen forces being demonstrated in your home?
L: I — yes, the thought has occurred to me but after having the conversations that we've had in the last fifteen years with Roger, specifically, our friendly ghost, if you will, I do not think that there are any undertones that we're not aware of. I think he is a little troubled by the fact that he is stuck where he is. I personally think he would rather go on. I think his days — his endless days, if you will, of being a ghost — being a spirit in this case and being stuck here, so to speak, and sort of being in-between the two worlds — he has not really gone on to his world or whatever is beyond for him and he's not yet fully physically a part of this world that we live in. ("LET ME")
Q: Let me take it to another point. Do you believe there is an organizing Spirit to the universe?
L: Yes. Yes, I do.
Q: Yes? So — well, anyway, I would refer you to the testament.org website for another way of interpreting the events.
L: I think that everyone has their own interpretation of things. I think that religious interpretations are fine for those who wish to utilize those. There are many different religions in the world, whether it be a person is a Baptist, a Methodist; whether they be Jewish or Catholic or whether they be Buddhist or Confucian. You pick it — there are many, many various viewpoints out there. No one is to say what's right and what's wrong. In this country today, again, there are approximately 35% of the population that have a belief system that allows for ghosts. There has to be a reason for that. There's too much activity that can be documented to dissuade or discard that idea. To simply fall back on religious beliefs, to fall back on the Bible, if you will, to me is a way out that really does not confront the issues or try to deal with them. Everybody has their belief systems. I do not condemn your belief systems or anyone else. I have mine.
M: First-time caller line, you're on "Coast to Coast A. M." Hello. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I never get to speak very much. But I think If I could've spoken more, I would've tried to have him expand his perceptions out a little bit further to encompass more than some of the sources that he has used. For example, he might look at the synchronicity involved in names of his family. For example, his wife's maiden name, her middle name. The bumper music on the show could also be taken, for example, into consideration. I heard The Cranberries ("WI[TH] SOME") lyrics that they feature quite often on the show. Some very disturbing lyrics. And then there's also the music from the play "Chess." I remember Art Bell used to feature Abba so there's something — a parallel there, perhaps. The show keeps introducing itself as "the kingdom of the dark" and "We worship the dark." So certainly Mr. Gordon tonight is fulfilling this theme. Looking at the dark side rather than at the light.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CONTINUE RECORDING THE LIVE BROADCAST AND THE BUMPER MUSIC IS "TUBULAR BELLS" BY MIKE OLDFIELD.)
M: We thought we'd bring you the darker side. The demons. Possession. Not like the friendly ghosts you're hearing about from Mr. Gordon but that, of course, from "The Exorcist." Let's go to the first time caller line. You're on "Coast to Coast AM." Hello. . . .
Good god you said Is that the only thing you care about Splitting up the money And share it out . . .
(Bumper music is "Never Stop" performed by Echo and the Bunnymen.)
R: Stay tuned for more from the kingdom of darkness with Mike Siegel on "Coast to Coast AM." This is the Premiere Radio Networks.
Q: I think that says it all.
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Q: The rebroadcast.
Q: (broadcast) ("LET ME") Let me take it to another point. Do you believe there is an organizing Spirit to the universe?
L: (broadcast) Yes. Yes, I do.
Q: (broadcast) Yes? So — well, anyway, I would refer you to the testament.org website for another way of interpreting the events.
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So that was what I said before being disconnected. So now let's go the archives of the show. There were some excerpts before and after my call that I thought would be interesting to share. Well here's the first bumper music after the first hour.
. . . More than this — tell me one thing More than this — there is nothing . . .
(Bumper music is "More Than This" performed by Roxy Music)
Q: They tend to use the same songs over and over again. You could barely hear it that time but for each one of these that I present, I must've heard them at least several times.
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Q: Well here's the bumper music for the next half hour.
. . . don't let it fade I'm sure I'm not being rude But it's just your attitude It's tearing me apart It's ruining everything . . .
(Bumper music is "Linger" performed by The Cranberries)
Q: So now it's time to hear how my call sounds on the archives . . . Well they didn't cut out the website address this time unlike the last several times when I said it so that's a change. So now we'll (or "WE'LL") go and see one of the interesting questions after the next commercial break.
I was born in the wagon of a travelin' show My mama used to dance for the money they'd throw Papa would do whatever he could Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Dr. Good Gypsies, tramps and thieves We'd hear from the people of the town They'd call us gypsies, tramps and thieves But every night all the men would come around And lay their money down . . .
(Bumper music is "Gypsies Tramps and Thieves" performed by Cher)
Q: Well the quality of the archive isn't very good so I've been taping over the rebroadcast so I think I'll go back to that for the next portion. I wish I could afford a new radio and I guess I'll miss some of these bumper music selections after Art returns, if I even listen which I haven't really decided about yet. I'll probably give him a chance and see how I feel. So, anyway, let's go back to what I recorded during the rebroadcast.
M: . . . Let us go to the Electronic Voice Phenomena. Fellow says, "Dear Mike, has Lawrence ever tried to record the ghost in the house on a tape recorder." And he's got a reprint of the International Ghost Hunters Society saying that they've been a pioneer and leader in the EVP development for ghost hunting, which is Electronic Voice Phenomena — for ghost hunting community since '96. And Electronic Voice Phenomena is a process whereby the voice or voice of the dead are imbedded onto magnetic recording tape by a process that we do not understand. Have you tried that?
L: I've had it happen. There was an interview that I did on a station in, I'm doing this from memory, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida I believe it was, during which time the interview was — I think it was ABC Radio Network, 115 stations. They performed the interview. It was taped. It was played on a tape delay basis the next day. During the middle of the interview on the tape delayed basis the next day, they began hearing the voices of a man in the background that could not be accounted for in any other fashion because when I do these interviews there are no TVs, no radios on in the house. It's as dead quiet as we can get it. They didn't have any going on, on the other end but they knew the building that they were in was haunted already — the radio station. And when it came to light that that voice was in the background, it startled everybody. Matter of fact, I got to hear the tape. We have also in this particular case — the Ghost Hunter Society, by the way . . . I joined a few years ago. But the bottom line is that here in this house we have video taped one seance in particular in which we did capture an image on tape of a shadow crossing the field of vision screen — the video camera. And when you play it back, you can literally see this image cross the screen and lurch at the young woman who is doing the seance — who is going into a psychic trance to allow Roger to speak through her. And at that time her voice did change and she was speaking with a different male sort of masculine voice. And you could see the transition take place on film.
M: Incredible. Absolutely incredible. And that radio — was that WFTL Radio, by any chance?
L: I believe it was. It was in South Florida. It's been about a year ago when that happened. They asked me if I would come down and investigate the building as a matter of fact along with my wife and we intend to do that. It's just I've been very busy lately.
M: I once worked at that radio station. That's why I asked.
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L: . . . to an area that I will explain in this manner. Roger has told us emphatically that he is waiting to be reincarnated. I know that that opens a lot of worms — can of worms. And a lot of people may take offense of that based on their religious beliefs and so forth but he tells us he's waiting to be reincarnated and he feels he will come back again at one day in the future and be given an opportunity to try it all over again.
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Q: So he did mention Tinkerbell when answering another question.
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M: . . . Let's go to the west of the Rockies line and you're on "Coast to Coast AM." Hello.
M: Yes sir.
W: My name is John. I'm a writer. I'm a blind writer so I always have tape recorders near me. And March about two years ago I got up to go to the bathroom. I'm all by myself. I come back and my tape recorder's going. I shut it off and then — "Wait a minute. Something's wrong here." So I played it back and there were two people speaking to each other and not to me because I was asleep. I recognized my mother's voice. She's been dead seventeen years. I recognized her voice immediately and all she said was, "JOHNNY." I know my mama but the guy I couldn't figure out who it was so then I got on my computer here about six months ago because I couldn't find my father's phone number so I got an uncle of mine in Louisiana and he died on the month that tape recorder just popped on. And it was my father. It's just a plain old tape recorder that I use to write my books and then I transcribe to computer. I've had strange, you know, things happen before but this one here (small laugh) really got me. And I made copies of it and copies of it. I don't know really what to do with it. I'm just going to keep it. You know, I'm not going to worry about it.
M: Lawrence, what do you think? Thank you, sir. . . . Walter is back with us on a cellphone at Mount Rainier, Washington. Walter, go right ahead.
W: (reception problems with this call during broadcast) Oh my God. So I . . . (called?) back. Yeah, I've had problems with ghosts ever since . . . in the mirror. . . mirror and I was talking to spirits. And they seemed to be — they were extremely intelligent and they were able to foresee things. And like the guy was saying — they were very dangerous. And I start . . . caller. Now this isn't religious but something with the powers of . . . when we think of God or a spirit of God. And then things start changing. And I've been working with the spirit but I (or "BUT I") . . . Jesus. And I was wondering . . . like the community of the Holy Spirit. People have . . .
M: I think you're cutting out again so I don't know what we can do about that except, Lawrence, if you want to respond about the relationships between ghosts and spiritual or religious beliefs, briefly feel free to do that.
L: It is my opinion that a lot of people because of their religious beliefs will not allow for the possibility of ghosts or spirits because many people think that when you pass away you either go to heaven or you go somewhere else. There are those other people who have the point of view that when you pass away, that is absolutely it. The end of the line. The end of the sentence. You've dotted the last, no (or "NO"), I and crossed the last T and it's all over with.
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Q: Well there was an interesting "no" in the middle of a sentence. In this case, the spirit message sounded very much like the guest. Well this was an interesting combination of calls toward the end of the program.
M: . . . First time caller line, hi, you're on "Coast to Coast AM."
C: Hello. I'm calling from Kitchener, Ontario, Canada.
M: First name?
C: I've had experiences with both —
M: Can I get your first name?
C: Carl from Kitchen, Ontario, Canada.
M: Carl. Go right ahead.
C: I've had experiences with both ghosts . . . (re)member doors flying open and a kitchen table which made a really loud ruckus. It was an old-style . . . and it just made loud noises. When a friend of my mother's died . . . but I just wanted to say that my faith in Jesus Christ — like my faith overcome these sort of things. Like other experiences too which I won't mention.
M: Okay, I appreciate that and I thank you very much as we move to the west of the Rockies line. You're on "Coast to Coast AM." Hello. West of the Rockies, hello?
B: Yes, this is Mable.
M: From where are you calling, Mable?
M: Go right ahead.
B: Yes. I have a ghost — well I don't know if it — I guess it is because she's dead so I suppose you could call her a ghost that comes to visit every once in a while and she only comes at night and not every . . .
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Q: So it's February 24th. I'm listening to "Dreamland" and Whitley's got his own Angel Michael book out now apparently called The Key. His guest for this show just talked about meeting an Archangel—who she thinks may have been named Michael—at a hotel much like Whitley did. And Whitley also has pictures of his cabin on his website and it does have weatherboarding, I might add. So it's quite a situation. What next from Whitley? I mean what did he think when he received my book with the special prepared excerpts page?
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE LAST "COAST TO COAST AM" BROADCAST HOSTED BY MIKE SIEGEL.)
D: Hi, Mike. It's Dave calling from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
M: Hello Dave.
D: You know, I want to say you're really going to be missed. My grandmother and I enjoy listening to you on the radio and you gave Art Bell a real run for his money. You did a really fine job ("NO") being there each night.
M: Well that actually wasn't the intent and I say take that in a positive way because the intent was — and as I said to him — I was going to try to be a good foster parent for the program, to maintain it so that in the end in the situation that occurred now that he is coming back he would have his program in place. And I was very glad to find that he . . .
D: Well you certainly did that. ("NO") May I — I didn't hear the whole show, what do you and Vanna have in store for the future?
M: Well I'm in conversations at the moment and I was told earlier that — by Alan (Corbeth), who's the senior vice president for this program — that there will be — when I'm resolved and settled, this program will let you all know that. . . .