RADIO CALL — TAPES #669 & #670 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
L: Lynn, “Matt Drudge” radio show screener
M: Matt Drudge
C: Carol, caller from Westchester
L: Hi. Who’s this?
Q: Hi, this is Mark.
L: And where are you calling from?
Q: Canoga Park in California.
L: Okay, I can’t pronounce Canoga Park. I’ll just say California. Alright, we’re not asking you want to talk about tonight so turn your radio off. I’m going to put you on hold and I don’t know exactly when he’s going back to calls so be patient, okay?
Q: Thank you.
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M: . . . It’s Drudge on Christmas Eve. Yes, we’re live. Yes, here in the flesh. And we’re breaking from format, taking call after call after call, checking in on this quiet night, a rather holy night. Let’s go out to Canoga Park . . . (BEEP) . . . Drudge.
Q: Good evening, Matt.
M: Hello. Merry merry.
Q: I wanted to make a comment on spirituality and we have a lot of problems. There’s bureaucratic waste —
M: Can we say that on commercial radio?
Q: I don’t know, can we?
M: I got to call Washington and check. Colin Powell’s new — Colin Powell’s son is going to be put on the FCC, I hear. (“HE’LL”) Give him a call.
Q: Well, anyway, with all this greed I think that the problem is in terms of spirituality is that ‘ethics are fine’ seems to be the philosophy ‘as long as it doesn’t impact my own bank account.’ And people just think that the system’s in place to help them and they don’t really pay attention to some of the finer points. In my case, I can tell you I’m one of those temporary workers—and I think America is becoming a nation of ‘temps’—and in one of my recent jobs I found out that the agency is probably getting an equal amount of money that I’m making. I work for peanuts and I find out that they’re making the same amount of money off me that I’m making. Now is that slavery?
M: With 35% of it going to Washington on top of everything else.
Q: That’s right. But I mean agencies are — they can only take 10% but somehow there’s a loophole and the temp agencies can take as much as they want and there’s nothing to oversee them. I mean nobody wants bureaucratic waste and yet when people find any kind of ‘in’ to cheat others, they grab it without thinking about the hardships faced —
M: So what do — Mark, what are we supposed to do to help you? I mean what is the great American mass supposed to do to help you?
Q: Well I think that if we all practice what we hear in our Sunday schools and churches —
M: No no no, sir, we do courtroom sessions in Florida over the election debacle — they were having courtroom sessions on Sunday. We don’t do church any more here. Haven’t you heard? They’re doing — the judges are holding court or giving the sermons these days.
Q: Well I am a fellow journalist, of course, and I would —
M: On your website. You know, launch your own report. Maybe you’ll get rich and famous. Maybe you can show the main press for what it . . .
Q: Well my website — and thanks, Matt, because you have helped me promote it once before: testament.org —
M: Okay, thanks for the call. (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING IS ONE OF THE CALLS AFTER MINE THAT EVENING.)
M: It’s Drudge live on Christmas Eve — (gives call-in number twice) is the number and we’re just opening the calls up and seeing what we have under our little tree tonight. Carol, Westchester, you’re on the air with Drudge. Hello, Carol?
C: Hello, Matt?
M: Yes, you’re on the air.
C: Yes, merry Christmas, happy new year.
M: Same thing.
C: Yeah, I was just thinking last year we had —
M: We’ll be on the air next week, New Year’s Eve, too.
C: Oh good. Very good. Last year, we had so much of this bogus millennial 2000 crap.
M: Yes, we did.
C: And this year we had nothing. And I was just thinking about —
M: Well, my — oh, such a good point. Because this is the real jump.
C: Oh absolutely. And last year there was so much talk about futurism and Bible prophecy and New Age prophecy. I mean there were a lot of programs on and now you see virtually nothing. There’s something I just want to segue into about the problem over in Israel. A lot of people — well the media won’t certainly won’t mention them. A third of this country — we’re born-again Christians and we believe in Bible prophecy. And the key to Bible prophecy is understanding the state of Israel. And it seems to me that all the signs indicate that we could be on the verge of a very important time spiritually and biblically.
M: Well you could be an excellent Drudge Report editor with that sensibility because I do look at these headlines with the backdrop of a larger story playing out here. I mean if all we are, are headlines and news cycles —
C: And I see nothing. Nothing on any —
M: If all we are, are just these little blips and blurbs, there’s got to be more. There’s got to be a grand design. And you start seeing—you’re right—this anti-Israel stuff is really heating up. Especially in the past, I would say, two or three months. But in the past forty hours, look at Bethlehem this weekend. Deserted. No celebrations there. Just a quick note, if I may. (“NO”) Last year at this time, we were being force-fed this millennium jump, this stuff from Madison Avenue, this stuff that this really is the end of the century, which it wasn’t. The New York Times, which is never wrong, declared 1901 the dawn of a new century. We’ll see what they do in a week or so. We’ll see if they give us a ninety-nine year century. And wouldn’t that be a great summery on their entire century of reporting? That it was inaccurate. That they somehow got it screwed up. They’ve got themselves in a box because I can imagine what they’re going to do for a headline a week from tomorrow. . . .
Q: Mark Russell BellS: “Coast to Coast AM” radio show operatorB: Barbara Simpson, host of “Coast to Coast AM” radio showJ: Joyce Riley, guest on “Coast to Coast AM”P: Pat, caller from OregonM: Michael, caller from Houston
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I CALLED DURING THE FIRST HOUR OPEN LINES PORTION OF THE DECEMBER 27/28, 2000 BROADCAST OF “COAST TO COAST AM.”)
S: Thank you for calling “Coast to Coast AM.” How are you doing?
Q: Very good.
S: Good. Question or comment for Joyce Riley?
Q: Yes, I do.
S: Okay. Just turn off the radio and listen to the show through the phone. When Barbara calls for the wild card line, you’ll be on the air.
Q: Thank you.
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B: . . . a series of six shots over a period of time that has caused in too many people, in my opinion, severe medical problems; some minor, some extremely severe requiring hospitalization. And, again, as with the Gulf War Syndrome, the military, the Pentagon, the Department of Defense — the government is denying that, A, it exists, refusing to recognize it and, in fact, if anybody in the military refuses to have the shot and there have been any number — far more than the government is reporting, by the way, who refuse to have the shot or continue the shots after they’ve had one or two, that they are facing court martial. Very, very serious. In fact, “60 Minutes” did a whole segment on one of the men from back east which was surprising to many people because at least it gave a pretty good hearing, pretty fair hearing to what the situation is. It’s another on of those instances where you have a very strange situation going on. Of course, along with that is the problem with the manufacturer of the vaccine getting approval for their procedures not passing FDA inspection and then you get back into, “Sorry folks” — get back into the politics of it of who’s the man on the board of directors and his connection with the Defense Department and it just starts getting really scummy in there. And we’ll talk about that. It’s all fact. Not making it up. This is real life and it’s not partisan either. It’s just what is. So we will continue with that and, of course, we’ll be taking your calls as well with Joyce Riley. I’m Barbara Simpson on “Coast to Coast AM.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER AGAIN UPON HEARING BARBARA SIMPSON PARTICIPATING IN ONE OF THE COMMERCIALS.)
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B: My guest is Joyce Riley. I’m Barbara Simpson on “Coast to Coast AM.” Joyce, I was mentioning the anthrax vaccine. What can you add to that situation?
J: Well the anthrax issue is I think a set-up situation. Let me explain what I mean by that. The Department of Defense originally said that they were going to give this shot to 2.4 million people, knowing full well that the anthrax vaccine may have been a cause of the Gulf War illness. They knew that. It’s documented in Senate Report 103-97 but they went ahead and decided to do it anyway. Along comes this Michigan Biologic plant and its individual who was put in a high place in that position there of ownership was Rear Admiral William Crowe, who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1989 — is given a very good favorable position and when he takes over, the price of the anthrax vaccine triples. The Department of Defense then says that they’re going to make it there and give it; however, they later have to stop giving it because there is not enough that is able to be made by the plant. So Ken Bacon comes forward and says, ‘We’ll we’re going to have to stop giving the anthrax vaccine for a while because they can’t keep up with the supplies.’ Well that wasn’t true. The Department of Defense failed to tell you that in 1997 BioPort failed the inspection of that plant by the FDA. In 1998 they failed the inspection. In 1999 they were shut down. So there’s a lot more going on. There’s a criminal investigation going on with that plant also. There’s a lot of factors people are not aware of.
B: Let me just — before the ‘for instance,’ Michigan Biologic is the only company that makes the anthrax vaccine that was required for 2.4 million people. So that’s a pretty nice contract for them. The fact that they did not pass the FDA inspections and the plant was shut down, the lawsuit — doesn’t that have to do with one of their employees who is alleged to have died from exposure to the vaccine?
J: Well there are several issues that are being investigated. That’s one of them. One of their employees did die as a result of the use of the vaccine and that was determined by the forensic examination. But you see normally you would say, “Well if a plant can’t pass an inspection you just have somebody else make the vaccine. Oh no, not the Department of Defense. Not with their little brainchild, this Michigan Biologic. And, to make matters worse, eleven lots of 300,000 units each — or 300,000 times 11 doses of the vaccine have been quarantined. They were not able to be used. In fact, if you want to see more about this. All this — the inspection reports are available and they’re at the website http://www.anthraxvaccine.org. That’s Dr. Meryl Nass’ website. It’s an incredible website. And there you will see such things as sublots AV721 and AV744 have been deferred from further use due to unusual results.
B: What does that mean?
J: We don’t know what their definition of unusual results is but we do know, according to Dr. Nass, there have been approximately six deaths now as a result of the anthrax vaccine. And yet we still haven’t seen it being used. Or we haven’t seen the threat but yet we’re losing more people — Major Sonny Bates, who was the pilot that was on “60 Minutes” who quit rather than take the anthrax vaccine, has counted over 200 people in his unit at Dover Air Force Base that became ill as a result of that vaccine. But this information isn’t getting out. Thousands of pilots refused it. And at one point we were about 2,500 pilots short—2,500 pilot slots that were available—because these pilots walked. They were not going to risk a commercial pilot career being lost over having a reaction to this vaccine.
B: Now I want to just clarify for the listeners, my understanding is, is that (if) they have the shot and they had any kind of reaction to it, they would never be able to get a job as a pilot for an airline in civilian life? Is that correct?
J: That’s correct. And that information was on the DoD website. There was an AFA advisory on that very issue. So the pilots are pretty smart and they figured out that they were not going to — or they decided they were not going to destroy a commercial flying position with a possible reaction to this so they just walked. And in some units there were a quarter to a half or the pilots that walked but you never heard this in the media. They never covered the mutiny. And it was, believe me, an anthrax mutiny that has devastated our military. The thinking people got out or they were courtmartialed and so now the Department of Defense is saying, ‘Oh well we’ve decided not to give it to the people in Korea.’ And that was a big issue because the people that were going to Korea were going to be given this vaccine and they were being given an Article 15 or being courtmartialed if they wouldn’t take it. And now they’re saying, ‘Oh never mind. We were just kidding. We’re not going to do it after all.’
B: (Gilda Radner imitation) “Never mind.”
J: That’s right.
B: Yeah, it’s nothing to joke about. Let’s take — go ahead, Joyce.
J: After they’ve destroyed their careers.
B: Yeah, exactly. There’s lots more to talk about but let’s get some callers in on this. We have a first-time caller line person. Hello, there, where are you and what’s your name?
P: Yeah, I’m on the Rogue River.
P: In Oregon.
B: What’s your name?
B: Pat. Hi, Pat. Go ahead.
P: Hi. I wanted to ask Miss Simpson if she’s aware of an organization called the One World Order Trilateral Commission.
B: Of course.
P: Okay. That website — somebody ought to give the public that. It talks to everything — backs up everything she’s talking about.
B: Okay, well do —
P: And the website —
B: — you have a question for Joyce in particular? I’d rather not give out a website until we check it out ourselves.
P: Well can I — how can I give it to you?
B: Well I’ll tell you what we’ll do. When we’re all done talking with you, we’ll put you on hold and you can give it to my producer and then we’ll check it.
B: It’s not that I don’t want to give it out but I like to look at it first.
P: Yeah, it was put together by two former United Nation officials, three former NATO officials who all turned turncoat and are whistle-blowers.
P: And —
B: Alright. I’ll tell you what I’ll — we’ll pull you on hold. Will, if you will do that and get the website from Pat and then we’ll check it out and I’ll certainly mention it on the air. Thank you very much, Pat. I appreciate that. Let’s go to our wild card line. (BEEP) Good morning.
Q: Hi, Barbara and hi, Joyce. This is (“MARK”) Mark in Southern California.
B: Hello, Mark.
Q: And I had a comment and question. After the last time you were on, I asked a friend who was a (Gulf War) vet about his file because he’s non-symptomatic and he said that it had been lost, which was confirming what you were saying about the misplaced or destroyed files.
Q: And so, of course, thank you for the freedom of speech and I’m glad that you will not be silenced. I think the fundamental problem here is that people don’t take responsibility. They just say, “Well I’m following orders.” So and that’s how they get around it. I, myself, am like you and I’ve documented the problem with this thought at my website testament.org and I’ve tried to show the karmic difficulties with that. But my question is tonight — who are the vets saying set those fires?
J: (small laugh) Well it’s a unit within the military that has a primary mission of seeking out and obtaining any documents that are outstanding regarding the Gulf War and I’d rather not say at this point, if you don’t mind.
Q: (off air) Is that the oil well fires?
B: Okay, thank you. I — Joyce, I would suspect from the allusions that you’ve made that you have had threats against you too. But they haven’t silenced you. How — where do you get your bravery from?
J: Oh, I tell you — I mean that once you talk to these sick Gulf War veterans (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED ON THE RADIO AND BEGAN RECORDING FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS FROM THE BROADCAST YET THE TRANSMISSION FROM SAN DIEGO WAS POOR WITH MUCH STATIC.)
J: . . . They can’t help it. So many of them are veterans. They cannot fend for themselves. I’ll tell you what. I’m doing this as a nurse and I was taught to do this as a nurse all my life and to take care of people whether they were in the military or not in the military. I mean being a flight nurse is what I always wanted to do and I said I would take care of these vets whether they’re — I’m in the military or out of the miliary, my job is to tell the truth and I think every human being has that desire and goal to want to do the right thing. And that’s all I’m doing right now is trying to get the American public to realize how serious this is. I will tell you Secretary of Defense William Cohen is guilty as sin.
B: Of what?
J: Of participating in the demise of our military. I will tell you that there is a Dr. Steven Joseph who is — we will hold totally accountable these people for what they have done. I mean this — these are crimes against humanity. . . . . We talk about hate crimes but we talk about being a loving nation. My God, this is the worst hate crime you have ever done, America, by subjecting your military people to being kicked to the side of the curb like dead animals. We’ve got these guys living in their cars with their five-year-old kids right now. They have no compensation, no way to make a living. This is cruel.
B: Joyce, if the spouses can get the Gulf War Syndrome and the children can get it through either being born or just being in a family, can medical people treating them or people working around them contract it as well? I mean do we know that much about how it spreads?
J: Oh we do and, in fact, they have received — they have obtained the disease, gotten the disease. Dr. Larry Goss is a perfect example who—of Walters, Oklahoma—is a physician who bought the company line, believed that the V.A. was telling the truth and these vets were all just imagining this until he got the illness. And he was treating the vets on a . . . there at Fort Phil and he came forward. And he’s now exposing it. He’s now treating Gulf War veterans and he has taken a lot of heat. And he is an incredible physician I have a tremendous amount of respect for. But yes, they are getting the disease. Nurses are getting the disease now. Fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue is spreading like wild fire in this country and you don’t see anybody alerted over this. You don’t see some alarm going up and trying to figure out where it’s coming from.
B: I found out about just over the last two weeks two people that I know who have that. Fibromyalgia.
J: It is very, very common and it’s very common . . . what is the correlation? Why do we have people that have . . . everybody’s heard about it now but nobody heard about it before 1990.
B: That’s true.
J: And chronic fatigue is just rampant. 90% of the Gulf War veterans have now been diagnosed with fibromyalgia/chronic fatigue. And these are basically . . . diagnoses . . . we don’t know what else (“YOU DON’T KN”) to call it.
B: Exactly. That’s the prob(lem) — they don’t know what it is and they don’t know how to treat it. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS PORTION OF THE BROADCAST ENDED WITH SUCCESSIVE COMMERCIALS BY ROSS MITCHELL AND MIKE SIEGEL FOR THE AFTER DARK NEWSLETTER.)
Q: Let’s see what she says at the beginning of the show after the commercials after she’s thought about my little comment. If she has.
B: And this is Barbara Simpson with you on “Coast to Coast AM.” We’re talking with Joyce Riley about the situation with the anthrax vaccine with Gulf War Syndrome with the military and what’s happening and why. I do want to mention also to you though if you are not a subscriber to the After Dark Newsletter you really do — you just really do have to have a subscription. The January edition is out. I’m looking at it and it’s just fascinating. First of all, the photography is unbelievable. The pictures on the covers are worth the price of the subscription but it’s what you get inside that’s great. There’s quickening news, a terrific article about Edgar Cayce, about remote viewing, all the people involved in that, and their results. Are they any good? Well we find out. Interdimensional beings and TV in ancient Egypt and lots, lots more. All you need to do is call one phone number and you can get a subscription. It’s just $39.95 a year. (gives number twice) Let’s go to our east of the Rockies line and take a call from there. Good morning.
M: Good morning. Hello.
B: How are you? What is your name and where are you?
M: I’m Michael and I’m from Houston, Texas. . . .
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Q: (speaking into tape recorder) . . . and she said some comments later in the show which might have been meant for me even though she made it sound like it was meant for the current guest but I think it might’ve been really meant for me. So they’re not going to have me on the show obviously unless something changes. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: FOLLOWING ARE EXCERPTS FROM THE PROGRAM THAT I RECORDED FROM THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE SHOW AT HTTP://WWW.COASTTOCOASTAM.COM. PAUSES IN THIS PORTION ARE DUE TO ARCHIVE REBUFFERING.)
J: . . . tell you we’ve just learned that they’re doing another vaccine trial called the — I believe it’s the Korean Hemorrhagic Virus vaccine trial and there’s another hemorrhagic vaccine trial that was being done in Bosnia: the Japanese Encephalitis vaccine. And they took them over to Bosnia to do this test because it could not be done in the United States. The vaccine was not approved here. So we’re using our military literally as front line guinea pigs. And Bill Clinton signed an executive order in October of 1999 that says basically that if the DoD or the President orders any drug to be given any time, whether it’s experimental or not, the individual in the military has no right to refuse it. So we have officially overturned the Nuremberg Code. We have made our military experimental guinea pigs and we are now allowing the military to benefit from proprietary pharmaceutical companies experiments. Now anybody who’s been in the military knows that you get ten, twenty, thirty, forty vaccines that are not necessary. They don’t know why they’re getting them. They’re not documented in the record and probably if the truth were known the majority of them are some form of experimental vaccine.
B: Now are they doing that because somebody’s making money on the side? Are they doing it because it’s a relatively cheap and easy for the drug companies to get this testing done and not have to go through the FDA? Are they doing it because — you used the word before ‘traitors’ — because of the traitors in our government who are selling us out? Or is it sort of a combination of all of that because there are different levels of this.
J: Well I don’t think it has anything to do with traitors. I think it has to do with the fact that you cannot get a large experimental group of people that will subject themselves to unknown vaccine trials over and over and over again. And you see the military — the reason I believe they use the military for the anti-AIDS vaccine is because they know our social security numbers. Those people are going to follow us from cradle to grave and you won’t be able to find out any vaccine or any response to that vaccine or if they do sero-convert positive to AIDS in their lifetime you’re going to know about it because military people can be tracked very easily. So I think it boils down to be, ‘Well hey this is a good place to do the experiment and nobody wants to volunteer for the primary trials on these things unless they’re absolutely crazy or so desperate for money. I think that’s why they’re using the military people. Now we were able to get a senate report and this senate report was never to see the light of day. There were only thirty copies of it released and it’s in its entirety on our website, by the way, at http://www.gulfwarvets.com. It’s senate report 103- — I’ll find the number here in a second. And it basically says that the United States government has utilized our military in experiments for the past fifty years without their consent. It’s senate report 103-97 and it was released in 1994. And listen to the first statement in the whole thing.
B: I’ll tell you what. Save it right there. When we come back I want to hear that first statement in senate report 103-97 having to do with the United States acknowledging that they’ve used our troops for experimentation. Is that what they wanted when they joined the military? Is that what you want for your son or daughter when they decide to put on a uniform of this country? I don’t think so, folks. I don’t think so. It’s not what I’d want for my child or my husband or me. Or, in fact, anybody. Any American citizen. I’m Barbara Simpson on “Coast to Coast AM.”
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B: . . . before the bottom of the hour, you were telling us about this senate report 103-97 which was released I believe you said in 1994. What was that and what does it say?
J: It is a report that was never supposed to see the light of day. The first statement is: “During the last 50, hundreds of thousands of military personnel have been involved in human experimentation and other intentional exposures conducted by the Department of Defense, often without the service members’ knowledge or consent.” This is an admission, Barbara, that the DoD has used its military as a front line experimental group. Listen to this section then here. There are several admissions that they make. Number one: for at least fifty years, the DoD intentionally exposed military personnel in secret to dangerous substances. Two: they repeatedly failed to comply with required ethical standard by using human subjects. DoD incorrectly claims that since the goal was treatment the use of investigational drugs was not researched. And it goes on and on and basically admits that all of the things that the DoD has been doing that I’ve been talking about were found to be accurate in here. Now this is a senate report, like I said, that was never to see the light of day.
B: Who did the report?
J: It was done by John D. Rockefeller (IV, West Virginia, Chairman) on the Committee on Veterans’ Affairs. The only reason we got a copy of this is because we actually got a committee print and it does says “committee print” on it because they never did want this to be released. And those people that sat on this panel that know full well everything I’m telling you: Frank Murkowski of Alaska, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, Alan K. Simpson (Wyoming), Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, Dennis DeConcini (Arizona), Bob Graham (Florida), Ben Nighthorse Campbell (Colorado) and Thomas Daschle (South Carolina). (Also George Mitchell of Maine, Daniel Akaka of Hawaii and James Jeffords of Vermont.) These people know what’s going on so for me to tell you that this is happening and that we have a U.S. Senate and House of Representatives that does not want to get involved in this. Believe me, it’s true. They know full well what’s happening. They’ve had ten years to get involved in this. They have done nothing. They have not protected their constituents and now we’ve got dying Gulf War veterans. In fact, in senate report 103-97 it states our troops are not just sick, they are dying.
B: You mentioned before this business of testing on troops. Do they sign anything when they join the military that says, ‘Hey you can do anything you want to me.’
J: Absolutely not. In fact, that is a real misunderstanding that supposedly when you join the military you lose your rights. That is not true. When you join the military, you still have your rights. You are still have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as well as the Nuremberg Code. But the military in their arrogance and without our knowledge—like you were saying, what about your child, what about your grandchild?—without our knowledge was using the military people as the experimental playground. Now another one we just found out about — this is further back a few years but we’ve just learned about another experiment that was done in the navy on thousands and thousands of men and I got the report from the undersecretary of health in which they talk about the operation that was done aboard ship and the operations were called Operation Autumn Gold, Operation Copperhead, Eager Bell, Flower Drum, Fearless Johnny, Operation Half Note, Purple Sage. And it was the use, Barbara, of biological and chemical agents sprayed on ships to see what their response would be in these military people. Now this is going to be on our website at gulfwarvets.com. I just got a copy of it today. But if you were on these ships in nineteen sixty — (“EIGH” or “A”) early 1960s, they want you to come forward and let them examine you. If you were —
B: Are they looking — actually sending our word for people who were on board specific ships?
J: I don’t know if they’re doing it or not. They’re saying they’re doing it but I don’t know if they are or not. But these are the ships: the U.S.S. Carpenter, the U.S.S. George Eastman, U.S.S. Granville Hall, U.S.S. Howell, and the U.S.S. Navarro, U.S.S. Tioga County. Now those are a few of the ships. And what they do is they want these men to all come forward, go through this “examination.” But do they want to find out what’s wrong with them? I don’t think so. Do they want to treat them? I don’t think so. What they want is to continue their experiment. Because what we have been learning, and this is a real painful lesson, is that the purpose of the V.A. is, though it is the most costly, biggest money loser that the government has, they have to continue the V.A. system. You know that the military’s gone to tri-care. They’ve gone to HMOs. But not the V.A. system. Because that’s how they continue their experiment. That’s how they follow what they did twenty and thirty years ago as to the results of it today. And so they want all these people to come forward. It’s called Project SHAD. It was Project Shipboard Hazard And Defense. And it was really basically disbursing saran and VX gas. They disbursed something called bacillus globigii, which we’ll talk about later, and zinc cadmimum sulfide on these men. Several of them were in gown, gloves and protected. And they were the people that knew what was going on. And the rest of these guys thought it was some kind of just — oh it was a contamination evacuation; how fast can you decontaminate this ship-type of operation when in reality they were being sprayed with real things. And now they’re sick and CBS News recently released this story and our military is coming forward. And I guarantee you that if you opened up the phone lines right now to the sick Gulf War veterans who knew what happened during the Gulf War, you would absolutely be shocked because they’re going to tell you things like there were nuclear weapons over there, there were biological weapons over there, there were chemical weapons over there, there were scud missiles that landed with biological agents in them. They’re going to tell you what happened. And maybe some of them will even call you and tell you who — and I’m not going to go any further than this — but tell you who really started those oil well fires over there. There’s a lot this country does not know about what happened during the Gulf War and why it was really stopped. And until we start holding people accountable, we’re never going to make any progress. For instance, let me remind everybody that the Tuskegee Survey in which they watched 399 black men die when they had a treatment for syphilis; they told them they were treating them for syphilis, and the U.S. Department of Public Service/Public Health allowed them to die. Guess where that was done? The Tuskegee V.A. The military has been behind many of these experiments. They did some of the first AIDS research ever in this country. Why would the military be involved in AIDS research? Could it be because some of the co-factors of AIDS and perhaps some of the documents lead us to believe that it is a synthetic biological agent that was appropriated in 1969 — the $10 million to make it — appropriated in 1969 for the year 1970. So a lot of people are coming forward now. There has been a lawsuit, a massive lawsuit filed against the Department of Defense/Secretary of Defense William Cohen by an attorney who found out that AIDS he believes is man-made. (“SO”) Where do we go from here? When are we going to hold these people accountable? Why weren’t the people at Tuskegee held accountable? Why did we let President Clinton cross that stage and apologize on behalf of America, which we didn’t do anything to those black people — let him apologize? He should have brought a list of indictments of people who were going to spend the rest of their natural lives in prison for what they did to those people. The disease progressed. Think about that. We allowed syphilis to progress for all those years in those states where maybe it would’ve been eliminated if they had done the right thing. But they wanted the disease to continue.
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Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So now it’s time once again to see—I’m sure they did—if, in fact, my website address was edited out of the archive edition.
B: . . . Let’s go to our wild card line. Good morning.
Q: Hi, Barbara and hi, Joyce. This is (“MARK”) Mark in Southern California.
B: Hello, Mark.
Q: And I had a comment and question. After the last time you were on, I asked a friend who was a vet about his file because he’s non-symptomatic and he said that it had been lost, which was confirming what you were saying about the misplaced or destroyed files.
Q: And so, of course, thank you for the freedom of speech and I’m glad that you will not be silenced. I think the fundamental problem here is that people don’t take responsibility. They just say, “Well I’m following orders.” So and that’s how they get to show the karmic difficulties with that. But my question is tonight — who are the vets saying set those fires?
J: (small laugh) Well it’s a unit within the military that has a primary mission of seeking out and obtaining any documents that are outstanding . . .
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M: . . . newsgroups that we can get on to find out more information on this?
J: The Department of Defense has a website called Gulf Link and you can go to that website. There’s good documentation on there also. You can go to ngwrc.org and we’ve got a lot of links on our website so you can try those. And I — a lot of — I have been told now that a lot of the websites are going to be closing down because certain Gulf War veterans groups that are 501C organizations have been told to cool it over the next four years and to start winding down. Our website will not be going down and we will not be stopping. In fact, we’re only going to be more assertive in what we have to say as a result of who’s going to be taking over in power.
B: Michael, thank you for your question. Joyce, just quickly before we go to the break, 501C3 is a non-profit. Who’s telling them to cool it for the next four years?
J: Well the word that I am getting is that — the word on the street is that everybody who has a 501C designation needs to stop doing what they’re doing with respect to trying to get the DoD to come forward and tell the truth because they’re not going to be allowed to do that. I don’t know who is telling them. I’ve not been able to find that — find out who is telling them to do that but I would suspect that it would come down through some of the quasi-veterans organizations that are really fronts for the Department of Defense.
B: But that means that they’re using the IRS as a weapon against a non-profit.
J: Well I think what they’re saying is — a lot of these 501C organizations have been compromised by the DoD anyway. I mean they’ve all been infiltrated to a certain extent and that’s why we are not a 501 organization. But they’re just being told that it is not going to be politically appropriate for them to be saying these things —
B: (small laugh)
J: — over the next four years.
B: That means they’ll lose their non-profit status.
J: You’ve got it.
B: I’m Barbara Simpson. We’re talking to Joyce Riley — got to look at the truth — talking to Joyce Riley . . .
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B: . . . Joyce?
J: I have not contacted Jesse Jackson personally. I have been told that other people have contacted him. People have contacted Billy Graham. People have contacted — I mean I cannot tell you the people who’ve been contacted and which there has been no response. General Schwarzkopf was contacted and his response was there was no cover-up and nobody did anything wrong and there’s no Gulf War illness. General Powell — he is — I am sorry they are — Schwarzkopf and Powell are now looked upon as traitors by their men and they will openly state that. They have no respect for them because a commander looks out for their men. And they have gone on to bigger and better things, signing books and making money and Colin Powell’s America’s Promise, in which he’s taking care of all these other little children while the Gulf War veterans’ children are going wanting. It’s just despicable. I will tell you it is — it’s unforgivable.
B: And he’s playing a major role in the upcoming Bush administration.
J: That’s right. And I will tell you that the vets have no respect for George W. nor for Colin Powell and especially Dick Cheney. And those of you who’ve looked into the war crimes charges that were levied by former attorney general — oh I can’t think of his name right now.
B: Ramsey Clark.
J: Ramsey Clark — thank you.
B: You’re welcome.
J: They’s very serious about this. Those are war criminals that should not be holding those offices. (bumper music in background) And I’ll answer the question about going back to Iraq later.
B: Okay, when we come back. We’ll do it at the top of the hour and we will also be taking more of your calls right here. Controversial subject but something we need to know about on “Coast to Coast AM.” My name is Barbara Simpson. Stay with us.
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J: . . . there was something like a hundred thousand body bags ordered. There was a belief that Gulf War veterans would not come back alive, that there would be a much higher death toll than there was, which is why we were told that a lot of these experiments were allowed to be done is because they did not figure they would come back alive, anyway. That’s the answer to the body bag issue and yes, that is correct. The second one with regard to George W Bush — absolutely, there is no one in the military — in the Gulf War veteran arena that I know of that has any respect for that man because of his father. Because his father has allowed the demise of this military without him doing anything to tell what really happened. And I include in that Schwarzkopf, Powell, Cheney and they were found to be guilty of nineteen charges of war crimes. And whether or not it was an international war crimes tribunal or what — regardless of who did it, that stands that there were a lot of atrocities that went on during this time and how can we possibly respect this man? He is not even treated the Gulf War veterans of Texas. He has, in my estimation, been most disrespectful to the vets that I’ve talked to in the Texas area that have written him. Why are we supposed to respect this man? I mean I don’t think there’s anybody who believes that he was the best candidate or that Gore was the best candidate. People know they’re the agenda that were chosen for this position and so they’re in there now and we’re going to have to figure out what we’re going to do about it. But I want to mention something real important. Last April, I told the world that I knew that George Bush was going — George W. was going to get the election because the Department of Defense announced that they were going to close down the Gulf War Investigating Committee. Now Barbara this is incredibly important because they had been given a charter by — until the year 2005 that they were supposed to be functioning.
J: But as of April, all of a sudden this big notice comes out, ‘We’re going to shut down the Gulf War Investigating Committee.’ Well we all knew why. We knew that George W. was coming in and they didn’t want his father embarrassed. So when did this report come out? Just before the end of the year and George W. takes over. This whole thing is orchestrated. It is an agenda and it’s an absolute abomination to everything this country stands for. . . .
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B: . . . so thank you very much for your compliments to Joyce. I know she appreciates it and, you know, it takes a brave person to keep hitting . . . (“YOUR”) truth because it’s hard to get out. Especially when the establishment’s against you and it certainly appears as though it is. I’m Barbara Simpson on “Coast to Coast AM.” Stay with us.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING WAS CUT AND PASTED FROM THE AGWVA BULLETIN BOARD AT HTTP://WWW.GULFWARVETS.COM UNDER THE HEADING “QUESTIONS FOR JOYCE” AND ITALICIZED. MY POST HAS THE HEADING “FOLLOWING UP MY C2C RADIO CALL.”)posted February 12, 2001 21:27
Joyce, you told me a unit within the military that has a primary mission of seeking out and obtaining any documents that are outstanding regarding the Gulf War was the source for new information about the Kuwait oil well fires. I would still like to find out more details about this. Also, I would like to learn which of your achievements are you most proud.
IP: LoggedJOYCE RILEYAdministratorposted February 25, 2001 23:08
I don’t think it would be appropriate to discuss this on the board until I have all the info we need. We are still waiting for more info on “WHO started and How they started the oil well fires.
You asked what accomplishments I am most proud of? Thanks for asking, I’m not sure why but here goes…..
1. I am most proud of having a wonderful, upstanding son who is very special to me.
2. I am very proud of my husband who has been by my side through all of this and who wrote the song dedicated to the GW vets entitled: “Where are the Voices that Care?” He has traveled many weeks and months across this country to visit vets and never complained.
3. I am proud that for whatever reason, I will not back down to injustice. I fear no earthly man, only my Heavenly Father. With my last dying breath I will be telling the truth about the souless individuals who have perpatrated these acts on our veterans.
4. I am proud that still…I get a tear when I see the flag, hear God Bless America or Off we go into the Wild Blue Yonder. No matter what these inhuman individuals have done, it does not change the love I have for my God, My Country, my Liberty, my family and a veteran.
Thanks for asking. Joyce Q: Mark Russell BellS: “Coast to Coast AM” radio show operatorI: Ian Punnett, host of “Coast to Coast AM” radio showJ: Jason Walker, USA Radio Network news commentatorM: caller from Memphis, Tennessee
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS A CALLER DURING THE NEW YEAR’S EVE 2000 “COAST TO COAST AM.”)
S: “Coast to Coast.” Can you hold?
Q: Yes, I can.
I: . . . that you’ve already seen. There’s no way of predicting where the show’s going to go from minute to minute. That’s the fun of this on New Year’s Eve on “Coast to Coast AM.” My name’s Ian Punnett. (commercial bumper) ‘Know there’s a lot of people who are thinking about how they’re going to live a better year in the year 2001 and they’re leaving out the obvious. They’re leaving out the things which they could be doing that could be making their life a lot easier. I mean those little naggy —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: JUST AS I MOVED AWAY FROM THE TELEPHONE MOMENTARILY TO GET SOMETHING, THE OPERATOR RETURNED SO I HADN’T HEARD WHAT SHE HAD SAID.)
S: (faint) . . . calling in for Ian Punnett?
S: Yes. (“YES”)
Q: My name is Mark.
S: Okay. And you are calling in for Ian Punnett?
Q: That’s right.
S: Okay, good. You made it through on our wild card line so when Ian asks for wild, you’ll be on the air and if your radio’s on just be sure to turn it down. We’re on a delay system.
S: Great. Thanks for calling.
I: . . . I don’t have a prostate problem but if I did, I’ll know it on Wednesday. Maybe you already know. The first symptom is having to get up in the middle of the night a lot. Then there’s also the diminished libido, which some people would rather deny to say “Well I’m tired” instead of having to address it. But all of these can be helped with Dr. Teplisky’s incredible Super Prostrate Formula. . . .
J: . . . Dr. Jen Taylor of McLean’s Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts says far too many people make too many goals . . . Mexico’s Popocatepetl is doing more rumbling just hours after thousands of residents were allowed to return to their home. Experts say North America’s second-tallest volcano could still have a major eruption. On Wall Street in 2000 the Dow was off 6.2% at 10,786. Nasdaq lost nearly 40%, closing the year at 2,470. Jason Walker with news on the USA Radio Network.
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I: Whether it’s for a New Year’s resolution, whether it is for a prediction for the year 2001 or just your own comment, these are open lines for the whole show. It’s part of the New Year’s Eve tradition on “Coast to Coast AM” and so far we’ve heard that chemtrails will be exposed once and for all; another caller from Boesman, Montana saying people will be more miserable in the year 2001; China will invade the mainland of America probably on a Sunday, probably during Tet, which would pretty much peg it toward the end of 2001. There will also be a major earthquake beginning at the foot of Mount Popo and heading all the way up to Canada and having a devastating effect on the areas west of the San Andreas fault. Whichever way you’re going to go with your prediction or you comment is coming up on “Coast to Coast AM” . . . Man, he’s (Ross Mitchell) just got the greatest voice. Next to him, I sound like Andy Hardy. (“NO”) Anyway, it’s been a pleasure so far, one hour into the new year for many of us. For some, I guess the new year not quite yet. Before the show’s over, everybody will have rolled over into the year 2001, the official real beginning — both of the new century and of the new millennium. And let’s make it a millennium to remember. You’ve heard all the numbers and we hope you get through during the course of this show. It’s all open lines for 2001 predictions and comments and questions and solutions and resolutions. And if you were listening to your local newscast, you might have heard it. I head it on the one that we carry on this show. Some of the stations carry their own newscast but it is already still rumbling — Mount Popo. Some of these predictions that we’ve heard so far are already off to a good start (in the) year 2001. And let’s go to the wild card line . . . (BEEP) . . . “Coast to Coast AM.” Good morning. Who’s this?
Q: Hi, this is Mark in Los Angeles.
I: And the not quite happy new year for you.
Q: No. So I’ve been thinking about my millennial prediction and my hopes for the new millennium.
I: And fill us in.
Q: I would like to refer (to) the cinema in making my millennial prediction.
Q: Of course — all forms of creativity coming from that unlimited Consciousness so there can be some quite prophetic things in films. I remember when “2001” came out, there was that name ‘Chandra’ in the movie and they — someone checked at the University of Illinois and found that there really was someone on the faculty there with that name.
I: Oh really?
Q: That’s right. So — there was an article about this by Michaela Williams and it’s in that book about The Making of Kubrick’s 2001. And she asked Arthur C. Clarke and he commented that ” . . . there is a world apart from what we see, that there is ESP, you know, and stuff like that, and that the person who wrote the screenplay was in contact with me in another world.” So my millennial prediction refers to a very prophetic scene in what I think is the last movie I ever saw. And that’s the movie “Michael” wherein the Angel is —
I: With John Travolta.
Q: That’s right. Even though I think that — at the end of that movie he’s shown with Jean Stapleton so I think the Angel in that movie really is more than just the one individual. It’s really shown to be a multiplicity of events and people. But, anyway, the Angel is shown residing in a Midwestern Town and the scene I’m referring to is the one where the Angel destroys the bank. Early on. Do you remember that scene?
I: I vaguely do. It’s been a while since I’ve seen it.
Q: Right. So just how the Angel accomplishes the task will depend on how we will cooperate. For me, as one who has gone from a large income to a small one I can tell you that most of the things money can buy are detrimental, I think, to the quality of life. So that would be my prediction. I also have a hope for the new year and that’s that the media stops fiddling while Rome burns in terms of this rampant materialism when there are greater spiritual truths to be shared.
I: Well that’s interesting. I especially want to recommend that if anybody hasn’t seen it — to rent “2001.” Now that we are in “2001,” I think it takes on a new significance of the hope of the writer of — in a sense where we would be by the time that this point in our history had come about. And yet at the same time how interesting it was that when “2001” was originally shown on American screens that it really seemed like it was possible that we would be doing all of those things. And in light of the setbacks with Mir and some of the issues involving international cooperation in space, it really makes you realize how far we’ve got to go yet with Earthly cooperation before we can ever fully realize the hopeful predictions of “2001.” That interesting comment too about the professor. I was reminded of—and this will actually all tie-in weirdly together—Roger Ebert said recently — I saw the quote — that when the movie came out he said there’s never been a movie like this before. And he said with some hindsight that there’s never been a movie like it since either. And that really is the truth for “2001.” If you’ve never seen it, it’ll always be Kubrick’s masterpiece for me although I like much of his other work. It’s just an amazing pace for a movie. They would never allow a movie like that to be made.
Q: (off air) And, Ian, isn’t that curious about the name ‘Hal’ being in ‘Michael’?
[2021 UPDATE: SOON AFTERWARD I REGRETTED HAVING MENTIONED THIS ANAGRAM. OVER THE YEARS, MY PERCEPTIONS HAVE EVOLVED ABOUT 'GOD' HAVING 'LAWS' OF CONDUCT AND HUMAN KNOWLEDGE OF SUCH. CONSIDERING SOME OF MY OWN EXPERIENCES SUCH AS AT LEAST TWO AVOIDED FREEWAY INJURIES UNDER POTENTIALLY MIRACULOUS CIRCUMSTANCES, 'WHO CAN KNOW IF THERE CAN BE EXCEPTIONS TO GOD'S LAWS AND/OR LAWS FOR EVERY EXCEPTION.']
I: Certainly not the studios wouldn’t. Because it’s (or “JESUS”) so slow and yet it’s so interesting. So — and to tie that back in too — Roger Ebert went to the University of Illinois. So I don’t know whether that was a — and I. So did I. So there’s a big U of I connection there. But thank you very much and it’s a good reminder too on something that we talked about a few Sundays ago when there was a replay of the Dead Sea Scrolls is how ancient that thesis is? That the more you go after material things the harder it is to find spiritual? I know you’ve heard it before in different forms but the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls referred to the seekers of the smooth things as the people who would find it hardest to achieve any type of spiritual awareness. The seekers of smooth things. First time caller line on “Coast to Coast AM,” welcome to the year 2001. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING CALLER PLAYED A TAPE EXCERPT FROM THE DEC. 3, 1997 SHOW FEATURING MALACHI MARTIN COMMENTING, “I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM [THE] POINT OF VIEW OF EXPERIENCE. I WAS A CHAPLAIN IN — TO THE U.S. AIR FORCE . . .” LATER, JUST AS I MOVED AWAY FROM THE TELEPHONE MOMENTARILY TO GET SOMETHING, THE OPERATOR RETURNED SO I HADN’T HEARD WHAT SHE HAD SAID [TO EXPLAIN MY HAVING SAID "HELLO?" AT THAT MOMENT].)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE [2003 ADDITION]: I LISTENED TO A TAPE OF THE ORIGINAL MALACHAI MARTIN BROADCAST AND THIS SOURCE SOUNDED CLEARER. IT SOUNDED LIKE MARTIN STARTED TO SAY “I[N] AND THEN SAID “TO.” THERE WAS AN ODD INAUDIBLE PORTION OF TAPE WHERE IT SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS STARTING TO SAY “IN TU[RKEY]” AS FOLLOWS: “I CAN ONLY SPEAK FROM [THE] POINT OF VIEW OF EXPERIENCE. I WAS A – A CHAPLAIN I(N) – TO THE U.S. AIR FORCE IN TU . . . [MOMENTARY DEAD AIR PORTION] AND I REMEMBER WE USED TO GO TO THE RADAR DOME. THAT’S BACK IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS OF THE COLD WAR THAT THE – THEY HAD RINGED RUSSIA WITH, IN THE BLACK SEA. AND WELL I WAS ALWAYS DRIVEN BY AIR FORCE OFFICERS AND, BY THE WAY, IT WAS AN 18 BEER TRIP . . .” THE BROADCAST WAS DATED DEC. 3 YET THE YEAR WASN’T SPECIFIED ON THE TAPE I HAD MADE. INTERESTING PORTIONS OF THE INTERVIEW INCLUDED HIS MENTIONING OF THE CONTINUING PEDOPHILIA PROBLEM PLAGUING THE DIOCESES IN THE U.S. AND CANADA AT A TIME WHEN THIS WASN’T GENERALLY KNOWN; THERE WAS EVP CONCERNING LAS VEGAS AS ‘THE DEVIL’S PLAYGROUND’: “YEAH, I – I – THAT I THINK [“NO”] – THAT’S ROMANTICIZING IT”; AND MARTIN MENTIONED “CASES OF POSSESSION WHERE DAMNED SOULS DO SPEAK THROUGH THE DEMON” THAT WERE “VERY, VERY PECULIAR CASES AND VERY CONVOLUTED CASES.”)
I: . . . My favorite present that I got for Christmas was a photograph of my father that I had — my mother had never told me about. It’s a photograph of him taken in Leningrad where they were vacationing. And it was a pose with Father Christmas in some square in Leningrad and it was kind of out of focus and the light was a little odd. And yet, fuzzy or not, just like hearing Father Malachi, memories like that are always worth revisiting. Even if they’re not the best examples of what the work was. It’s just so good to hear his voice and it was no nice to have conversations about Malachi Martin over the last week or so since our guest last week, the producer of “Malachi Martin, God’s Messenger.” Your messages coming up next. We go to open lines 2001 predictions. Your questions, comments, solutions, resolutions and predictions for the year 2000 coming up — sorry, 2001 next on “Coast to Coast AM.” My name’s Ian Punnett.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: EARLIER IN THE PROGRAM, IAN HAD ALSO ASKED FOR PREDICTIONS FOR THE NEW MILLENNIUM AND THAT IS WHAT I ADDRESSED.)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well I might have been a little strong with Ian but I don’t want to be the alternative because I haven’t achieved any results so far that I can tell. The connection here, of course, is that I have heard him comment that he believes the antichrist is the emperor Nero. Of course, any resemblance there may or may not be coincidental. But I kept it very vague and I think the point was clear. I would’ve liked to have the opportunity to bring up my website, of course, but I didn’t have that opportunity. I guess I could’ve also commented further. I did have some other notes. Oh well, all in all, at least I made the main point that I wanted to make. I might also mention that last night Barbara Simpson’s guest was a very commercial numerologist — one of those who has the anagram ‘Satan’ in her name and at one point it sounded like she said Barbara’s maiden name — it sounded to me like she said “Barbara Rhode Allen,” which would be telling or potentially telling as a warning within a name if I heard it correctly. Anyway, I hope Mighael thinks it’s alright — what I said. Today when I was driving I did see a license plate that said ‘gift of’ heart (symbol) meaning love — gift of love. So that was a very nice object to see. I don’t remember exactly how it was spelled but this was right over on Nordhoff. Anyway, I think it’s the Chatsworth area.
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I: You know what I’m going to do? I’m going to give you a little parting wisdom for the new year, the new century, the new millennium. At least, for everybody except Mother Gabriella who won’t have it yet for a few minutes. But I’ll give you some parting wisdom for that coming up in just a second. One of the little quotes here comes from a frame that my father used to keep on his desk and the other from George Bernard Shaw my wife read to me out of a magazine the other day I thought I’d enjoy — east of the Rockies on “Coast to Coast AM” as we go around the country for our last couple of predictions for 2001 for open lines. Good morning. Who’s this?
M: Good morning, sir. Memphis, Tennessee.
I: Glad to have you.
M: Yes, sir. You’ve heard of — you know, we’re in the midst of the Bible Belt here. They call this area/part of the country. Have you heard from the Christian denominations that they’re expecting the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?
I: I haven’t heard 2001.
M: Well —
I: But I mean just the general expectation.
M: Well, sir, have you heard about the 666 from the book of Revelations?
M: We’re supposedly not going to be able to buy or sell or exchange ideas about religion. You remember Cain slew Abel in the field.
I: Uh huh.
M: Well this is the field of religion that is my specialty. If I had twenty minutes on your forum explaining the Christian theology of Emanuel Swedenburg, I could expose false religion in America and save our nation and thus the world.
I: Well Swedenburgian is a very interesting religion and Jesus — I mean Ray. Sorry, I didn’t want to give away your identity. I thank you for calling and making this show the one on which you appear and I think that in the months ahead you can go ahead and write to us and explain to us what you would do on the show. We’re always glad to hear from people when they’re pitching ideas and we would certainly never turn down the opportunity to have the Second Coming on “Coast to Coast AM.”