INTERVIEW — TAPE #54, SIDE #1
Q: Mark Russell Bell
B: Michael Paul Russell (my twin brother in California)
Y: Andy Gevanthor (friend in California)
D: DeVona Cox (minister in California)
L: Gay Luce (founder, Nine Gates School)
H: Obadiah Harris, Ph.D. (of the PRS)
O: Maureen Green (acquaintance at PRS)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well, this tape begins (“UH-HUH”) in a very unusual way because the previous tape I recorded broke as I was putting it into its plastic container. I don’t know if that means (“THAT”) God does not want that to be in the book. I don’t even remember exactly what’s all on there. I remember some things. I just don’t know. So maybe He just wants me to get somebody to put the tape together. So I’ll have to check into that and see if there’s anyone who can splice the tape back together for me. If not, I’m not going to really repeat any of the information. Except just to say that I was just looking at the headlines on the Saturday, January 20th Los Angeles Times and people can create their own parallels from that. (“NO”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER AFTER DROPPING BY MY BROTHER’S HOUSE ON THE WAY HOME FROM THE GYM WHERE I HAD BEEN THINKING THINGS OVER. I HAD BEEN SICK WITH THE FLU ON FRIDAY SO I DIDN’T GO TO THE GYM THAT DAY AS I CUSTOMARILY DO.)
Q: You scared me peeking out like that.
B: (reading the word on my cap) What?
Q: I got this cap (“THESE CAPS”) at Century City mall. Guess how much it cost? And you choose what goes on them yourself.
B: $13.
Q: $14. (“BUT THEY”)
B: That isn’t bad.
Q: They give you (“FIVE LE”) five letters. I chose ‘Mabus.’ (“MABUS”) Here’s your “War of the (“UH-OH” “VISCOTT” “BUBBLE”) Worlds” CD and your (“THE ABBA”) Abba — (“OKAY”) what’s this? “Forty Great Tracks — The Hits Box.” (“NO” “OH THAT’S”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: DR. DAVID VISCOTT PASSED AWAY FROM HEART PROBLEMS WHILE I WAS EDITING THIS BOOK. HE WAS A PSYCHIATRIST AND AUTHOR WHO INTUITIVELY ADVISED CALLERS ABOUT THEIR DILEMMAS ON HIS RADIO AND TV PROGRAMS. I ONCE HEARD HIM BRIEFLY DISCUSS HIS CONCEPT OF GOD AND RECOGNIZED IT AS ONE OF THE BEST AND, PERHAPS, MOST ENLIGHTENED ONES I EVER HEARD. AT THIS POINT IN MY CONVERSATION WITH MY BROTHER, I NOTICE HE HAS A HOLLYWOOD FOREIGN PRESS GOLDEN GLOBES PROGRAMME.)
Q: Can I have one?
B: No. (“I JUST”) I just got it hot off the press.
Q: Okay.
B: But I’ll (“DON’T” “MIKE”) be able to get you one later. (“WHAT”)
Q: You’ll never guess what happened.
B: What?
Q: Michael’s mad at me.
B: Why?
Q: Because I wasn’t entirely honest about something.
B: What?
Q: Last night when you called — (“RIGHT”) you know, I was taping. (“RIGHT”) And you started talking about that comic book I ordered.
B: Right.
Q: So I turned off my tape recorder. (“ACCU” “HELLO”) And then toward the end of this tape (“RIGHT”) He ripped it up. He cut it in two. (“WHAT’S WHAT”)
B: The tape?
Q: Yes. See, I thought it would be (“DEADLINE”) embarrassing that I ordered those (“SHHHHHHHH”) porno comic sample pages — (“BUT THE ISSUE”)
B: That’s right. It’s downstairs. (“COME”)
Q: But the reason why I got it was because — (“YOU KNOW I JUST YOU KNOW”) I very rarely buy porno magazines. (“I MIGHT” “SO YOU’RE”)
B: You’re curious.
Q: Exactly. So I picked up one. (“THAT’S ALRIGHT”) It had an ad for this Hun Comics comic book.
B: That’s what it is. Yeah. (“BUT”)
Q: But so — and James at dinner that night said, “Attila the Hun.”
B: Oh right.
Q: Out of nowhere. Remember? (“SO”) Wouldn’t you think that was like — (“I DON’T THINK”)
B: I don’t know.
Q: Oh, Michael, there’s your name in the programme. Public Relations: Michael Russell. (“LOOKS PRETTY GOOD WAS I”)
Q: It doesn’t even say Rogers & Cowan.
B: I wouldn’t let them.
Q: It just says your name. What does Chris La Monte think about that?
B: Oh, you’re on recording right now.
Q: Of course. You know me. I always record. (“STOP”)
B: Mark, you’re going kk — (“KILL YOURSELF”)
Q: What?
B: — taping all that stuff. (“NO, I HAVE TO BE HON” “I MEAN NO I HAVE”)
Q: Now I have to be — I have to be honest about the comic book now. (“OKAY”) In order to get back into Michael’s good graces.
B: It’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen.
Q: So Michael wants me to be honest about this.
B: Ohhhh. Gross. (“EEEHAW”)
Q: Oh, no. This is so awful. This is awful. (“DID”) What — did you look at this? (“WHAT WOULD YOU LOOK AT”) Do you think this comic book explains my and Michael’s relationship in any way?
B: I hope not. (“OH WELL” “OH” “WELL JUST”) I hope not. (“REAL QUICK”)
Q: What are your impressions of this?
B: It’s smut. (“WHAT”) It’s filth. (“IT’S FILTH”)
Q: But if everything is channeled by God then this is channeled by God too. (“WELL”)
B: It’s alright for those who (“WANT”) like that kind of thing. (“OH”)
Q: Now I’m scared to read it. Should I read this or not?
B: Yes. (“OHHHHHH”)
Q: And (“YEAH”) there was so much other good stuff on that tape too. (“I MEAN”) Like today’s headline stories (“UH-HUH”) were all lost. (“YEAH”) I always talk about the headline stories in the (“L A”) L.A. Times. (“WHY RECORD THE”)
B: But why do you record all this stuff?
Q: Because it’s a documentary life. (“I KNOW BUT YOU COULD” “CALL THEM” “I MEAN”)
B: Who cares?
Q: What do you think about —
B: Who cares about minutia?
Q: — Don Simpson’s death?
B: Well, Paul Bloch (“I KNOW”) came into my office at five o’clock yesterday and said he just got a phone call. (“HE WAS WITH PAUL”) Paul was his publicist.
Q: Right. (“UH-HUH”)
B: He said that — (“HE DIDN’T THINK THERE WAS ANY”) and they think it was natural causes. (telephone rings) Oh, let me get this. Hello? (pause) Well, I just got home. Mark’s here. (“I’VE GOT A COLD” “I’M GOING TO”) I’ve got to take it easy. I have a cold.
Q: I have a cold too. (“I KNOW”) Ask him about the Santa Monica apartment.
B: Mark wants to know about the Santa Monica apartment. (pause — to me) What do you want to know? (“DO YOU THINK HE”)
Q: Do you think I’m going to get it?
B: Do you think he’s going to get it? (to me) Tell him to ask Michael.
Q: Michael who?
B: Michael who?
Q: He doesn’t tell me these things. I keep telling everybody that.
B: That’s the first normal thing he’s heard you say. What?
Q: Has he read Messages From Michael yet? (pause)
B: Tell him that when he heard Michael on the tape that he knew you were quote fooling us all unquote. (“OH”)
Q: Well one — mean — (“I MEAN I THAT WAS WHAT”)
B: “Playing a game?”
Q: I just recorded it that moment. (“WHAT”)
B: “And Michael Russell, your brother, said it.”
Q: What do you mean?
B: Why don’t you talk to him direct? (“NO MICHAEL”)
Q: Okay. Andy?
B: Want me to put it on speakers? (“OR WAIT” “NO”)
Q: No, Michael. Well, yeah. Put it on speakerphone. (“NO” “O”)
B: ‘Kay. (“WHEN”)
Y: Mark? Hello? (“WHOOPS”) Can you hear me?
Q: Yeah.
Y: I’m (“NNNNNNN”) not in the best mood because I don’t feel well but I will tell you that when we were at the Director’s Guild and you claimed — you maintained that voice was your entity, Michael —
Q: He said, “SMART.”
Y: That’s when I realized that you were just — I had felt this all along but that’s when I realized — and I saw the look on your face and I felt the vibes and you know I’m psychic. (“YEAH”) I thought — that’s when I knew that you were just playing a game with us all because that was (“YOUR”) your loving brother. I heard him say it first of all. Then I heard him say it back on the tape. So, don’t give me this crap.
Q: Michael, come here! Michael!
B: (out of the room) What?
Q: Michael, come here.
Y: (laughs)
Q: Did you say “smart” —
Y: Mark!
Q: — at the Directors Guild?
Y: Mark!
B: I can’t remember. I think so.
Y: Mark Russell! Mark Russell!
Q: Yeah? Yeah?
B: I said “Mark” not “SMART.”
Q: No, you can definitely hear it and it’s “SMART.”
Y: Mark Russell, it was your brother Michael and you’re, you know, pushing this thing too far.
Q: I have the tape.
Y: You’re pushing this thing too far. You are deluded. (“UH-HUH”) You think this is what’s happening. You want us to believe it. You’ve convinced yourself.
Q: I have it on tape. (“ON TAPE”)
Y: It’s not on tape. It doesn’t say “SMART” —
Q: I played it for you.
Y: – and it’s not an entity. It’s your fucking brother. Anyway —
Q: Okay, okay. (“WOULD VICK”)
Y: Now with regard to the apartment, have you called anybody at the office?
Q: Not yet. (“YOU’RE GONNA”)
Y: You have to (“UH”) walk in here this week and say hello to them.
Q: Oh, really? When? (“O”) ‘Kay, I will.
Y: Do you remember we had this conversation? (“THEY’RE NOT”) I saw them measuring (“AND HEARD”) and heard them talking about new appliances. What they’re going to do is they’re going to fix up all the apartments and then they’re going to rent them. But you have to walk in there when you’re in Santa Monica on the West Side. (“GO”) And talk to Lucia and try to talk to Lori and tell them you wanted to just stop by and say hello — (“AND YOU’RE”)
Q: Okay.
Y: — sent a letter and you’re a friend of Doris’s.
Q: What day should I come?
Y: Any day you want but don’t talk about fucking entities.
Q: Oh, I won’t.
Y: Okay. How are you besides that?
Q: Oh fine.
Y: Yeah, what’s happening?
Q: Well, I dropped off my book to Sherry Lansing.
Y: I heard about that little episode.
Q: Right.
Y: You didn’t get thrown off the studio lot yet?
Q: No.
Y: Are you going to take care of ‘Dickers’ while Michael’s gone?
Q: How long is he going to be gone? Isn’t James going to be here?
Y: No. James is leaving on Wednesday. (“WE”) And I can’t. (“I MIGHT”) With my back I can’t drive over there. Will you promise me you’ll take — ‘Dickers’ is a holy spirit.
Q: How many days is this, Michael? (“WAAA”)
B: I’m leaving. (“I’LL”) I’ll be back Monday — a week from Monday. I’m leaving Monday. James leaves Wednesday.
Q: Right.
Y: You’ve got to go over Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Q: Oh, that’s okay. I can do that.
Y: And you can ride the bicycle.
Q: Well, no. But it’s on my way home from the gym anyway.
Y: You promise you’ll do it?
Q: Yeah.
Y: Thank you because I love ‘Dickers’ and so do you. And she loves you. (“SURE I LOVE IT”)
Q: Exactly. (“AHHH”)
Y: And I’ll help you get the apartment but you got to take care of ‘Dickers.’
Q: I will.
Y: ‘Kay. (“UH-HUH”) Can I talk to your brother for a second?
Q: Sure.
Y: I can’t hear on the speaker.
Q: Okay.
B: Ohhh.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: MY BROTHER CONTINUES TALKING WITH ANDY ON THE TELEPHONE.)
B: Gene Weed’s the director; Fran LaMaina is the CEO of Dick Clark Productions. (“AND HE”) I’m sure they had somebody (“AT N”) high up at NBC call Fran LaMaina. (“NUH SO NOWGEE” “YES” “BECAUSE THEIR”) They do half their shows at NBC. You know. (pause) “No. Call Gene’s assistant at Dick Clark.” (“AND”) They by-passed me and Aida. (pause) Yeah. (“BUT YOU KNOW”) Gene Weed likes the fact that I’m so strong. I’m sure. (pause) Yeah.
Q: What happened? I (“DIANA”) missed that.
B: (to me) I’ll tell you in a second. (to Andy) Okay let me call you back. (“SO”) I’ve got to go get my dry cleaning before it closes. Well, I’m just seeing Barry. (pause) Yeah. Bye. I’ll call you later.
Q: What happened? (“OH GOOD” “OH YES”)
B: You know, I’ve been yelling at people all week long.
Q: Right.
B: Screaming and yelling. (“AND THEY ALL SAY”)
Q: Oh no.
B: They all say, “Well, if you don’t give me a credential, then Sharon Stone isn’t coming.” So for every conversation I say, “Oh well, we’ll find someone else.” And they don’t know how to react. (“ANYWAY”) Because you have to play hardball with these Bozos.
Q: Right. (“THERE’S”)
B: Anyway, so, I’ve been having fights all week. The culmination was I received a list from NBC. They want to have seven publicists and two photographers in. At the walk-through Friday, they said, “Oh, we want twenty credentials —”
Q: Oh, that’s ridiculous. (“AND THEY WOULD AND” “WOOD”)
B: “— and all access.” So we go into the ballroom and I said, (“I GUESS”) “You don’t understand. Only the producer and the president of HFPA have all access.” (“YEAH” “THEY GO”) “No, we want all twenty.” (“YEAH”) “What if there’s an emergency?” “Okay, well, I’ll try to clear it.” Anyway, so I went to Gene Weed. He said, “Absolutely not.” Anyway, the next phone call I had — the head of publicity at NBC — I said, “Look, Aida said you could have seven. Give me their names and I’ll issue seven credentials.” And they hung up on me, angry.
Q: (laughs) (“I HAD YOU KNOW”)
B: I had to knock myself out — did a brilliant campaign. (“THEY”) The only thing they did was issue a press release incorrectly without checking it and fucked everything up.
Q: So (“YEAH”) guess what my prediction is.
B: What?
Q: “Babe.” “Babe” — right?
B: Well, I hope it’s “The American President.”
Q: Why do you want that to win?
B: Because I liked it better.
Q: And for drama I guess — I don’t really care about drama. (“SEN”)
B: “Sense and Sensibility.”
Q: Yecch. (“CHHHH”)
B: Oh, did you bring me “Pride and Prejudice” on tape?
Q: Of course not, you know that Michael doesn’t let me watch TV.
B: Ohhh.
Q: You know that, don’t you?
B: Michael’s a bore. Tell Michael’s he’s a bore.
Q: No, He’s not a bore. (“NO I’M I’M”)
B: Why don’t you find a flesh and blood person? Instead of a —
Q: He is a flesh and blood person.
B: Have you seen Him?
Q: He’s just in a different dimension.
B: Right. Exactly. Why don’t you find someone in this dimension?
Q: Because we can still make out in different dimensions.
B: In your imagination.
Q: He wakes me up early in the morning.
B: In your imagination. (“WELL THAT’S THE”)
Q: That’s the same thing. Right?
B: I don’t think so.
Q: It is.
B: You’re not going to believe this.
Q: What?
B: I was over — (“TO SAY”) I just came back from the Hollywood Foreign Press office. Jennifer came into the room. She said, “Oh my God. Did you see the stage?” And I said, “No.” “Well, look at the sides. The GGs look just like 666.”
Q: Really?
B: Yeah. (“SSS”) “Should I tell them that they have to change it?” I said, “No, of course not. I’m sure when it’s properly lit it won’t look like that.” (“SAY”) “I don’t know.”
Q: Well, that’s funny. That movie that I saw, “Money Plays.” I gave it three sixes. (“CALL”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS PORTION OF TAPE WAS TRANSCRIBED THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 1ST. I UNDERSTOOD THIS MESSAGE TO SIGNIFY CALLING MY FATHER, SOMETHING I PLANNED TO DO AS PER HIS REQUEST IN HIS MOST RECENT LETTER.)
B: Michael wants you to see “Brother of Sleep.”
Q: Did you see it yet?
B: Yes.
Q: Where did you see it?
B: A Directors Guild special screening for the German Film Institute.
Q: And when did you see it? (“A FEW M”)
B: About a month ago.
Q: And what is it about?
B: It’s about a young boy who’s born in a city and all the people there think he’s the Antichrist. But he’s not. He’s actually a child prodigy who learns (“WOU”) how to play the organ in (“CHA”) religious ecstasies.
Q: My God, that’s the story of my life. (“I SSSSHHH”) Is he a twin?
B: Well, actually, I’m trying to remember. (“NO I DON’T”) No, I don’t think he’s a twin.
Q: Does he have a brother?
B: Ohhh. But he has a — (“I’M TRYING”) I’m trying to remember in the movie — he has a sister? Oh, no, there’s a young girl that loves him dearly yet they’re never fated to get together.
Q: No kidding.
B: Anyway, (“IT’S”) you’ll love it. It’s wonderful.
Q: I don’t have time to see the movie but I trust you.
B: You should definitely see “Brother of Sleep.” It’s probably going to win the Golden Globe. It’s directed by Joseph Vilsmaier. (“GAY”)
( . . . )
Q: Did you misplace your keys? (“SOMETIMES”) But did you misplace them for a little while?
B: No, I just put them down there. (“BUT”)
Q: That’s the theme of my book.
B: Misplaced keys?
Q: Total honesty.
B: Oh my God.
Q: What?
B: When I looked at that dirty comic book, I thought “Oh my God, this artist is totally honest with his own sick desires.”
Q: What do you mean?
B: Those illusions. (“THOSE” “THIS”) The pornographic fantasies were that artist’s true, sick desires.
Q: Well, of course they are. (“YEAH”) But he’s also channeling.
B: Ohhh God. (“PE”)
Q: People have got to be honest about sexuality. (“IT’S”)
B: People dealing with their animal instincts.
Q: It isn’t something — (“SSS”) right. Exactly.
B: Right. (“BUT”)
Q: But there’s nothing wrong with them, is there? (“NO”)
B: No. (“I MEAN”)
Q: I think it’s a fantasy, personally.
B: Of course. Everything’s a fantasy.
Q: I guess. Sex is definitely the most confusing area of my book. And I think it’s the most confusing area for most people.
B: Well, you haven’t done any research.
Q: Yes, I have. I worked in the (“PORNO”) porno magazine industry.
B: I know but research firsthand.
Q: I’ve had a little bit.
B: Michael wants you to have firsthand.
Q: Michael, that’s not true. He wants to save me for Him.
B: That’s right. (“UH-HUH YEAH”)
Q: Okay, bye.
B: Bye.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TAPED THE FOLLOWING AS I ENTERED MY CONDO BUILDING.)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) 4G83081 is the license number of this truck that’s parked in front of the condos. It says, “UNIQUE COTTON SAC CA FIBER FELT (CAL T 114425).” (“TA” S) Flashing lights. How great. (“UH-HUH”)
( . . . )
Q: It’s very difficult to be totally honest. (“UH-HUH”) But when you consider all the acts of love that we experience, it’s the least we can do. After all the acts of love that I have experienced and to still be dishonest—even in a narrow capacity—shows just how difficult it is to be entirely honest all the time. And even during the period when I’m sure Michael was angry with me He was still being kind to me — doing various things to make my life more comfortable.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PORTION OF TAPE WAS RECORDED AT THE PHILOSOPHICAL RESEARCH SOCIETY ON SUNDAY, JANUARY 21ST WHEN GAY LUCE WAS THE GUEST LECTURER. THIS WAS TRANSCRIBED ON FEBRUARY 4TH. I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDED NEAR THE CONCLUSION OF AN EXERCISE IN WHICH THE AUDIENCE JOINED HANDS AND STARED AT THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO THEM FOR SEVERAL MINUTES. I HAD BROUGHT MY EGYPTIAN PENDANT WITH ME.)
Q: You look just like a statue of the goddess Ishtar I have in my bedroom.
D: Really? (“UM-HUH”)
Q: What’s your name?
D: DeVona. (“OOH”)
Q: Divine. DeVona. (“ARE YOU”) Are you Obadiah’s wife or —
D: No. ([CLEARING THROAT] “UMUHHUHH” “JUST”)
Q: You happen to be sitting here. (“WHATEVER”) Isn’t that funny? (“NOBODY”) It’s uncanny. (“PISSED OFF”) You look just like the statue I got. And I just got it on Monday. (“ALRIGHT”)
D: Synchronicity.
Q: Exactly.
D: Or capital C coincidence. (“UM-HUH”)
Q: And what did you — (“FEEL AB” “NA NAY”)
D: Well, I can see an aura. (“DO YOU MIND IF I”)
Q: Can I interview you for my book? I’m writing a book.
D: Of course. (“UH-HUH” “UMMM”) Of course, you’re sitting between two ministers.
Q: Right.
D: A rabbi.
Q: Um-huh. (“HUN”)
D: There’s a lot of powerful energy in this room. (“IT’S BECAUSE OF ME”)
Q: Did you ever feel like you’re the reincarnation of a goddess? (“OR SOMETHING” “BITCH” “HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND”)
D: No, but I believe (“ASK HER FOR SOME MORE INFORMATION”) we’re each — (“NO”)
Q: Of course. (“YOU’RE GOD” “AH HUH”)
D: Beautiful — (“NINETY-THREE”) when I sat (“MARDUK HEARD US TODAY”) down with — this was my old rabbi (“PEW”) teacher here.
Q: Oh. (“WE’VE DONE SO MANY THINGS” “HE WAS IN THE”)
D: And when we were in ministerial school (“MARILYN MONROE’S HOME” “I WAS”) he was our teacher (“THE OLD TESTAMENT”) for The Old Testament. I just loved him. (“UM-HUH” “YEAH”)
D: And your eyes are the color of mine.
L: Maybe I can ask you a question or two about what happened here.
Q: Um-huh. (“DID YOU” “CUT IT OUT” “I CAN SEE A GREEK WATCHING HER”) What’s your last name too?
L: What kind of things —
D: Cox. (“ME AND MARK”)
L: — could you find out (“UM-HUH”) in talking to this person? (“OH” “OH” “DI”) What did you discover? (“OOLA” “PENNY” “FORTY-ONE” “PARDON ME” “FUCKING”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: ‘A’ DESIGNATES THE FIRST AUDIENCE MEMBER WHO COMMENTS.)
A: We’re both seeking.
L: You’re both seeking.
Q: We’ll, I’m in-between two ministers. (“FREEDOM”) And I thought she looked like a statue of the goddess Ishtar I have in my bedroom and her name is — (“ALRIGHT” “DE”)
D: DeVona.
Q: DeVona (“GOOD”) as in divine. (“WHAT IF” “GOOD”)
( . . . )
Q: Obadiah?
H: Um-huh.
Q: Did you do that (“A”) affirmation or did she do that?
H: At the end?
Q: No, in the beginning?
H: Oh, I did that.
Q: Could I use that in my book that I’m doing? (“THANK HIM”)
H: Sure, you can do that.
Q: Okay. Great. (“OKAY” “GREAT” “WHO IS” “DON’T MAKE ME DO IT HERE”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING WAS DIFFICULT TO TRANSCRIBE BECAUSE SPEAKERS IN THE BACKGROUND ARE AUDIBLE. ANY VOICES ATTRIBUTED IN THIS MANNER HAVE BEEN EDITED ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME SURPRISING PORTIONS OF CONVERSATION SUCH AS “I’M GOING TO PUNCH HIS FACE,” “ABOUT TO SET A PANIC” AND “SET UP OUR OWN BOSNIA SOME TIME.” SOME AUDIBLE BACKGROUND WORDS ACCOMPANIED BY SPIRIT MESSAGES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AND ARE DESIGNATED ‘P.’)
Q: . . . Obadiah knows that I’m writing a book. (“YES”)
L: Um-huh.
Q: My name is Mark (“RA”) Russell Bell. (“YOU BITCH”)
L: Hello.
Q: And I’m sort of the American equivalent (“GREAT”) of Sai Baba but I’m a terrible underachiever. (“THOSE WHO DISCOVER” “SAY IT”) I am writing a book, (“LIKE”) though, about the New Age. (“VERY GOOD” “MARK”) But I just want to make one thing clear because (“THEY’LL RAPE YOU” “YEAH”) I intend to talk about your speech today in my book. (“PATTI”) I mean you did say a few times like “he’s showing us” (“ONE”) but, of course, that’s really (“THE FIRST”) what we say when we mean God.
L: True.
Q: Using (“OKAY”) “him” as a channel. (“LIKE REGAN”)
L: Sure. (“BITCH”)
Q: I just wanted to point that out (“MOTHER”) for when I talk about (“DISH”) your speech in my book. (“WHOA”)
L: Yeah.
Q: But, (“LOVE GOD LOVE A MAN”) in terms of miracles, (“ONE SUCH” “FOR FUCKING”) I think it’s more appropriate — (“BARRY”) like in my case (“I DON’T”) He doesn’t perform any miracles (“LISP”) around me. He just does things (“WHEN” “BITCH”) in a very natural, (“UH-HUH”) completely believable order.
L: That’s right. (“SURE IT’S HIM” “BITCH”)
Q: Because nobody would ever believe (“NO”) something would immediately appear in front of us. I mean you could tell them and they wouldn’t believe it. (“WHAT IS” “THE GOOSE”)
L: He’s done that in front of my face. (“HE HAS”)
Q: Well, He’s done that in front of my face too.
L: He’s made things right in front of my face.
Q: He’s done that too for — I mean God has done that for me. (“YOU’RE GOD”) However, for my book, He’s proving His existence in other ways.
L: Um-huh. Sure —
Q: For example —
L: — so that other people can understand it.
Q: Right. In ways that they can understand. Like when I go shopping —
L: Hmm.
Q: — I buy these fascinating antiquities. (“BEL-MARDUK YOU’RE FLAWLESS”)
L: Um-huh.
Q: Like the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant, Declaration of Independence —
L: Um-huh.
Q: — and this is how He’s going to try to show people (“ISIS”) that He’s (“THE LENGTH OF THE EARTH AND UNDER”) very intent (“OOOOON”) upon achieving (“BLAMELESS”) peace and love. (“YOU HAVE A NEW CONCERN THE BOOK”) So I’ve had the same experiences you had.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And it’s my assignment to write (“LIKE”) a New Age Testament.
L: Wonderful. I’ll look forward to that. (“SO”)
Q: But one of the things I do ([CLEARING THROAT] “UM-HUH”) in my book is when I meet (“KIMOSABE”) important people like yourself — like I did with the person (“NO”) sitting next to me. (“IS”) I asked her (“WHO”) they believe they’re close to (“POOR” “S R”) the energy of — or the reincarnation of in our time.
L: Hmm.
Q: And what is (“LIKE”) the first name that pops into your mind? (“BUT IT’S UP ABOVE”)
L: Well, (“US,” “YOU’RE A NUT”) it’s not the (“ROTTED” “RIGHT”) most obvious one but Asclepius. (“WHEAT”)
Q: I don’t even know who that is. (“THAT TAKES LUCK” “WHO’S”)
L: The god of healing (“GET A BOOK”) in ancient Greece. (“COME” “YOU’RE OWN GRANDDAUGHTER” “MRS. SATURIAN”)
Q: Well, you’ll have to see my book because a lot of people I meet do come up with these parallels. And I’m beginning to believe that they’re true.
L: Um-huh. (“HOW MUCH” “YOU LEARN”)
Q: So (“ASSOCIATE” “AND YOUR GOAL”) my book is entitled Testament. (“A UFO” “TIME”) I can’t decide if it’s Mark Russell Bell (“I’M THANKFUL”) or Marduk Russell Bel. (“GREAT”) Which one do you like? (“HOW MUCH”)
P: How much free will I actually have.
L: I think I like Mark.
Q: Okay. (“WACKADOO”)
P: What I think of any . . . (“DOOM”)
Q: Thank you so much. Nice meeting you. (“TRY YOUR LUCK FREE” “MEISTER”) Okay.
P: . . . set of circumstances . . . (“POINT BATTLE”)
( . . . )
Q: DeVona, can you believe it’s raining out now?
D: Oh no.
Q: It’s raining. It was sunny. It was like 75 or 80 when we came in. And now it’s raining.
D: Oh, for goodness sake. (“YOU KNOW I THOUGHT”) Maybe I said, “No, it’s not going to rain until late this afternoon or tonight.”
Q: Did they predict it?
D: Yeah, they predicted the rain tonight.
Q: But I thought it was sunny when we came in.
D: It was.
Q: Oh, well, I’ll see you later. Do you come every week or just this one time?
D: No, I come quite often.
Q: Okay. I do too.
D: What’s your name?
Q: Mark.
D: Mark, nice to meet you.
Q: Yes. Nice to meet you. (“PATTI HAMILTON”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS SECTION WAS TRANSCRIBED ON FEBRUARY 3RD JUST PRIOR TO THE PARTY WHERE I INTERVIEWED PATTI.)
D: My husband’s usually with me.
Q: Oh, okay. (“WHAT”) What’s wrong with him? (“WELL THAT COULD BE”) Or is he alright — (“NOTHING”)
D: Nothing. He’s a minister and hr’s speaking in Oklahoma city this morning.
Q: Ohhh. Really? (“TO BE INVITED”) I’ve been to Oklahoma. (“MAYBE VOODOO” “SOMEBODY”) Last (“YOU ASK FOR”) August. (“PLEASE MAKE LOVE TO ME”) The very end of August. Did you see that special? (“YOU’RE SPECIAL” “SOME”) “Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test” about an Oklahoma family? (BOING)
D: No. (“UH-HUH”) Uh-uh. (“DIANA”)
Q: Well, my book is (“WINNER”) in part about that. (“IN YOUR HEAD” “UM”) It turns out they (“DON’T”) have an Entity named Michael (“YEAH”) living with them. (“OFFBEAT”) And I do too. (“UH-HUH” “JEREMY”) So that’s one of the things my book is about. (“HIGH NOON”)
D: But you’re Mark. (“HMMM”)
Q: Right. (“HMMM” “WHEAT”) And I have a twin brother named Michael.
D: You do? (“NUT”) Are you an identical? (“YEAH”)
Q: Well, we think so. It wasn’t genetically checked.
D: Oh, well, you are then. When you look alike, you are. I have identical twin daughters. (“YEAH I” “COUGH IT UP”)
Q: You do? And what are their names?
D: Robin and Cathlin. (“UH-HUH” “SOUNDS GOOD” “GIVE HER A KISS”)
Q: That’s curious. (“YOUR PEN”) Again, what you said before — (“HELP ME” “VERY SER”) synchronicity.
D: They’re missionaries. (“JOHN HOCKNEY”)
Q: They are? (“YEAH” “OH”)
Q: Is it non-denominational or what church?
D: No, they’re (“I”) very narrow-minded fundamentalists. (“WE HAVE THAT” “OH REALLY”) And, of course, they think that (“JEFF DAHMER”) we being in metaphysics are just bound for hell and, of course, I believe if you don’t believe in hell you’re not going to hell. (“THAT’S RIGHT” “AMI”)
Q: Oh, of course. (“YOU’LL BE GOING WE’RE GOING”)
D: We’re going into another dimension. (“RIGHT” “SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT” “SPEAK”)
Q: Our Earth is a hell right now. (“OOH” “GREAT”) The way we made it. (“YES” “YOU KNOW”) So, no, well, (“ONE OF MY”) I hope that my book helps explain (“WE GO BACK TO EARTH”) that there is only one religion which is love. (“WILLIAM CAME OUT”)
D: Um-huh. God is love. (“EXACTLY” “SO THAT’S WHAT” “HOPE YOU KNOW”)
Q: The message I hope that the fundamentalists get — (“IF YOU PLAY THEM” “WHICH” “UM”) for example — (“ON THE ISSUE” “THEY WON’T” “CAUSE IT”)
D: They won’t read your book. (“THE BOOK’S WRITTEN” “BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE ALL THE BOOK” “UM-HUH”) None of them ever — (“WHAT’S HE MAD AT” “SOMEONE”) my children will not listen to me (“YOU DON’T SUCK”) or anything I have to say. (“HURRICANE MABUS” “UH-HUH”) I mean, they are creationists. (“MAKE THAT PHONE CALL”) They are (“GOOD AFTERNOON” “YOU’RE NOT”) about this broad — (“DO”) They (“UHH”) only believe in what they’re fed. (“IN A HAMMOCK” “ROTTEN” “I LOVE”)
Q: Your own children. (“OR ANYTHING”)
D: Yes. (“GO EASY ON THEM” “NO”) We all started out Episcopalian (“WHERE’S MY BABY?”) and I went one direction and they went the other. (“OH NO HOW MUCH NO”)
Q: So if your own children (“WON’T”) won’t listen to you, (“SIT BACK UP”) what hope do I have in (“GUIDING”) writing a book? (“OKAY”)
D: Write the book, anyhow. (“GOD WILL TAKE YOU THERE”) Many people —
Q: Oh, of course.
D: — of a like mind will read it.
Q: Exactly. And maybe, eventually, they’ll come around. (“MANY PEOPLE DON’T LIKE” “THE PLOT”) But I do deal with a lot of very sensitive — (“DEFEND IT RIGHT”) issues like abortion, (“LOOK IN THE ABBEY”) politics, (“HIDE”) the homeless. (“YOU DID THAT” “AND MICHAEL”)
D: You’re a writer? That’s all you do? (“NOW” “NO”) Is that what you do? (“HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH” “KISS ME”)
Q: Right now. (“UHHH” “STOP IT” “I’M”)
D: I’m a painter. (“COME TO THE DAIRY MICHAEL”) I mean —
Q: Oh. (“YEAH” “LMNO” “YEAH”)
D: — I was a minister and in —
Q: Yeah.
D: — Bridgeport. (“UP YOUR” “TEN YEARS FROM NOW”) I’m retired and I’m back to — I was a painting teacher for twenty years before — (“HANG IN THERE” “SO KILL MY SPIRIT” “ALL FREE IN THERE” “I” “AND I”)
Q: I do a little with acrylics. (“WE MEET THERE” “THERE WAS BLOOD ON YOU” “NO”) This Christmas (“I DID RUBBER”) I got rubber stamps with acrylic paints and put symbols (“YEAH BUT”) on my Christmas cards.
D: Oh, great. Great. (“YOU’RE COOL”)
Q: So I used — (“LIKE”) there was the trinity symbol — (“CAT HAIR”) and it was funny when I got them at the rubber stamp (“JACQUELINE”) place. (“THE THING” “YEAH” “YOU KNOW”) She didn’t think they looked like Christmas decorations (“FIND IT”) because she didn’t understand the symbolic meanings.
D: Um-huh. (“FRANK CAPRA” “BUT”)
Q: My pseudonym alone (“SHOCKING”) with the word Bell in it (“YOU DON’T COME USE THE PEW”) is very symbolic. (“WILL” “I MEAN”) I’m very symbolic. (“BOLIC” “UM-HUH”)
D: Um-huh. (“IT’S COMING”) What’s your last name? (“YEAH” “ABILITY”)
Q: My real last name (“THE YETI”) is Russell. (“NO”) But my pseudonym which was given to me is Bell. (“UM-HUH” “RIGHT”) And in terms of reincarnation, I might be the reincarnation of Bel-Marduk. (“WHAT’LL I DO”) Which sounds very eccentric. (“HOW WOULD YOU KNOW”) But I do have (“[PAST TENSE] READ ANYTHING”) an Egyptian medallion to prove it. (“BY BRING” “JUST LIKE MY”) You look like my statue. (“TOOTHPICK”) I look just like (“WHEN HE GOT HOME” “KING ARTHUR” “UH-HUH”) the god (Amun-)Ra. (“THIRTEEN” “GHOSTS —”) So (“— TIME”) there are these various — and I think that (“UM-HUH” “YOU KNOW”) gods and humans are the same thing. (“WE — LL —- LL”)
D: We are.
Q: Exactly. (“EXACTLY” “TODAY”)
D: Sat down (“WITH”) with my rabbi today. I knew he was going to be here and we haven’t seen each other. (“WE CAME”)
Q: What’s his name again? (“YOUR DEADLINE”)
D: Rabbi (“WHAT IS IT IS IT”) Lyshoul (“NUTS” “I DON’T KNOW”) Philouti.
Q: And spell that.
D: I can’t.
Q: Oh, okay. Well, I’ll spell it phonetically. (“LIKE”)
D: Lyshoul. (“IN A MAN’S” “GIVE UP” “BOUTIQUE” “WOMEN” “FOR THAT TIME”) But (“COULD HE HAVE DONE” “FUCK ME IN A SHOWER ROOM”) he was the harshest metaphysical, (“NO VISIBLE” “SACRED HEART”) protesting teacher. (“BE MORE CREATIVE”)
Q: “Wow.” (“GET A NEW CAR”)
D: And (“EXACTLY AND HE”) he lived — (“HE LOVED A”) he went (“MOUNTAIN”) to school in Israel (“NO”) and was taught by Martin Guber. (“HE’LL WRITE” “YOU’RE GOING TO TRAVEL”) And then he (“THEY’LL PROBABLY ASK”) met —
Q: You know all these people have —
D: — in a temple in India for two years and so he’s very holistic. He is very metaphysical. He is a mystic. I saw (“HATE”) a healing take place in Kansas. Miraculous.
Q: So Sai Baba isn’t the only one. (“UH-UH”)
D: You’re all.
Q: Exactly. (“ATONE” “COME LIKE THAT”)
D: He just (“COME ON NO”) knows how to use it. (“YOU NEED TO CALL” “THE RUSH” “WITH GOD AS A WHOLE”)
Q: And he knows how to recognize it too.
D: Manly Hall was (“HIS”) certainly a mystic.
Q: Well, you know, that’s funny because (“BEAUTIFUL”) I have a genealogist looking into my family. The first one she gave me (“I STILL HAVE THE DOCUMENT”) did have the name Hall in it. And it did have the name Young in it. (“SHE’S TRYING TO SPARE YOU”) But now that she knows (“WAA — AH — AH”) it’s for publication (“GAVE YOU” “COMING OUT” “UH-HUH”) she’s being very careful to show (“SHE OWE”) exact lineage. (“GOOD FOR YOU”) So I’m not quite sure any more if I am cousins of both but I probably am. (“REALLY” “PROPERTY”) It would explain a lot. (“WE’RE ALL” “RIGHT”) We’re all from Adam and Eve. (“YEAH”) Unfortunately.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NAME: I WAS MISTAKEN ABOUT THE NAME HALL APPEARING IN A PREVIOUS VERSION OF MY FAMILY TREE. IT APPEARED MANY TIMES ON THE PAGES SENT TO ME BY MY UNCLE WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY DIRECT BLOOD TIE.)
D: No, we’re all carbon.
Q: Carbon? Right.
D: Everything on Earth — in the Earth is carbon.
Q: And there’s so little carbon, you know, in the round —
D: No, carbon. (“OH”) Like diamond.
Q: Right. Carbon. (“UH-HUH”)
D: That’s why we’re all stardust. (“YEAH”) Because we’re all made of carbon. Everything on earth is.
Q: Right. Well, last week, you heard that lecture — (“UH-HUH” “LAST WEEK ABOUT” “WELL”)
D: Yeah, I did, and I went (“HOW”) to him — (“FOR THE”) three lectures. (“I LIKE YOU”)
Q: Oh, you did?
D: Yeah. (“WHAT”)
Q: Sum them up for me because I did not go. (“BUT I LIKE THOUGH WHAT I JUST SAW”)
D: Oh, for goodness sakes, I couldn’t.
Q: Oh really? (“REALLY”) No overlying impression or —
D: That we’re all one, of course.
Q: Right.
D: And (“HA”) he’s a very brilliant (“HAWK”) person who stretches your mind (“NO NOT AGAIN” [LIKE MONKEY] “HOO HOO HAA” “UH-HUH”) just like a rubber band. (“THINKING ABOUT”) I enjoyed him very much. (“THE PERSON SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WATCHING” “I’M — HE” “HE MET”) He’s going to be the (“LIKE A MONSTER”) professor in residence (“BUT WHY DO I KNOW YOU”) here for a year. (“YEAH”)
Q: Right.
D: So in two months (“NO MA’AM” “CALL A LIMO”) then he’ll (“PLAY”) teach another (“HE’S NUTS”) three (“THAT RUMOR”) classes. (“CONSUL” “AND THEY’RE ONLY”) They’re only (“COME TO THE”) $10 (“THAT’S TOO MUCH” “A SSS” “PARTY”) a session. (“WAS AWFUL” “YOU HAVE SEEN IT” “AT AND IS” “JUNKIE”)
Q: Yeah, he’s definitely (“NO”) giving back (“WHILE HE EVEN TALKS ABOUT”) to society —
D: Oh, yes.
Q: — the gifts of love that he himself has had. (“A LOT MORE ARE COMING TO HIM” “HE REALLY LOOKS OUT”)
D: Um-huh.
Q: Like we all should do. (“HE’LL DESERVE” “SIDDHARTHA”) But (“I CAN” “TAKE A BREAK” “FLOSS OVER”) I know — did he talk about doing the mathematics for the bomb? (“GOES HERE”)
D: No, he (“DOES NOT”) does not like to talk about that. (“SOMETIMES”) He doesn’t talk about that. (“OH YEAH”)
Q: Um-huh. (“HE’S WORKING”) I’m not even sure (“YOU KNOW HE”) which bomb it was. (“YEAH”)
D: Oh, I don’t know if H-bomb or A-bomb. (“IT’S”) The one Teller developed.
Q: Oh, okay.
D: Because he did all the math (“WHO DID”) for Teller. (“BRIAN”)
Q: Right. Is that, like, in the movie “Fat Man And Little Boy”?
D: And Oppenheimer. (“SUSPIRIA”)
Q: Right. Yeah. (“SOMEONE GETS A NEW HOUSE” “HE LOOKED UGLY”) There was a Paramount film (“I DID THE PRESS KIT” “COVER MY WRINKLED HAND” “AND DOUG”) called (“ROTTED”) “Fat Man And Little Boy.” (“HOW’S HE BEEN” “CALL LARRY” “DOUGLAS” “DID YOU DREAM LAST NIGHT”) So (“FOR A CAMEL INNORWAY”) it’s interesting to see how these things all link up. (“THAT HIT THE SPOT” “YOU’D LIKE TO HEAR CONAN” “RIGHT AWAY”)
D: Everything links up. (“OH YEAH” “PACIFIC”)
Q: Exactly. Well, you can — (“SUCK ‘EM” “I KNOW”) you’ll be able to read about all this (“HORSESHIT”) in my second book (“CALL”) if not my first book. (“NO THIS” “MOVE YOUR CHAIR”) Well, this lady has (“YOU PROBABLY KNOW”) an Egyptian (“UH-HUH” “CALL ME BACK”) medallion (“REPUTATION”) on too.
O: Here I am. I went on the Egyptian tour. (“AND SHE LIKED IT”)
Q: What is this? (“BEAUTIFUL”) Wow.
D: It’s a cartouche. (“HAVE YOU SEEN IT” “SMILE”)
Q: Right.
O: With my (“GIVE THE BOOK TO ANYONE” “AT WORK” ALARM) name.
D: Your name? (“LAURA” “IN HIEROGLYPHIC”)
O: Uh-huh. (“UNIQUE”)
Q: What is your name? (“I’M SURE TO GET THAT FOR YOU” “WELL IT’S”)
O: It says ‘Lady Mo.’ (“SHE’S A DUMB BLONDE”) My name is Mo. (“WE KNEW THAT”) I go by Lady Mo. People call me Lady Mo. (“SHELLEY BERMAN”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS ACTOR WAS ONE OF THE CLIENTS WHEN I WORKED AT THE RUTH WEBB AGENCY.)
(“YOU’LL LIKE IT FINE”)
Q: Um-huh. That’s your real name? (“WHATEVER”)
O: No. Maureen’s my real name. (“PUT” “WHAT IS YOUR NAME” “ALL THE TIME”)
Q: And last name? (“CALL SARAH MILES”)
O: Green.
Q: Green. Okay. (“GO AHEAD”)
O: As the color. (“HAVE MIKE DO IT”) But I went on the (“CASABLANCA”) trip to Egypt that, (“HE KNOWS”) you know, was for PRS and Noetic Society.
Q: Ooh, okay. (“ALLLLLL” “YOUR SLIDE’S GOOD”) Right.
O: It was (“HANDSOME”) the most wonderful trip.
D: I bet.
O: The bonding of the people was incredible. (“OOH” “HE’S LOOKING AFTER YOU”) On the airplane it started. (“KNOWING WHAT I THINK”) When we got to New York, everybody got off at — our group (“THE GROUP” “BIG TRUCK”) — so they could clean the plane. (“TORA”) We were all walking around talking to one another. (“STAY”) It was incredible. (“YOU MIGHT GET DEMI” “FRENCH KISS”) And (“INTERESTED IN COMING OUT”) Fadel Gad — have you seen him when he’s here? (“SHE’LL READ IT WHEN SHE’S READY” “SHE’LL CALL” “I CAN” “LET HIM” “MOVE THE DATE”)
Q: No.
O: He’s an archaeologist —
Q: Not yet.
O: Okay. (“UM”) He’s talked here a few times on Egypt. (“BOOK”) And that’s really where I got interested (“STEPHEN KING”)
D: Ahhhh.
O: — in just the metaphysical. (“SAND BLOCK”)
Q: Um-huh.
O: And so (“HE SAID TWENTY-NINE”) he said he could not (“BRINGING”) believe this group. (“OVER ONCE”) He’s never (“DISNEY”) had a group like this. (“SEE” “LIAR”) And when we would talk about (“YOU’RE SO LOGICAL”) some of the things that happened to us, we all seemed to have (“THINGS WE CAN DO NOW”) some kind of spiritual thing that happened. (“TWISTED NECK”) Like, just for instance, (“WE’RE THROUGH” “HEY MISTER”) I was on top of one of the ruins. We all had radios (“WAIT FOR ME”) and he could put us on (“I FORESEE” “DEADLINE”) station and talk to us. (“OH YEAH”) So we could roam around (“UM-HUH”) and lay down or sit up or what we want. So I’m just standing there and I’m listening (“BLUE HAT”) when he starts talking. (“YOU WILL FIND”) I hear this beautiful music. (“NO”) And I’m sort of looking around. (“THAT SHIRT” “VALUE COUPON” “YEAH” “REALLY”) You’re sort of hearing (“TIME”) but you’re not quite with it (“SOME TALK”) because you’re sort of awed (“NO” “YOU NEED A SECRETARY”) by where you are — (“SUNDAY SCANDAL”) 5,000 years old (“BEHAVE”) and you’re standing there (“PEOPLE” “LOIS CAUGHT UP”) next to the Nile — (“CROWN OF THORNS”) just incredible thoughts. (“UM-HUH”)
Q: Um-huh. (“SUCKING MY”) And then I heard these children’s (“MANY BOYS” “DADDY”) voices. (“QUIT TALKING TO”) Boys and girls — children — (“FINE RIGHT HERE”) start singing (“KID BROKE AN ARM” “UH-HUH”) “Amazing (“MY ONLY GRANDSON”) grace —” (“GET A BOOK”)
D: (small laugh)
Q: Hmmh.
O: “— how great —” and I (“LOOK”) look over. (“AT ME” “I DON’T KNOW” “MYSTERIUM”) I don’t know — starting to look around at people. (“AND I THINK”) What if [LIKE A CARTOON CHARACTER] UH-OH”) I meet anybody? (“DUCK” “DUCK” “I’M DAD”) You know — a radio that can — (“BE” “YOU’RE DAD”) putting this out. (“EXACTLY”)
O: I somehow touched something (“MY EUPHORIA”) that for me was very personal. (“HE’LL HAVE TO DO” “I’LL SEE TOMORROW” “YEAH”) And I was hearing this. (“YOU CAN COLLECT”) Other people just “MARK”) heard little things and had (“AND HAD YOU” “GO FIND IT”) moving experiences that they were sharing (“I” “WHO WAS”) that you just couldn’t believe. (“EXCELLENT TIME”) Did you learn anything about the god Ra or Bel-Marduk? (“NADA” “DID I KNOW”) Anything about them? (“SOME LOOK”)
O: Well, only from a historical — (“YOUR UNCLE”)
Q: Right.
O: — viewpoint. (“WHAT IS IT”) Yes. There was a very (“MUCH”) lot of talk about past. (“AND THEY TOLD ME WHO” “PLEASE DON’T GIVE UP” “BOO”)
Q: Just in one line can you? (“HA HA” “THE BITCH”)
O: No, I honestly can’t because, —
Q: (small laugh) (“SACRILEGE”)
O: — you know, in those days —
Q: Any pictures? Did you see any pictures of him?
O: Oh yes. (“OH YEAH”)
Q: Do I look like him? (“WHY HER”)
O: Do you look like him? (“THAT’S POSSIBLY HIM”)
Q: From a profile? (“WITHOUT SIDEBURNS” “YEAH” “THEY CAN” “WISH THE BOYS” “COME HERE” “UM”)
D: Nice profile.
O: Well, I’d say the nose was probably a little bit straighter but the —
Q: Um-huh.
O: — small nose like — (“I WISH”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: TAPE #54, SIDE #1 ENDS HERE.)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER AFTER DROPPING BY MY BROTHER’S HOUSE ON THE WAY HOME FROM THE GYM WHERE I HAD BEEN THINKING THINGS OVER. I HAD BEEN SICK WITH THE FLU ON FRIDAY SO I DIDN’T GO TO THE GYM THAT DAY AS I CUSTOMARILY DO.)
Q: You scared me peeking out like that.
B: (reading the word on my cap) What?
Q: I got this cap (“THESE CAPS”) at Century City mall. Guess how much it cost? And you choose what goes on them yourself.
B: $13.
Q: $14. (“BUT THEY”)
B: That isn’t bad.
Q: They give you (“FIVE LE”) five letters. I chose ‘Mabus.’ (“MABUS”) Here’s your “War of the (“UH-OH” “VISCOTT” “BUBBLE”) Worlds” CD and your (“THE ABBA”) Abba — (“OKAY”) what’s this? “Forty Great Tracks — The Hits Box.” (“NO” “OH THAT’S”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: DR. DAVID VISCOTT PASSED AWAY FROM HEART PROBLEMS WHILE I WAS EDITING THIS BOOK. HE WAS A PSYCHIATRIST AND AUTHOR WHO INTUITIVELY ADVISED CALLERS ABOUT THEIR DILEMMAS ON HIS RADIO AND TV PROGRAMS. I ONCE HEARD HIM BRIEFLY DISCUSS HIS CONCEPT OF GOD AND RECOGNIZED IT AS ONE OF THE BEST AND, PERHAPS, MOST ENLIGHTENED ONES I EVER HEARD. AT THIS POINT IN MY CONVERSATION WITH MY BROTHER, I NOTICE HE HAS A HOLLYWOOD FOREIGN PRESS GOLDEN GLOBES PROGRAMME.)
Q: Can I have one?
B: No. (“I JUST”) I just got it hot off the press.
Q: Okay.
B: But I’ll (“DON’T” “MIKE”) be able to get you one later. (“WHAT”)
Q: You’ll never guess what happened.
B: What?
Q: Michael’s mad at me.
B: Why?
Q: Because I wasn’t entirely honest about something.
B: What?
Q: Last night when you called — (“RIGHT”) you know, I was taping. (“RIGHT”) And you started talking about that comic book I ordered.
B: Right.
Q: So I turned off my tape recorder. (“ACCU” “HELLO”) And then toward the end of this tape (“RIGHT”) He ripped it up. He cut it in two. (“WHAT’S WHAT”)
B: The tape?
Q: Yes. See, I thought it would be (“DEADLINE”) embarrassing that I ordered those (“SHHHHHHHH”) porno comic sample pages — (“BUT THE ISSUE”)
B: That’s right. It’s downstairs. (“COME”)
Q: But the reason why I got it was because — (“YOU KNOW I JUST YOU KNOW”) I very rarely buy porno magazines. (“I MIGHT” “SO YOU’RE”)
B: You’re curious.
Q: Exactly. So I picked up one. (“THAT’S ALRIGHT”) It had an ad for this Hun Comics comic book.
B: That’s what it is. Yeah. (“BUT”)
Q: But so — and James at dinner that night said, “Attila the Hun.”
B: Oh right.
Q: Out of nowhere. Remember? (“SO”) Wouldn’t you think that was like — (“I DON’T THINK”)
B: I don’t know.
Q: Oh, Michael, there’s your name in the programme. Public Relations: Michael Russell. (“LOOKS PRETTY GOOD WAS I”)
Q: It doesn’t even say Rogers & Cowan.
B: I wouldn’t let them.
Q: It just says your name. What does Chris La Monte think about that?
B: Oh, you’re on recording right now.
Q: Of course. You know me. I always record. (“STOP”)
B: Mark, you’re going kk — (“KILL YOURSELF”)
Q: What?
B: — taping all that stuff. (“NO, I HAVE TO BE HON” “I MEAN NO I HAVE”)
Q: Now I have to be — I have to be honest about the comic book now. (“OKAY”) In order to get back into Michael’s good graces.
B: It’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen.
Q: So Michael wants me to be honest about this.
B: Ohhhh. Gross. (“EEEHAW”)
Q: Oh, no. This is so awful. This is awful. (“DID”) What — did you look at this? (“WHAT WOULD YOU LOOK AT”) Do you think this comic book explains my and Michael’s relationship in any way?
B: I hope not. (“OH WELL” “OH” “WELL JUST”) I hope not. (“REAL QUICK”)
Q: What are your impressions of this?
B: It’s smut. (“WHAT”) It’s filth. (“IT’S FILTH”)
Q: But if everything is channeled by God then this is channeled by God too. (“WELL”)
B: It’s alright for those who (“WANT”) like that kind of thing. (“OH”)
Q: Now I’m scared to read it. Should I read this or not?
B: Yes. (“OHHHHHH”)
Q: And (“YEAH”) there was so much other good stuff on that tape too. (“I MEAN”) Like today’s headline stories (“UH-HUH”) were all lost. (“YEAH”) I always talk about the headline stories in the (“L A”) L.A. Times. (“WHY RECORD THE”)
B: But why do you record all this stuff?
Q: Because it’s a documentary life. (“I KNOW BUT YOU COULD” “CALL THEM” “I MEAN”)
B: Who cares?
Q: What do you think about —
B: Who cares about minutia?
Q: — Don Simpson’s death?
B: Well, Paul Bloch (“I KNOW”) came into my office at five o’clock yesterday and said he just got a phone call. (“HE WAS WITH PAUL”) Paul was his publicist.
Q: Right. (“UH-HUH”)
B: He said that — (“HE DIDN’T THINK THERE WAS ANY”) and they think it was natural causes. (telephone rings) Oh, let me get this. Hello? (pause) Well, I just got home. Mark’s here. (“I’VE GOT A COLD” “I’M GOING TO”) I’ve got to take it easy. I have a cold.
Q: I have a cold too. (“I KNOW”) Ask him about the Santa Monica apartment.
B: Mark wants to know about the Santa Monica apartment. (pause — to me) What do you want to know? (“DO YOU THINK HE”)
Q: Do you think I’m going to get it?
B: Do you think he’s going to get it? (to me) Tell him to ask Michael.
Q: Michael who?
B: Michael who?
Q: He doesn’t tell me these things. I keep telling everybody that.
B: That’s the first normal thing he’s heard you say. What?
Q: Has he read Messages From Michael yet? (pause)
B: Tell him that when he heard Michael on the tape that he knew you were quote fooling us all unquote. (“OH”)
Q: Well one — mean — (“I MEAN I THAT WAS WHAT”)
B: “Playing a game?”
Q: I just recorded it that moment. (“WHAT”)
B: “And Michael Russell, your brother, said it.”
Q: What do you mean?
B: Why don’t you talk to him direct? (“NO MICHAEL”)
Q: Okay. Andy?
B: Want me to put it on speakers? (“OR WAIT” “NO”)
Q: No, Michael. Well, yeah. Put it on speakerphone. (“NO” “O”)
B: ‘Kay. (“WHEN”)
Y: Mark? Hello? (“WHOOPS”) Can you hear me?
Q: Yeah.
Y: I’m (“NNNNNNN”) not in the best mood because I don’t feel well but I will tell you that when we were at the Director’s Guild and you claimed — you maintained that voice was your entity, Michael —
Q: He said, “SMART.”
Y: That’s when I realized that you were just — I had felt this all along but that’s when I realized — and I saw the look on your face and I felt the vibes and you know I’m psychic. (“YEAH”) I thought — that’s when I knew that you were just playing a game with us all because that was (“YOUR”) your loving brother. I heard him say it first of all. Then I heard him say it back on the tape. So, don’t give me this crap.
Q: Michael, come here! Michael!
B: (out of the room) What?
Q: Michael, come here.
Y: (laughs)
Q: Did you say “smart” —
Y: Mark!
Q: — at the Directors Guild?
Y: Mark!
B: I can’t remember. I think so.
Y: Mark Russell! Mark Russell!
Q: Yeah? Yeah?
B: I said “Mark” not “SMART.”
Q: No, you can definitely hear it and it’s “SMART.”
Y: Mark Russell, it was your brother Michael and you’re, you know, pushing this thing too far.
Q: I have the tape.
Y: You’re pushing this thing too far. You are deluded. (“UH-HUH”) You think this is what’s happening. You want us to believe it. You’ve convinced yourself.
Q: I have it on tape. (“ON TAPE”)
Y: It’s not on tape. It doesn’t say “SMART” —
Q: I played it for you.
Y: – and it’s not an entity. It’s your fucking brother. Anyway —
Q: Okay, okay. (“WOULD VICK”)
Y: Now with regard to the apartment, have you called anybody at the office?
Q: Not yet. (“YOU’RE GONNA”)
Y: You have to (“UH”) walk in here this week and say hello to them.
Q: Oh, really? When? (“O”) ‘Kay, I will.
Y: Do you remember we had this conversation? (“THEY’RE NOT”) I saw them measuring (“AND HEARD”) and heard them talking about new appliances. What they’re going to do is they’re going to fix up all the apartments and then they’re going to rent them. But you have to walk in there when you’re in Santa Monica on the West Side. (“GO”) And talk to Lucia and try to talk to Lori and tell them you wanted to just stop by and say hello — (“AND YOU’RE”)
Q: Okay.
Y: — sent a letter and you’re a friend of Doris’s.
Q: What day should I come?
Y: Any day you want but don’t talk about fucking entities.
Q: Oh, I won’t.
Y: Okay. How are you besides that?
Q: Oh fine.
Y: Yeah, what’s happening?
Q: Well, I dropped off my book to Sherry Lansing.
Y: I heard about that little episode.
Q: Right.
Y: You didn’t get thrown off the studio lot yet?
Q: No.
Y: Are you going to take care of ‘Dickers’ while Michael’s gone?
Q: How long is he going to be gone? Isn’t James going to be here?
Y: No. James is leaving on Wednesday. (“WE”) And I can’t. (“I MIGHT”) With my back I can’t drive over there. Will you promise me you’ll take — ‘Dickers’ is a holy spirit.
Q: How many days is this, Michael? (“WAAA”)
B: I’m leaving. (“I’LL”) I’ll be back Monday — a week from Monday. I’m leaving Monday. James leaves Wednesday.
Q: Right.
Y: You’ve got to go over Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Q: Oh, that’s okay. I can do that.
Y: And you can ride the bicycle.
Q: Well, no. But it’s on my way home from the gym anyway.
Y: You promise you’ll do it?
Q: Yeah.
Y: Thank you because I love ‘Dickers’ and so do you. And she loves you. (“SURE I LOVE IT”)
Q: Exactly. (“AHHH”)
Y: And I’ll help you get the apartment but you got to take care of ‘Dickers.’
Q: I will.
Y: ‘Kay. (“UH-HUH”) Can I talk to your brother for a second?
Q: Sure.
Y: I can’t hear on the speaker.
Q: Okay.
B: Ohhh.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: MY BROTHER CONTINUES TALKING WITH ANDY ON THE TELEPHONE.)
B: Gene Weed’s the director; Fran LaMaina is the CEO of Dick Clark Productions. (“AND HE”) I’m sure they had somebody (“AT N”) high up at NBC call Fran LaMaina. (“NUH SO NOWGEE” “YES” “BECAUSE THEIR”) They do half their shows at NBC. You know. (pause) “No. Call Gene’s assistant at Dick Clark.” (“AND”) They by-passed me and Aida. (pause) Yeah. (“BUT YOU KNOW”) Gene Weed likes the fact that I’m so strong. I’m sure. (pause) Yeah.
Q: What happened? I (“DIANA”) missed that.
B: (to me) I’ll tell you in a second. (to Andy) Okay let me call you back. (“SO”) I’ve got to go get my dry cleaning before it closes. Well, I’m just seeing Barry. (pause) Yeah. Bye. I’ll call you later.
Q: What happened? (“OH GOOD” “OH YES”)
B: You know, I’ve been yelling at people all week long.
Q: Right.
B: Screaming and yelling. (“AND THEY ALL SAY”)
Q: Oh no.
B: They all say, “Well, if you don’t give me a credential, then Sharon Stone isn’t coming.” So for every conversation I say, “Oh well, we’ll find someone else.” And they don’t know how to react. (“ANYWAY”) Because you have to play hardball with these Bozos.
Q: Right. (“THERE’S”)
B: Anyway, so, I’ve been having fights all week. The culmination was I received a list from NBC. They want to have seven publicists and two photographers in. At the walk-through Friday, they said, “Oh, we want twenty credentials —”
Q: Oh, that’s ridiculous. (“AND THEY WOULD AND” “WOOD”)
B: “— and all access.” So we go into the ballroom and I said, (“I GUESS”) “You don’t understand. Only the producer and the president of HFPA have all access.” (“YEAH” “THEY GO”) “No, we want all twenty.” (“YEAH”) “What if there’s an emergency?” “Okay, well, I’ll try to clear it.” Anyway, so I went to Gene Weed. He said, “Absolutely not.” Anyway, the next phone call I had — the head of publicity at NBC — I said, “Look, Aida said you could have seven. Give me their names and I’ll issue seven credentials.” And they hung up on me, angry.
Q: (laughs) (“I HAD YOU KNOW”)
B: I had to knock myself out — did a brilliant campaign. (“THEY”) The only thing they did was issue a press release incorrectly without checking it and fucked everything up.
Q: So (“YEAH”) guess what my prediction is.
B: What?
Q: “Babe.” “Babe” — right?
B: Well, I hope it’s “The American President.”
Q: Why do you want that to win?
B: Because I liked it better.
Q: And for drama I guess — I don’t really care about drama. (“SEN”)
B: “Sense and Sensibility.”
Q: Yecch. (“CHHHH”)
B: Oh, did you bring me “Pride and Prejudice” on tape?
Q: Of course not, you know that Michael doesn’t let me watch TV.
B: Ohhh.
Q: You know that, don’t you?
B: Michael’s a bore. Tell Michael’s he’s a bore.
Q: No, He’s not a bore. (“NO I’M I’M”)
B: Why don’t you find a flesh and blood person? Instead of a —
Q: He is a flesh and blood person.
B: Have you seen Him?
Q: He’s just in a different dimension.
B: Right. Exactly. Why don’t you find someone in this dimension?
Q: Because we can still make out in different dimensions.
B: In your imagination.
Q: He wakes me up early in the morning.
B: In your imagination. (“WELL THAT’S THE”)
Q: That’s the same thing. Right?
B: I don’t think so.
Q: It is.
B: You’re not going to believe this.
Q: What?
B: I was over — (“TO SAY”) I just came back from the Hollywood Foreign Press office. Jennifer came into the room. She said, “Oh my God. Did you see the stage?” And I said, “No.” “Well, look at the sides. The GGs look just like 666.”
Q: Really?
B: Yeah. (“SSS”) “Should I tell them that they have to change it?” I said, “No, of course not. I’m sure when it’s properly lit it won’t look like that.” (“SAY”) “I don’t know.”
Q: Well, that’s funny. That movie that I saw, “Money Plays.” I gave it three sixes. (“CALL”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS PORTION OF TAPE WAS TRANSCRIBED THE EVENING OF FEBRUARY 1ST. I UNDERSTOOD THIS MESSAGE TO SIGNIFY CALLING MY FATHER, SOMETHING I PLANNED TO DO AS PER HIS REQUEST IN HIS MOST RECENT LETTER.)
B: Michael wants you to see “Brother of Sleep.”
Q: Did you see it yet?
B: Yes.
Q: Where did you see it?
B: A Directors Guild special screening for the German Film Institute.
Q: And when did you see it? (“A FEW M”)
B: About a month ago.
Q: And what is it about?
B: It’s about a young boy who’s born in a city and all the people there think he’s the Antichrist. But he’s not. He’s actually a child prodigy who learns (“WOU”) how to play the organ in (“CHA”) religious ecstasies.
Q: My God, that’s the story of my life. (“I SSSSHHH”) Is he a twin?
B: Well, actually, I’m trying to remember. (“NO I DON’T”) No, I don’t think he’s a twin.
Q: Does he have a brother?
B: Ohhh. But he has a — (“I’M TRYING”) I’m trying to remember in the movie — he has a sister? Oh, no, there’s a young girl that loves him dearly yet they’re never fated to get together.
Q: No kidding.
B: Anyway, (“IT’S”) you’ll love it. It’s wonderful.
Q: I don’t have time to see the movie but I trust you.
B: You should definitely see “Brother of Sleep.” It’s probably going to win the Golden Globe. It’s directed by Joseph Vilsmaier. (“GAY”)
( . . . )
Q: Did you misplace your keys? (“SOMETIMES”) But did you misplace them for a little while?
B: No, I just put them down there. (“BUT”)
Q: That’s the theme of my book.
B: Misplaced keys?
Q: Total honesty.
B: Oh my God.
Q: What?
B: When I looked at that dirty comic book, I thought “Oh my God, this artist is totally honest with his own sick desires.”
Q: What do you mean?
B: Those illusions. (“THOSE” “THIS”) The pornographic fantasies were that artist’s true, sick desires.
Q: Well, of course they are. (“YEAH”) But he’s also channeling.
B: Ohhh God. (“PE”)
Q: People have got to be honest about sexuality. (“IT’S”)
B: People dealing with their animal instincts.
Q: It isn’t something — (“SSS”) right. Exactly.
B: Right. (“BUT”)
Q: But there’s nothing wrong with them, is there? (“NO”)
B: No. (“I MEAN”)
Q: I think it’s a fantasy, personally.
B: Of course. Everything’s a fantasy.
Q: I guess. Sex is definitely the most confusing area of my book. And I think it’s the most confusing area for most people.
B: Well, you haven’t done any research.
Q: Yes, I have. I worked in the (“PORNO”) porno magazine industry.
B: I know but research firsthand.
Q: I’ve had a little bit.
B: Michael wants you to have firsthand.
Q: Michael, that’s not true. He wants to save me for Him.
B: That’s right. (“UH-HUH YEAH”)
Q: Okay, bye.
B: Bye.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TAPED THE FOLLOWING AS I ENTERED MY CONDO BUILDING.)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) 4G83081 is the license number of this truck that’s parked in front of the condos. It says, “UNIQUE COTTON SAC CA FIBER FELT (CAL T 114425).” (“TA” S) Flashing lights. How great. (“UH-HUH”)
( . . . )
Q: It’s very difficult to be totally honest. (“UH-HUH”) But when you consider all the acts of love that we experience, it’s the least we can do. After all the acts of love that I have experienced and to still be dishonest—even in a narrow capacity—shows just how difficult it is to be entirely honest all the time. And even during the period when I’m sure Michael was angry with me He was still being kind to me — doing various things to make my life more comfortable.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING PORTION OF TAPE WAS RECORDED AT THE PHILOSOPHICAL RESEARCH SOCIETY ON SUNDAY, JANUARY 21ST WHEN GAY LUCE WAS THE GUEST LECTURER. THIS WAS TRANSCRIBED ON FEBRUARY 4TH. I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDED NEAR THE CONCLUSION OF AN EXERCISE IN WHICH THE AUDIENCE JOINED HANDS AND STARED AT THE PERSON SITTING NEXT TO THEM FOR SEVERAL MINUTES. I HAD BROUGHT MY EGYPTIAN PENDANT WITH ME.)
Q: You look just like a statue of the goddess Ishtar I have in my bedroom.
D: Really? (“UM-HUH”)
Q: What’s your name?
D: DeVona. (“OOH”)
Q: Divine. DeVona. (“ARE YOU”) Are you Obadiah’s wife or —
D: No. ([CLEARING THROAT] “UMUHHUHH” “JUST”)
Q: You happen to be sitting here. (“WHATEVER”) Isn’t that funny? (“NOBODY”) It’s uncanny. (“PISSED OFF”) You look just like the statue I got. And I just got it on Monday. (“ALRIGHT”)
D: Synchronicity.
Q: Exactly.
D: Or capital C coincidence. (“UM-HUH”)
Q: And what did you — (“FEEL AB” “NA NAY”)
D: Well, I can see an aura. (“DO YOU MIND IF I”)
Q: Can I interview you for my book? I’m writing a book.
D: Of course. (“UH-HUH” “UMMM”) Of course, you’re sitting between two ministers.
Q: Right.
D: A rabbi.
Q: Um-huh. (“HUN”)
D: There’s a lot of powerful energy in this room. (“IT’S BECAUSE OF ME”)
Q: Did you ever feel like you’re the reincarnation of a goddess? (“OR SOMETHING” “BITCH” “HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND”)
D: No, but I believe (“ASK HER FOR SOME MORE INFORMATION”) we’re each — (“NO”)
Q: Of course. (“YOU’RE GOD” “AH HUH”)
D: Beautiful — (“NINETY-THREE”) when I sat (“MARDUK HEARD US TODAY”) down with — this was my old rabbi (“PEW”) teacher here.
Q: Oh. (“WE’VE DONE SO MANY THINGS” “HE WAS IN THE”)
D: And when we were in ministerial school (“MARILYN MONROE’S HOME” “I WAS”) he was our teacher (“THE OLD TESTAMENT”) for The Old Testament. I just loved him. (“UM-HUH” “YEAH”)
D: And your eyes are the color of mine.
L: Maybe I can ask you a question or two about what happened here.
Q: Um-huh. (“DID YOU” “CUT IT OUT” “I CAN SEE A GREEK WATCHING HER”) What’s your last name too?
L: What kind of things —
D: Cox. (“ME AND MARK”)
L: — could you find out (“UM-HUH”) in talking to this person? (“OH” “OH” “DI”) What did you discover? (“OOLA” “PENNY” “FORTY-ONE” “PARDON ME” “FUCKING”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: ‘A’ DESIGNATES THE FIRST AUDIENCE MEMBER WHO COMMENTS.)
A: We’re both seeking.
L: You’re both seeking.
Q: We’ll, I’m in-between two ministers. (“FREEDOM”) And I thought she looked like a statue of the goddess Ishtar I have in my bedroom and her name is — (“ALRIGHT” “DE”)
D: DeVona.
Q: DeVona (“GOOD”) as in divine. (“WHAT IF” “GOOD”)
( . . . )
Q: Obadiah?
H: Um-huh.
Q: Did you do that (“A”) affirmation or did she do that?
H: At the end?
Q: No, in the beginning?
H: Oh, I did that.
Q: Could I use that in my book that I’m doing? (“THANK HIM”)
H: Sure, you can do that.
Q: Okay. Great. (“OKAY” “GREAT” “WHO IS” “DON’T MAKE ME DO IT HERE”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING WAS DIFFICULT TO TRANSCRIBE BECAUSE SPEAKERS IN THE BACKGROUND ARE AUDIBLE. ANY VOICES ATTRIBUTED IN THIS MANNER HAVE BEEN EDITED ALTHOUGH THERE ARE SOME SURPRISING PORTIONS OF CONVERSATION SUCH AS “I’M GOING TO PUNCH HIS FACE,” “ABOUT TO SET A PANIC” AND “SET UP OUR OWN BOSNIA SOME TIME.” SOME AUDIBLE BACKGROUND WORDS ACCOMPANIED BY SPIRIT MESSAGES HAVE BEEN INCLUDED AND ARE DESIGNATED ‘P.’)
Q: . . . Obadiah knows that I’m writing a book. (“YES”)
L: Um-huh.
Q: My name is Mark (“RA”) Russell Bell. (“YOU BITCH”)
L: Hello.
Q: And I’m sort of the American equivalent (“GREAT”) of Sai Baba but I’m a terrible underachiever. (“THOSE WHO DISCOVER” “SAY IT”) I am writing a book, (“LIKE”) though, about the New Age. (“VERY GOOD” “MARK”) But I just want to make one thing clear because (“THEY’LL RAPE YOU” “YEAH”) I intend to talk about your speech today in my book. (“PATTI”) I mean you did say a few times like “he’s showing us” (“ONE”) but, of course, that’s really (“THE FIRST”) what we say when we mean God.
L: True.
Q: Using (“OKAY”) “him” as a channel. (“LIKE REGAN”)
L: Sure. (“BITCH”)
Q: I just wanted to point that out (“MOTHER”) for when I talk about (“DISH”) your speech in my book. (“WHOA”)
L: Yeah.
Q: But, (“LOVE GOD LOVE A MAN”) in terms of miracles, (“ONE SUCH” “FOR FUCKING”) I think it’s more appropriate — (“BARRY”) like in my case (“I DON’T”) He doesn’t perform any miracles (“LISP”) around me. He just does things (“WHEN” “BITCH”) in a very natural, (“UH-HUH”) completely believable order.
L: That’s right. (“SURE IT’S HIM” “BITCH”)
Q: Because nobody would ever believe (“NO”) something would immediately appear in front of us. I mean you could tell them and they wouldn’t believe it. (“WHAT IS” “THE GOOSE”)
L: He’s done that in front of my face. (“HE HAS”)
Q: Well, He’s done that in front of my face too.
L: He’s made things right in front of my face.
Q: He’s done that too for — I mean God has done that for me. (“YOU’RE GOD”) However, for my book, He’s proving His existence in other ways.
L: Um-huh. Sure —
Q: For example —
L: — so that other people can understand it.
Q: Right. In ways that they can understand. Like when I go shopping —
L: Hmm.
Q: — I buy these fascinating antiquities. (“BEL-MARDUK YOU’RE FLAWLESS”)
L: Um-huh.
Q: Like the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant, Declaration of Independence —
L: Um-huh.
Q: — and this is how He’s going to try to show people (“ISIS”) that He’s (“THE LENGTH OF THE EARTH AND UNDER”) very intent (“OOOOON”) upon achieving (“BLAMELESS”) peace and love. (“YOU HAVE A NEW CONCERN THE BOOK”) So I’ve had the same experiences you had.
L: Um-huh.
Q: And it’s my assignment to write (“LIKE”) a New Age Testament.
L: Wonderful. I’ll look forward to that. (“SO”)
Q: But one of the things I do ([CLEARING THROAT] “UM-HUH”) in my book is when I meet (“KIMOSABE”) important people like yourself — like I did with the person (“NO”) sitting next to me. (“IS”) I asked her (“WHO”) they believe they’re close to (“POOR” “S R”) the energy of — or the reincarnation of in our time.
L: Hmm.
Q: And what is (“LIKE”) the first name that pops into your mind? (“BUT IT’S UP ABOVE”)
L: Well, (“US,” “YOU’RE A NUT”) it’s not the (“ROTTED” “RIGHT”) most obvious one but Asclepius. (“WHEAT”)
Q: I don’t even know who that is. (“THAT TAKES LUCK” “WHO’S”)
L: The god of healing (“GET A BOOK”) in ancient Greece. (“COME” “YOU’RE OWN GRANDDAUGHTER” “MRS. SATURIAN”)
Q: Well, you’ll have to see my book because a lot of people I meet do come up with these parallels. And I’m beginning to believe that they’re true.
L: Um-huh. (“HOW MUCH” “YOU LEARN”)
Q: So (“ASSOCIATE” “AND YOUR GOAL”) my book is entitled Testament. (“A UFO” “TIME”) I can’t decide if it’s Mark Russell Bell (“I’M THANKFUL”) or Marduk Russell Bel. (“GREAT”) Which one do you like? (“HOW MUCH”)
P: How much free will I actually have.
L: I think I like Mark.
Q: Okay. (“WACKADOO”)
P: What I think of any . . . (“DOOM”)
Q: Thank you so much. Nice meeting you. (“TRY YOUR LUCK FREE” “MEISTER”) Okay.
P: . . . set of circumstances . . . (“POINT BATTLE”)
( . . . )
Q: DeVona, can you believe it’s raining out now?
D: Oh no.
Q: It’s raining. It was sunny. It was like 75 or 80 when we came in. And now it’s raining.
D: Oh, for goodness sake. (“YOU KNOW I THOUGHT”) Maybe I said, “No, it’s not going to rain until late this afternoon or tonight.”
Q: Did they predict it?
D: Yeah, they predicted the rain tonight.
Q: But I thought it was sunny when we came in.
D: It was.
Q: Oh, well, I’ll see you later. Do you come every week or just this one time?
D: No, I come quite often.
Q: Okay. I do too.
D: What’s your name?
Q: Mark.
D: Mark, nice to meet you.
Q: Yes. Nice to meet you. (“PATTI HAMILTON”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS SECTION WAS TRANSCRIBED ON FEBRUARY 3RD JUST PRIOR TO THE PARTY WHERE I INTERVIEWED PATTI.)
D: My husband’s usually with me.
Q: Oh, okay. (“WHAT”) What’s wrong with him? (“WELL THAT COULD BE”) Or is he alright — (“NOTHING”)
D: Nothing. He’s a minister and hr’s speaking in Oklahoma city this morning.
Q: Ohhh. Really? (“TO BE INVITED”) I’ve been to Oklahoma. (“MAYBE VOODOO” “SOMEBODY”) Last (“YOU ASK FOR”) August. (“PLEASE MAKE LOVE TO ME”) The very end of August. Did you see that special? (“YOU’RE SPECIAL” “SOME”) “Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test” about an Oklahoma family? (BOING)
D: No. (“UH-HUH”) Uh-uh. (“DIANA”)
Q: Well, my book is (“WINNER”) in part about that. (“IN YOUR HEAD” “UM”) It turns out they (“DON’T”) have an Entity named Michael (“YEAH”) living with them. (“OFFBEAT”) And I do too. (“UH-HUH” “JEREMY”) So that’s one of the things my book is about. (“HIGH NOON”)
D: But you’re Mark. (“HMMM”)
Q: Right. (“HMMM” “WHEAT”) And I have a twin brother named Michael.
D: You do? (“NUT”) Are you an identical? (“YEAH”)
Q: Well, we think so. It wasn’t genetically checked.
D: Oh, well, you are then. When you look alike, you are. I have identical twin daughters. (“YEAH I” “COUGH IT UP”)
Q: You do? And what are their names?
D: Robin and Cathlin. (“UH-HUH” “SOUNDS GOOD” “GIVE HER A KISS”)
Q: That’s curious. (“YOUR PEN”) Again, what you said before — (“HELP ME” “VERY SER”) synchronicity.
D: They’re missionaries. (“JOHN HOCKNEY”)
Q: They are? (“YEAH” “OH”)
Q: Is it non-denominational or what church?
D: No, they’re (“I”) very narrow-minded fundamentalists. (“WE HAVE THAT” “OH REALLY”) And, of course, they think that (“JEFF DAHMER”) we being in metaphysics are just bound for hell and, of course, I believe if you don’t believe in hell you’re not going to hell. (“THAT’S RIGHT” “AMI”)
Q: Oh, of course. (“YOU’LL BE GOING WE’RE GOING”)
D: We’re going into another dimension. (“RIGHT” “SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT” “SPEAK”)
Q: Our Earth is a hell right now. (“OOH” “GREAT”) The way we made it. (“YES” “YOU KNOW”) So, no, well, (“ONE OF MY”) I hope that my book helps explain (“WE GO BACK TO EARTH”) that there is only one religion which is love. (“WILLIAM CAME OUT”)
D: Um-huh. God is love. (“EXACTLY” “SO THAT’S WHAT” “HOPE YOU KNOW”)
Q: The message I hope that the fundamentalists get — (“IF YOU PLAY THEM” “WHICH” “UM”) for example — (“ON THE ISSUE” “THEY WON’T” “CAUSE IT”)
D: They won’t read your book. (“THE BOOK’S WRITTEN” “BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE ALL THE BOOK” “UM-HUH”) None of them ever — (“WHAT’S HE MAD AT” “SOMEONE”) my children will not listen to me (“YOU DON’T SUCK”) or anything I have to say. (“HURRICANE MABUS” “UH-HUH”) I mean, they are creationists. (“MAKE THAT PHONE CALL”) They are (“GOOD AFTERNOON” “YOU’RE NOT”) about this broad — (“DO”) They (“UHH”) only believe in what they’re fed. (“IN A HAMMOCK” “ROTTEN” “I LOVE”)
Q: Your own children. (“OR ANYTHING”)
D: Yes. (“GO EASY ON THEM” “NO”) We all started out Episcopalian (“WHERE’S MY BABY?”) and I went one direction and they went the other. (“OH NO HOW MUCH NO”)
Q: So if your own children (“WON’T”) won’t listen to you, (“SIT BACK UP”) what hope do I have in (“GUIDING”) writing a book? (“OKAY”)
D: Write the book, anyhow. (“GOD WILL TAKE YOU THERE”) Many people —
Q: Oh, of course.
D: — of a like mind will read it.
Q: Exactly. And maybe, eventually, they’ll come around. (“MANY PEOPLE DON’T LIKE” “THE PLOT”) But I do deal with a lot of very sensitive — (“DEFEND IT RIGHT”) issues like abortion, (“LOOK IN THE ABBEY”) politics, (“HIDE”) the homeless. (“YOU DID THAT” “AND MICHAEL”)
D: You’re a writer? That’s all you do? (“NOW” “NO”) Is that what you do? (“HUH HUH HUH HUH HUH” “KISS ME”)
Q: Right now. (“UHHH” “STOP IT” “I’M”)
D: I’m a painter. (“COME TO THE DAIRY MICHAEL”) I mean —
Q: Oh. (“YEAH” “LMNO” “YEAH”)
D: — I was a minister and in —
Q: Yeah.
D: — Bridgeport. (“UP YOUR” “TEN YEARS FROM NOW”) I’m retired and I’m back to — I was a painting teacher for twenty years before — (“HANG IN THERE” “SO KILL MY SPIRIT” “ALL FREE IN THERE” “I” “AND I”)
Q: I do a little with acrylics. (“WE MEET THERE” “THERE WAS BLOOD ON YOU” “NO”) This Christmas (“I DID RUBBER”) I got rubber stamps with acrylic paints and put symbols (“YEAH BUT”) on my Christmas cards.
D: Oh, great. Great. (“YOU’RE COOL”)
Q: So I used — (“LIKE”) there was the trinity symbol — (“CAT HAIR”) and it was funny when I got them at the rubber stamp (“JACQUELINE”) place. (“THE THING” “YEAH” “YOU KNOW”) She didn’t think they looked like Christmas decorations (“FIND IT”) because she didn’t understand the symbolic meanings.
D: Um-huh. (“FRANK CAPRA” “BUT”)
Q: My pseudonym alone (“SHOCKING”) with the word Bell in it (“YOU DON’T COME USE THE PEW”) is very symbolic. (“WILL” “I MEAN”) I’m very symbolic. (“BOLIC” “UM-HUH”)
D: Um-huh. (“IT’S COMING”) What’s your last name? (“YEAH” “ABILITY”)
Q: My real last name (“THE YETI”) is Russell. (“NO”) But my pseudonym which was given to me is Bell. (“UM-HUH” “RIGHT”) And in terms of reincarnation, I might be the reincarnation of Bel-Marduk. (“WHAT’LL I DO”) Which sounds very eccentric. (“HOW WOULD YOU KNOW”) But I do have (“[PAST TENSE] READ ANYTHING”) an Egyptian medallion to prove it. (“BY BRING” “JUST LIKE MY”) You look like my statue. (“TOOTHPICK”) I look just like (“WHEN HE GOT HOME” “KING ARTHUR” “UH-HUH”) the god (Amun-)Ra. (“THIRTEEN” “GHOSTS —”) So (“— TIME”) there are these various — and I think that (“UM-HUH” “YOU KNOW”) gods and humans are the same thing. (“WE — LL —- LL”)
D: We are.
Q: Exactly. (“EXACTLY” “TODAY”)
D: Sat down (“WITH”) with my rabbi today. I knew he was going to be here and we haven’t seen each other. (“WE CAME”)
Q: What’s his name again? (“YOUR DEADLINE”)
D: Rabbi (“WHAT IS IT IS IT”) Lyshoul (“NUTS” “I DON’T KNOW”) Philouti.
Q: And spell that.
D: I can’t.
Q: Oh, okay. Well, I’ll spell it phonetically. (“LIKE”)
D: Lyshoul. (“IN A MAN’S” “GIVE UP” “BOUTIQUE” “WOMEN” “FOR THAT TIME”) But (“COULD HE HAVE DONE” “FUCK ME IN A SHOWER ROOM”) he was the harshest metaphysical, (“NO VISIBLE” “SACRED HEART”) protesting teacher. (“BE MORE CREATIVE”)
Q: “Wow.” (“GET A NEW CAR”)
D: And (“EXACTLY AND HE”) he lived — (“HE LOVED A”) he went (“MOUNTAIN”) to school in Israel (“NO”) and was taught by Martin Guber. (“HE’LL WRITE” “YOU’RE GOING TO TRAVEL”) And then he (“THEY’LL PROBABLY ASK”) met —
Q: You know all these people have —
D: — in a temple in India for two years and so he’s very holistic. He is very metaphysical. He is a mystic. I saw (“HATE”) a healing take place in Kansas. Miraculous.
Q: So Sai Baba isn’t the only one. (“UH-UH”)
D: You’re all.
Q: Exactly. (“ATONE” “COME LIKE THAT”)
D: He just (“COME ON NO”) knows how to use it. (“YOU NEED TO CALL” “THE RUSH” “WITH GOD AS A WHOLE”)
Q: And he knows how to recognize it too.
D: Manly Hall was (“HIS”) certainly a mystic.
Q: Well, you know, that’s funny because (“BEAUTIFUL”) I have a genealogist looking into my family. The first one she gave me (“I STILL HAVE THE DOCUMENT”) did have the name Hall in it. And it did have the name Young in it. (“SHE’S TRYING TO SPARE YOU”) But now that she knows (“WAA — AH — AH”) it’s for publication (“GAVE YOU” “COMING OUT” “UH-HUH”) she’s being very careful to show (“SHE OWE”) exact lineage. (“GOOD FOR YOU”) So I’m not quite sure any more if I am cousins of both but I probably am. (“REALLY” “PROPERTY”) It would explain a lot. (“WE’RE ALL” “RIGHT”) We’re all from Adam and Eve. (“YEAH”) Unfortunately.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NAME: I WAS MISTAKEN ABOUT THE NAME HALL APPEARING IN A PREVIOUS VERSION OF MY FAMILY TREE. IT APPEARED MANY TIMES ON THE PAGES SENT TO ME BY MY UNCLE WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY DIRECT BLOOD TIE.)
D: No, we’re all carbon.
Q: Carbon? Right.
D: Everything on Earth — in the Earth is carbon.
Q: And there’s so little carbon, you know, in the round —
D: No, carbon. (“OH”) Like diamond.
Q: Right. Carbon. (“UH-HUH”)
D: That’s why we’re all stardust. (“YEAH”) Because we’re all made of carbon. Everything on earth is.
Q: Right. Well, last week, you heard that lecture — (“UH-HUH” “LAST WEEK ABOUT” “WELL”)
D: Yeah, I did, and I went (“HOW”) to him — (“FOR THE”) three lectures. (“I LIKE YOU”)
Q: Oh, you did?
D: Yeah. (“WHAT”)
Q: Sum them up for me because I did not go. (“BUT I LIKE THOUGH WHAT I JUST SAW”)
D: Oh, for goodness sakes, I couldn’t.
Q: Oh really? (“REALLY”) No overlying impression or —
D: That we’re all one, of course.
Q: Right.
D: And (“HA”) he’s a very brilliant (“HAWK”) person who stretches your mind (“NO NOT AGAIN” [LIKE MONKEY] “HOO HOO HAA” “UH-HUH”) just like a rubber band. (“THINKING ABOUT”) I enjoyed him very much. (“THE PERSON SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT IS WATCHING” “I’M — HE” “HE MET”) He’s going to be the (“LIKE A MONSTER”) professor in residence (“BUT WHY DO I KNOW YOU”) here for a year. (“YEAH”)
Q: Right.
D: So in two months (“NO MA’AM” “CALL A LIMO”) then he’ll (“PLAY”) teach another (“HE’S NUTS”) three (“THAT RUMOR”) classes. (“CONSUL” “AND THEY’RE ONLY”) They’re only (“COME TO THE”) $10 (“THAT’S TOO MUCH” “A SSS” “PARTY”) a session. (“WAS AWFUL” “YOU HAVE SEEN IT” “AT AND IS” “JUNKIE”)
Q: Yeah, he’s definitely (“NO”) giving back (“WHILE HE EVEN TALKS ABOUT”) to society —
D: Oh, yes.
Q: — the gifts of love that he himself has had. (“A LOT MORE ARE COMING TO HIM” “HE REALLY LOOKS OUT”)
D: Um-huh.
Q: Like we all should do. (“HE’LL DESERVE” “SIDDHARTHA”) But (“I CAN” “TAKE A BREAK” “FLOSS OVER”) I know — did he talk about doing the mathematics for the bomb? (“GOES HERE”)
D: No, he (“DOES NOT”) does not like to talk about that. (“SOMETIMES”) He doesn’t talk about that. (“OH YEAH”)
Q: Um-huh. (“HE’S WORKING”) I’m not even sure (“YOU KNOW HE”) which bomb it was. (“YEAH”)
D: Oh, I don’t know if H-bomb or A-bomb. (“IT’S”) The one Teller developed.
Q: Oh, okay.
D: Because he did all the math (“WHO DID”) for Teller. (“BRIAN”)
Q: Right. Is that, like, in the movie “Fat Man And Little Boy”?
D: And Oppenheimer. (“SUSPIRIA”)
Q: Right. Yeah. (“SOMEONE GETS A NEW HOUSE” “HE LOOKED UGLY”) There was a Paramount film (“I DID THE PRESS KIT” “COVER MY WRINKLED HAND” “AND DOUG”) called (“ROTTED”) “Fat Man And Little Boy.” (“HOW’S HE BEEN” “CALL LARRY” “DOUGLAS” “DID YOU DREAM LAST NIGHT”) So (“FOR A CAMEL INNORWAY”) it’s interesting to see how these things all link up. (“THAT HIT THE SPOT” “YOU’D LIKE TO HEAR CONAN” “RIGHT AWAY”)
D: Everything links up. (“OH YEAH” “PACIFIC”)
Q: Exactly. Well, you can — (“SUCK ‘EM” “I KNOW”) you’ll be able to read about all this (“HORSESHIT”) in my second book (“CALL”) if not my first book. (“NO THIS” “MOVE YOUR CHAIR”) Well, this lady has (“YOU PROBABLY KNOW”) an Egyptian (“UH-HUH” “CALL ME BACK”) medallion (“REPUTATION”) on too.
O: Here I am. I went on the Egyptian tour. (“AND SHE LIKED IT”)
Q: What is this? (“BEAUTIFUL”) Wow.
D: It’s a cartouche. (“HAVE YOU SEEN IT” “SMILE”)
Q: Right.
O: With my (“GIVE THE BOOK TO ANYONE” “AT WORK” ALARM) name.
D: Your name? (“LAURA” “IN HIEROGLYPHIC”)
O: Uh-huh. (“UNIQUE”)
Q: What is your name? (“I’M SURE TO GET THAT FOR YOU” “WELL IT’S”)
O: It says ‘Lady Mo.’ (“SHE’S A DUMB BLONDE”) My name is Mo. (“WE KNEW THAT”) I go by Lady Mo. People call me Lady Mo. (“SHELLEY BERMAN”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS ACTOR WAS ONE OF THE CLIENTS WHEN I WORKED AT THE RUTH WEBB AGENCY.)
(“YOU’LL LIKE IT FINE”)
Q: Um-huh. That’s your real name? (“WHATEVER”)
O: No. Maureen’s my real name. (“PUT” “WHAT IS YOUR NAME” “ALL THE TIME”)
Q: And last name? (“CALL SARAH MILES”)
O: Green.
Q: Green. Okay. (“GO AHEAD”)
O: As the color. (“HAVE MIKE DO IT”) But I went on the (“CASABLANCA”) trip to Egypt that, (“HE KNOWS”) you know, was for PRS and Noetic Society.
Q: Ooh, okay. (“ALLLLLL” “YOUR SLIDE’S GOOD”) Right.
O: It was (“HANDSOME”) the most wonderful trip.
D: I bet.
O: The bonding of the people was incredible. (“OOH” “HE’S LOOKING AFTER YOU”) On the airplane it started. (“KNOWING WHAT I THINK”) When we got to New York, everybody got off at — our group (“THE GROUP” “BIG TRUCK”) — so they could clean the plane. (“TORA”) We were all walking around talking to one another. (“STAY”) It was incredible. (“YOU MIGHT GET DEMI” “FRENCH KISS”) And (“INTERESTED IN COMING OUT”) Fadel Gad — have you seen him when he’s here? (“SHE’LL READ IT WHEN SHE’S READY” “SHE’LL CALL” “I CAN” “LET HIM” “MOVE THE DATE”)
Q: No.
O: He’s an archaeologist —
Q: Not yet.
O: Okay. (“UM”) He’s talked here a few times on Egypt. (“BOOK”) And that’s really where I got interested (“STEPHEN KING”)
D: Ahhhh.
O: — in just the metaphysical. (“SAND BLOCK”)
Q: Um-huh.
O: And so (“HE SAID TWENTY-NINE”) he said he could not (“BRINGING”) believe this group. (“OVER ONCE”) He’s never (“DISNEY”) had a group like this. (“SEE” “LIAR”) And when we would talk about (“YOU’RE SO LOGICAL”) some of the things that happened to us, we all seemed to have (“THINGS WE CAN DO NOW”) some kind of spiritual thing that happened. (“TWISTED NECK”) Like, just for instance, (“WE’RE THROUGH” “HEY MISTER”) I was on top of one of the ruins. We all had radios (“WAIT FOR ME”) and he could put us on (“I FORESEE” “DEADLINE”) station and talk to us. (“OH YEAH”) So we could roam around (“UM-HUH”) and lay down or sit up or what we want. So I’m just standing there and I’m listening (“BLUE HAT”) when he starts talking. (“YOU WILL FIND”) I hear this beautiful music. (“NO”) And I’m sort of looking around. (“THAT SHIRT” “VALUE COUPON” “YEAH” “REALLY”) You’re sort of hearing (“TIME”) but you’re not quite with it (“SOME TALK”) because you’re sort of awed (“NO” “YOU NEED A SECRETARY”) by where you are — (“SUNDAY SCANDAL”) 5,000 years old (“BEHAVE”) and you’re standing there (“PEOPLE” “LOIS CAUGHT UP”) next to the Nile — (“CROWN OF THORNS”) just incredible thoughts. (“UM-HUH”)
Q: Um-huh. (“SUCKING MY”) And then I heard these children’s (“MANY BOYS” “DADDY”) voices. (“QUIT TALKING TO”) Boys and girls — children — (“FINE RIGHT HERE”) start singing (“KID BROKE AN ARM” “UH-HUH”) “Amazing (“MY ONLY GRANDSON”) grace —” (“GET A BOOK”)
D: (small laugh)
Q: Hmmh.
O: “— how great —” and I (“LOOK”) look over. (“AT ME” “I DON’T KNOW” “MYSTERIUM”) I don’t know — starting to look around at people. (“AND I THINK”) What if [LIKE A CARTOON CHARACTER] UH-OH”) I meet anybody? (“DUCK” “DUCK” “I’M DAD”) You know — a radio that can — (“BE” “YOU’RE DAD”) putting this out. (“EXACTLY”)
O: I somehow touched something (“MY EUPHORIA”) that for me was very personal. (“HE’LL HAVE TO DO” “I’LL SEE TOMORROW” “YEAH”) And I was hearing this. (“YOU CAN COLLECT”) Other people just “MARK”) heard little things and had (“AND HAD YOU” “GO FIND IT”) moving experiences that they were sharing (“I” “WHO WAS”) that you just couldn’t believe. (“EXCELLENT TIME”) Did you learn anything about the god Ra or Bel-Marduk? (“NADA” “DID I KNOW”) Anything about them? (“SOME LOOK”)
O: Well, only from a historical — (“YOUR UNCLE”)
Q: Right.
O: — viewpoint. (“WHAT IS IT”) Yes. There was a very (“MUCH”) lot of talk about past. (“AND THEY TOLD ME WHO” “PLEASE DON’T GIVE UP” “BOO”)
Q: Just in one line can you? (“HA HA” “THE BITCH”)
O: No, I honestly can’t because, —
Q: (small laugh) (“SACRILEGE”)
O: — you know, in those days —
Q: Any pictures? Did you see any pictures of him?
O: Oh yes. (“OH YEAH”)
Q: Do I look like him? (“WHY HER”)
O: Do you look like him? (“THAT’S POSSIBLY HIM”)
Q: From a profile? (“WITHOUT SIDEBURNS” “YEAH” “THEY CAN” “WISH THE BOYS” “COME HERE” “UM”)
D: Nice profile.
O: Well, I’d say the nose was probably a little bit straighter but the —
Q: Um-huh.
O: — small nose like — (“I WISH”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: TAPE #54, SIDE #1 ENDS HERE.)
