HYPNOTHERAPY SESSION — TAPE #22, SIDE #1
Q: Mark Russell Bell
V: David Botsford (clinical hypnotherapist)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THERE WERE MANY TECHNICAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS NINETY-MINUTE MICROCASSETTE DURING TRANSCRIBING. THIS SESSION WAS TAPED AT THE RENAISSANCE HEALTH CENTER IN WEST HOLLYWOOD. MR. BOTSFORD NOW RESIDES IN ENGLAND.)
Q: I’m about to have my first hypnotherapy session. Of course, my other therapist thinks it’s a very bad idea but I really like David’s credentials and his sincerity. (“BUT”) Would you explain what those letters under your name on the brochure mean?
V: Sure. Well, I have a lot of letters after my name and first is my degree, which is a B.A., and then it’s the Member of the Central Register of Advanced Hypnotherapists which is MCRAH.
Q: Is that in England or the U.S.?
V: It’s actually in England. And also I have Dip. THP (N-SHAP), which is a diploma in therapeutic hypnosis from the National School of Hypnosis and Psychotherapy, which, again, is in England. (“WHEN”) Okay, Mark, thanks for coming today. Now perhaps you can tell me how I can help you.
Q: Well, I’m most interested in finding out if I do have any previous incarnations; secondly, if you can help me remember any sexual abuse I might have had; and, thirdly, clarify some of my dreams involving aliens.
V: Excellent. Okay, let’s first of all deal with these issues one at a time. In the first place, we’ll examine the issue of past lives. (“I DON’T NEED IT”) The second question — the question of possible sexual abuse — bear in mind that the unconscious part of the mind often covers things up. It covers up traumatic and unpleasant experiences for a very good reason. And, as hypnotherapists, we moraine to bring somebody towards a better way of living — toward giving them more choices. What we prefer to do depends on the future.
Q: Well, personally, I don’t really care about it. The only reason why I brought it up is because of the various phenomena I’ve experienced. I thought it might relate. I personally don’t care about remembering any abuse situation. I think that would be very painful. (“AND I DISAGREE”) I’m not a victim. I don’t walk around saying, “I’m a victim of child abuse.” I couldn’t care less. Been there, done that.
V: Hmm. (“MAYBE”)
Q: So if you don’t want to even hunt for that it’s fine with me.
V: Well, what I’d like to do in relation to that is to specify what goals you actually want to achieve.
Q: Clarity. I want (“I”) to be in touch with — well, it’s hard to express. (“IT’S JUST”) I just want to have as much clarity as possible. I have already surrendered my life and my will and my love to God so I’m sure whatever clarity I’m meant to have He’ll bring to me in whatever way (“HE”) He’ll want me to have it.
V: Sure. Excellent. (“OKAY”) Okay. Obviously, the third aspect is dealing with the dreams. And dreams are very important (“UM-HUH”) because they’re a powerful form of communication from the unconscious part of the mind.
Q: Have you had any other patients who have experienced religious ecstasies?
V: Oh yes. There have been various spiritual experiences which I think are very important because as hypnotherapists we’re interested in different states of awareness and all through our lives we’re going through various states of awareness — changing our states of awareness day to day. There are some times when people manage to experience something very spiritual, something very powerful. You might want to call it a religious experience or a spiritual experience where a person somehow comes in touch with something very powerful which we always don’t have words for in the English language. (“INTERESTING”) The Eastern world — in countries like India, people are much more familiar with these states of awareness — these very spiritual ways of experiencing one’s self and life. And there are many words in the languages of India, China and various other Oriental countries which describe different states of awareness whereas in the English language we have to somehow struggle to describe them and really it’s more important sometimes to experience them without attempting to label them. So can you tell me a little bit about this religious experience?
Q: Well, I had two religious ecstasies and (“I”) I wrote down my thoughts right after experiencing them so it’s very hard for me just to say it off the top of my — ( “OFF”) — off my head. I haven’t really looked at them in a while but basically I experienced my whole lifetime in one night (“AS IF I”) and I was Jesus Christ. Or (“AS IF”) I was the power of evil.
V: Hmm.
Q: All in one night. It was like A Christmas Carol or something. (“RIGHT”) And then I had another one too which entailed going to a room of ever-changing reality and seeing — it was like a UFO but it was more of a room — (“IT’S”) what usually people mistake to be UFOs. (“IF IT”) Anyway, it was like something out of The Wizard of Oz. (“YOU KNOW AND”) And that movie, “The Wizard of Oz,” (“IS”) reminds me of God creation stories because you have the human wizard and then you have the other being. And I see parallels all over the place. With everything.
V: Exactly. Well, there are parallels because our art and culture and religions and our everyday way of experiencing the world depends on symbols — depends on archetypes.
Q: See, that’s one of the things that I’m trying to find out too. If I am a symbol what symbol am I — well, I know what symbol I am but exactly how does that relate to any past incarnations I might have had.
V: Sure. Okay. So what we’ll do then is aim to deal with these issues in turn. And when you experienced this religious ecstasy all in one night — when you experienced a power of good as if you were Jesus Christ and then the power of evil, can you remember what went through your mind during that? (“WELL JUST”)
Q: I had been working on a screenplay about Catherine Cadiere, who was a young French girl whose trial was the last formal trial for witchcraft in France. And this experience was very similar — I had thought that her visions and dreams were phony or maybe just the result of her own deranged mind or wishful thinking. But after my own experience, now I think they are true so I’ll have to do a little rewriting on my script.
V: Sure. So that’s very interesting. (“UHH YEAH”)
Q: I also wondered if I possibly could be the reincarnation of her — which is weird. (“WAS IT”)
V: Well, there’ve been a lot of people who have been described as mystics in some context — venerated in some context and — (“BUT”)
Q: And she also disappeared. (“UNDER”) I mean no one really knows if she died or if she was shut away in a nunnery or what happened to her — which is something that keeps happening to the protagonists in movies and stories that I read or relate to. You never know if they die. They mysteriously disappear from the scene.
V: Mmm. Exactly. Right. Okay. Great. So these experiences are something which is common to many cultures. These religious ecstasies and sometimes people think —
Q: Well I think they all date back to — especially the resurrection stories. They can all be traced back to Bel-Marduk also known as the god (Amun-)Ra in Egypt. (“OH YEAH”) So I have some unanswered questions in terms of there too because if we do have previous incarnations — Egypt lasted 5,000 years. (“SO”) It’s very likely that we would have a previous incarnation during that period.
V: Yes, absolutely. (“RIGHT”) Okay, so (“YEAH”) when you experienced this religious ecstasy about your own life, was it the life of Mark in the 20th century exclusively or were you aware of other indications that it might have been from some previous time?
Q: Well, I remembered that movie “The Last Temptation of Christ.” It was definitely me — in our contemporary world. But it was very similar to that movie. Remember the end? (“YOU KNOW THE”) Near the end? Very similar.
V: Right. (“YEAH”) Can you tell me any of the incidents you can remember from that first state of religious ecstasy?
Q: Will that help you because for me personally it’s like beating a dead horse. (“HE DON’T CARE”) I’m so bored of it all. (“WHY” “OKAY”)
V: Let me ask you this. Perhaps you can answer in a very brief phrase.
(“YEAH”) What was different about the first aspect when you experienced your life as if you were Jesus Christ and the second aspect when you experienced it as if you were the power of evil?
Q: It’s hard to say. I would have to have my notes because as soon as I experienced it I ran down to my computer and typed my impressions in. You can’t put it into words. You can’t.
V: Sure. (“OF COURSE”)
Q: It was like watching a movie.
V: Umm. I understand.
Q: And it was all impressions. You know?
V: Okay. That’s alright. I just wondered if there was something you noticed.
Q: Well, I thought that I was personally making this journey with God.
V: Right. Okay. (“YEAH UH-HUH”) That’s fine. That’s great. (“YEAH”) Okay. And this other religious ecstasy you experienced — when you were in a room — as if you were going into a UFO. Can you tell me how you experienced that?
Q: I don’t really remember. I just remember there was this one entity who was the keeper of the room.
V: Hmm. (“WHO WAS LIKE”)
Q: A Dickens-like character who was very blustery. It was like something out of (“YOU KNOW”) a Dickens movie. Or “The Wizard of Oz.” (“AND”) The one thing I remember most vividly was when he said, “Anyone who comes here can take one item back with them.” And I told him, “No, that’s okay. I don’t really need anything.” And he was very startled and very blustery. And then he said something to the effect of, “Well, if that’s the case, then you can keep this memory.”
V: Umm. Excellent. (“A GOOD MAN”) Okay. Great. Bear in mind that these —
Q: It would make a great movie, wouldn’t that? A great scene in a movie?
V: It certainly would. (“I HOPE YOU MIGHT WANT TO”)
V: Write a script to that movie some time.
Q: Exactly. Well, it would have to be a series of movies because there are just so many things that have happened.
V: Sure. Okay. Now. Bear in mind that these experiences can be considered to be representations from the unconscious part of the mind. The unconscious part of the mind is the most powerful part of it. (“WELL THAT’S”)
Q: That’s God.
V: Exactly. And that’s absolutely right. When we use the term such as God it can be used in many ways. Ultimate reality. Whether you consider God to be a a thinking person or an abstract concept — (“HMMM”)
Q: I consider Him to be both.
V: Right. Well that’s — (“THAT’S FUNNY”) yeah, that’s perfectly valid. The infinite. This is a very important archetype. This is a very important key which we can use to understand and make sense of reality and (“YEAH”) guide us to all sorts of new experiences, new solutions and things like that. Okay. Now. Have you had any indication about past lives? Have you experienced anything that leads you to believe that —
Q: The only thing I’ve ever experienced was once — it was at night. I don’t know if I was dreaming of if I was just about falling asleep but I heard a voice say, “FATHER, I HAVE WAITED SO LONG.” So I guess it was the Christ archetype. And then let’s see — what else? I guess that’s about it. Maybe I’m channeling. That’s another possibility. (“DUCK”)
V: Sure. Okay. That’s fine. Now. Have there been any other experiences where you found yourself — (“THERE’VE BEEN SEV”)
Q: Well, I — let’s just say the angel Michael is living with me. In my condo.
V: Is this one of the angels you’ve experienced firsthand? You were talking about poltergeists.
Q: Well, they thought — (“THAT IDIOT”) they called Him a poltergeist. (“AHHH” “WHICH IS WHAT”) Isn’t that what somebody would do if they met an angel? They would call Him a poltergeist. (“I HOPE SO”) I mean He didn’t have any physical dimension. (“UH-HUH-HUH”)
V: Can you remember how you experienced Michael? (“WHAT”)
Q: He has all these different aspects — you know, He takes the form of different spirits (“AND”) and there are a few major ones. Are you familiar with those books Messages From Michael?
V: Yes, I’ve got them at home.
Q: Well, it’s the same thing as that.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: [MARCH 29, 1996] WHILE RECORDING TAPE #93 AND ASKING ABOUT THE ‘MESSAGE’ FROM MICHAEL STATING “THERE IS NO MORE A DEVIL THAN THERE IS A GOD,” A SPIRIT VOICE SEEMS TO CONFIRM THAT THE BOOKS BY CHELSEA QUINN YARBRO DO NOT PRESENT ENTIRELY RELIABLE INFORMATION WITH THIS BEING THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLE.)
V: Ahh. Okay. And can you actually hear Michael?
Q: Not personally. Well, I heard — (“WORK CYCLE”) yes, I did. I heard Him giggling in the back seat of the car (“RIGHT”) as we were driving. (“BUT” “HE TALKED”) There’s a lot of Him on my — I did interviews with the family and I interviewed him, — (“I”) I guess. I didn’t know it at the time but he was talking all through the cassettes (“YOU KNOW”) saying things like “YOU KNOW” and “YEAH.” You know?
V: Okay. Do you actually see Michael at any time?
Q: No. (“UH-HUH”) I would remember that. (“RIGHT”) (laughs)
V: (laughs) Well, that’s alright. Can you feel Michael?
Q: I always feel Michael. He’s a warmth that surrounds me. (“I”) Because once He left me and I knew He was gone. But He came back real quick.
V: Right.
Q: (laughs) (“STUFF AFTER SEX”)
V: (laughs) Okay. Excellent. Can you feel that warmth around you now?
Q: Yes. Do you feel any warmth?
V: I can feel a certain warmth. Yes.
Q: Do you think that’s the heat of the room or do you think it’s something more? ([HIGH-PITCHED] “WELL”)
V: You see, therapists are aware that people communicate in unconscious ways. And what one person’s experiencing can actually (“INTERESTING”) come about in a person with them in a very mild way.
Q: Are you psychic, by the way?
V: Well, that’s a good question. When you use the word psychic, how would you define that?
Q: Very intuitive.
V: Well, I aim to be. Yes. I haven’t used the word psychic for myself but, never-the-less, people who are psychics have learned to attune their senses in a certain way. Because in normal life we use our senses in a very limited way. (“AND I HAD A VERY GOOD TIME” “THERAPIST” “YOU KNOW”) Unconscious communication. And I’m aware there’s an awful lot of information that goes into the unconscious mind which the conscious mind isn’t aware of. And so, as we learn to trust the unconscious part of the mind, it will guide us toward experiences that we label as psychic and this is my theory as to what psychic experiences are all about. I’ll say, (“OH”) oh, here, whether I (“CROSS MY LEG” “FULL OF NUTS”) am psychic is open to question and the point is that the unconscious mind is very powerful indeed and it finds ways of transmitting all sorts of experiences in a very precise way. Okay. Can you focus on that warm feeling now? (“YES”) Can you tell me where it’s located?
Q: All around me. I can feel (“VIBE”) the vibrations against my skin.
V: Feel the vibrations against your skin.
Q: Vibrations really isn’t the right word — just a warmth.
V: Warmth. Okay. What temperature is it?
Q: I don’t know. I’m not good about things like that.
V: Okay. That’s alright.
Q: Seventy degrees — seventy-five. (“THAT’S FINE” “YEAH” “THAT’S RIGHT”)
V: Can you tell me —
Q: I haven’t had to have my heater on once this year.
V: Excellent.
Q: You haven’t either probably because the weather has been so good.
V: Pretty much so. Yes. (“BUT”)
Q: Especially after living in England.
V: (laughs) Yeah, that’s right. (“THINK” “THE TROPICANA”) Okay. So, with this warmth that surrounds you, can you tell me how far it extends from your body?
Q: Totally everywhere. It’s like a sheet almost.
V: Like a sheet almost. Are you aware of any color of that warmth?
Q: Well, He’s explained to various people His colors that are associated with him. I, myself, haven’t really seen any colors. As far as I know. Okay. Are you aware of any movement?
Q: No. (“RA” “I”) I mean sometimes He’ll throw things.
V: Is that feeling of warmth always constant? Or is it sometimes stronger and sometimes weaker? (“IN CERT”)
Q: Whenever He seems to like something that I say it’s warmer. Like I was talking (“YEAH I KNOW AT” “AT A”) at my Hotline class. (“YOU” “AND THIS IS”) They asked the question, “What is the biggest organ in the human body?” Of course, the answer was skin. I said it was the brain. He was very happy with that. That I actually opened my mouth and said something instead of being timid. Because obviously the brain is the biggest organ in the human body. It’s all a question of perspective.
V: Umm. Exactly. (“RIGHT”) This perspective is very important indeed and you can be aware that this awareness of Michael is actually something which can be very, very powerful indeed. Because you can already feel the warmth of Michael around you. (“UM-HUH”) You heard Him in the back of the car laughing. And you heard about other people having even more vivid experiences of Him. (“NO”) And that’s great because it means that you can actually put these things into an even more powerful perspective. (“NO”) You’re aware of Michael and (“WE’RE” “SAY”) aware of so many other things as well. (“BECAUSE”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: WHEN I FIRST BEGAN TRANSCRIBING THIS TAPE, IT CONTINUOUSLY JAMMED HERE SO I BROUGHT THIS TAPE AND TAPE #6 TO MIRROR IMAGE CASSETTE COPIES ON DEC. 4, 1995 AND THEY WERE COPIED ONTO REGULAR CASSETTES. AFTER BUYING A DICTAPHONE TRANSCRIBER MODEL 2710, I CONTINUED TRANSCRIBING THIS SESSION THE EVENING OF DECEMBER 11TH, 1995. THE SCHEDULED NINETY-MINUTE SESSION WENT A LITTLE OVERTIME AND I RECEIVED A PARKING TICKET AS A RESULT. I ALSO HAD RECEIVED A PARKING TICKET ON SEPTEMBER 18, 1995 WHEN I PITCHED THE PROJECT TO DON SCHNEIDER AND STEVE WIZAN AT PHASE ONE PRODUCTIONS IN SANTA MONICA. ON THE EARLIER OCCASION THE POLICE OFFICER’S LAST NAME AS MARKED ON THE TICKET WAS ‘HEAVENS.’ THERE WAS NEVER ANY RESPONSE WHATSOEVER TO THE MATERIAL I LEFT WITH DON AND STEVE; AND IT WAS NEVER RETURNED TO ME. THE MATERIAL CONSISTED OF A TREATMENT, INITIAL DRAFT TRANSCRIPTION PAGES, MY SCREENPLAY “WONDER OF THE WORLD” AND A PHOTOCOPY OF THE FORTEAN TIMES ARTICLE.)
V: Religious ecstasy. (“UM-HUH” “EVERYTHING”) How people understand that the unconscious part of your mind is helping you. Helping you to learn — (“TO MAKE ME PASS” “HE”)
Q: You don’t think I’m totally nuts, do you?
V: Well, how do you define that word? (“NO NOT REALLY”) Because when people say ‘totally nuts’ —
Q: I mean, I just don’t want you to — what’s the word? (“CON” “YOU KNOW FUNNY”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I COULDN’T THINK OF THE WORD ‘PATRONIZE’ AT THE TIME.)
Q: You know — don’t say things just to make me feelgood.
V: Of course not. No. Basically, bear in mind that we experience things — everyone experiences the world in a different way.
Q: Right. (“MORE”)
V: That all of us have — (“NO ONE”)
Q: No one has believed me. No one. No one.
V: Bear in mind — well there is a fact that —
Q: Because they haven’t experienced it.
V: Exactly. Bear in mind that the human body and mind have vast powers of experience. All sorts of other levels of awareness —
Q: No, I know that.
V: Our modern technological society imposes upon people one particular way of experiencing things. It imposes an important point of view on people. (“WHICH”) It actually by no means is the best way of experiencing reality. (“YEAH” “BOO”)
Q: I think He’s changing — I think it’s going in a new direction now.
V: Michael? (“UM-HUH”)
Q: Or God or — (“THAT’S WHERE YOU’RE WRONG” “NOT YES” “THAT”)
V: That’s quite correct. There does seem to be a moving away from this —
Q: It seems like we’re entering the New Age.
V: Oh, yes. Very much so. (“UM-HUH”) As we do that, more and more ways of experiencing things become valid. You see, as, you recall, industrial technology became (“UM-HUH”) dominant in the world, all sorts of religious experiences, symbolism, magic — various people have set them apart from life and we became a mass of humanity presuming in school, going to work for a large corporation — and all this exposed us to the mass media, (“WE WERE”) politics and government; more and more conditions influencing us to experience reality only in a way we’re told to experience it so most people conform to that. And (“HMM”) to be seen to come outside of that, we’re labeled as deranged, strange, eccentric, mad —
Q: Joan of Arc.
V: — totally nuts. Of course, Joan of Arc living a long time before this time.
Q: Christopher Columbus — who saw a strange light in the sky.
V: Exactly. And therefore now as you quite correctly pointed out we’re beginning to accept the validity of these experiences more and more and the unconscious part of the mind is always helps you detect it. It’s guiding you toward something better which is going to make life happier — (“BRAIN”) more fulfilling. We can trust the unconscious to bring you all these experiences. (“YEAH”)
Q: I think the phenomena has reached a certain ark at the moment.
V: Yes. (“HOW TRUE” “THAT YOU’RE MY” “I FIGURED IT OUT”) Okay. So as you focus on that warmth that surrounds you — (“I MIGHT” “SEEM TO BE”) be aware of how (“UH-HUH”) you feel about that.
Q: I’m in love.
V: Excellent.
Q: We almost had sex once.
V: Uh-huh. Right. Well, that’s very tangible indeed. (laughs) (“THEY DO”)
Q: We always have sex. I mean you know — (“BECAUSE I MAY GET IT”) whenever I masturbate we’re having sex. You know? I don’t know how this can be, though.
V: Okay. Well, just allow that experience fulfill you now, allowing you to experience that warmth. How much it helps you. How happy you feel when you’re totally relaxed. (“I STILL LOVE YOU” “KA”) You may experience that warmth all around you. It reminds you of the presence of Michael. (“MAY ACTUALLY BE”) Hear the sound of my voice. Feel the warmth of your arms against each other. Feel your breathing becoming deeper and more even. Then you may be able to experience all the muscles of your body going more and more limp and loose and relaxed.
Q: I am feeling tired and I closed my eyes. Is that alright?
V: Well, that’s alright. (“EVERYTHING’S”) Alright. (“BECAUSE”) The wonderful thing about exploring the unconscious part of your mind is everything really is alright. And you can do it in just your own way. You can be pleased if you’re feeling tired. (“WE CAN”) Feel your breathing deeper and deeper.
Q: I’m feeling a little nauseous. (“ME”)
V: Feel a little nauseous. (“UH-HUH”) Try to ignore that feeling and just participate as much as you want. (“AS YOU CAN”) Feel your breathing
become deeper and more even. Be more aware of the chair at your back. (“I JUST THINK”)
Q: You’re so funny.
V: (laughs) (“THIS IS” “GOOD LAY”)
Q: My sense of humor is — (“REALLY”)
V: Oh, it’s good to have your sense of humor. (“YOU’RE FUNNY” “IS” “THIS CRAZY” “WHITE BEAR” “YOU’RE A NUT” “AM I GO”)
Q: Am I going to be under hypnosis? (“UH” “IT DEPENDS ON YOU” “I’M TRYING”)
V: Going under hypnosis?
Q: Well, I just want to find out if I had a previous incarnation. (“RIGHT” “SPLINTER”)
V: You’re curious about a previous incarnation. You can be aware of the unconscious part of your mind. You can learn so many things. (“DO I HAVE”) Incarnation. (“IN THIS FACILITY” “DIARY” “SWORD” “WHERE THE”)
Q: Right.
V: What do you think about these incarnations? (“PICKING A THEME”) What have you learned about? (“THE RAPE”)
Q: The main thing (“YOU KNOW”) — God is love.
V: That’s right. (“TWO LIPS”) Experience that love right now. Experience God. Always protecting, looking after, feeling in the way. (“VERY GOOD” “I TRUST” “COME”)
Q: I wish He’d help me transcribe. (“I HATE”)
V: Transcribe?
Q: It’s really hard. Trying to hear all the words. (“LIKE”) I wish He’d help me do that. (“I’M IN EVERY WORD”)
V: How? (“NAUGHTY”)
Q: In terms of — (“WHAT I’M” “WHEN I LISTEN TO JAPAN”) I’ve asked Him to help me but He won’t. I mean He does. (“BUT”) I don’t know.
V: When you listen to the cassettes — (“YOU’RE RIGHT”)
Q: It is becoming clearer and clearer all the time. It’s just that I get frustrated when I begin a portion I can’t hear. (“AND IT’S LIKE”) I don’t know why He can’t (“MAKE IT”) bring that clearly to my mind. (“I TRY”) I free my head and concentrate. (“AND” “IT JUST”) Nothing seems to work. I just can’t hear every word.
V: Can you hear some things? Can you hear some words?
Q: Well, I (“DID”) — yeah. (“A HURRY”)
V: I wonder if you can think about — (“THERE IS NO”) recording because the interesting thing is that this is so really useful. And wonderful thing about the unconscious part of your mind actually (“NO”) comes from sound recorded. (“NO SOUND” “THE MIND INHIBITS THE” “FAIL” “I WARNED YOU”) Cast your mind back. (“TO”) One of those interviews. One of those sessions when you actually heard everything. (“LAST TIME” “YOU FOUND”) Seeing a word. Think about the people you were with. Think about how you felt.
Q: Okay, I’m there.
V: And can you hear the words (“I THINK”) going in?
Q: Well, I can’t (“READILY”) recall them. (“THAT SPECIFICALLY”)
V: Okay.
Q: But there was one line — blank really liked the “E.T.” movie. And it wasn’t Michael. And I was trying for the life of me (“REMEMBER” “E.T.” “TO”) to hear what that word was. I couldn’t hear it.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: UPON HEARING THIS MESSAGE I KNEW THAT ‘E.T.’ WAS THE RIGHT NAME BEGINNING THE SENTENCE THAT WAS HARD TO HEAR AND I ADDED IT.)
V: I wonder if you can think about that time when you were very relaxed. (“INDEED”) Can you remember a time (“CURIOUSLY”) you felt very much happy (“VERY” “COME FOR THIS”) — very much — (“WE WROTE AN HOUR” “DON’T GO”) That’s good. (“KNOW WHEN YOU” “TURN THIS AROUND” “FEEL IT”) Allow yourself to experience the inner peace. (“THEN YOU CAN HEAR”) Hear the sound of my voice. You can feel your breathing. I wonder if you can feel the warmth of your arms next to each other. (“PLEASE”) You can experience a so-good sense of relaxation. Begin around your eyes. (“AND HOW”) All those muscles around your eyes . . . (“LOOKS LIKE”) . . these wonderful sensations. Relaxation. (“I SPIT ON”) Going away around your back . . . all those muscles.
Q: I guess I should change my body position.
V: . . . just the way you are . . . experience the very pleasant new body position . . . as you can feel the warmth all around you. Perhaps, you can hear the sound of my voice. Feel deep inside —
Q: You sound a lot like Derek Jacoby.
V: I wonder if you can remember what Derek’s last performance? (“PLEASE IT”)
Q: I don’t want to remember “Dead Again.” (laughs) (“WHAT’LL WE”)
V: Derek Jacoby has been in several other programs as well.
Q: “I, Claudius.” “Hamlet.”
V: I wonder if you can remember what he was like. (“I CAN”)
Q: “Richard II.”
V: I wonder if you can find just one of those performances.
Q: Okay.
V: Do you remember just how powerful he portrayed that character? (“HMM”) Can you remember how easy it was — (“YEAH” “G”) Try, yourself, experiencing that same emotion that you experienced. (“THAT STRESS”) And when you do that (“BE”) be aware that there’s so many richer performances you haven’t seen — plays and in movies and television. Performance is the real world.
Q: We’re always kind of performing. (“AGAIN”)
V: Exactly. (“ONLY YOU CAN”) Really think about (“SOME KIND OF LOVE”) one of the performances you experienced. People on the stage or on the screen. People in real life. Until you can find the unconscious part of your mind . . .
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS TAPE SIDE DAVID CONTINUES TRYING TO RELAX ME. ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENTERINTO A TRANCE STATE DURING HYPNOSIS SO FOR MYSELF AND MOST PEOPLE THIS IS JUST A STATE OF HEIGHTENED RELAXATION AND PERCEPTION. RECALLING MEMORIES FROM PAST LIVES IS NO DIFFERENT FROM REMEMBERING DISTANT EVENTS FROM THIS LIFETIME. MY COMMENTS ON THE REMAINDER OF THIS TAPE SIDE HAVE TO DO WITH MY MENTIONING THE FILM “THE OTHER” AND THE IMPRESSION THAT “MY ENTIRE LIFE IS A MOVIE.” TWO SPIRIT MESSAGES ARE “FREE MYSELF” AND “I’M OKAY.”)
Q: I’m about to have my first hypnotherapy session. Of course, my other therapist thinks it’s a very bad idea but I really like David’s credentials and his sincerity. (“BUT”) Would you explain what those letters under your name on the brochure mean?
V: Sure. Well, I have a lot of letters after my name and first is my degree, which is a B.A., and then it’s the Member of the Central Register of Advanced Hypnotherapists which is MCRAH.
Q: Is that in England or the U.S.?
V: It’s actually in England. And also I have Dip. THP (N-SHAP), which is a diploma in therapeutic hypnosis from the National School of Hypnosis and Psychotherapy, which, again, is in England. (“WHEN”) Okay, Mark, thanks for coming today. Now perhaps you can tell me how I can help you.
Q: Well, I’m most interested in finding out if I do have any previous incarnations; secondly, if you can help me remember any sexual abuse I might have had; and, thirdly, clarify some of my dreams involving aliens.
V: Excellent. Okay, let’s first of all deal with these issues one at a time. In the first place, we’ll examine the issue of past lives. (“I DON’T NEED IT”) The second question — the question of possible sexual abuse — bear in mind that the unconscious part of the mind often covers things up. It covers up traumatic and unpleasant experiences for a very good reason. And, as hypnotherapists, we moraine to bring somebody towards a better way of living — toward giving them more choices. What we prefer to do depends on the future.
Q: Well, personally, I don’t really care about it. The only reason why I brought it up is because of the various phenomena I’ve experienced. I thought it might relate. I personally don’t care about remembering any abuse situation. I think that would be very painful. (“AND I DISAGREE”) I’m not a victim. I don’t walk around saying, “I’m a victim of child abuse.” I couldn’t care less. Been there, done that.
V: Hmm. (“MAYBE”)
Q: So if you don’t want to even hunt for that it’s fine with me.
V: Well, what I’d like to do in relation to that is to specify what goals you actually want to achieve.
Q: Clarity. I want (“I”) to be in touch with — well, it’s hard to express. (“IT’S JUST”) I just want to have as much clarity as possible. I have already surrendered my life and my will and my love to God so I’m sure whatever clarity I’m meant to have He’ll bring to me in whatever way (“HE”) He’ll want me to have it.
V: Sure. Excellent. (“OKAY”) Okay. Obviously, the third aspect is dealing with the dreams. And dreams are very important (“UM-HUH”) because they’re a powerful form of communication from the unconscious part of the mind.
Q: Have you had any other patients who have experienced religious ecstasies?
V: Oh yes. There have been various spiritual experiences which I think are very important because as hypnotherapists we’re interested in different states of awareness and all through our lives we’re going through various states of awareness — changing our states of awareness day to day. There are some times when people manage to experience something very spiritual, something very powerful. You might want to call it a religious experience or a spiritual experience where a person somehow comes in touch with something very powerful which we always don’t have words for in the English language. (“INTERESTING”) The Eastern world — in countries like India, people are much more familiar with these states of awareness — these very spiritual ways of experiencing one’s self and life. And there are many words in the languages of India, China and various other Oriental countries which describe different states of awareness whereas in the English language we have to somehow struggle to describe them and really it’s more important sometimes to experience them without attempting to label them. So can you tell me a little bit about this religious experience?
Q: Well, I had two religious ecstasies and (“I”) I wrote down my thoughts right after experiencing them so it’s very hard for me just to say it off the top of my — ( “OFF”) — off my head. I haven’t really looked at them in a while but basically I experienced my whole lifetime in one night (“AS IF I”) and I was Jesus Christ. Or (“AS IF”) I was the power of evil.
V: Hmm.
Q: All in one night. It was like A Christmas Carol or something. (“RIGHT”) And then I had another one too which entailed going to a room of ever-changing reality and seeing — it was like a UFO but it was more of a room — (“IT’S”) what usually people mistake to be UFOs. (“IF IT”) Anyway, it was like something out of The Wizard of Oz. (“YOU KNOW AND”) And that movie, “The Wizard of Oz,” (“IS”) reminds me of God creation stories because you have the human wizard and then you have the other being. And I see parallels all over the place. With everything.
V: Exactly. Well, there are parallels because our art and culture and religions and our everyday way of experiencing the world depends on symbols — depends on archetypes.
Q: See, that’s one of the things that I’m trying to find out too. If I am a symbol what symbol am I — well, I know what symbol I am but exactly how does that relate to any past incarnations I might have had.
V: Sure. Okay. So what we’ll do then is aim to deal with these issues in turn. And when you experienced this religious ecstasy all in one night — when you experienced a power of good as if you were Jesus Christ and then the power of evil, can you remember what went through your mind during that? (“WELL JUST”)
Q: I had been working on a screenplay about Catherine Cadiere, who was a young French girl whose trial was the last formal trial for witchcraft in France. And this experience was very similar — I had thought that her visions and dreams were phony or maybe just the result of her own deranged mind or wishful thinking. But after my own experience, now I think they are true so I’ll have to do a little rewriting on my script.
V: Sure. So that’s very interesting. (“UHH YEAH”)
Q: I also wondered if I possibly could be the reincarnation of her — which is weird. (“WAS IT”)
V: Well, there’ve been a lot of people who have been described as mystics in some context — venerated in some context and — (“BUT”)
Q: And she also disappeared. (“UNDER”) I mean no one really knows if she died or if she was shut away in a nunnery or what happened to her — which is something that keeps happening to the protagonists in movies and stories that I read or relate to. You never know if they die. They mysteriously disappear from the scene.
V: Mmm. Exactly. Right. Okay. Great. So these experiences are something which is common to many cultures. These religious ecstasies and sometimes people think —
Q: Well I think they all date back to — especially the resurrection stories. They can all be traced back to Bel-Marduk also known as the god (Amun-)Ra in Egypt. (“OH YEAH”) So I have some unanswered questions in terms of there too because if we do have previous incarnations — Egypt lasted 5,000 years. (“SO”) It’s very likely that we would have a previous incarnation during that period.
V: Yes, absolutely. (“RIGHT”) Okay, so (“YEAH”) when you experienced this religious ecstasy about your own life, was it the life of Mark in the 20th century exclusively or were you aware of other indications that it might have been from some previous time?
Q: Well, I remembered that movie “The Last Temptation of Christ.” It was definitely me — in our contemporary world. But it was very similar to that movie. Remember the end? (“YOU KNOW THE”) Near the end? Very similar.
V: Right. (“YEAH”) Can you tell me any of the incidents you can remember from that first state of religious ecstasy?
Q: Will that help you because for me personally it’s like beating a dead horse. (“HE DON’T CARE”) I’m so bored of it all. (“WHY” “OKAY”)
V: Let me ask you this. Perhaps you can answer in a very brief phrase.
(“YEAH”) What was different about the first aspect when you experienced your life as if you were Jesus Christ and the second aspect when you experienced it as if you were the power of evil?
Q: It’s hard to say. I would have to have my notes because as soon as I experienced it I ran down to my computer and typed my impressions in. You can’t put it into words. You can’t.
V: Sure. (“OF COURSE”)
Q: It was like watching a movie.
V: Umm. I understand.
Q: And it was all impressions. You know?
V: Okay. That’s alright. I just wondered if there was something you noticed.
Q: Well, I thought that I was personally making this journey with God.
V: Right. Okay. (“YEAH UH-HUH”) That’s fine. That’s great. (“YEAH”) Okay. And this other religious ecstasy you experienced — when you were in a room — as if you were going into a UFO. Can you tell me how you experienced that?
Q: I don’t really remember. I just remember there was this one entity who was the keeper of the room.
V: Hmm. (“WHO WAS LIKE”)
Q: A Dickens-like character who was very blustery. It was like something out of (“YOU KNOW”) a Dickens movie. Or “The Wizard of Oz.” (“AND”) The one thing I remember most vividly was when he said, “Anyone who comes here can take one item back with them.” And I told him, “No, that’s okay. I don’t really need anything.” And he was very startled and very blustery. And then he said something to the effect of, “Well, if that’s the case, then you can keep this memory.”
V: Umm. Excellent. (“A GOOD MAN”) Okay. Great. Bear in mind that these —
Q: It would make a great movie, wouldn’t that? A great scene in a movie?
V: It certainly would. (“I HOPE YOU MIGHT WANT TO”)
V: Write a script to that movie some time.
Q: Exactly. Well, it would have to be a series of movies because there are just so many things that have happened.
V: Sure. Okay. Now. Bear in mind that these experiences can be considered to be representations from the unconscious part of the mind. The unconscious part of the mind is the most powerful part of it. (“WELL THAT’S”)
Q: That’s God.
V: Exactly. And that’s absolutely right. When we use the term such as God it can be used in many ways. Ultimate reality. Whether you consider God to be a a thinking person or an abstract concept — (“HMMM”)
Q: I consider Him to be both.
V: Right. Well that’s — (“THAT’S FUNNY”) yeah, that’s perfectly valid. The infinite. This is a very important archetype. This is a very important key which we can use to understand and make sense of reality and (“YEAH”) guide us to all sorts of new experiences, new solutions and things like that. Okay. Now. Have you had any indication about past lives? Have you experienced anything that leads you to believe that —
Q: The only thing I’ve ever experienced was once — it was at night. I don’t know if I was dreaming of if I was just about falling asleep but I heard a voice say, “FATHER, I HAVE WAITED SO LONG.” So I guess it was the Christ archetype. And then let’s see — what else? I guess that’s about it. Maybe I’m channeling. That’s another possibility. (“DUCK”)
V: Sure. Okay. That’s fine. Now. Have there been any other experiences where you found yourself — (“THERE’VE BEEN SEV”)
Q: Well, I — let’s just say the angel Michael is living with me. In my condo.
V: Is this one of the angels you’ve experienced firsthand? You were talking about poltergeists.
Q: Well, they thought — (“THAT IDIOT”) they called Him a poltergeist. (“AHHH” “WHICH IS WHAT”) Isn’t that what somebody would do if they met an angel? They would call Him a poltergeist. (“I HOPE SO”) I mean He didn’t have any physical dimension. (“UH-HUH-HUH”)
V: Can you remember how you experienced Michael? (“WHAT”)
Q: He has all these different aspects — you know, He takes the form of different spirits (“AND”) and there are a few major ones. Are you familiar with those books Messages From Michael?
V: Yes, I’ve got them at home.
Q: Well, it’s the same thing as that.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: [MARCH 29, 1996] WHILE RECORDING TAPE #93 AND ASKING ABOUT THE ‘MESSAGE’ FROM MICHAEL STATING “THERE IS NO MORE A DEVIL THAN THERE IS A GOD,” A SPIRIT VOICE SEEMS TO CONFIRM THAT THE BOOKS BY CHELSEA QUINN YARBRO DO NOT PRESENT ENTIRELY RELIABLE INFORMATION WITH THIS BEING THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLE.)
V: Ahh. Okay. And can you actually hear Michael?
Q: Not personally. Well, I heard — (“WORK CYCLE”) yes, I did. I heard Him giggling in the back seat of the car (“RIGHT”) as we were driving. (“BUT” “HE TALKED”) There’s a lot of Him on my — I did interviews with the family and I interviewed him, — (“I”) I guess. I didn’t know it at the time but he was talking all through the cassettes (“YOU KNOW”) saying things like “YOU KNOW” and “YEAH.” You know?
V: Okay. Do you actually see Michael at any time?
Q: No. (“UH-HUH”) I would remember that. (“RIGHT”) (laughs)
V: (laughs) Well, that’s alright. Can you feel Michael?
Q: I always feel Michael. He’s a warmth that surrounds me. (“I”) Because once He left me and I knew He was gone. But He came back real quick.
V: Right.
Q: (laughs) (“STUFF AFTER SEX”)
V: (laughs) Okay. Excellent. Can you feel that warmth around you now?
Q: Yes. Do you feel any warmth?
V: I can feel a certain warmth. Yes.
Q: Do you think that’s the heat of the room or do you think it’s something more? ([HIGH-PITCHED] “WELL”)
V: You see, therapists are aware that people communicate in unconscious ways. And what one person’s experiencing can actually (“INTERESTING”) come about in a person with them in a very mild way.
Q: Are you psychic, by the way?
V: Well, that’s a good question. When you use the word psychic, how would you define that?
Q: Very intuitive.
V: Well, I aim to be. Yes. I haven’t used the word psychic for myself but, never-the-less, people who are psychics have learned to attune their senses in a certain way. Because in normal life we use our senses in a very limited way. (“AND I HAD A VERY GOOD TIME” “THERAPIST” “YOU KNOW”) Unconscious communication. And I’m aware there’s an awful lot of information that goes into the unconscious mind which the conscious mind isn’t aware of. And so, as we learn to trust the unconscious part of the mind, it will guide us toward experiences that we label as psychic and this is my theory as to what psychic experiences are all about. I’ll say, (“OH”) oh, here, whether I (“CROSS MY LEG” “FULL OF NUTS”) am psychic is open to question and the point is that the unconscious mind is very powerful indeed and it finds ways of transmitting all sorts of experiences in a very precise way. Okay. Can you focus on that warm feeling now? (“YES”) Can you tell me where it’s located?
Q: All around me. I can feel (“VIBE”) the vibrations against my skin.
V: Feel the vibrations against your skin.
Q: Vibrations really isn’t the right word — just a warmth.
V: Warmth. Okay. What temperature is it?
Q: I don’t know. I’m not good about things like that.
V: Okay. That’s alright.
Q: Seventy degrees — seventy-five. (“THAT’S FINE” “YEAH” “THAT’S RIGHT”)
V: Can you tell me —
Q: I haven’t had to have my heater on once this year.
V: Excellent.
Q: You haven’t either probably because the weather has been so good.
V: Pretty much so. Yes. (“BUT”)
Q: Especially after living in England.
V: (laughs) Yeah, that’s right. (“THINK” “THE TROPICANA”) Okay. So, with this warmth that surrounds you, can you tell me how far it extends from your body?
Q: Totally everywhere. It’s like a sheet almost.
V: Like a sheet almost. Are you aware of any color of that warmth?
Q: Well, He’s explained to various people His colors that are associated with him. I, myself, haven’t really seen any colors. As far as I know. Okay. Are you aware of any movement?
Q: No. (“RA” “I”) I mean sometimes He’ll throw things.
V: Is that feeling of warmth always constant? Or is it sometimes stronger and sometimes weaker? (“IN CERT”)
Q: Whenever He seems to like something that I say it’s warmer. Like I was talking (“YEAH I KNOW AT” “AT A”) at my Hotline class. (“YOU” “AND THIS IS”) They asked the question, “What is the biggest organ in the human body?” Of course, the answer was skin. I said it was the brain. He was very happy with that. That I actually opened my mouth and said something instead of being timid. Because obviously the brain is the biggest organ in the human body. It’s all a question of perspective.
V: Umm. Exactly. (“RIGHT”) This perspective is very important indeed and you can be aware that this awareness of Michael is actually something which can be very, very powerful indeed. Because you can already feel the warmth of Michael around you. (“UM-HUH”) You heard Him in the back of the car laughing. And you heard about other people having even more vivid experiences of Him. (“NO”) And that’s great because it means that you can actually put these things into an even more powerful perspective. (“NO”) You’re aware of Michael and (“WE’RE” “SAY”) aware of so many other things as well. (“BECAUSE”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: WHEN I FIRST BEGAN TRANSCRIBING THIS TAPE, IT CONTINUOUSLY JAMMED HERE SO I BROUGHT THIS TAPE AND TAPE #6 TO MIRROR IMAGE CASSETTE COPIES ON DEC. 4, 1995 AND THEY WERE COPIED ONTO REGULAR CASSETTES. AFTER BUYING A DICTAPHONE TRANSCRIBER MODEL 2710, I CONTINUED TRANSCRIBING THIS SESSION THE EVENING OF DECEMBER 11TH, 1995. THE SCHEDULED NINETY-MINUTE SESSION WENT A LITTLE OVERTIME AND I RECEIVED A PARKING TICKET AS A RESULT. I ALSO HAD RECEIVED A PARKING TICKET ON SEPTEMBER 18, 1995 WHEN I PITCHED THE PROJECT TO DON SCHNEIDER AND STEVE WIZAN AT PHASE ONE PRODUCTIONS IN SANTA MONICA. ON THE EARLIER OCCASION THE POLICE OFFICER’S LAST NAME AS MARKED ON THE TICKET WAS ‘HEAVENS.’ THERE WAS NEVER ANY RESPONSE WHATSOEVER TO THE MATERIAL I LEFT WITH DON AND STEVE; AND IT WAS NEVER RETURNED TO ME. THE MATERIAL CONSISTED OF A TREATMENT, INITIAL DRAFT TRANSCRIPTION PAGES, MY SCREENPLAY “WONDER OF THE WORLD” AND A PHOTOCOPY OF THE FORTEAN TIMES ARTICLE.)
V: Religious ecstasy. (“UM-HUH” “EVERYTHING”) How people understand that the unconscious part of your mind is helping you. Helping you to learn — (“TO MAKE ME PASS” “HE”)
Q: You don’t think I’m totally nuts, do you?
V: Well, how do you define that word? (“NO NOT REALLY”) Because when people say ‘totally nuts’ —
Q: I mean, I just don’t want you to — what’s the word? (“CON” “YOU KNOW FUNNY”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I COULDN’T THINK OF THE WORD ‘PATRONIZE’ AT THE TIME.)
Q: You know — don’t say things just to make me feelgood.
V: Of course not. No. Basically, bear in mind that we experience things — everyone experiences the world in a different way.
Q: Right. (“MORE”)
V: That all of us have — (“NO ONE”)
Q: No one has believed me. No one. No one.
V: Bear in mind — well there is a fact that —
Q: Because they haven’t experienced it.
V: Exactly. Bear in mind that the human body and mind have vast powers of experience. All sorts of other levels of awareness —
Q: No, I know that.
V: Our modern technological society imposes upon people one particular way of experiencing things. It imposes an important point of view on people. (“WHICH”) It actually by no means is the best way of experiencing reality. (“YEAH” “BOO”)
Q: I think He’s changing — I think it’s going in a new direction now.
V: Michael? (“UM-HUH”)
Q: Or God or — (“THAT’S WHERE YOU’RE WRONG” “NOT YES” “THAT”)
V: That’s quite correct. There does seem to be a moving away from this —
Q: It seems like we’re entering the New Age.
V: Oh, yes. Very much so. (“UM-HUH”) As we do that, more and more ways of experiencing things become valid. You see, as, you recall, industrial technology became (“UM-HUH”) dominant in the world, all sorts of religious experiences, symbolism, magic — various people have set them apart from life and we became a mass of humanity presuming in school, going to work for a large corporation — and all this exposed us to the mass media, (“WE WERE”) politics and government; more and more conditions influencing us to experience reality only in a way we’re told to experience it so most people conform to that. And (“HMM”) to be seen to come outside of that, we’re labeled as deranged, strange, eccentric, mad —
Q: Joan of Arc.
V: — totally nuts. Of course, Joan of Arc living a long time before this time.
Q: Christopher Columbus — who saw a strange light in the sky.
V: Exactly. And therefore now as you quite correctly pointed out we’re beginning to accept the validity of these experiences more and more and the unconscious part of the mind is always helps you detect it. It’s guiding you toward something better which is going to make life happier — (“BRAIN”) more fulfilling. We can trust the unconscious to bring you all these experiences. (“YEAH”)
Q: I think the phenomena has reached a certain ark at the moment.
V: Yes. (“HOW TRUE” “THAT YOU’RE MY” “I FIGURED IT OUT”) Okay. So as you focus on that warmth that surrounds you — (“I MIGHT” “SEEM TO BE”) be aware of how (“UH-HUH”) you feel about that.
Q: I’m in love.
V: Excellent.
Q: We almost had sex once.
V: Uh-huh. Right. Well, that’s very tangible indeed. (laughs) (“THEY DO”)
Q: We always have sex. I mean you know — (“BECAUSE I MAY GET IT”) whenever I masturbate we’re having sex. You know? I don’t know how this can be, though.
V: Okay. Well, just allow that experience fulfill you now, allowing you to experience that warmth. How much it helps you. How happy you feel when you’re totally relaxed. (“I STILL LOVE YOU” “KA”) You may experience that warmth all around you. It reminds you of the presence of Michael. (“MAY ACTUALLY BE”) Hear the sound of my voice. Feel the warmth of your arms against each other. Feel your breathing becoming deeper and more even. Then you may be able to experience all the muscles of your body going more and more limp and loose and relaxed.
Q: I am feeling tired and I closed my eyes. Is that alright?
V: Well, that’s alright. (“EVERYTHING’S”) Alright. (“BECAUSE”) The wonderful thing about exploring the unconscious part of your mind is everything really is alright. And you can do it in just your own way. You can be pleased if you’re feeling tired. (“WE CAN”) Feel your breathing deeper and deeper.
Q: I’m feeling a little nauseous. (“ME”)
V: Feel a little nauseous. (“UH-HUH”) Try to ignore that feeling and just participate as much as you want. (“AS YOU CAN”) Feel your breathing
become deeper and more even. Be more aware of the chair at your back. (“I JUST THINK”)
Q: You’re so funny.
V: (laughs) (“THIS IS” “GOOD LAY”)
Q: My sense of humor is — (“REALLY”)
V: Oh, it’s good to have your sense of humor. (“YOU’RE FUNNY” “IS” “THIS CRAZY” “WHITE BEAR” “YOU’RE A NUT” “AM I GO”)
Q: Am I going to be under hypnosis? (“UH” “IT DEPENDS ON YOU” “I’M TRYING”)
V: Going under hypnosis?
Q: Well, I just want to find out if I had a previous incarnation. (“RIGHT” “SPLINTER”)
V: You’re curious about a previous incarnation. You can be aware of the unconscious part of your mind. You can learn so many things. (“DO I HAVE”) Incarnation. (“IN THIS FACILITY” “DIARY” “SWORD” “WHERE THE”)
Q: Right.
V: What do you think about these incarnations? (“PICKING A THEME”) What have you learned about? (“THE RAPE”)
Q: The main thing (“YOU KNOW”) — God is love.
V: That’s right. (“TWO LIPS”) Experience that love right now. Experience God. Always protecting, looking after, feeling in the way. (“VERY GOOD” “I TRUST” “COME”)
Q: I wish He’d help me transcribe. (“I HATE”)
V: Transcribe?
Q: It’s really hard. Trying to hear all the words. (“LIKE”) I wish He’d help me do that. (“I’M IN EVERY WORD”)
V: How? (“NAUGHTY”)
Q: In terms of — (“WHAT I’M” “WHEN I LISTEN TO JAPAN”) I’ve asked Him to help me but He won’t. I mean He does. (“BUT”) I don’t know.
V: When you listen to the cassettes — (“YOU’RE RIGHT”)
Q: It is becoming clearer and clearer all the time. It’s just that I get frustrated when I begin a portion I can’t hear. (“AND IT’S LIKE”) I don’t know why He can’t (“MAKE IT”) bring that clearly to my mind. (“I TRY”) I free my head and concentrate. (“AND” “IT JUST”) Nothing seems to work. I just can’t hear every word.
V: Can you hear some things? Can you hear some words?
Q: Well, I (“DID”) — yeah. (“A HURRY”)
V: I wonder if you can think about — (“THERE IS NO”) recording because the interesting thing is that this is so really useful. And wonderful thing about the unconscious part of your mind actually (“NO”) comes from sound recorded. (“NO SOUND” “THE MIND INHIBITS THE” “FAIL” “I WARNED YOU”) Cast your mind back. (“TO”) One of those interviews. One of those sessions when you actually heard everything. (“LAST TIME” “YOU FOUND”) Seeing a word. Think about the people you were with. Think about how you felt.
Q: Okay, I’m there.
V: And can you hear the words (“I THINK”) going in?
Q: Well, I can’t (“READILY”) recall them. (“THAT SPECIFICALLY”)
V: Okay.
Q: But there was one line — blank really liked the “E.T.” movie. And it wasn’t Michael. And I was trying for the life of me (“REMEMBER” “E.T.” “TO”) to hear what that word was. I couldn’t hear it.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: UPON HEARING THIS MESSAGE I KNEW THAT ‘E.T.’ WAS THE RIGHT NAME BEGINNING THE SENTENCE THAT WAS HARD TO HEAR AND I ADDED IT.)
V: I wonder if you can think about that time when you were very relaxed. (“INDEED”) Can you remember a time (“CURIOUSLY”) you felt very much happy (“VERY” “COME FOR THIS”) — very much — (“WE WROTE AN HOUR” “DON’T GO”) That’s good. (“KNOW WHEN YOU” “TURN THIS AROUND” “FEEL IT”) Allow yourself to experience the inner peace. (“THEN YOU CAN HEAR”) Hear the sound of my voice. You can feel your breathing. I wonder if you can feel the warmth of your arms next to each other. (“PLEASE”) You can experience a so-good sense of relaxation. Begin around your eyes. (“AND HOW”) All those muscles around your eyes . . . (“LOOKS LIKE”) . . these wonderful sensations. Relaxation. (“I SPIT ON”) Going away around your back . . . all those muscles.
Q: I guess I should change my body position.
V: . . . just the way you are . . . experience the very pleasant new body position . . . as you can feel the warmth all around you. Perhaps, you can hear the sound of my voice. Feel deep inside —
Q: You sound a lot like Derek Jacoby.
V: I wonder if you can remember what Derek’s last performance? (“PLEASE IT”)
Q: I don’t want to remember “Dead Again.” (laughs) (“WHAT’LL WE”)
V: Derek Jacoby has been in several other programs as well.
Q: “I, Claudius.” “Hamlet.”
V: I wonder if you can remember what he was like. (“I CAN”)
Q: “Richard II.”
V: I wonder if you can find just one of those performances.
Q: Okay.
V: Do you remember just how powerful he portrayed that character? (“HMM”) Can you remember how easy it was — (“YEAH” “G”) Try, yourself, experiencing that same emotion that you experienced. (“THAT STRESS”) And when you do that (“BE”) be aware that there’s so many richer performances you haven’t seen — plays and in movies and television. Performance is the real world.
Q: We’re always kind of performing. (“AGAIN”)
V: Exactly. (“ONLY YOU CAN”) Really think about (“SOME KIND OF LOVE”) one of the performances you experienced. People on the stage or on the screen. People in real life. Until you can find the unconscious part of your mind . . .
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS TAPE SIDE DAVID CONTINUES TRYING TO RELAX ME. ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY ENTERINTO A TRANCE STATE DURING HYPNOSIS SO FOR MYSELF AND MOST PEOPLE THIS IS JUST A STATE OF HEIGHTENED RELAXATION AND PERCEPTION. RECALLING MEMORIES FROM PAST LIVES IS NO DIFFERENT FROM REMEMBERING DISTANT EVENTS FROM THIS LIFETIME. MY COMMENTS ON THE REMAINDER OF THIS TAPE SIDE HAVE TO DO WITH MY MENTIONING THE FILM “THE OTHER” AND THE IMPRESSION THAT “MY ENTIRE LIFE IS A MOVIE.” TWO SPIRIT MESSAGES ARE “FREE MYSELF” AND “I’M OKAY.”)
