INTERVIEW — TAPE #69, SIDE #1
Q: Mark Russell Bell
D: unidentified DJ (portion of KSCA radio broadcast)
T: Terry Conner, friend at Southern California HIV/AIDS Hotline
L: Larry Gibson, Hotline acquaintance
C: Christine La Monte, friend
N: Nancy Himmel, acquaintance at Rogers and Cowan
B: Michael Paul Russell
J: Jennifer Kutner, friend
D: . . . on KSCA with a song that they say will define the new direction the band is taking. 1979 they say that’s the kind of sound that they’re going for in the future instead of a lot of the harder, metaler kind of stuff—if that’s a word—that they’ve done in the past. Jimi Hendrix also with “Angel” from The Cry of Love. It’s 9:49 on this Thursday morning . . .
Q: Well so here I am at work again, having breakfast, listening to the radio, seeing all the people with ‘man’ and you know all the other — and ‘Mike’ in their names. (“LIKE”) The front page of the Los Angeles Times — well let’s just say that there is a Mark Fineman, Times staff writer and a Mike Clary “special to the Times” — the usual. And, of course, they found out (“THAT”) — where is it? Oh, on the front page: “Baboon Cells Fail to Grow in AIDS Patient, Doctors Say.” On page 3: “Cats Cradled in Nuclear Plant Are Reported Healthy.” And on page A10: “Quark as Basic Particle May Be in Dispute” by Curt Suplee, The Washington Post.
Q: Well so here I am at work again, having breakfast, listening to the radio, seeing all the people with ‘man’ and you know all the other — and ‘Mike’ in their names. (“LIKE”) The front page of the Los Angeles Times — well let’s just say that there is a Mark Fineman, Times staff writer and a Mike Clary “special to the Times” — the usual. And, of course, they found out (“THAT”) — where is it? Oh, on the front page: “Baboon Cells Fail to Grow in AIDS Patient, Doctors Say.” On page 3: “Cats Cradled in Nuclear Plant Are Reported Healthy.” And on page A10: “Quark as Basic Particle May Be in Dispute” by Curt Suplee, The Washington Post.
Scientists plumbing the innermost workings of the atom have tentative but disquieting evidence that could challenge accepted theories about the structure of matter on the smallest scale.
It is possible that quarks—the smallest known constituents of protons and neutrons—are not fundamental, indivisible particles but may be made of yet smaller entities of unknown nature, said researchers from the Collider Detector at Firmilab, a consortium working at the federally sponsored accelerator outside Chicago.
The team turned up nearly 1,200 observations during a year of experiments in which colliding particles were deflected or “scattered” in ways that apparently cannot be reconciled with the predictions of current particle-physics theory. But the odd trajectories and energy levels observed in the collisions might make sense if quarks were composed of tiny sub-units that could send matter flying off in unexpected ways.
Until alternative explanations or possible errors have been ruled out, the 450-member team reports in a paper submitted to the nation’s leading physics journal, Physical Review Letters, “any claim about the presence of new physics is not defensible.”
It could be that small adjustments in current theory could account for the discrepancies. But it is not inconceivable, Fermilab noted Wednesday, that “the data are the first hint that the fundamental constituents of matter may not be fundamental after all.”
The Fermilab measurements were first reported by the journal Science. Last year, Fermilab teams finally confirmed existence of the only one of six quarks that had never been observed, called the top quark.
It is possible that quarks—the smallest known constituents of protons and neutrons—are not fundamental, indivisible particles but may be made of yet smaller entities of unknown nature, said researchers from the Collider Detector at Firmilab, a consortium working at the federally sponsored accelerator outside Chicago.
The team turned up nearly 1,200 observations during a year of experiments in which colliding particles were deflected or “scattered” in ways that apparently cannot be reconciled with the predictions of current particle-physics theory. But the odd trajectories and energy levels observed in the collisions might make sense if quarks were composed of tiny sub-units that could send matter flying off in unexpected ways.
Until alternative explanations or possible errors have been ruled out, the 450-member team reports in a paper submitted to the nation’s leading physics journal, Physical Review Letters, “any claim about the presence of new physics is not defensible.”
It could be that small adjustments in current theory could account for the discrepancies. But it is not inconceivable, Fermilab noted Wednesday, that “the data are the first hint that the fundamental constituents of matter may not be fundamental after all.”
The Fermilab measurements were first reported by the journal Science. Last year, Fermilab teams finally confirmed existence of the only one of six quarks that had never been observed, called the top quark.
Q: Well people who think they know everything don’t know anything and that’s one of the themes of my book. So another one of the themes of my book is that I have too much to write about than is humanly possible. And I have more to transcribe than is humanly conceivable. And I’m just — you know, so I have to sort of stop reading the newspaper every day because (“THERE”) there’s always going to be articles that apply. For example, oh my God, in Business: “Tales of Hoffman” by Kathy M. Kristof.
William and Joanne Hoffman are planning a party — a big one, replete with congressional representatives, heads of several dozen national lobbying groups and maybe even the governor of Nevada.
They’re celebrating because they took on the state of California and they won. Thousands of out-of-state retirees will be richer as a result.
Last month, President Clinton signed a bill that bans states from taxing the pension income—including 401 (k) and previously untaxed IRA distributions—of former residents. . . .
They’re celebrating because they took on the state of California and they won. Thousands of out-of-state retirees will be richer as a result.
Last month, President Clinton signed a bill that bans states from taxing the pension income—including 401 (k) and previously untaxed IRA distributions—of former residents. . . .
Q: So, anyway, just for example — I never have time to read the Food section but I see that there’s an article by Abby Mandel mentioned on the front page. And on the front page of the Business section, which I also don’t have time to read, is mentioned an article about Packard Bell that says “it will acquire a smaller rival, Zenith Data Systems.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: UPON TRANSCRIBING THIS ON JAN. 16, 2000, I NOW ALSO RECOGNIZE NAME SYNCHRONICITY WITH FRONT PAGE COLUMN ONE WRITER LAURA DOLAN’S NAME AND THE HEADLINE “LOUISIANA UPSET BOOSTS RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES.”)
Q: And, by the way, have you noticed the stock market keeps going up and Mighael had me sell all my stocks? I guess (“WELL”) first of all, I guess He just didn’t want me thinking about it even though I think I think about it just as much after selling them but who knows? Maybe He just wanted to make the point for my book when it was going down and I don’t even know. All I know is that I’m sure I’ll be well taken care of. If not, I can always keep one of the antiques for myself, right? I’m just kidding.
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Q: Oh great. I noticed in the Metro section in an article entitled “First Lady’s Backers Flock to Book Tour” by Miles Corwin, Times staff writer, Carol Lawrence-Bell of Anaheim is quoted as saying: “D’Amato is the scum of the earth. He and the rest of them should leave Hillary alone. I’m here as a show of support for her.” And under the picture: “Hillary Rodham Clinton, introduced by Daniella Fortuna, 10, helped raise money for Children’s Hospital.” Does anyone really think that there’s nothing to a name? Right above this is an article about Fred Goldman’s lawyer and the usual Simpson stuff and they mention a Karen Gold (“IN THIS”) in the same article by Miles Corwin. I wonder if it’s the same Karen Gold I know. Anyway.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE CORWIN ARTICLE NOTES “DURING THE FIRST LEG OF HER BOOK TOUR LAST MONTH IN NEW YORK, BOSTON, ILLINOIS AND ARKANSAS, CLINTON HAD BEEN DOGGED BY WHITEWATER QUESTIONS. WHILE SHE MANAGED TO AVOID THE SUBJECT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, SHE PROBABLY WILL FACE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOOK TOUR WHEN SHE RETURNS TO WASHINGTON. TAXPAYERS ARE BEARING A SIGNIFICANT COST OF THE TOUR BECAUSE THE 12-SEAT GOVERNMENT PLANE SHE IS USING COSTS $2,890 AN HOUR TO FLY, AND CLINTON’S PUBLISHER IS ONLY PAYING PART OF THE EXPENSE.”)
Q: Terry, I’m cheating. I’m writing my book (“B”) while doing the callbacks on the Hotline.
T: It is not cheating. If you have the time —
Q: But I’m sending material to someone who lives in Bell and the name of the clinic there —
T: You know, if you’re doing a book, it would be best to stay as totally confidential —
Q: No, I am. That’s not why I’m saying anything. No, I’m just saying he lives in Bell and I’m saying that the clinic I referred is on Jefferson Boulevard. And, look, Larry — I mean — I’m sorry, Terry —
T: (laughs)
Q: I’m having lunch with Larry today — there’s the Philadelphia liberty bell (on a postcard) right here.
T: So that’s — there’s a connection?
Q: Exactly.
T: The question I have is what is the connection (“U”) with that old adobe. Do you know where that is?
Q: Where is that?
T: That is in Abu Dhabi. Have you ever even heard of Abu Dhabi?
Q: No. Do you know what — have you been there?
T: Well, no, I did business with — (“ITS”) they’re the Gulf Emirates. It’s Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Qatar and Bahrain.
Q: Well they look pretty (much) like they’re living in poverty.
T: It’s — probably . . .
Q: So there is a definite connection here. (“YES”)
T: Yes. (“K”) But there’s no bell.
Q: Well —
T: However —
Q: — it’s a symbol though.
T: It is.
Q: So —
T: But here’s the symbol. This is the symbol you want to deal with. “The Pig Star — A Pork Story.”
Q: Oh really?
T: There is no bigger name in Southern California than Farmer John.
Q: But you have to remember this is the year of the pig. Did you see “Babe”?
T: It’s cosmic and it’s all connected.
Q: Exactly. (“BUT WHAT”) The scary thing you told me about today was the fact that HIV was found ten and a half months —
T: But I didn’t tell you that. I showed you it.
Q: Right. In an article. (“RIGHT”)
T: But, more importantly, HIV transmission by oral sexual contact by men who have sex with men — a risk was associated with crack cocaine use . . .
Q: No, but the one — it said 10.5 months after exposure, an antibody test turns positive.
T: Isn’t that bizarre?
Q: That’s bizarre. That’s revolutionary.
T: Well I wouldn’t be that quick to say that — but is —
Q: Well.
T: — out of the norm, no question about it.
Q: Exactly. I better get back to work.
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Q: So, anyway, I met Larry Gibson today who’s helping us with our computers and he said something very funny when I mentioned that I had Windows and was having problems. He said:
L: I don’t do Windows.
Q: And why don’t you do Windows? I mean because it’s —
L: I just don’t like it.
Q: — difficult? You don’t — and why don’t you like it?
L: I like — the nuts and bolts I like to be at a lower level where I can do everything I don’t want them to do all the work for me.
Q: Okay. Well thank you.
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Q: Michael’s new assistant — (“OR”) who is it? Chris’s new assistant?
C: Well this is very strange because I hired Nancy because I thought she was so wonderful. And she was in the music industry at Virgin Records. And when she came over here, they called her and begged her to come back. They created a position for her so she’s going back to her true love, music.
Q: And her name is?
N: Nancy Himmel. (small laugh)
Q: And Himmel means?
N: Heaven in German.
Q: So there’s definite great karma here at Rogers and Cowan. There are people with ‘Michael’ in their names and ‘son’ in their names and Michael’s —
N: What does Michael mean?
Q: Michael? It’s a long story but I have an Angel in my life named Mighael and — as well as my twin brother’s name. I’m channeling Mighael. So now I’m realizing all through my life I know all these people named Michael. So, anyway, it’s interesting. And there are all these interesting symbolic religious or pseudo-religious names that people come in (“CO[N]”) to contact with me. Isn’t it weird?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: NAME SYNCHRONICITY ALSO INCLUDES CHRISTINE LA MONTE RESIDING IN BEL-AIR.)
N: I think so. So are you writing a book about that?
Q: I’m writing — yeah — (“[I’]M”) currently on — I have, like, fifty tapes or so of interviews so in fact I just let Chris (“T”) take a peek at hers. Hers was very short so I’m going to try to get her to say something today.
N: (laughs)
Q: And I’m going to lunch with Larry. (“SO”)
C: Larry who?
Q: Larry Garrison.
C: No, he’s — I don’t think he can go out.
Q: Oh really? Oh no, he knew —
C: He’s at the set.
N: He called in earlier and —
Q: Oh.
N: — to check in — but you were in with Adrian so he said he’d call back.
C: Yeah, he’s at the set.
Q: Oh my God.
C: He’s going to meet me up here at New Wave in Burbank.
Q: Because he knew — I mean he knew. He’s very good about that usually. He forgot. Oh well.
C: I guess so.
Q: Well then I’ll go to lunch with Mike.
C: Sorry, Michael’s out too.
Q: He’s out too? Well he said he might be back though. (“YEAH”)
C: He’ll be back. You can wait.
Q: I’ll wait. Okay.
C: Interview . . .
Q: This is so — Larry never forgets lunch appointments.
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N: . . . Mike so —
Q: Really? Okay.
N: So I should be excited because —
Q: You met a boy named Michael and it might be romantic?
N: Well his name is Mike. Yeah.
?: Mikey.
N: It might be romantic. A couple weeks ago.
Q: Okay. Well this is very curious.
N: Yes.
Q: Very curious.
C: . . . brother’s named Michael. What does that mean?
Q: What’s his last name?
N: Easterlin.
Q: What is it? Really? Easterling? L — I — N — G?
N: L — I — N. Does that mean anything?
Q: Well ‘Easter,’ my goodness.
N: Easter’s (laughs) . . .
Q: That’s a very important religious holiday. And your brother —
C: Can I interrupt for just one second?
Q: Yeah, sure.
C: Can I have my —
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Q: On your desk there’s a day — (“A[H]”) a fax to — who is that?
C: Jaycee Goldman.
Q: You’ll have to see what this means. (“BUT”) Synchronicity-wise, there are all these people with the name ‘son’ and ‘man’ and ‘Michael’ in my — that I’m meeting. I’m just now realizing this.
C: Okay.
Q: But now, as you know, I’m sorry (“TO”) to barge in on Chris but my lunch appointment is not here so I think this means that Mighael wants me to do a very quick interview with Chris La Monte.
C: (small laugh)
Q: Because she’s so busy doing her wonderful films. What other pro(jects) — last time you only had a chance to name a few projects so what are some of the films you’re working on now?
C: Jonathan Pryce is in “Carrington” and I’m hoping that he’ll be nominated on the 13th and I was just putting in a request for credentials for the nominations. We’re working — we just finished up the Golden Globes. We’re doing the Artists’ Rights Foundation and Awards show next week. We’re — I — also representing and doing a party reception for the National Film Commission of Mexico and we’ll probably do Showbiz Expo this year. We represent a lot of directors and producers, as you know, and we’re doing “Normal Life,” the film, and we’re doing the unit publicity on “Drive,” a film for Overseas First Look.
Q: And who directed it?
C: Mmm. I don’t know.
Q: Or produced it? Okay.
C: Sorry, I don’t know. (small laugh) Larry’s the unit publicist.
Q: Oh, okay.
C: What else? We have a (“N”) lot of things going on.
Q: Let’s see — what else was I going to ask you? Why can’t I think today? (“ANYWAY”) Oh — reincarnation-wise —
C: Yes.
Q: You’re very good and psychic sometimes.
C: Yes.
Q: Who do you think — the first name that comes into your mind. It’s a wonderful game I’m playing for my book — I have two people who work at Rogers and Cowan to ask you who they’re the reincarnation of. First: Larry Garrison.
C: Okay I got a flash on this yesterday actually. He comes from Bruges or that area. (“GOT A”) Pure flash on this.
Q: Where is that? I don’t —
C: Bruges is in the Netherlands. It’s outside of Amsterdam. He’s from Bruges.
Q: Yeah. And now — and also Jennifer.
C: From probably the 14th or 15th Century.
Q: Wow. And now Jennifer Kutner?
C: (no response)
Q: She’s a hard one, isn’t she? Because she’s very spiritually developed I find. (“SHE’S”) Very spiritual. (“BE ON THE PHONE”) She thinks she’s a young soul. I don’t know. She was saying (“SOME”) — she was saying very wise things.
C: She’s very complex. She must be on the cusp because she’s not clear. (“I HEAR” or “I HERE”)
Q: She’s not clear, yeah.
C: She’s not clear about some stuff. I think spiritually she’s clear but being on this Earth I don’t think she’s clear. (small laugh)
Q: You know, I must tell you that (“NO”) after all that strange phenomena happened to me way back in August — today’s like —
N: Where do I find the bios?
C: Remember, you made up those capabilities that we sent out in a package? Did you ever do that?
N: I didn’t do that. The ones that were given to me for that — we sent out — the proposal?
C: Right.
N: Kenya got them but I don’t know where she got them from.
C: Do you have a copy of the proposal? Look in here for a copy of one of the proposals and you can just find my bio in one of those. I don’t know where they keep them out there. Sorry.
Q: I see you have a Dictionary by David Thomson. Anyway, what were we talking about?
C: Plus Ann Thomson’s —
Q: Oh is he —
C: Yeah.
Q: Okay. It’s all one community. And so —
C: We were talking about Jennifer. And she’s very evolved spiritually, which I agree with. But I think on this planet maybe she’s too evolved.
Q: Maybe this is her first time on this planet and that’s why she’s too evolved. Because she was saying really nice things and she’s so sweet.
C: Or maybe it’s (“HER”) the last time on this planet. (“HERE”) And she doesn’t need to be here. It’s like beyond her.
Q: Maybe it’s all of our last time on this planet.
N: In here there’s all the originals.
C: Oh. (Or “O”) (small laugh) But I’m not in this one. That’s before my time . . .
Q: I know what I was saying. What I was saying before was, like, this is the first day I really feel like my normal self.
C: Really?
Q: Because when I do interviews I try to be something — I try (“NO”) to be very politically correct or to be — I don’t know. Trying to, like, right all the wrongs in the world and today I decided I’m just going to be me. (“AND I”)
Because I want to be nice. Like my book about Hollywood is turning out to be — like a lot of people are going to be very embarrassed.
C: Why?
Q: Because (“NO”) sexual preferences will be revealed — (“OR”)
C: Does that intrigue you or interest you?
Q: No. It’s just sort of one of those things.
N: . . . I didn’t know — what’s it going to be titled? . . .
Q: Well my first book is called Testament. I’m not sure what my second — (“MY”) my second book probably will be called New Testament. I’m very original.
N: (small laugh)
Q: So —
N: Because I’ll have to go out and get it.
Q: Well yeah. (“I’M”) Hope it’ll be published this year.
C: Yeah, you can just xerox that. Xerox that and keep it out there so you have it.
N: Okay.
C: Then you give that back to me so I can put it in this file?
N: Okay.
C: Thanks.
Q: So, anyway, real quick, Chris, this is a very difficult area for me obviously since I’m sort of —
C: Reincarnation? (“FATE”)
Q: No. (“JST”) Fate has made me this character who’s writing (“LIKE”) this book and so I’m basically trying to be nice and trying to let people know that they can be comfortable in their sexuality and that even drugs in Hollywood is alright because these are what people have to go through during this existence to reach — you know, their kar(ma) —
C: I feel two ways about this. I me(an) (or “I ME”) I think your personal sexual preference is really a personal, private issue that no one should even care about or inquire about. It’s who I sleep with is my own business and —
Q: Exactly.
C: — what I do with this body is of no concern to anyone else (“BUT”) but me.
Q: Stars, though, we’re talking about.
C: Even with them I don’t think it’s necessary to make those enquiries, personally.
Q: And see — now I . . .
C: But if it — on the other hand, though, they can be heroes by coming out because they’re —
Q: Exactly.
C: — icons and people can say, “If they can do that, so can I.” It might be easier for others to make that transition.
Q: Exactly. That’s the point. I guess that’s the reason why this is happening.
C: Maybe it is.
Q: Because I never set out to do this. (“BUT”) In the meantime, you don’t have to name names — (“BUT”) I’ve had some really interesting stories so far in my book. You know, the usual ones. The gerbils and people sleeping with one another on the set. Those kinds of things. But what is the most scandalous, interesting story that you’ve heard during your career? And you don’t have to name names. In terms of like what happened. It could be a producer. It could be marketing. It could be an executive. Someone who did you dirt. I mean you know. Karma we’re talking here. Because look what happened to Don Simpson. I mean you know.
C: Mmmmmm. I don’t think I’ve been that close to scandal in my life.
Q: Well no but — okay but —
C: There was one producer —
Q: — rudeness —
C: — this is silly but one producer, when I picked him up in one of the cities that I was covering for his personal appearance tour, the first thing he said is, “I want drugs. I want women. And I want them right away. And you have to get them for me.” . . .
Q: What did you say?
C: I said, “No.” I said, “That’s not what I do.” And so the limousine driver got him everything that he needed and the next day he left without doing his PA tour. (small laugh)
Q: Oh my goodness.
C: Left me a note — said, “Sorry. See you later.”
Q: So you got screwed figuratively.
C: True. Bum. Yeah, I guess. (“UH-HUH”) Now what was I going to — I was just flashing — oh on the way over.
N: Michelle from . . . New York is on the phone and wanted to have information on Artists’ Rights so I was directing her — Denver?
C: Denver.
Q: I’ll turn it off.
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(“I”)
Q: Okay. Oh — so, real quick, I realized today — I was hearing on the way over in the car REM is getting like $20,000 because their song is going to be in a new movie. (“SO”) My message in my book is — “well, fine, they’re very talented but everyone on Earth — it is now being revealed in my book — they have to give back as much as they get to prove their love for God. This is not a message that people who are very rich are going to want to hear. It’s a very scary message. (“BUT”) Our planet is falling apart. We have ozone — we have all these problems.
C: I think this is part of the nature and the plan for the planet. I don’t think it’s anything that wasn’t in store for it or wasn’t predicted for it or wasn’t — (“WELL”)
Q: Some people are predicting the end of the world.
C: It has to end sometime. And it ends for how many people every day in one form or another?
Q: But I think —
C: I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I think the end of the world comes (“YEAH”) and we go to another plane. What’s the big (“RI”) deal?
Q: Well pe(ople) — (or “WELL PE” “BU[T]”)
C: It doesn’t bother me.
Q: Ohhh I think — see, I think Earth could be a heaven if people would just —
C: I don’t think that’s what it’s for.
Q: Ohhhh.
C: I think it’s here really as a school. And when school’s over it’s like on to the next thing. If you aren’t ready, that’s your own problem. If you didn’t pay attention of if you didn’t learn —
Q: Well what about all these people who didn’t pay back as much as they took in life. What will happen to them?
C: I guess they just have to keep going to — a place to work that out until they get it right.
Q: Well that’s good. That’s very — so you don’t believe anyone’s really damned?
C: No, I don’t. (“WHY”)
Q: And besides that’s all a matter of interpretation. Because some people would wake up in heaven and say, “I’m in hell.”
C: That’s right.
Q: “I’m in hell.” It’s like me working at transcribing. It’s like, “I hate this. I don’t want to do this.”
C: (small laugh)
Q: I’ve done too much of this.” (“N I”) I even broke my headphones the other day I was so mad.
C: Oh my God.
Q: But it’s like I enjoy this more than anything. It’s nice having an Entity that loves me and accepts me, no matter — even when I all Him bad names. However, I am supposed to be giving these messages to mankind. (“TO”) Help the homeless and to save the rain forest.
C: I think the best way to do it is through example.
Q: Exactly. (“WELL”)
C: Have you been doing that? You have been — I mean —
Q: I don’t know what example to —
C: You do.
Q: Even now I’m writing a tell-all book about Hollywood and making —
C: But you’re also — weren’t you, you know, advising patients with AIDS or weren’t you do — working with the homeless? That’s the way to do it. You’ve got to —
Q: Right. It’s both.
C: — give the time. (“SO — SO”)
Q: Hollywood stars who are reading this book and are going to be embarrassed, it’s all part of karma and Christ consciousness or whatever you want to call it. I didn’t choose this. It just happened.
C: Well I know but sometimes I think you’ve got to think about —
Q: Well I do but, see, that’s my problem. I try to think and I try to tell people not to name names but then sometimes the names just slip out.
C: Then it’s your duty to protect them if you’re — if their — your friends . . .
Q: Not if everyone’s going to be in my book. (small laugh) And so far it’s like everyone is going to be in my book.
C: Mm.
Q: At some point or other. I mean all the major stars anyway. Some of the major producers. (“I DON’T KNOW”) That’s why — I guess your —
C: Have you meditated on this?
Q: I medit(ate) — listen, I have an Angel in Mighael directing every moment of my life. I’m in constant meditation. I’m thinking —
C: It doesn’t mean that you have to give up responsibility for what your actions (are). Just because He’s directing you.
Q: My book is Q and A. So people can take — can interpret it anyway they want. I’m just the mechanism for it. So people can take it — I mean gossip and innuendo are one thing. Whether it’s really true or not people are going to have to make up their own minds. And, of course, in our town—especially working in public relations — I mean I’ve done — I mean I’m very well versed in public relations. That’s one of the reasons why I’m the one doing this. (“I’M” “DO”) Basically, just my message is — what is my message?
C: I don’t know.
Q: I know.
C: It’s not to tell these people to — what is it? To tell these people that —
Q: My book is total — (“OKAY”) it’s total — I have to be totally honest because the Angel gets pissed when I’m not totally honest or try to edit tapes or whatever. So I’m just going to put it out there —
N: Pick up Michael.
Q: — and let the chips fall where they may.
C: Okay.
Q: Michael Russell?
C: Hi.
B: Hi.
C: Mark is here.
B: I know. Hi, Mark. I’m sorry. I can’t make lunch.
Q: That’s okay. Larry can’t either apparently.
B: Oh really?
C: Larry’s out of the office. He had to go back to the set.
B: Oh he never called you?
Q: No.
B: Oh, I’m sorry. That’s a shame.
Q: Okay but I have one question for my book, Michael, because I’m interviewing Chris.
B: Right.
Q: What was the name of the street where you car was stolen on? Your Mazda?
B: Oh — God. It’s been so long.
Q: Was it Curson?
B: Curson? (“I”)
Q: Where James was living?
B: You know, I just do not remember.
Q: I think it was Curson. I passed it —
B: That could be it.
Q: Yeah, I passed it on the way over.
B: It was the street that James used to live on.
Q: Right.
B: It’s — I can ask him tonight. That’s no problem.
Q: Okay.
B: Okay, Chris?
C: Michael, do you think I should go to the Oscar nominations?
B: Why?
C: Because of Jonathan?
B: Oh. Well it’s on CNN live.
C: I know but don’t you think he expects me to be there?
B: It’s live so (how will) he know where you are? You know what I’m saying? I mean it’s live.
C: Alright. When you get back —
B: No one will know before you if you watch CNN.
C: Okay. I’ll talk to you about it later. I got a credential just in case.
B: Yeah, absolutely.
C: Yeah.
B: That’s great.
C: Okay.
B: And I just had — we had a great meeting with Jeff Gilmore.
C: Good.
B: And I think — he said he wouldn’t commit but he’s going to let us know Monday. But he wants to send — I think he wants to send a few films to do a
. . . symposium.
C: Great.
B: So if we have the American Cinematheque and Sundance and, by the way, Pierce Brosnan said yes he would definitely come.
C: Wow.
B: So I mean it’s real — things are really moving . . .
C: You can start making some announcements, Michael.
B: And Warren Beatty’s thinking abou(t) — yeah. Tomorrow we’re meeting with Mike Medavoy at nine-thirty.
C: Great.
B: So it’s really going gangbusters.
C: That’s excellent, Michael. That’s (“GG”) great.
B: So isn’t that g(ood)? Isn’t that exciting?
C: Yeah. It’s excellent.
B: Anything urgent? Or I’ll see you in about — I’ll see you like in an hour. I just want to go grab a quick bite.
C: I’m leaving to go to New Wave.
B: Okay.
C: The one thing that I’m concerned about is Spenser.
B: Okay, well I gave the changes to Tany. I think it’s in fine shape.
C: (O)kay, you’ve just got to stay on top of this a little bit though, Michael.
B: What? I will.
C: I mean I don’t know who’s going to call Lionel to tell him — maybe you should — to call Peter Bart.
B: I’ll be happy to.
C: Alright. Just — if you can just stay on top of it, that’s really (“YEAH”) what I need.
B: Fine.
C: Okay.
B: In fact, just tell Tany to see me when I get back and we’ll call him together.
C: Okay.
B: And I’ll lead the conversation.
C: Alright, that sounds great.
B: Okay?
C: Now you got my note about your expenses?
B: Yeah . . .
C: Tom said it can not come out of 71009 that — which I thought was true.
B: I don’t — so what does that mean?
C: You’ve got to go back to the revenues of those people and divide that money and take it out of that money.
B: I mean — okay but they — their checks have already been — came in.
C: No, it doesn’t matter, Michael. (“I”) It just comes out of our revenue. You’ve got to talk to John Lundy.
B: Okay, so I’ve got to figure — I — call John and figure out how that billing is.
C: Exactly.
B: Okay. Fine.
C: Alright. Good.
B: Okay.
C: So I’ll see you later.
B: Talk to you later.
C: Okay, bye.
B: Bye.
Q: You have a lot — (“NN”) terms of — you’ve got to run this whole department.
C: Yeah, I know.
Q: And I know how cheap they are in terms of — I mean I know. Because I worked at Slade, Grant, Hartman and Hartman.
C: Mmm.
Q: You know? But anyway — so okay so I’ll let you go to work.
C: Thanks, Mark.
Q: These things happen.
C: I know. (“BUT” “LOOK LIKE”) Another time when I have some time, I’ll spend it with you. I promise.
Q: Well I know. No, I know. I know.
C: Do you want this back?
Q: What is that? No — you can keep that.
C: Okay.
Q: But, real quick, I was just asking — any more juicy gossip for my book? (“NN”) Without naming names?
C: Let me think about it, okay?
Q: Okay.
C: I’ll think about it.
Q: Because that’s really what — we’ll have lunch sometime.
C: Okay.
Q: You’re P.R. though. I don’t know if I’m going to get any good information out of you.
C: (small laugh)
Q: Even though I’m sure you know where all the bodies are buried.
C: Not all of them.
Q: But some of them.
C: Some of them.
Q: Enou(gh).
C: (small laugh)
Q: Okay.
C: Alright, honey.
Q: I’ll see you later. . .
N: Michael’s not . . .
C: If you want to stay, you know you’re welcome to sit down and rest.
Q: Well no, I’ll just go home to eat, I guess or maybe I’ll have lunch at the Hamburger Hamlet or something. I’ll just say hello to Seth. I want to meet Seth.
C: He’s sick.
Q: Is he here — ohhh.
N: I can give him your — the number.
Q: Is he? What’s wrong with him?
C: He’s just not feeling well.
N: You can call him up at home and see how he’s feeling. (small laugh)
Q: Well no, that’s okay. No, it’s just that — you know, it’s like another one of the things I’m finding out is that in terms of synchronicity a lot of people have been very sick around me. Nothing (“LIKE”) lethal most of the time. (“BUT”) There’s been more than my fair share.
C: It’s just the flu season I think . . .
N: (laughs)
Q: Yes but flu is a very mysterious thing.
C: I know. (“WHY”)
Q: Why does it hit some people some of the time?
C: I think it’s all your aura and if it’s clean or it has holes in it or not.
Q: Exactly. That’s what I’m saying.
C: I know. Just stay clear of those holes.
Q: Exactly. Have you stayed clear of them?
C: (knocks twice on desk) I’ve been.
Q: What about — I thought you were sick a couple weeks ago.
C: I know (“NOW”) — that’s —
Q: Well?
C: — stress.
Q: Exactly.
C: Pure . . . stress.
Q: I’m just saying we all have to thank about karma and balance —
C: I know I know I know I know I know.
Q: Okay.
C: Okay.
Q: I love you.
C: Bye, honey.
Q: You’re sweet.
C: I love you too, Mark.
Q: You’re so sweet. I love your look. I love everything about you.
C: Thanks, sweetheart. I love you too.
Q: Okay.
C: You’re becoming so remarkably handsome. (“OH MY”) You always were —
Q: Uh-oh.
C: — but now it’s like — it’s really out there. For everyone to see and (“TOUCH”) touch.
Q: And how’s your husband again?
C: Fabulous.
Q: What’s his name?
C: Leonard.
Q: That’s right.
C: He’s great.
Q: I only met him once.
C: He’s the best.
Q: Okay.
C: Okay.
Q: Okay. See ya.
N: Bye. It was nice to meet you.
Q: Okay, bye.
( . . . )
Q: Jennifer, we were just talking about you.
J: Ohhh God, look at this wonderful hug and I need it so much.
Q: Why do you need it?
J: Ohhh God . . .
Q: What?
J: It’s just been a rough couple of days.
Q: What happened?
J: Ohh, this feels so good . . . Russell.
Q: What happened?
J: Oh the usual.
Q: Don’t name names but what happened.
J: Oh it’s the usual stuff that happens in any company when —
Q: ‘Bullshit.’
J: — you’re dealing with a lot of people with a lot of thoughts and feelings.
Q: And you’re so spiritual.
J: And emotions . . .
Q: How do you feel having to deal with that?
J: Oh no, don’t take it so seriously.
Q: No, I’m not.
J: Please. Did you just take Michael to lunch?
Q: No, I was supposed to go out to lunch with Larry and he’s not here.
J: Larry Garrison?
Q: Right.
J: Oh. Yeah. No, Larry’s on the set all day today. You were supposed —
Q: How — yeah.
J: — to have lunch with Larry?
Q: He’s very good at remembering those things. Going to lunch?
J: Oh . . . for lunch
Q: Are you going to lunch?
J: There’s no way that I could take the time to go to lunch but you know what? Let’s go downstairs . . . and we can talk a little bit.
Q: Okay, fine. Okay. (“BUT WHAT’S THE”)
J: And you can tell me what you and Michael were talking about.
Q: Let me just get my validation for my parking. Okay. (“MAY N”)
J: Whatever.
( . . . )
J: . . . even though they don’t want to be.
Q: I was just telling Jennifer about Patty at the party. About the angel business. And she has theories too so she’s very spiritually — how come? Why are you so spiritually developed, do you think? Is it just something you — (“DO YOU”) do a lot of reading in the area?
J: Um-uh. No.
Q: It’s just something innately you feel?
J: It’s something innately I feel and when I read Betty Ede’s book I knew that everything she had in there — pretty much everything in there —
Q: Who’s book?
J: Betty Ede’s. Embraced By The Light. (“O”)
Q: Um-huh.
J: When I read that book, I knew intuitively that most everything that she says is true. Because I felt that all the year — all my years.
Q: Well I can’t wait til you read my book.
J: I’m looking forward to it.
Q: Because my book is like a New Age Testament. It goes into every different aspect of the New Age.
J: Excellent. I’m looking forward to it. So now what did Chris say? She said it’s hard for her to get a take on me in terms of reincarnation or just in general?
Q: Well I’m not sure if it’s reincarnation or whose energy your close to. Can I have this napkin?
J: Of course. It’s for you. (“K”)
Q: You’re so considerate. So you were tell — talking — saying that this was a hard day for you. (“YOU HH”) You’re dealing with a lot of egos. So it’s almost like you want to —
J: Tell me about it.
Q: — remove this bad ego karma from the planet by dealing with it. Do you understand that?
J: Um-huh. Well but I can’t get rid of somebody else’s ego.
Q: Exactly.
J: All I have to do is deal with it. Well, wait, so Chris said that she was having trouble . You didn’t answer that. In general or just in terms of reincarnation? (“NOTHING”)
Q: You know how —
J: Because she does — it’s true. She . . .
Q: — you can see something psychic come into her mind — (“SHE’S LIKE”) flashes right into her mind. (“NN”) Something came for Larry like yesterday but nothing was coming for you.
J: No.
Q: So there must be something — you must be very unusual in terms of your previous incarnations. Like maybe you weren’t human.
J: Hm? . . .
Q: Maybe you were like some kind of elemental being. No, you were like a — maybe you were like an elemental or a fairy or something.
J: Really?
Q: Well it’s possible. I mean if Patty can be an angel, you might have been an elemental or fairy.
J: This could be. But you know what? It may simply be that Chris just doesn’t feel me because she just doesn’t. And it may simply be that somebody else might be able to feel me better.
Q: Right. (“THAT’S TRUE”) So, anyway, you’ve been working in Hollywood for how many years now?
J: A long time.
Q: Okay, this is going to challenge you a little bit.
J: Okay — (“BB” “I”)
Q: My book is turning into a tell-all book about Hollywood.
J: (small laugh)
Q: Whenever possible, I don’t name names or the people I interview don’t name names. And sometimes I do because I’m bad. But is there any situation involving —
J: Being bad is a little good.
Q: Exactly.
J: A little bad is good.
Q: Exactly.
J: (small laugh)
Q: Life would be very boring —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: UPON TRANSCRIBING THIS ON JAN. 16, 2000, I NOW ALSO RECOGNIZE NAME SYNCHRONICITY WITH FRONT PAGE COLUMN ONE WRITER LAURA DOLAN’S NAME AND THE HEADLINE “LOUISIANA UPSET BOOSTS RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES.”)
Q: And, by the way, have you noticed the stock market keeps going up and Mighael had me sell all my stocks? I guess (“WELL”) first of all, I guess He just didn’t want me thinking about it even though I think I think about it just as much after selling them but who knows? Maybe He just wanted to make the point for my book when it was going down and I don’t even know. All I know is that I’m sure I’ll be well taken care of. If not, I can always keep one of the antiques for myself, right? I’m just kidding.
( . . . )
Q: Oh great. I noticed in the Metro section in an article entitled “First Lady’s Backers Flock to Book Tour” by Miles Corwin, Times staff writer, Carol Lawrence-Bell of Anaheim is quoted as saying: “D’Amato is the scum of the earth. He and the rest of them should leave Hillary alone. I’m here as a show of support for her.” And under the picture: “Hillary Rodham Clinton, introduced by Daniella Fortuna, 10, helped raise money for Children’s Hospital.” Does anyone really think that there’s nothing to a name? Right above this is an article about Fred Goldman’s lawyer and the usual Simpson stuff and they mention a Karen Gold (“IN THIS”) in the same article by Miles Corwin. I wonder if it’s the same Karen Gold I know. Anyway.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE CORWIN ARTICLE NOTES “DURING THE FIRST LEG OF HER BOOK TOUR LAST MONTH IN NEW YORK, BOSTON, ILLINOIS AND ARKANSAS, CLINTON HAD BEEN DOGGED BY WHITEWATER QUESTIONS. WHILE SHE MANAGED TO AVOID THE SUBJECT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, SHE PROBABLY WILL FACE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOOK TOUR WHEN SHE RETURNS TO WASHINGTON. TAXPAYERS ARE BEARING A SIGNIFICANT COST OF THE TOUR BECAUSE THE 12-SEAT GOVERNMENT PLANE SHE IS USING COSTS $2,890 AN HOUR TO FLY, AND CLINTON’S PUBLISHER IS ONLY PAYING PART OF THE EXPENSE.”)
Q: Terry, I’m cheating. I’m writing my book (“B”) while doing the callbacks on the Hotline.
T: It is not cheating. If you have the time —
Q: But I’m sending material to someone who lives in Bell and the name of the clinic there —
T: You know, if you’re doing a book, it would be best to stay as totally confidential —
Q: No, I am. That’s not why I’m saying anything. No, I’m just saying he lives in Bell and I’m saying that the clinic I referred is on Jefferson Boulevard. And, look, Larry — I mean — I’m sorry, Terry —
T: (laughs)
Q: I’m having lunch with Larry today — there’s the Philadelphia liberty bell (on a postcard) right here.
T: So that’s — there’s a connection?
Q: Exactly.
T: The question I have is what is the connection (“U”) with that old adobe. Do you know where that is?
Q: Where is that?
T: That is in Abu Dhabi. Have you ever even heard of Abu Dhabi?
Q: No. Do you know what — have you been there?
T: Well, no, I did business with — (“ITS”) they’re the Gulf Emirates. It’s Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Qatar and Bahrain.
Q: Well they look pretty (much) like they’re living in poverty.
T: It’s — probably . . .
Q: So there is a definite connection here. (“YES”)
T: Yes. (“K”) But there’s no bell.
Q: Well —
T: However —
Q: — it’s a symbol though.
T: It is.
Q: So —
T: But here’s the symbol. This is the symbol you want to deal with. “The Pig Star — A Pork Story.”
Q: Oh really?
T: There is no bigger name in Southern California than Farmer John.
Q: But you have to remember this is the year of the pig. Did you see “Babe”?
T: It’s cosmic and it’s all connected.
Q: Exactly. (“BUT WHAT”) The scary thing you told me about today was the fact that HIV was found ten and a half months —
T: But I didn’t tell you that. I showed you it.
Q: Right. In an article. (“RIGHT”)
T: But, more importantly, HIV transmission by oral sexual contact by men who have sex with men — a risk was associated with crack cocaine use . . .
Q: No, but the one — it said 10.5 months after exposure, an antibody test turns positive.
T: Isn’t that bizarre?
Q: That’s bizarre. That’s revolutionary.
T: Well I wouldn’t be that quick to say that — but is —
Q: Well.
T: — out of the norm, no question about it.
Q: Exactly. I better get back to work.
( . . . )
Q: So, anyway, I met Larry Gibson today who’s helping us with our computers and he said something very funny when I mentioned that I had Windows and was having problems. He said:
L: I don’t do Windows.
Q: And why don’t you do Windows? I mean because it’s —
L: I just don’t like it.
Q: — difficult? You don’t — and why don’t you like it?
L: I like — the nuts and bolts I like to be at a lower level where I can do everything I don’t want them to do all the work for me.
Q: Okay. Well thank you.
( . . . )
Q: Michael’s new assistant — (“OR”) who is it? Chris’s new assistant?
C: Well this is very strange because I hired Nancy because I thought she was so wonderful. And she was in the music industry at Virgin Records. And when she came over here, they called her and begged her to come back. They created a position for her so she’s going back to her true love, music.
Q: And her name is?
N: Nancy Himmel. (small laugh)
Q: And Himmel means?
N: Heaven in German.
Q: So there’s definite great karma here at Rogers and Cowan. There are people with ‘Michael’ in their names and ‘son’ in their names and Michael’s —
N: What does Michael mean?
Q: Michael? It’s a long story but I have an Angel in my life named Mighael and — as well as my twin brother’s name. I’m channeling Mighael. So now I’m realizing all through my life I know all these people named Michael. So, anyway, it’s interesting. And there are all these interesting symbolic religious or pseudo-religious names that people come in (“CO[N]”) to contact with me. Isn’t it weird?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: NAME SYNCHRONICITY ALSO INCLUDES CHRISTINE LA MONTE RESIDING IN BEL-AIR.)
N: I think so. So are you writing a book about that?
Q: I’m writing — yeah — (“[I’]M”) currently on — I have, like, fifty tapes or so of interviews so in fact I just let Chris (“T”) take a peek at hers. Hers was very short so I’m going to try to get her to say something today.
N: (laughs)
Q: And I’m going to lunch with Larry. (“SO”)
C: Larry who?
Q: Larry Garrison.
C: No, he’s — I don’t think he can go out.
Q: Oh really? Oh no, he knew —
C: He’s at the set.
N: He called in earlier and —
Q: Oh.
N: — to check in — but you were in with Adrian so he said he’d call back.
C: Yeah, he’s at the set.
Q: Oh my God.
C: He’s going to meet me up here at New Wave in Burbank.
Q: Because he knew — I mean he knew. He’s very good about that usually. He forgot. Oh well.
C: I guess so.
Q: Well then I’ll go to lunch with Mike.
C: Sorry, Michael’s out too.
Q: He’s out too? Well he said he might be back though. (“YEAH”)
C: He’ll be back. You can wait.
Q: I’ll wait. Okay.
C: Interview . . .
Q: This is so — Larry never forgets lunch appointments.
( . . . )
N: . . . Mike so —
Q: Really? Okay.
N: So I should be excited because —
Q: You met a boy named Michael and it might be romantic?
N: Well his name is Mike. Yeah.
?: Mikey.
N: It might be romantic. A couple weeks ago.
Q: Okay. Well this is very curious.
N: Yes.
Q: Very curious.
C: . . . brother’s named Michael. What does that mean?
Q: What’s his last name?
N: Easterlin.
Q: What is it? Really? Easterling? L — I — N — G?
N: L — I — N. Does that mean anything?
Q: Well ‘Easter,’ my goodness.
N: Easter’s (laughs) . . .
Q: That’s a very important religious holiday. And your brother —
C: Can I interrupt for just one second?
Q: Yeah, sure.
C: Can I have my —
( . . . )
Q: On your desk there’s a day — (“A[H]”) a fax to — who is that?
C: Jaycee Goldman.
Q: You’ll have to see what this means. (“BUT”) Synchronicity-wise, there are all these people with the name ‘son’ and ‘man’ and ‘Michael’ in my — that I’m meeting. I’m just now realizing this.
C: Okay.
Q: But now, as you know, I’m sorry (“TO”) to barge in on Chris but my lunch appointment is not here so I think this means that Mighael wants me to do a very quick interview with Chris La Monte.
C: (small laugh)
Q: Because she’s so busy doing her wonderful films. What other pro(jects) — last time you only had a chance to name a few projects so what are some of the films you’re working on now?
C: Jonathan Pryce is in “Carrington” and I’m hoping that he’ll be nominated on the 13th and I was just putting in a request for credentials for the nominations. We’re working — we just finished up the Golden Globes. We’re doing the Artists’ Rights Foundation and Awards show next week. We’re — I — also representing and doing a party reception for the National Film Commission of Mexico and we’ll probably do Showbiz Expo this year. We represent a lot of directors and producers, as you know, and we’re doing “Normal Life,” the film, and we’re doing the unit publicity on “Drive,” a film for Overseas First Look.
Q: And who directed it?
C: Mmm. I don’t know.
Q: Or produced it? Okay.
C: Sorry, I don’t know. (small laugh) Larry’s the unit publicist.
Q: Oh, okay.
C: What else? We have a (“N”) lot of things going on.
Q: Let’s see — what else was I going to ask you? Why can’t I think today? (“ANYWAY”) Oh — reincarnation-wise —
C: Yes.
Q: You’re very good and psychic sometimes.
C: Yes.
Q: Who do you think — the first name that comes into your mind. It’s a wonderful game I’m playing for my book — I have two people who work at Rogers and Cowan to ask you who they’re the reincarnation of. First: Larry Garrison.
C: Okay I got a flash on this yesterday actually. He comes from Bruges or that area. (“GOT A”) Pure flash on this.
Q: Where is that? I don’t —
C: Bruges is in the Netherlands. It’s outside of Amsterdam. He’s from Bruges.
Q: Yeah. And now — and also Jennifer.
C: From probably the 14th or 15th Century.
Q: Wow. And now Jennifer Kutner?
C: (no response)
Q: She’s a hard one, isn’t she? Because she’s very spiritually developed I find. (“SHE’S”) Very spiritual. (“BE ON THE PHONE”) She thinks she’s a young soul. I don’t know. She was saying (“SOME”) — she was saying very wise things.
C: She’s very complex. She must be on the cusp because she’s not clear. (“I HEAR” or “I HERE”)
Q: She’s not clear, yeah.
C: She’s not clear about some stuff. I think spiritually she’s clear but being on this Earth I don’t think she’s clear. (small laugh)
Q: You know, I must tell you that (“NO”) after all that strange phenomena happened to me way back in August — today’s like —
N: Where do I find the bios?
C: Remember, you made up those capabilities that we sent out in a package? Did you ever do that?
N: I didn’t do that. The ones that were given to me for that — we sent out — the proposal?
C: Right.
N: Kenya got them but I don’t know where she got them from.
C: Do you have a copy of the proposal? Look in here for a copy of one of the proposals and you can just find my bio in one of those. I don’t know where they keep them out there. Sorry.
Q: I see you have a Dictionary by David Thomson. Anyway, what were we talking about?
C: Plus Ann Thomson’s —
Q: Oh is he —
C: Yeah.
Q: Okay. It’s all one community. And so —
C: We were talking about Jennifer. And she’s very evolved spiritually, which I agree with. But I think on this planet maybe she’s too evolved.
Q: Maybe this is her first time on this planet and that’s why she’s too evolved. Because she was saying really nice things and she’s so sweet.
C: Or maybe it’s (“HER”) the last time on this planet. (“HERE”) And she doesn’t need to be here. It’s like beyond her.
Q: Maybe it’s all of our last time on this planet.
N: In here there’s all the originals.
C: Oh. (Or “O”) (small laugh) But I’m not in this one. That’s before my time . . .
Q: I know what I was saying. What I was saying before was, like, this is the first day I really feel like my normal self.
C: Really?
Q: Because when I do interviews I try to be something — I try (“NO”) to be very politically correct or to be — I don’t know. Trying to, like, right all the wrongs in the world and today I decided I’m just going to be me. (“AND I”)
Because I want to be nice. Like my book about Hollywood is turning out to be — like a lot of people are going to be very embarrassed.
C: Why?
Q: Because (“NO”) sexual preferences will be revealed — (“OR”)
C: Does that intrigue you or interest you?
Q: No. It’s just sort of one of those things.
N: . . . I didn’t know — what’s it going to be titled? . . .
Q: Well my first book is called Testament. I’m not sure what my second — (“MY”) my second book probably will be called New Testament. I’m very original.
N: (small laugh)
Q: So —
N: Because I’ll have to go out and get it.
Q: Well yeah. (“I’M”) Hope it’ll be published this year.
C: Yeah, you can just xerox that. Xerox that and keep it out there so you have it.
N: Okay.
C: Then you give that back to me so I can put it in this file?
N: Okay.
C: Thanks.
Q: So, anyway, real quick, Chris, this is a very difficult area for me obviously since I’m sort of —
C: Reincarnation? (“FATE”)
Q: No. (“JST”) Fate has made me this character who’s writing (“LIKE”) this book and so I’m basically trying to be nice and trying to let people know that they can be comfortable in their sexuality and that even drugs in Hollywood is alright because these are what people have to go through during this existence to reach — you know, their kar(ma) —
C: I feel two ways about this. I me(an) (or “I ME”) I think your personal sexual preference is really a personal, private issue that no one should even care about or inquire about. It’s who I sleep with is my own business and —
Q: Exactly.
C: — what I do with this body is of no concern to anyone else (“BUT”) but me.
Q: Stars, though, we’re talking about.
C: Even with them I don’t think it’s necessary to make those enquiries, personally.
Q: And see — now I . . .
C: But if it — on the other hand, though, they can be heroes by coming out because they’re —
Q: Exactly.
C: — icons and people can say, “If they can do that, so can I.” It might be easier for others to make that transition.
Q: Exactly. That’s the point. I guess that’s the reason why this is happening.
C: Maybe it is.
Q: Because I never set out to do this. (“BUT”) In the meantime, you don’t have to name names — (“BUT”) I’ve had some really interesting stories so far in my book. You know, the usual ones. The gerbils and people sleeping with one another on the set. Those kinds of things. But what is the most scandalous, interesting story that you’ve heard during your career? And you don’t have to name names. In terms of like what happened. It could be a producer. It could be marketing. It could be an executive. Someone who did you dirt. I mean you know. Karma we’re talking here. Because look what happened to Don Simpson. I mean you know.
C: Mmmmmm. I don’t think I’ve been that close to scandal in my life.
Q: Well no but — okay but —
C: There was one producer —
Q: — rudeness —
C: — this is silly but one producer, when I picked him up in one of the cities that I was covering for his personal appearance tour, the first thing he said is, “I want drugs. I want women. And I want them right away. And you have to get them for me.” . . .
Q: What did you say?
C: I said, “No.” I said, “That’s not what I do.” And so the limousine driver got him everything that he needed and the next day he left without doing his PA tour. (small laugh)
Q: Oh my goodness.
C: Left me a note — said, “Sorry. See you later.”
Q: So you got screwed figuratively.
C: True. Bum. Yeah, I guess. (“UH-HUH”) Now what was I going to — I was just flashing — oh on the way over.
N: Michelle from . . . New York is on the phone and wanted to have information on Artists’ Rights so I was directing her — Denver?
C: Denver.
Q: I’ll turn it off.
( . . . )
(“I”)
Q: Okay. Oh — so, real quick, I realized today — I was hearing on the way over in the car REM is getting like $20,000 because their song is going to be in a new movie. (“SO”) My message in my book is — “well, fine, they’re very talented but everyone on Earth — it is now being revealed in my book — they have to give back as much as they get to prove their love for God. This is not a message that people who are very rich are going to want to hear. It’s a very scary message. (“BUT”) Our planet is falling apart. We have ozone — we have all these problems.
C: I think this is part of the nature and the plan for the planet. I don’t think it’s anything that wasn’t in store for it or wasn’t predicted for it or wasn’t — (“WELL”)
Q: Some people are predicting the end of the world.
C: It has to end sometime. And it ends for how many people every day in one form or another?
Q: But I think —
C: I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I think the end of the world comes (“YEAH”) and we go to another plane. What’s the big (“RI”) deal?
Q: Well pe(ople) — (or “WELL PE” “BU[T]”)
C: It doesn’t bother me.
Q: Ohhh I think — see, I think Earth could be a heaven if people would just —
C: I don’t think that’s what it’s for.
Q: Ohhhh.
C: I think it’s here really as a school. And when school’s over it’s like on to the next thing. If you aren’t ready, that’s your own problem. If you didn’t pay attention of if you didn’t learn —
Q: Well what about all these people who didn’t pay back as much as they took in life. What will happen to them?
C: I guess they just have to keep going to — a place to work that out until they get it right.
Q: Well that’s good. That’s very — so you don’t believe anyone’s really damned?
C: No, I don’t. (“WHY”)
Q: And besides that’s all a matter of interpretation. Because some people would wake up in heaven and say, “I’m in hell.”
C: That’s right.
Q: “I’m in hell.” It’s like me working at transcribing. It’s like, “I hate this. I don’t want to do this.”
C: (small laugh)
Q: I’ve done too much of this.” (“N I”) I even broke my headphones the other day I was so mad.
C: Oh my God.
Q: But it’s like I enjoy this more than anything. It’s nice having an Entity that loves me and accepts me, no matter — even when I all Him bad names. However, I am supposed to be giving these messages to mankind. (“TO”) Help the homeless and to save the rain forest.
C: I think the best way to do it is through example.
Q: Exactly. (“WELL”)
C: Have you been doing that? You have been — I mean —
Q: I don’t know what example to —
C: You do.
Q: Even now I’m writing a tell-all book about Hollywood and making —
C: But you’re also — weren’t you, you know, advising patients with AIDS or weren’t you do — working with the homeless? That’s the way to do it. You’ve got to —
Q: Right. It’s both.
C: — give the time. (“SO — SO”)
Q: Hollywood stars who are reading this book and are going to be embarrassed, it’s all part of karma and Christ consciousness or whatever you want to call it. I didn’t choose this. It just happened.
C: Well I know but sometimes I think you’ve got to think about —
Q: Well I do but, see, that’s my problem. I try to think and I try to tell people not to name names but then sometimes the names just slip out.
C: Then it’s your duty to protect them if you’re — if their — your friends . . .
Q: Not if everyone’s going to be in my book. (small laugh) And so far it’s like everyone is going to be in my book.
C: Mm.
Q: At some point or other. I mean all the major stars anyway. Some of the major producers. (“I DON’T KNOW”) That’s why — I guess your —
C: Have you meditated on this?
Q: I medit(ate) — listen, I have an Angel in Mighael directing every moment of my life. I’m in constant meditation. I’m thinking —
C: It doesn’t mean that you have to give up responsibility for what your actions (are). Just because He’s directing you.
Q: My book is Q and A. So people can take — can interpret it anyway they want. I’m just the mechanism for it. So people can take it — I mean gossip and innuendo are one thing. Whether it’s really true or not people are going to have to make up their own minds. And, of course, in our town—especially working in public relations — I mean I’ve done — I mean I’m very well versed in public relations. That’s one of the reasons why I’m the one doing this. (“I’M” “DO”) Basically, just my message is — what is my message?
C: I don’t know.
Q: I know.
C: It’s not to tell these people to — what is it? To tell these people that —
Q: My book is total — (“OKAY”) it’s total — I have to be totally honest because the Angel gets pissed when I’m not totally honest or try to edit tapes or whatever. So I’m just going to put it out there —
N: Pick up Michael.
Q: — and let the chips fall where they may.
C: Okay.
Q: Michael Russell?
C: Hi.
B: Hi.
C: Mark is here.
B: I know. Hi, Mark. I’m sorry. I can’t make lunch.
Q: That’s okay. Larry can’t either apparently.
B: Oh really?
C: Larry’s out of the office. He had to go back to the set.
B: Oh he never called you?
Q: No.
B: Oh, I’m sorry. That’s a shame.
Q: Okay but I have one question for my book, Michael, because I’m interviewing Chris.
B: Right.
Q: What was the name of the street where you car was stolen on? Your Mazda?
B: Oh — God. It’s been so long.
Q: Was it Curson?
B: Curson? (“I”)
Q: Where James was living?
B: You know, I just do not remember.
Q: I think it was Curson. I passed it —
B: That could be it.
Q: Yeah, I passed it on the way over.
B: It was the street that James used to live on.
Q: Right.
B: It’s — I can ask him tonight. That’s no problem.
Q: Okay.
B: Okay, Chris?
C: Michael, do you think I should go to the Oscar nominations?
B: Why?
C: Because of Jonathan?
B: Oh. Well it’s on CNN live.
C: I know but don’t you think he expects me to be there?
B: It’s live so (how will) he know where you are? You know what I’m saying? I mean it’s live.
C: Alright. When you get back —
B: No one will know before you if you watch CNN.
C: Okay. I’ll talk to you about it later. I got a credential just in case.
B: Yeah, absolutely.
C: Yeah.
B: That’s great.
C: Okay.
B: And I just had — we had a great meeting with Jeff Gilmore.
C: Good.
B: And I think — he said he wouldn’t commit but he’s going to let us know Monday. But he wants to send — I think he wants to send a few films to do a
. . . symposium.
C: Great.
B: So if we have the American Cinematheque and Sundance and, by the way, Pierce Brosnan said yes he would definitely come.
C: Wow.
B: So I mean it’s real — things are really moving . . .
C: You can start making some announcements, Michael.
B: And Warren Beatty’s thinking abou(t) — yeah. Tomorrow we’re meeting with Mike Medavoy at nine-thirty.
C: Great.
B: So it’s really going gangbusters.
C: That’s excellent, Michael. That’s (“GG”) great.
B: So isn’t that g(ood)? Isn’t that exciting?
C: Yeah. It’s excellent.
B: Anything urgent? Or I’ll see you in about — I’ll see you like in an hour. I just want to go grab a quick bite.
C: I’m leaving to go to New Wave.
B: Okay.
C: The one thing that I’m concerned about is Spenser.
B: Okay, well I gave the changes to Tany. I think it’s in fine shape.
C: (O)kay, you’ve just got to stay on top of this a little bit though, Michael.
B: What? I will.
C: I mean I don’t know who’s going to call Lionel to tell him — maybe you should — to call Peter Bart.
B: I’ll be happy to.
C: Alright. Just — if you can just stay on top of it, that’s really (“YEAH”) what I need.
B: Fine.
C: Okay.
B: In fact, just tell Tany to see me when I get back and we’ll call him together.
C: Okay.
B: And I’ll lead the conversation.
C: Alright, that sounds great.
B: Okay?
C: Now you got my note about your expenses?
B: Yeah . . .
C: Tom said it can not come out of 71009 that — which I thought was true.
B: I don’t — so what does that mean?
C: You’ve got to go back to the revenues of those people and divide that money and take it out of that money.
B: I mean — okay but they — their checks have already been — came in.
C: No, it doesn’t matter, Michael. (“I”) It just comes out of our revenue. You’ve got to talk to John Lundy.
B: Okay, so I’ve got to figure — I — call John and figure out how that billing is.
C: Exactly.
B: Okay. Fine.
C: Alright. Good.
B: Okay.
C: So I’ll see you later.
B: Talk to you later.
C: Okay, bye.
B: Bye.
Q: You have a lot — (“NN”) terms of — you’ve got to run this whole department.
C: Yeah, I know.
Q: And I know how cheap they are in terms of — I mean I know. Because I worked at Slade, Grant, Hartman and Hartman.
C: Mmm.
Q: You know? But anyway — so okay so I’ll let you go to work.
C: Thanks, Mark.
Q: These things happen.
C: I know. (“BUT” “LOOK LIKE”) Another time when I have some time, I’ll spend it with you. I promise.
Q: Well I know. No, I know. I know.
C: Do you want this back?
Q: What is that? No — you can keep that.
C: Okay.
Q: But, real quick, I was just asking — any more juicy gossip for my book? (“NN”) Without naming names?
C: Let me think about it, okay?
Q: Okay.
C: I’ll think about it.
Q: Because that’s really what — we’ll have lunch sometime.
C: Okay.
Q: You’re P.R. though. I don’t know if I’m going to get any good information out of you.
C: (small laugh)
Q: Even though I’m sure you know where all the bodies are buried.
C: Not all of them.
Q: But some of them.
C: Some of them.
Q: Enou(gh).
C: (small laugh)
Q: Okay.
C: Alright, honey.
Q: I’ll see you later. . .
N: Michael’s not . . .
C: If you want to stay, you know you’re welcome to sit down and rest.
Q: Well no, I’ll just go home to eat, I guess or maybe I’ll have lunch at the Hamburger Hamlet or something. I’ll just say hello to Seth. I want to meet Seth.
C: He’s sick.
Q: Is he here — ohhh.
N: I can give him your — the number.
Q: Is he? What’s wrong with him?
C: He’s just not feeling well.
N: You can call him up at home and see how he’s feeling. (small laugh)
Q: Well no, that’s okay. No, it’s just that — you know, it’s like another one of the things I’m finding out is that in terms of synchronicity a lot of people have been very sick around me. Nothing (“LIKE”) lethal most of the time. (“BUT”) There’s been more than my fair share.
C: It’s just the flu season I think . . .
N: (laughs)
Q: Yes but flu is a very mysterious thing.
C: I know. (“WHY”)
Q: Why does it hit some people some of the time?
C: I think it’s all your aura and if it’s clean or it has holes in it or not.
Q: Exactly. That’s what I’m saying.
C: I know. Just stay clear of those holes.
Q: Exactly. Have you stayed clear of them?
C: (knocks twice on desk) I’ve been.
Q: What about — I thought you were sick a couple weeks ago.
C: I know (“NOW”) — that’s —
Q: Well?
C: — stress.
Q: Exactly.
C: Pure . . . stress.
Q: I’m just saying we all have to thank about karma and balance —
C: I know I know I know I know I know.
Q: Okay.
C: Okay.
Q: I love you.
C: Bye, honey.
Q: You’re sweet.
C: I love you too, Mark.
Q: You’re so sweet. I love your look. I love everything about you.
C: Thanks, sweetheart. I love you too.
Q: Okay.
C: You’re becoming so remarkably handsome. (“OH MY”) You always were —
Q: Uh-oh.
C: — but now it’s like — it’s really out there. For everyone to see and (“TOUCH”) touch.
Q: And how’s your husband again?
C: Fabulous.
Q: What’s his name?
C: Leonard.
Q: That’s right.
C: He’s great.
Q: I only met him once.
C: He’s the best.
Q: Okay.
C: Okay.
Q: Okay. See ya.
N: Bye. It was nice to meet you.
Q: Okay, bye.
( . . . )
Q: Jennifer, we were just talking about you.
J: Ohhh God, look at this wonderful hug and I need it so much.
Q: Why do you need it?
J: Ohhh God . . .
Q: What?
J: It’s just been a rough couple of days.
Q: What happened?
J: Ohh, this feels so good . . . Russell.
Q: What happened?
J: Oh the usual.
Q: Don’t name names but what happened.
J: Oh it’s the usual stuff that happens in any company when —
Q: ‘Bullshit.’
J: — you’re dealing with a lot of people with a lot of thoughts and feelings.
Q: And you’re so spiritual.
J: And emotions . . .
Q: How do you feel having to deal with that?
J: Oh no, don’t take it so seriously.
Q: No, I’m not.
J: Please. Did you just take Michael to lunch?
Q: No, I was supposed to go out to lunch with Larry and he’s not here.
J: Larry Garrison?
Q: Right.
J: Oh. Yeah. No, Larry’s on the set all day today. You were supposed —
Q: How — yeah.
J: — to have lunch with Larry?
Q: He’s very good at remembering those things. Going to lunch?
J: Oh . . . for lunch
Q: Are you going to lunch?
J: There’s no way that I could take the time to go to lunch but you know what? Let’s go downstairs . . . and we can talk a little bit.
Q: Okay, fine. Okay. (“BUT WHAT’S THE”)
J: And you can tell me what you and Michael were talking about.
Q: Let me just get my validation for my parking. Okay. (“MAY N”)
J: Whatever.
( . . . )
J: . . . even though they don’t want to be.
Q: I was just telling Jennifer about Patty at the party. About the angel business. And she has theories too so she’s very spiritually — how come? Why are you so spiritually developed, do you think? Is it just something you — (“DO YOU”) do a lot of reading in the area?
J: Um-uh. No.
Q: It’s just something innately you feel?
J: It’s something innately I feel and when I read Betty Ede’s book I knew that everything she had in there — pretty much everything in there —
Q: Who’s book?
J: Betty Ede’s. Embraced By The Light. (“O”)
Q: Um-huh.
J: When I read that book, I knew intuitively that most everything that she says is true. Because I felt that all the year — all my years.
Q: Well I can’t wait til you read my book.
J: I’m looking forward to it.
Q: Because my book is like a New Age Testament. It goes into every different aspect of the New Age.
J: Excellent. I’m looking forward to it. So now what did Chris say? She said it’s hard for her to get a take on me in terms of reincarnation or just in general?
Q: Well I’m not sure if it’s reincarnation or whose energy your close to. Can I have this napkin?
J: Of course. It’s for you. (“K”)
Q: You’re so considerate. So you were tell — talking — saying that this was a hard day for you. (“YOU HH”) You’re dealing with a lot of egos. So it’s almost like you want to —
J: Tell me about it.
Q: — remove this bad ego karma from the planet by dealing with it. Do you understand that?
J: Um-huh. Well but I can’t get rid of somebody else’s ego.
Q: Exactly.
J: All I have to do is deal with it. Well, wait, so Chris said that she was having trouble . You didn’t answer that. In general or just in terms of reincarnation? (“NOTHING”)
Q: You know how —
J: Because she does — it’s true. She . . .
Q: — you can see something psychic come into her mind — (“SHE’S LIKE”) flashes right into her mind. (“NN”) Something came for Larry like yesterday but nothing was coming for you.
J: No.
Q: So there must be something — you must be very unusual in terms of your previous incarnations. Like maybe you weren’t human.
J: Hm? . . .
Q: Maybe you were like some kind of elemental being. No, you were like a — maybe you were like an elemental or a fairy or something.
J: Really?
Q: Well it’s possible. I mean if Patty can be an angel, you might have been an elemental or fairy.
J: This could be. But you know what? It may simply be that Chris just doesn’t feel me because she just doesn’t. And it may simply be that somebody else might be able to feel me better.
Q: Right. (“THAT’S TRUE”) So, anyway, you’ve been working in Hollywood for how many years now?
J: A long time.
Q: Okay, this is going to challenge you a little bit.
J: Okay — (“BB” “I”)
Q: My book is turning into a tell-all book about Hollywood.
J: (small laugh)
Q: Whenever possible, I don’t name names or the people I interview don’t name names. And sometimes I do because I’m bad. But is there any situation involving —
J: Being bad is a little good.
Q: Exactly.
J: A little bad is good.
Q: Exactly.
J: (small laugh)
Q: Life would be very boring —
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