INTERVIEW — TAPE #64, SIDE #1
Q: Mark Russell Bell
T: Tommy Jackson (portion of 100.3 FM radio broadcast)
R: unidentified 101.9 FM radio commentator
W: Karma Welch (voice on answering machine)
JAMES'S BIRTHDAY PARTY (FEBRUARY 3, 1996)
P: Patty Hamilton
N: Inna Gotman
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE CORRECT SPELLING OF MS. DIETHORN’S FIRST NAME IS KARIE.)
As per our conversation today, enclosed are some slides of the Declaration of Independence I purchased last year at a local antique store. The discolored areas on the document are clearly visible where erasings seem to have been made.
I am also taking the liberty of enclosing some slides of a painting?/copy? of George Washington maybe you could give me some information about. I also purchased it locally, and the antique store owner who sold it to me said the piece had been stored in a warehouse for many years. You can see the brush strokes of the background but none are apparent on the face.
Call me if you have any questions or would like to arrange to see the document in person.
Mark G. Russell
Q: We’ll see what happens. It’s been a very slow day. (“I’M”) I’ll go to the gym after this. It was hard transcribing — the tape I’m currently transcribing was hard to hear. There are some strange things about rape but I don’t know on what level of metaphor that applies to. And my horoscope was (“ALL”) full of intrigue in terms of spies and what-have-you. So it should be an interesting day. Plus (“I”) last night — yesterday when I was putting in my deposit at the bank, I realized that I had not been adding correctly and I was accidentally overdrawn like $800 so I’m just very nervous about that. Hopefully, the bank just held them for a few days. I didn’t get any calls or anything — (“BUT I’M JUS”) this is the first time this has ever happened to me. So last night as I was saying a prayer — which was the same day that I learned (while transcribing) that Mighael doesn’t want anyone else to have me. He wants me for Himself. So last night I was joking. I said, “This is the most important day so far because I was overdrawn at the bank. Just kidding, Mighael. Because this was the day I found out that You want to save me for Yourself.” So here I am — I’m soon going to be at the post office sending these overnight mail. I guess for Monday or Tuesday delivery, depending on what is available.
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Q: Well I just placed the package at the post office and, as soon as I got in the car, I coughed — and I threw up. So now I have to go home and change. I don’t feel sick. Oh God, (“I’M”) what is going on? Is it because I had a beef sandwich for lunch, Mighael? Oh, Mighael. This is disgusting. My beautiful — I just got this jacket back from the dry cleaners and these pants are brand new and — oh ssssssshhhhhhit.
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(song heard on radio)
From a distance, you look like my friend Even though we are at war. From a distance, I just cannot comprehend What all this fighting is for.
Q: Well here I am. I turned on the radio to have dinner and this is what I hear. (“BUT”) I just took out something I picked up at APLA, which goes to prove that there are messages for everyone everywhere about how to make your life better. Reflections. I guess it’s a flyer for a counseling group so I won’t — well I’ll go ahead and tell you the name of the group too — but it’s called Reflections. There’s a quote from George Santayana: “Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to fulfill it.” The flyer reads:
The new year is upon us and we have a fresh opportunity to make positive changes in our lives. It is a time when we can reflect on our past deeds, remember those special moments and plan for the future.
Healthy Ways for Improving Work and Family Life
Use time wisely to strengthen and enrich family relationships and work environments. By family, this means friends as well. Making positive changes can improve your outlook on life and, in turn, decrease unwanted levels of stress.
Work expectations and responsibilities are continuously changing and maybe affecting stress levels.
Schedule many relaxation breaks throughout the day to help decrease tension levels. Take short walks during lunchtime. Practice stress management techniques. Take time to be silent. Prioritize responsibilities. Stop worrying and look at your problems from all perspectives.
Working parents oftentimes worry that they are spending more time at the office than at home.
Plan to spend quality time with the family in a stress-free environment. Visit the beach, go to a park or stay at home and create your own ceremonies. Make one night a week ‘Book Night’ where everyone discusses books they have read throughout the week. Schedule a ‘Movie and Popcorn Night.’ Play cards, chess, checkers or board games or bake goodies.
The Holman Group genuinely cares. Counseling sessions are strictly confidential and provided in a therapeutically supportive environment to help establish peace of mind. Issues are discussed, feelings expressed and resolutions explored. Help is available on a twenty-four hour basis seven days a week.
The Holman Group Q: Well, ‘man’ is in the name of the group.
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Q: I’m going to do something that I haven’t done in a while and that’s just turn back on the receiver to whatever song is playing. Or commercial or whatever. (song begins on radio) Well this is why I don’t have ulcers and things. Because I know I’m alright. I’m okay.
Sweet love throwing off a heavenly light. I’ve never seen such a beautiful sight. Sweet love flowing almost every night. I know forever we’ll be doing it.
R: 100.3 and Easy after hours with Rod Stewart and a covered song from Carol King, “So Far Away.” Heard from Paul in Arcadia. He wanted to play that one for Robert and Grace tonight. Thanks for tuning in. We also heard from Murlie in Los Angeles doing a little cooking in the kitchen — played Blood, Sweat and Tears, “You’ve Made Me So Very Happy”; Debarge, “Rhythm of the Night”; and “Whenever I Call You Friend” from Kenny Loggins and Stevie Nicks. It’s 8:34. I’m Tommy Jack(son) — (changes channel)
Q: I thought I would change the channel. There’s been some very interesting songs I’ve been hearing on 101.9.
Today is gonna be the day that they’re gonna throw it back to you. By now you should’ve somehow realized what you got to do. I don’t believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now.
R: . . . Oasis and their latest release “What’s The Story, Morning Glory?,” an album that is doing quite well across the country.
Q: Well, anyway, I’m having dinner and reading a newspaper. And there’s an article about a “gay resort maybe arson victim.” (“THEN”) Turning a couple pages, there’s an ad for “Grease” with Debbie Gibson, Adrian Zmed and Sally Struthers as Mrs. Lynch. These are very talented stars who’ve not had very momentous careers. (“WHO”) Who knows why? Well you know why.
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Q: Oh my God. I just dropped (“A FELL”) a glass of milk fell on the floor so I had to clean up the mess. Thank goodness it wasn’t so bad. It didn’t hit my tape recorder or anything. I was just reading some more of that newspaper — I guess it’s a San Diego newspaper entitled Update. But I was just looking at an ad for a play called “Julie Johnson” and then (“I WAS”) turned the page and saw and ad for a new magazine that had articles about — the first name was Greg Gorman so there’s another name (with) ‘man.’ So now I’m starting to think about names with not only Michael in them but also son and also man because they’re all sort of prophetic.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: OTHER SIGNIFICANT WORDS COMMONLY SEEN IN NAMES ARE ‘RA,’ ‘PA, ‘MA,’ ‘AN,’ ‘EL,’ ‘BEL’/’BELL,’ ‘CHRIST,’ ‘MC,’ ‘O,’ ‘SEN,’ ‘US,’ ‘ME,’ ‘I,’ ‘HE, ‘SHE,’ ‘GOD,’ ‘GOOD,’ ‘BAD,’ ‘LOVE,’ ‘HO,’ ‘HELL,’ ‘SIN,’ ‘SILVER’/’EVIL,’ AND VARIATIONS OF ‘ROBERT’/’BOB’. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOLLOWING WORDS CAN BE FOUND IN ‘MARK GORDON RUSSELL’: MARK, MARKER, RA, DA, MA, ARK, GOOD, GOD, US, EL, ME, AN, SON, SUN, MAN, ONE, MOUND, MR., MRS., DR., L.A., LOOK, GO, SOUL, OUR, GROOM, DEAR, REASON, SOUND, SELL, SALE, AND, GROUND, LORD, NO, NORMAL, MAD, GLAD, SAD, AD, ASS, DORK, USE, RUSE, GEO, MORE, LESS, LOSS, MOURN, ERROR, GAME, REAL, SONG, DARK, RAM, DOG, OLD, NAMES, ORDER, ANGER, ANGEL, DEMON, ARGUE, SOUL, ROSE, AROSE, LOSERS, MUSE, MAKE, MADE, MAKER, DREAM, EGO, ERA, EROS, RED, DAM, DAMN, SOON, MURDER, LASSO, GRADE, MOLD, RUG, ROOM, RUM, RUMORS, DRUM, RAGE, USAGE, LAG, MOSS, GOAL, DRAG, GRAND, MASK, SUGAR, GROSS, READER, SUMER, RAN, RUN, ROGUE, ARSON, ROMAN, LARK, DAN, DON, GLENDA, SUE, LAURA, ORSON, NELL, LUKE, ROURKE, KRAMER, DALE, KEN, LOUELLA, LAO, LUO, ROGER, MOSES, GORMAN, LOUDON, RAKE, MEAL, ORANGE, SEAL, MESS, SOUR, GOURD, GONE, SONAR, SOLAR, LUNAR, ANGLE, GOLDEN, NULL, SERA, ALOUD, LEMON, DUEL, DUO, OLD, MAR, MARS, USER, USA, SAND, MEND, DEMAND, UNDER, END.)
Q: And I just realized Jim Gorman — (“AND PEOPLE I”) other people I know — there are a lot of ‘man’s as well as ‘son’s as well as ‘Michael’s. So I guess it all relates. Oh well. Enough for tonight. This is so (“I”) non-consequential — these things. But (“PEOPLE WOULDN’T BEL”) people don’t believe you when you just say, “I’m Son of Man.” I used to think I was Mabus the antichrist. But now I’m just Son of Man.
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Q: Mighael, I still have a smidgen of doubt. Even thought that voice said “NO” — I wasn’t Mabus (“SO[N]”) the antichrist, I still have a smidgen of doubt because, God knows, some of those other messages have been wrong. So if I am ‘Mabus’ the antichrist and I misunderstood that message, just say ‘yes’ now. I hope You said something.
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Q: So I cheated and I played it back early and He didn’t say anything so I guess that means I’m not. (“WELL I’D RA[THER]”) I’m glad. It makes my job a whole lot easier.
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Q: Even though I do notice that Karma Welch hasn’t called me back. (“SHE”) I guess she’s one of these people who takes her time returning calls. Anyway, I can’t wait to find out my astrological chart but I guess if I don’t hear back from her, any astrologer could do my chart I mean.
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Q: And notice I never heard back at all from Jews for Jesus? I mean really! This is really fun. (“I MEAN”) These people — I mean it’s just — (“SO MUCH FF”) it’s just so hilarious. The levels of irony. Oh my God. I know how it feels to be like You.
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Q: So I then started reading the Los Angeles Reader, February 2, 1996 edition, and there’s an interview with Salmon Rushdie that was conducted at the Hotel Bel Air by David Kipen.
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Q: There’s not a lot of time I have for reading but in “News of the Weird” in this edition, there’s a mention of Belfast and someone named Terri Hudson.
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Q: Mighael, if this is totally stupid of me — this name stuff, say something now so I can stop doing it.
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Q: It’s 1:43 on Friday. I stayed up late tonight transcribing many spirit voices. I’m pretty sure they’re spirit voices. People are going to think that they’re background voices. It’s possible a few of them are. (“BUT”) They don’t make any sense to be background voices. You would hear — I don’t know. I just don’t think so. So my only news of the day is I don’t know what Mighael is doing with these spies being mentioned in my astrological forecast as He has on other days (“WHEN I’VE HAD”) I’ve had interaction with people who I would believe to be spies. I mean today I met three people at the gym—I didn’t meet them but I saw them—who I would consider to be my chief suspects as being secret service people from past experiences. I should say I saw two of them today and not the other one who I’ve been seeing. But these are the three that are my prime suspects as to being secret service people. Not including William at APLA. I guess that makes four.
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Q: Oh my goodness, it’s seven o’clock on Saturday. I’m going back to bed. But I’m feeling horny again. I wish Mighael could figure out some way for us to be together. I mean not to gave sex or anything. I mean just to be together in the same dimension for a little while. So I’m thinking about that movie “Michael,” which will be made I guess this year. And I’m thinking what really bad casting that is. John Travolta and William Hurt? I don’t see any chemistry there. I mean I think that’s the most unimaginative casting I’ve ever heard of. I mean it’s like they always think of what ‘name’ is biggest. They don’t real(ize) — they forget (“THAT”) it’s not so much what’s the biggest name, it’s who has the most chemistry and who will do the most interesting things with the role. From my unique perspective, I would never cast John Travolta in that role. My choice would be Mickey Rourke (pre-steroids). And ‘Mickey’ is sort of a bastardization of ‘Michael.’ However, I can’t be objective about the William Hurt role. I don’t know who would be closest to me at my age because I don’t (“EVER”) consider myself as being as old as I am. I feel like I’m agelessly younger. And I don’t know who really has the same kind of sexual energy as me. (“BUT”) I guess — I mean if they had to have John Travolta, (“THEN”) they could cast somebody in it who would have more chemistry with him on screen so I’m trying to think who would that be? I guess—even though I don’t like most of his work—I think (“RICH”) Richard Gere would be really good opposite John Travolta. I mean — I don’t believe those rumors but I just think that would be an interesting twosome to watch on the screen. (“OR”) They could do something else really interesting like maybe they could have Paul Newman in the role of Michael and have, like, a young Tom Cruise cruising him, so to speak. I mean there were those rumors during the making of “The Color of Money” but who knows? I mean who knows? I’m trying to think what other interesting possibilities there would be. Well I hope Mighael would speak up and tell me who He thinks — He probably doesn’t care. (“HE JUST”) You know. Movies are — (“YOU KNOW”) I mean think of, like — I’m reading Mamie Van Doren’s biography. (It) talks about all these old movies (“THAT”) no one even remembers now. (“THESE” “YOU KNOW”) There’s only — you only remember the truly great movies like “Citizen Cane,” “Gone With The Wind” — you don’t think of all the other ones. So somebody really should make my screenplay “Wonder of the World” or something. But they shouldn’t make it if they’re going to just schlock it out with ‘who’s the biggest name of the moment?’ Gag. I wonder if I can get creative control for my screenplays and casting approval and director approval? (“I MEAN”) That’s what it would take in this day and age to get a decent movie made. Oh well, we’ll see what happens. I probably won’t ever see any of my scripts sold anyway and I don’t really care because I have Mighael in my life. I just wish He would figure out some way for us to be together. I guess He already has. For all eternity. I mean (“WHAT’S A FEW”) what’s a hundred years (“NO”) or so (“NO”) on Earth? I mean that’s nothing. That’s nothing. (“SO”) It’s just sort of like a good — just sort of (“NO”) what’s the word for it? Sort of a — sort of like my life is a —
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Q: — foreplay.
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Q: It’s 12:32 on Saturday and I’m transcribing Tape #54, Side #1, where there are so many spirit voices. And to the best of my ability, it sounds like two spirits just said, “HURRICANE MABUS” and then “MAKE THAT PHONE CALL.” So I’m going to call Karma Welch.
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W: Hi. It’s (gives number). Please leave a message and I will return your call just as soon as I’m able to. Hope your day is pleasant and thanks for calling. (tone)
Q: Oh hi, Karma. This is Mark Gordon Russell. Of course, my pseudonym is Mark Russell Bell. I don’t think I (tone) — hello? I don’t think I’m Mabus anymore but if you’ll call me at (gives number) — I just wanted to check to see about my chart. I couldn’t remember the dates that we had talked about earlier. (“SO”) Call me when you have a chance. I’m calling on Saturday afternoon. Thank you.
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Q: Well there was one too many beeps there so I don’t know if she got my full message or not. And maybe Mighael didn’t want me to leave the full message. So I’m not going to call back because she has my number. So, hopefully, she got enough of my message. Maybe she wasn’t supposed to find out that I don’t think I’m Mabus anymore. My batteries died while I was recording that message. So, as usual, I’m very confused but, at least, I know that Someone’s helping to direct me, at least partially.
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Q: The most asinine part of this whole stupid book is me trying to transcribe these weird voices (“THAT”) you can barely hear some of the time in all these different fluctuations. I mean who ever thought up this idea is really sick. And I mean that lovingly. And angrily. And disgustedly. Depending on my mood.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT EVENTUALLY FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO DISCERN BACKGROUND VOICES FROM SPIRIT MESSAGES WHEN TRANSCRIBING AND THEREFORE DURING JAMES’S BIRTHDAY PARTY CONDUCTED SOME INTERVIEWS DOWNSTAIRS IN HIS BEDROOM.)
Q: So I’m at James’s birthday party speaking to my friend Patty Hamilton, who is (“NO”) no stranger to Mark Kostabi, who did the cover for my previous book or this one depending on when it gets published. But my book is about the New Age and angels and things like that because I’ve learned since we met last —
P: Right. (“A LOT OF TH[E]”)
Q: — a lot of what was going on has been (“YOU KNOW”) explained to me. It turns out, basically, that I’m living with an Angel in my condo.
P: Wow. Great.
Q: Right. (“AN[D]”) Tell me a little bit about — now you said you were the angel of your family. Will you explain that a little bit?
P: I went to a psychic who was from Santa Fe who kept telling me I was an angel, that I was a spirit. And that I wasn’t, like, part of the family but I was, like, a spirit and (“CALL EUROPE”) I’m also someone that is a facilitator in the arts and he said that made perfect sense. But he’s the one that was telling me I was the angel and that I was like an angel. (“AND AS”) More like a spirit and that it — I wasn’t completely positive that I wanted to be born. I mean it was a very powerful experience and it happened right before that party last summer that I saw this guy.
Q: And you know, I was much like you before my experience (“NO”) in terms of I didn’t really believe in very much. I mean I believed in it basically but I thought there were a lot of opportunists trying to make a buck. (“I” “NO” “THIS”)
P: This guy really impressed me.
P: Really impressed me.
Q: And when you really look at it most of them do really impress you.
N: Patty, your bread is sensational. My god. (“WELL”)
P: It’s from scratch. Did you — which one did you get? Did you get the Parmesan Garlic?
N: Yeah. Parmesan —
P: Yeah because the Rosemary Olive’s really good too. Anyway, he said — funny—because I just listened to the tapes Friday (“THEN I”)—we should be talking about this. And he said that I was like in a fire — I was the smoke in the fire. I mean if you go and hear a symphony I wasn’t the orchestra, I wasn’t the conductor, I was the music. So he was talking about me in that sort of sense. So I guess more has to be revealed but “the angel” is what he kept calling me in this thing and it was a very powerful experience. And I’ve been to psychics before and I’ve never, like, listened to the tape over and over again. And with this guy I did. (“NOW” “SO”)
Q: Did he say what your name as an angel —
Q: I guess it was the sa(me). (“HE DIDN’T”)
P: He didn’t tell me what my name was.
Q: And so he was saying basically you’re an angel in human form?
P: Right. And that I wasn’t exactly supposed to be born. And if I had my choice, I wouldn’t have been born.
P: I would’ve remained as an angel. Yeah.
Q: But you didn’t have a choice.
P: Apparently I didn’t have a choice.
Q: I don’t think any of us have a choice when it comes to —
P: No, down — bottom line, you don’t have a choice. Yeah. (“NO”) And one of my brothers died and he said I was — one of the reasons I was born and one of the reasons I’m still around was because he died and I’m carrying on things that he wanted done.
Q: That’s scary.
P: Yeah. And they — it’s his son that I’m very close to. (“SELL”)
Q: Well you know what’s so weird though is that us meeting at the same time after we (“BO[TH]”) sort of had these experiences —
Q: — of learning about something going on beyond what we had been expecting.
P: Well and also it’s (“SIN”) been in the last couple of years I’ve discovered a spiritual life, (“WRITE THE NAME DOWN”) which I’ve never had before (“YEAH THIS IS A PROBLEM”) ever.
Q: Yeah. And that’s true for a lot of people.
P: Right. And it’s now a very important part of my life.
P: Being spiritual.
Q: Let me ask you one other question.
Q: Why did you choose the car Saturn? (“OH”)
P: Because it — I had a car stolen and I wanted to lease one and it was a really good deal. And —
Q: How many cars did you look at before choosing the Saturn?
P: I only looked at one.
P: Only looked at one.
Q: So it was sort of destiny for you to have the car.
P: Well I called about — a number of places but this just seemed like the best deal and actually the lease is up in April and I’m going to get another Saturn. That’s interesting.
Q: It is interesting (“A”) because right when I came back from Oklahoma, the aliens there — or the angels or the spirits or whatever — were supposedly from Saturn so —
P: Very interesting.
Q: — it was very interesting. And plus Charlotte in her slides mentioning “leader.” And one of the entities was named Leader in Oklahoma. (“SHE”) So it was like everyone was channeling around me.
P: Now James told me you, like, met a family or something in Texas?
Q: Well actually, in terms of people’s subconscious minds (“ID”) making them do things, it would be easier for me to explain the phenomena by asking you if you’ve seen the movie “12 Monkeys.”
P: Haven’t seen it yet. No.
Q: (small laugh) You’re lucky. (“NOW REAL”) You’d be freaked if you did.
P: Really? Do I want to see it?
Q: Yes, I think — as a spiritual angel on Earth, it’s a must-see.
P: Oh, okay. Well it’s —
Q: But let’s just say that God works through our subconscious minds.
P: Well there are no accidents.
Q: Exactly. (“SO”)
P: I believe that.
Q: So we each have our various assignments. Mine right now is sort of (“OVER”) — not overwhelming but I know I don’t have the power to bring it off myself so I’ve sort of relegated it to God.
P: Well you have to.
Q: Exactly. And hopefully —
P: Nobody has the power. Only God has the power. (“RIGHT”)
Q: Because my book is so long. It’s a 1,500-page book —
Q: Who is going to publish a 1,500-page book? So I have to trust that I’ll meet the right people who will help (“RIGHT”) bring this about.
Q: And I have twenty more tapes.
P: Oh my God.
Q: And counting. Even as we speak.
Q: So — but it’s all about — basically I’ve sort of been (“TELL HIM” “CHECK”) chosen by the Angel Mighael to channel this book for mankind.
P: Yeah well I re(member) — that night I was so fascinated by — (“WELL”)
Q: That night, I just thought, “God has revealed Himself to me.” I didn’t realize I was supposed to be, like, this New Age Jesus character supposed to publish, like, this new Testament for mankind. So it’s like my head is still sort of spinning (“YOU KNOW”) from that. (“NO”) And it’s like everyone that I’ve tried to get to help me won’t help me. (“SO”) Symbolically, it’s the same old story. (“YEAH” “DD”) It’s also becoming — now it’s sort of becoming a tell-all book about Hollywood and one of the people —