INTERVIEW — TAPE #51, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell Bell (interviewer in Los Angeles)C: Shangri-La Cully, medical group employeeN: Ann, medical group employeeS: Shanta McDavis, medical group employeeI: Irma, medical group employeeR: radio disc jockeyJ: Jennifer Kates, designer (Postobello)A: Judy Scarboro, designer (Postobello)
Q: Okay, ("I DON'T") I think it's stopped bleeding now.
C: Well, I'm going to put some hydrogen peroxide on it and a low-back bandage. ("I" "DAY" "BUT" "I MEAN")
Q: But you might understand better than he does. ("THE") You know.
C: He should.
Q: He should what?
C: He should understand. ("I KNOW")
Q: I mean the last time — I don't know. I don't mind him cutting it out without an anesthetic.
Q: That's my choice.
C: Yeah. But he's nervous about doing that.
C: Well, sometimes there can be lots of blood. ("IT'S" "BUT RIGHT WELL")
Q: Oh, I see. ("THH") The anesthetic stops the bleeding.
C: Yeah, it does. What he's done in the past is we've used saline ladocaine with that epinephrine and what it does is constrict the blood vessel so you don't have as much blood flowing there so you don't have to worry about as much bleeding.
Q: Yeah, but, see, in my own past whenever I've had an anesthetic I've passed out. ("YOU KNOW AND THAT") I'm talking brain things ("HERE") here. ("YOU KNOW") And people have been telling me not to have an anesthetic.
C: It's just a local one. It just anesthetizes that little area. That's it.
Q: Yeah, but for me that could be a problem. I mean everyone's got a different system.
Q: And mine's very different. ("BUT WAS GOOD") It just seems like doctors always want to prescribe medicine ("YOU KNOW") rather than dealing with the problem. Especially psychiatrists.
C: Mark, I'm going to have you sit here because you're tall for me back there.
Q: Okay, fine.
C: And I'm just going to put a little antibiotic ointment on it because I don't want this to get infected. ("RIGHT")
Q: Well, antibiotics are alright. I told him that I didn't mind antibiotics. Even though a lot of them aren't ("DO") what they used to be because people have built up a tolerance to them.
C: Yeah. Unfortunately. ("SO PUSH")
Q: Are you finding that a lot?
C: Yeah. And then, too, by it being so easy to just go right to Mexico or somewhere to get drugs like antibiotics and you don't need a prescription. It's really making antibiotics non-useful because they use big guns on little bitty things and then they become resistant so when it's time to try to cure them for something else you can't fight it effectively and have to find some other means.
Q: So what's going to happen in the next few years? ("WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT")
C: Antibiotics and just a whole slew of things. Mark, I'm trying not to catch too much of your hair back here ("O" "K")
Q: Okay, well, you can lift it out of the way or whatever you want.
C: And we've got an ("SAW") icepack here.
Q: Hi, what's your name?
N: Hi, I'm Ann.
Q: Ann, okay.
N: I met you last time. Remember? You were telling me about your brother who's a patient here too.
Q: Right. You couldn't get the machine to work either. So you can compare machine stories.
C: 93.6. What'd you get?
N: What machine are we talking about? I forgot.
C: The thermometer.
N: Oh. (laughs) ("THERMOMETER")
Q: It happened to me in Alhambra too when I went there. I went to this ("FACILIT") facility there and they couldn't get the machines to work there either. So it always happens. No one can ever get those machines to work with me.
N: I didn't even get it last time.
Q: Oh, you didn't. So it's different this time.
N: I left it. ("YOU VOTE" "WILL HAVE IT")
Q: I guess it depends what the poltergeist wants to do. ("OR") I'm just calling It poltergeist for the sake of time. ("HE'S REALLY") It's really quite more than that.
C: Mark. ("YES")
C: Hold this ice right here. ("I WANT" "SOME OF THAT" "THIEF")
C: You know what, it's easier if I just go — scoop it up.
Q: Is the elevator working yet? ("NO KEY" "I HAD A")
N: It worked when I came up. ("KNIT")
Q: It just stopped after I came up.
N: You having bad luck or what?
C: He has friends.
N: Some friends?
Q: I have friends in high places.
Q: Did you see the movie "12 Monkeys"?
N: No, I haven't seen it yet. I want to. ("TO" "MONKEY")
Q: Well — story of my life. One of the many.
C: But then it's ("GGG") scary. ("BUT" "I LIKE")
Q: I think it's more scary for other people than it is for me. Do I look scared?
C: No, you don't. ("LOOK QUITE" "HOW MUCH" "I JUST" "I'M SHOWING")
Q: Yeah. I'm fine. I have to get some more of these and I know there up under the —
C: Mark, let me get your thumb here because you got a little blood on it. ("YEAH") It's on this hand.
Q: Okay. I know when my brother Michael had ("SOME") something done with his scalp there was excessive bleeding. And they used a local anesthetic on him too. ("YEAH")
C: Probably if they hadn't — ("CARVE UP" BOWWK)
Q: Well, maybe not. I mean you just don't know. Because we have the same — ("YOU KNOW") we're twins so —
N: Oh really?
Q: You know Michael Russell?
Q: Oh, okay.
N: Do I know him? Have I met him before? ("HE'S A")
Q: He's a client of ("DOC") the same doctors. ("MICHAEL") Michael Russell?
C: Who does he usually see?
Q: This one.
C: Does he have a primary doctor here?
Q: I'm not sure but this doctor did something on his scalp. He had some skin cancer orsomething on his scalp and there was really a lot of bleeding. A remarkable amount. And they did use an anesthetic on him and it didn't make a difference. So the doctor should know better. (laughs) There's going to be a lot of blood anyway. ("YEAH")
C: I'm going to let you take that with you so just hold it on there.
Q: Do I really have to? I don't mind if it just stays big.
C: How does it feel? (small scream)
Q: What? ("WHAT")
C: Well, I don't want it to stay big.
Q: No, it was big before.
C: Okay. Well, you can take it off now. ("WELL IT'S" "GEORGE" "NO")
Q: This is the way it was before. ("THAT'S GOT")
C: He got some stuff out of there. I don't know exactly what that was. ("WAS A LOT") Blood.
Q: He did get some stuff.
C: Yeah, there was a lot of blood, though, too.
Q: It was just blood though. I don't think he got any pus. ("WELL")
Q: Just the salt water he probably put in.
C: Yeah. ("YOU KNOW I") I think that's probably what —
Q: I'll be fine. ("NO") I mean I get these ("OKAY") all the time.
Q: And they usually go away.
C: I trust you, Mark.
Q: Yeah. ("GOSH" ) If you ever want to call me after you see the movie, let me know. ("K")
C: I'm kind of scared to go see it now. ("WELL")
Q: Let's just say that your roommate, Mighael, ("LET ME") would like you to see the movie. ("MO") He's channeling through me at the moment. ("O")
C: Well, I think I am going to go see it though because my husband wanted to go too. I'm, like, "Why do you want to go see something like that?" ("SEE IT")
Q: But it's important.
C: I'll go.
Q: It'll give you a good overview. ("OF LIFE")
( . . . )
Q: I'm glad I got you because we can finish our interview from last time, remember?
S: Oh, I don't know if I'm going to be able to.
S: Is it fast? ("NOT")
Q: No, I know. That's okay.
S: How are you doing?
Q: I'm upset.
Q: Because the doctor wouldn't do what I asked him to do.
S: What did you want him to do?
Q: To take out ("MY") my infected cyst without an anesthetic. ("F I" "HOW WE" "CAN YOU IMAGINE")
S: Oou. I could see that being painful. ("I")
Q: Well, I don't care. I mean my body doesn't tolerate anesthetics. ("YEAH") I'm so tired of doctors who think they know better than the patient. I mean I've had a whole lifetime of experience behind me and I know what's best for my body. He said that it might bleed too much. My twin brother, Michael Russell, when he was here, they gave him a local anesthetic and it bled profusely to the extent that they thought they had a major problem. So, obviously, ("MY B[ODY]") my body and Michael's, my twin brother, aren't quite like the normal, average patient's.
S: Yeah. ("NOT QUITE" "OH SHE'S SEEN")
Q: Anyway, we had a nice long philosophical discussion and when my book comes out he's going to be a little bit ("YEAH") unnerved. I bet you haven't seen a dentist recently.
S: I've been meaning to.
Q: Exactly. No. Trust me. ("YEAH") No. ("HAVE YOU BLED" "YOUNG" "NO") Okay? (laughs) ("I LOVE HIM")
S: So did he take it out?
Q: No. ("FATHER")
S: Is he going to?
Q: I don't think so.
S: So he didn't take it out at all? ("NO HE JUST")
Q: He just shoved a few pins into me. ("BUT YEAH" "DID ANY") He's like the contemporary version of a voodoo witch doctor.
S: Be nice.
Q: I am. It's just true. You know how they would always stick pins into people's effigies? ("I MEAN YOU KNOW")
Q: I mean isn't that what a warlock does? ("WHAT") What? ("SHE'S") Isn't that what they do? ("FUNNY" "IT")
S: Funny. ("THAT")
Q: I'm funny? I know I'm funny. I should be doing stand-up. I wish I had skin like Eddie Murphy. ("HE") Perfect skin. ("GREAT") No pores.
S: No, it's — ("GAY")
Q: He doesn't?
Q: How do you know?
Q: No, it's not.
S: Yes, it is.
Q: I've worked on Paramount films. ("AN" "THERE")
S: It's make-up.
Q: It's not.
S: Skin is not that great.
Q: His is. ("NUH-UH" "HAITIAN") Yeah . . . What does your name Shanta mean?
S: It's Hindu for peace. Well, it's supposed to be Shantha. I don't spell it that way. ("DID I")
Q: Did I ask you your last name last time too?
S: I don't know.
Q: What was it?
Q: Did you know ("THAT") that — ("THAT IS") how do you — ("I" "YOUR") Your husband? It's a Scottish name. ("OTHER")
S: Heinz Fifty-Seven.
Q: Isn't that unusual for a black person to have a Scottish name?
S: Heinz Fifty-Seven. ("I")
Q: That's weird.
S: No, it's not. Not at all.
Q: No? Okay. ("WHAT'S") What is Heinz Fifty-Seven?
S: A mix of everything.
Q: Oh. ("WELL" "WE'RE ALL") That's what we all are.
S: Exactly. ("OKAY") That's why it's not weird. ("WELL")
Q: I'm glad we finished our interview.
Q: Okay, thank you.
S: Will I be seeing you again?
Q: I hope not.
S: Okay. Tell your brother I said, "Hi."
Q: Okay. You like Michael.
S: Yes. ("SURVEY")
Q: Okay. Thank you.
S: Thank you.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I LEFT MY TAPE RECORDER ON AS I LEFT THE OFFICES.)
Q: Is the elevator working yet?
I: Yeah. ("LUCKY")
Q: It is. And what's your name again?
I: Irma. ("CLEAR")
Q: What does that mean? Irma?
I: I looked it up in the dictionary. I've seen an Irma with Gertrude or something like that.
Q: Uh-huh. I'll look it up sometime.
Q: My book is about this.
I: Oh really? ("YEAH")
Q: Well, one of the things my book is about. It's also about phenomena like the elevators not working.
I: Bring it in. Oh, you're working on it?
Q: I did.
I: Oh where is it?
Q: It's right here. You'll have to read my book to understand.
I: Oh, but where can I find it?
I: The book.
Q: No, it's an Entity. Anyway, you'll read it. ("YOU'LL") Read about it. ("OKAY")
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I GO TO THE ELEVATOR. I HAD FIRST NOTICED A MAN WHO SEEMED OUT OF PLACE IN THE WAITING ROOM ON MY WAY IN. I WAS AMUSED THAT HE LOOKED LIKE THE STEREOTYPE OF AN UNDERCOVER AGENT WITH A MUSCULAR BUILD, A DARK SUIT, SHORT HAIR AND SUNGLASSES THAT HE NEVER REMOVED. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS HIM OR SOMEONE ELSE THAT I SPOKE TO IN THE ELEVATOR. I DESIGNATE THIS INDIVIDUAL 'A.')
Q: Hi. How are you?
A: Fine. And you?
Q: Pretty good. I see that both elevators are working. ("REPLACE") Well, maybe this one isn't working, come to think of it, since it's still on one.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: WHEN THIS WAS TRANSCRIBED DURING THE FIRST WEEK IN NOVEMBER, I FELT THE BACK OF MY NECK AND THE CYST THERE WAS ALMOST UNNOTICEABLE. I THINK IT HAS BEEN HELPED BY MY GYM REGIMEN AND I OCCASIONALLY USE IMAGERY, VISUALIZING MY ANGEL PULLING OUT THE CYST. MY BROTHER'S CURRENT FILM PROJECTS INCLUDE ANOTHER FILM THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT RELATES TO MY CASE: "THE GAME" STARRING MICHAEL DOUGLAS AND DIRECTED BY DAVID FINCHER ["ALIEN," "SEVEN"]. A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THE ENSUING CLOSURE OF THE MEDICAL GROUP OFFICES, SPECIALIZING IN TREATMENT OF HIV, MAY BE IN PART DUE TO THE GREAT SUCCESS OF TRIPLE COMBINATIONS OF AZT+3TC AND PROTEASE INHIBITORS IN SUPPRESSING VIRAL REPLICATION. TODAY, THE 5TH, THERE IS AN ARTICLE BY MY FRIEND CLIFFORD ROTHMAN IN THE LOS ANGELES TIMES ENTITLED "A WORLD TURNED UPSIDE-DOWN — WITH PROMISING NEW DRUGS, ARE HIV PATIENTS READY FOR LIFE?" THERE IS A PHOTO WITH THE CAPTION: "'I REALIZED THIS WEEK THAT I HAVE BEEN PREPARED TO DIE, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED TO LIVE,' SAYS MICHAEL MONROE, WHO HAS STARTED TAKING A PROTEASE INHIBITOR." THE ARTICLE MENTIONS MICHAEL GOTTLIEB, THE PHYSICIAN AND IMMUNOLOGIST WHO IDENTIFIED A NEW SYNDROME STRIKING GAY MEN IN 1981 THAT LATER WAS NAMED AIDS, AND QUOTES HIM AS SAYING PATIENTS WITH ADVANCED CASES ARE "LIVING VERY NORMAL LIVES, FEELING MUCH BETTER AND WITH ENERGY AND JOIE DE VIVRE THAT THEY HAVE NOT HAD IN YEARS." THE ARTICLE ALSO REVEALS "MIDWAY HOSPITAL'S IMMUNE SUPPRESSION AIDS UNIT, THE LARGEST IN CALIFORNIA, HAS SEEN IT'S CENSUS DECLINE BY 60%." THERE IS A QUOTE FROM THE HOSPITAL'S UNIT MANAGER BILL MANNION, WHOSE HOTLINE IN-SERVICES I HAVE ATTENDED. THE ARTICLE ALSO REPORTS THE CHRIS BROWNLIE HOUSE HOSPICE—RUN BY THE AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION, THE LARGEST EXCLUSIVELY HIV/AIDS MEDICAL PROVIDER IN THE U.S.—HAS ALSO CLOSED. FOUNDATION DIRECTOR MICHAEL WEINSTEIN IS QUOTED AS SAYING, 'FEWER PEOPLE ARE REACHING THE END STAGE OF THE DISEASE." THE ARTICLE ALSO SPECIFIES THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE IS AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESS TO THE MEDICINES, WHICH CAN COST $15,000 A YEAR. MARK SENAK, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND PLANNING AT APLA, THE SECOND-LARGEST SUPPORT AGENCY IN THE U.S. WITH 6,000 CLIENTS, STATES, "WHO ARE WE GOING TO CHOOSE TO LIVE AND WHO ARE WE GOING TO LET DIE? THAT'S NOT A CHOUSE WE SHOULD HAVE TO MAKE . . . THE MEDICAL DELIVERY SYSTEM IS SIMPLY NOT READY FOR THE SHIFT FROM A MODEL BASED ON MORTALITY TO A MODEL BASED ON MAINTENANCE. THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR DISASTER UNFOLDING WITHIN A DISASTER." ALSO, ACCORDING TO AN OCTOBER 1996 NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES NEWS RELEASE PRESENTING CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION STATISTICS, "AIDS IS NOW THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN THE UNITED STATES AMONG PEOPLE AGED 25 TO 44" AND "FROM 1985 TO 1995, THE PROPORTION OF REPORTED U.S. CASES OCCURRING AMONG WOMEN INCREASED FROM 7 PERCENT TO 19 PERCENT.")
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So there was definitely a man following me. He was waiting near me as I was talking about my payment and then he followed me into the elevator. And he has ("ON") dark glasses on. Definitely, Secret Service or Mighael wants me to think Secret Service. I also now remember why the Secret Service might be interested in me. It may be because when I was in Alhambra I was talking about Roy Radin with one of my doctors during my taped interviews. And so I guess maybe that murder wasn't quite so resolved as people think it was. Maybe they think that I'm ("HIS") — maybe that was why they think I'm a serial killer if that is one of the possibilities behind their surveillance — they think I'm a serial killer. Either that or they might think I'm after Clinton because of some of the things I may have said while I was in a highly intuitive state. And when I talked about Roy Radin, ("WASN'T") obviously it wasn't because I had killed him or had any problem with him. I thought he was a nice guy. But, obviously, somebody didn't think he was a nice guy and — I don't know. I just wonder why Robert Evans didn't write more about that case in his book.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER AGAIN A FEW MINUTES LATER AS A SONG WAS CONCLUDING.)
Shouldn't have took more than you gave. Shouldn't have took more than you gave. Shouldn't have took more than you gave. Shouldn't have took more than you gave.
R: . . . FM 101.9. Dave Mason — "Shouldn't Have Took More Than You Gave." Huh? What? ("WHA") What kind of grammar was that? "Synchronicity I" from The Police and John Hiatt did "Cry Love." And "Falling Down" — this is new from "Tears For Fears" on FM 101.9, the all-music hour.
Q: What can I say? It's just another working day in the life of New Age Jesus. I mean people probably think I plan what songs come on the radio. I'm having fun. Is anybody else? (laughs) (reads:) "Resist Satan. Don't speed. Call ahead." What an interesting billboard.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I RECORDED SOME LYRICS OF THE CURRENT SONG ON THE RADIO. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO PERFORMED THIS SONG BECAUSE I LEFT THE CAR BEFORE THIS INFORMATION WAS GIVEN.)
Oh, now, Mary's done with living. I hope she'll be forgiven.
Q: The poster for "12 Monkeys" over here says "They're Coming." ("IT'S THE") One near Bloomfield Street. "They're Coming." Like "They're Here" from the film "Poltergeist." So now I'm going to Postobello.
( . . . )
Q: I must say after seeing that movie it is harder for me to relate in a loving way to Mighael now that He seems to be Many people instead of just One. So, Mighael, help me to feel loving toward You again.
( . . . )
Q: Hi. What's your name?
J: I'm Jennifer. What's your name?
J: Hi, Mark.
Q: Hi. What I've been looking for — nice to meet you.
J: Nice to meet you.
Q: I hope this place isn't too expensive. It looks expensive. But, anyway, —
J: How much are you looking to spend? ("THEY DON'T LIE")
Q: I don't know. It depends. I mean I was especially looking for facsimiles of the "Desiderata" and things like that or just spiritual things. Books.
J: Well, we're designers. The store here — this is really like a — ("CHOICE")
Q: Oh, I see.
J: — showroom.
Q: Do you sell anything here? Is there anything for sale?
J: Everything's for sale but ("IT") we're decorators and furniture designers. So if you're looking for something that's spiritual, it's going to be something that's going to catch your eye.
Q: Exactly. Exactly. But sometimes when I go into these stores or places people lead me to a certain item. It's really interesting. Well, everything is pretty spiritual around here.
A: What do you think of this?
Q: (I trip over something) Whoops. ("CUT" "I I I")
A: See? You were led. ("O")
A: This is it. You walked right into it. There — the spirit just called you.
( . . . )
Q: . . . the two sculpture pieces. ("UM") There's a lot that I like. ("YOU JUST")
Q: Okay. Those. ("COWBOY") The book ends.
A: I think they're $60 apiece.
J: Yeah. They're $120. ("YEAH")
A: They're $60 apiece. ("WHAT")
Q: What are these big things?
A: It's a ball.
Q: Yeah, but are they old or —
A: No. ("I SEE")
Q: Oh, okay. I just wanted to know what they were.
A: No, they're just what we call art.
Q: It looks like a cannonball.
A: Yes. What I do . . . ("OKAY") make them look old like that.
Q: Great. You make those. So you're an artiste. ("YES") What is this here?
A: This is a casting. ("YEAH") And it's really the top of a finial that we carve out and we make ("THAT") into a candlestick.
Q: I see. Beautiful. You have a lot of great pieces here. Now, these are probably too expensive for me but ("THIS IS") how much is this here?
A: I don't know.
Q: Oh, okay.
A: Jen knows how much she is.
Q: Okay. Or this piece. Actually, this piece might be easier for me to carry. This one here.
A: Oh, this is beautiful. ("WE HAD") I don't know how much she is.
J: (from far side of room) $150.
A: $150? How much?
A: Oh, that's cheap. $150.
Q: For this one.
A: Yeah. And how much is she on the floor.
J: . . . $350.
A: $350. ("HMM")
Q: They're both nice. Well, I'll take this one today and then I'll think about this other one.
A: Okay. Oh, we love her. ("I")
Q: Who is she?
A: We call her 'Bug Eyes.' Oh, we love her.
A: Jennifer was going to take her.
Q: Well, she'll have a good home with me. ("WE")
A: Jennifer was going to take her home.
Q: Oh really?
A: But, see, we love her eyes. Ahh, you know, we love her. ("I LOVE JEN" "WH" "WHY") He said she'll have a good home.
A: How did you know that we want our pieces to have good homes? It means something to us. ("SSS")
Q: I know. Well, you're talking to someone who is very spiritual.
A: And you knew this from us? This means something to us. ("YOUR")
Q: Your name Portobello —
A: Postobello. ("IS A" "PO I MEAN" "WELL IT'S CLO")
A: Close enough.
Q: Let's just say that in one of my previous incarnations my first name was Bel.
A: Oh really?
Q: Yeah. ("YES") Back in Egypt. Maybe you lived back then too and we knew each other back then. ("YOU KNOW") It's possible. You never know. Right?
A: Well, take care of Bug Eyes.
Q: I will.
J: Do you take classes or do you lecture? Are you into any kind of — where do you study?
Q: I just realized — you take Visa here, don't you?
J: Yes. ("YEAH") Okay, yeah. ("OKAY" S "WHAT'S WRONG" "HE JUS[T]" "SCARED" "YOU LOOK")
A: Where do you study? That's what she just asked you. What do you do?
Q: Well, I studied film in college. Cinema.
J: Yeah, but then — well, how did you become so spiritual?
A: Did you just have, like, an awakening or something happened to you that made —
Q: I've had everything.
A: Oh my. Good.
Q: Everything. You name it. I've had it. I'm writing a book about it.
J: Wow. ("THAT") That's great.
Q: Everything. (laughs)
A: She has a good home. ("I HA[VE]")
Q: Exactly. ("BEL" "WONDERFUL")
( . . . )
Q: It's funny. She was looking at me like, "I've seen you somewhere before." ("DO YOU") It's like — do you feel that way too?
J: Yes, I can. Absolutely. ("UH-HUH") Absolutely.
Q: And she's your mom?
J: That's my mother. My mother and I were from a past life together.
J: I know that.
Q: But you weren't mother and daughter in that past life. You were something else.
J: Yes — absolutely. I don't know what but we were something. ("HERE")
Q: Yeah. ("I LO") I saw a little flyer about the store so I'll pick one up and look at that as I leave.
J: Yes. Please. Take it.
Q: Okay. ("I") I'm working on a book so I end up ("LIKE" "TAL") telling a lot about people I meet in my book. So I'll talk about you in my book. ("A") In fact, do you have anything to say? I'll —
A: Ohhhh. ("AHHHH" "UGANDA" "NO I") I can talk from today until tomorrow but —
J: (laughs) ("SO")
Q: Do you think that you had a relationship with your daughter in a previous life?
A: Oh yes. Definitely.
Q: Do you know as what or —
A: No. Someone once said that I was definitely a queen or something in royalty because in ("A") this life I have to do things that I didn't have to do before.
J: My numerologist told me the same thing. And we definitely ("I MET") had it too easy. And that's why I have to work so hard in this lifetime.
A: But we definitely were connected and I don't know how because we really haven't gotten to that place. ("MY")
Q: Usually I find that people's names give them some clue as to who they were in a previous life.
Q: Judy? ("NO") Last name?
A: What? My original name?
A: Oh my. Kringle.
Q: As in Kriss Kringle?
A: Um-huh. ("THAT'S")
Q: That's — a lot of interesting possibilities there.
A: No, I don't want to be Santa Claus.
A: I was much more romantic.
J: Well, Santa Claus is a very giving, very soulful, saintly —
A: One person once told me I was Queen of the Nile or something but I don't think so.
J: I was told I was royalty. Everything was given to me.
J: Yes. ("AND") But I'm an old soul. Supposedly, I've been around for many, many centuries.
Q: And what's your father's last name?
J: Kates. Do you believe in numerology at all?
Q: I believe in everything.
J: See, my number's 8. And that's a very strong number to live by.
Q: Yeah. Well, then next year should be a great year for you. ("WELL YOU WA" "I") It's an 8 year.
A: When you walked through the door, ("HERE") did you feel something?
Q: He's always with me. I have an Entity. Did you ever read the book Messages From Michael?
A: I heard about it.
Q: Mighael. (small laugh) So, anyway, yeah. A very loving Entity.
J: I'm going to put some paper around this.
A: But you felt something when you walked in here?
Q: He's always with me so you felt Him with me?
A: I did.
Q: But He's always with me.
A: Really? ("SO YOU'LL")
Q: If you want to see more about what He's like, see the movie "12 Monkeys."
A: Okay. ("YEAH" "YOU KNOW" "IT'S")
Q: Unfortunately. I was hoping that He'd be just one person. But He's more like an accumulation of different spirits. But I think one of them is special to me. ("LIKE" "ONE OF THE")
A: Can other people see them — people who can see things? ("I")
Q: Yeah. ("WELL NO") Not with me. I mean I've never seen Him. ("UM") He just talks on my cassettes. That's why I do a lot of interviewing because He says things on my cassettes when I do interviews. And that's what my book is about — ("MY BOOK") features all these interviews and He will say things. Like He'll say, "YEAH." Or He'll say — I don't know. What does He say? ("I") It's hard to remember all the things He says.
A: Do you find it hard to live in daily life?
Q: What is daily life?
A: Well, I — ("WELL" "INTE") integrating with the mainstream — ("KIND OF") people who go through life and are totally unaware of anything?
Q: I don't know how to answer that question. ("BECAUSE MY") I just have my own existence to base it on. ("WHEN" "I JUST" "SOME")
A: Some interview. It's going to be crackling (from the statue being wrapped) the whole time.
Q: I feel very lucky. ("YOU KNOW") So I don't know — it's hard to articulate it. I'm always trying to find new ways to articulate it. But I definitely think that I had a past life in Egypt and you had a past life in Egypt — well, you said, "Queen of the Nile." Right?
A: I was told that. Yes.
Q: So you're probably Cleopatra.
A: That's what somebody told me.
J: That's fascinating. ("BECAUSE")
A: I didn't want to come out and say that to you but that's what somebody told me.
J: That's weird. ("WELL SEE") That's — ("EVER")
Q: Everyone that I'm meeting were famous people in previous lives.
A: Because when the person said that to me, I went, "Oh my — please." ("MY HYP")
Q: My therapist — ("IS") Richard he Third. ("MY FR" "YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE") I'm meeting all these people who are the reincarnations of famous people. That's one of the things my book is about. So I can verify ("SO" "YES") you were Cleopatra in a previous life. ("BUT I")
A: But I never told anybody that because I thought that the person just said that to make me — well, ("I THINK HE DID") you know, to make me feel good or something. During that time in my life I went, "Oh, so he thinks I'm Elizabeth Taylor." And then I thought afterwards, ("I THOUGHT") "Well, that's kind of bizarre, though, ("RIGHT") to pick somebody so ("WELL") famous. ("IT SEEMS TO") He might tell everybody that."
Q: Exactly. ("YOU MIGHT") Might as well. This'll be in my book. ("INVITE HIM") (small laugh) So, anyway, it's uncanny. It's either you're the reincarnation of her or you're very close to her energy in our time. I can't quite make up my mind about it. So ("AT LEAST") my concern — ("I DON'T KNOW") I think I'm the reincarnation of someone named Bel-Marduk, which is a very — ("YOU KNOW") I don't know if it's an energy source or an actual reincarnation. ("SO") Something along those lines.
A: Do you go to somebody who brings you back? There's a famous —
Q: A hypnotherapist. I have a very good one at the ("HE HAD") Renaissance Health Center. You should see him.
A: What's his name?
Q: His name is David — ("OBEY")
A: Because there's a guy nearby called Ken somebody. ("SOMEBODY TOLD ME BUT")
Q: This is somebody else. ("AT THE") Renaissance Health Center.
A: And what does it do when you find out? What happens to you?
Q: Nothing. (small laugh) I mean you know — I don't know. You go to see "12 Monkeys," I guess.
A: Okay, that's what I'll have to do first.
Q: Exactly. ("YEAH")
Q: I think that's a good way to start. Have you had any phenomena around the home?
A: Oh yeah. About ten years ago I was involved in something out of real innocence where this girl said, "Oh, we'll just go sit down and have this kind of seance thing." Unbeknownst to me, she was what you call a witch, which I did not know. And, supposedly, she brought this spirit out. And I did not know anything about this. I was with my husband and then afterwards, ("SHE") she stopped everything. She said, "We have to stop this right now." And then I went home and strange things started to happen with me. ("I MEAN") I would get close to him and there would be this cold sheet over me. My earrings that I had —
Q: Did you drop that or did that fall just now?
A: I don't know.
Q: I do. (small laugh)
A: Oh my. ("OKAY") And strange things. And he gave me these earrings and all of a sudden they would pull out of my ear. A bracelet — very strange things. I was downtown at the time working at the mart. ("LIVING")
Q: The flower mart?
A: No. ("NO") Down at the merchandise mart — California Mart. ("I WAS IN") The fashion business. And a woman walked into my showroom and she stopped. ("NO") And she said, ("YEAH") "I have something to tell you but I don't want you to get scared. There's somebody standing next to you. ("YOU KNOW") But on the other side of you ("IS THE") is your guardian angel. Now this man standing here" — and she described him ("BY") when she said, "This was back in the time of probably the 1600s and he's wearing kind of pirate shirt and tight black pants." And the way she described him he looked very much like a John Derek. "And he was your love. And he is here and he wants you back." And I thought, "Oh my God, this is absolutely bizarre."
Q: Who was it? Marc Antony?
A: She didn't give me a name. But then ("SHE'S IN A") she left me her card. Then, I was walking through the mart and people kept stopping around me. All of a sudden there would be somebody looking at me. So, finally, I had to get to the bottom of this. I stopped this one man and said, "Excuse me. What are you looking at?" And he said, "Alright, I have to tell you something." I thought, "Oh my God. This is getting out of hand." But all these bizarre things started to happen to me. At the same time, I had a girl working for me in my showroom who was very, very spiritual and she said to me, "We have to get rid of these spirits." And she took me to have an exorcism or I had to take a — don't ask what I went through with this whole thing. But, finally, it went away. So do I believe in this? Yes, I do believe in this because I always used this name when I'd be modeling — I always changed my name from Judy to Christina or something but there was another name that I love. And it was Marguerite. I don't know why.
A: I would dream ("SEND") about stuff like this with this name Marguerite.
J: Well, maybe that was your name in a past life.
A: One woman told me that the woman standing over my shoulder was my great grandmother in my past life and her name was Marguerite. Well, by this time, I was completely floored. ("I MEAN") So did it happen to me? Yes, it happened to me. Did I ever go further with it? No.