INTERVIEW — TAPE #50, SIDE #1
Q: Mark Russell Bell
V: David Botsford (clinical hypnotherapist)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I HADN’T PLANNED TO RECORD FURTHER YET I TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER AGAIN WHEN I WAS AT THE FRONT COUNTER PAYING FOR THE SESSION AND NOTICED THREE CONTAINERS OF SALT HAD BEEN LEFT THERE.)
(“GOODNESS”)
Q: David, I’ve got to tape some more for my book. I can’t believe there’s iodized (“UM-HUH”) salt on the counter. See? Look. (“OH GREAT”) Do you know that salt is always very prevalent in the annals of (“SUPER”) the supernatural?
V: Yes, I’ve heard. (laughs) (“WHY ARE”)
Q: Why are they on the counter? (“WELL”)
V: That’s a good question. (laughs)
Q: It’s a very good question. (“AND THESE ARE ALL”) These are the kind (“KHH”) of parallels that keep cropping (“KHH”) up in my life.
V: Exactly. Synchronicity as Jung put it.
Q: Exactly. About the unexplained and the paranormal and iodized salt. (“SO UM” “AND LOOK AT”) Look at these CDS. Wings. [by] 2002. Lost Paradise. [by] Steve Kindler. Tim Wheater. Heart Land. Exchange['s] Beyond Words. New World Music. Crystal Healing. [by] Anthony Miles. Coyote Oldman. The Shape of Time. (“UM-HUH”) The Silence Within. Robert Haig Coxon.
V: Um-huh.
Q: Romantic Harp. "Victorian Parlour Music" by Patricia (“SSS SSS SSS”) Spere. (“OKAY IT’S A”) And Spirit of Tibet by Terry Oldfield. That must be the brother of Mike Oldfield, who did “Tubular Bells.”
V: Ummm.
Q: As in (“I LIKE”) Bell.
V: (small laugh) Small world. (“SO UM”) I was just going to ask (“MAYBE”) the receptionist what her name was to see what her name meant symbolically for my book.
V: It’s Isabelle.
Q: Isabelle?
V: Yeah. (laughs)
Q: Oh my God. There are so many bells in my life.
V: Exactly. Incredible, isn’t it? (“IT’S REALLY”)
Q: Well, so after you read my book you’ll be able to see (“UM-HUH”) what I’m talking about.
V: Sure. Great.
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well, I got home. And since my horoscope said to look in a drawer because I would find something lost, (“UH-HUH”) I started looking through drawers. (“UH-HUH”) Well, one of the things I hadn’t talked about while taping (“BECAUSE”) since this is all conjecture — my book is all conjecture. I don’t want to say anything that will scare people. But I don’t really know what the truth truly is. (“UH-HUH”) But one of the things that made me very intimidated was when I was transcribing something about Blue Cross and one of the spirit voices said something about the reason why I wasn’t getting any help on my Blue Cross was because “THEY KNOW THEY’RE DAMNED.” (“UH-HUH”) Anyway, that seems like — I don’t see why that would damn someone just because they made a wrong decision (“UH-HUH”) for just one person that they served. (“UH-HUH”) And I don’t even know what damned means. (“UH-HUH” “BUT”) If this is some kind of contest — (“UH-HUH”) morality test, contest. Maybe happenstance does play a part. So I was looking through drawers — looking for something that had been lost and I came across (“UM”) a stock option (“WOOD”) that I had been given when I was a senior publicist. I think it was 500 shares but I might be mistaken because what happened is I was laid off, I think, before the year had passed so I threw the certificate away. (“BUT”) If the Blue Cross people were damned because they didn’t honor my contract and agreement with them, what does that make all the Paramount executives (“UH- UH”) that laid me off before my contract was fulfilled? I don’t know if that carries on down to other producers or other people who were at Paramount. (“WHO”) I guess everyone (“WHO PLAYED”) who played a deciding factor in this judgement. So that’s scary because some of these people are my friends. I mean that would have to include Cheryl Boone Isaacs, Arthur Cohen, Barry London. (“IF SHER”) I don’t think Sherry Lansing was — I think she was just a producer at the time. (“BUT”) I mean can people just be damned because they didn’t honor a stock option? It’s something to think about. (“BUT I”) I pretty much had written it off as a loss (“UH-HUH”) so I guess some other people are going to have a loss to write off too. Such as their future?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AS GOD IS IN EACH ONE OF US, WHENEVER INDIVIDUALS CHEAT OR DO SOMETHING DISHONORABLE TO ANOTHER, THEY ARE ALSO DOING THIS TO GOD.)
Q: I’m having another frozen dinner tonight because of my busy work schedule on my book and it’s funny — one of the magazines I read to keep abreast of developments with HIV is the local bi-weekly newspaper Edge. (“I DON’T”) I only get it occasionally. And I was just sort of flipping through it and I saw this ad that caught my eye because you know how sometimes pictures will say something and mean something else. There was an ad I came across on page 47 of the January 10th issue, number 326. It shows a picture of the madonna and child. And beneath it, it says, “What can separate us from the love of God?” I see that my friend Michael Kearns has an article in this issue of Edge. And I haven’t seen him in several years. (“BUT I”) It’s just funny that our paths would cross — of course, I know a lot of people named Michael and I met him while I was working at the Ruth Webb Agency. He’s another one of my friends whose first name is Michael. And this article is also about his need and desire to find a boyfriend, lover, husband, soulmate, all of the above.
( . . . )
Q: So it’s Tuesday and I’m having lunch and “Imagine” performed by John Lennon is on the radio.
( . . . )
Q: I just finished lunch. At lunch I read the January 12th issue of the Los Angeles Reader. I picked it up on my way to the Hotline. Sherri Spillane and Ruth Webb are on the cover. Twice I’ve heard Michael tell me in one of His many voices to give my book to Sherry —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS STILL MISINTERPRETING THIS AS ‘SHERRI’ AT THE TIME.)
Q: — so I’m going to call her back and insist that I give her the book and tell her — (“TRY TO MAKE”) it very clear to her the nature of my celebrity. So this article, “Scandal Queens” by Samantha Dunn, talks about how they got into this business of booking people who are known for scandals and, of course, I must be the biggest scandal in the history of the world in some ways so I’m a perfect client for them. And, apparently, (“IT STARTED WHEN”) Sherri was watching Tonya Harding and then they began representing John Wayne Bobbitt. Quote: “A couple of weeks later, somebody kiddingly said to me, ‘Well you’ve got John Wayne Bobbitt and Tonya Harding. What are you going to do next, get Joey Buttafuoco?,’ Spillane says. ‘I laughed and laughed, then I stopped laughing and said, “You know, that’s not a bad idea.” Oh, Ruuuuuth. . . .'” (“UH-HUH”) Well, that’s a perfect example of how God works through people’s subconscious minds to lead people into the careers He wants them to lead. Their client list now includes a Judge Ito look-alike and Barbara Cochran, Johnnie’s ex. “The whole thing just happened, you know?” in the words of Samantha Dunn. They had gone after Rosa Lopez but she went back to El Salvador. Their clients include Divine Brown, famous for giving Hugh Grant his infamous blow job, and Daryl Gates. The article says, “They scour the Enquirer, People, The Sun, and The Globe the way a stockbroker ingests The Wall Street Journal. ‘You never know where you’re going to get your next client,’ says Webb.” Well, I guess I’ll be their next client. And I was Ruth’s sub-agent for a long time. I worked altogether seven years with her before going to work at Paramount for seven years. (“UMMM”) “Besides, it’s not their idea,” the article says. Quote: “‘We’re not creating celebrities. The press created these people. We are picking up the pieces,’ says Spillane.” (“UMMM”) In the article, she says (“THAT”) she has been around celebrities all her life and is “‘not in awe of anybody. Maybe Mother Teresa.'” She was (“UH-HUH”) married to Mickey Spillane “a.k.a. Mike Hammer . . .” Quote: “‘I was the victim of a negative press campaign when I divorced my husband.'” (“NO”) Another client includes Bill Zucker, a “guy from Massachusetts who invented the O. J. Simpson vs. The People board game.” Well, that’s interesting. I bet he must be a relation to David Zucker, Jerry Zucker and Michael Zucker, (“UH-HUH”) who I knew when he was an attorney at Paramount. I think that was his name. Gosh. I mean there’s so many Michaels in my life. (“SSS”) I hope I’m (“I HOPE NOT”) not putting down the wrong name now, it just seems like there are so many Michaels. (“UMMM”) I remember once when I interviewed David Zucker with Bob LoCash, my tape recorder would not work. It was so weird because I had fresh batteries, a fresh tape and for some reason it just would not work. (“I ALWAYS”) I had two at the time — one as a back-up. So I could still do the interview but that was a definite indication that Michael was with me even though I didn’t know it back then. (“UMMM”) So Bill (“HISSS”) comments in the article: “‘Can you imagine? I would be on “Saturday Night Live” within the hour,’ says Zucker” if he could get Joey, Tonya, and Bobbitt on his infomercial about his game. The other clients include Kitty Cole, who “is sometimes called ‘the bitch with the bucks,’ because in 1993 she won the biggest palimony suit in the history of the nation. ‘We’re looking to make scandal icons out of everybody,’ says Spillane, who has worked nonstop over the last few months developing the agency’s latest venture: 1-900-7-SCANDAL. For $2.99 a minute you can hear their clients’ side of the story: What really happened between Divine Brown and Hugh Grant; how ‘Ron X’ sold drugs to Kato and O. J. just before the murders; what Barbara Cochran thinks of her ex-husband, and more. As the recording says, ‘It’s all here: sex, political corruption, drugs, secrets of known personalities, lies, and embezzlement.’ For entertainment purposes only.'” Sherri, I’m going to call you now. And then I have to call Sherry Lansing and Barry. So I want to wait till I finish transcribing my latest therapy session before giving the manuscript to anyone — just to give an overview of where I am today. There are so many cassettes I haven’t transcribed yet. I think (“THERE MIGHT”) there must be twenty. Ummm. Anyway, I’m going to stop recording on this tape side here because I think I’ll include this portion in the book too and I don’t want to give myself too much work to do.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE WORD myself APPEARED HERE ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN AFTER I SPELLCHECKED THIS FILE ON JANUARY 26. THE FOLLOWING WAS ADDED ON THANKSGIVING DAY, 1996, DURING THE PERIOD I WAS PROOFREADING THE MANUSCRIPT.)
(“GOODNESS”)
Q: David, I’ve got to tape some more for my book. I can’t believe there’s iodized (“UM-HUH”) salt on the counter. See? Look. (“OH GREAT”) Do you know that salt is always very prevalent in the annals of (“SUPER”) the supernatural?
V: Yes, I’ve heard. (laughs) (“WHY ARE”)
Q: Why are they on the counter? (“WELL”)
V: That’s a good question. (laughs)
Q: It’s a very good question. (“AND THESE ARE ALL”) These are the kind (“KHH”) of parallels that keep cropping (“KHH”) up in my life.
V: Exactly. Synchronicity as Jung put it.
Q: Exactly. About the unexplained and the paranormal and iodized salt. (“SO UM” “AND LOOK AT”) Look at these CDS. Wings. [by] 2002. Lost Paradise. [by] Steve Kindler. Tim Wheater. Heart Land. Exchange['s] Beyond Words. New World Music. Crystal Healing. [by] Anthony Miles. Coyote Oldman. The Shape of Time. (“UM-HUH”) The Silence Within. Robert Haig Coxon.
V: Um-huh.
Q: Romantic Harp. "Victorian Parlour Music" by Patricia (“SSS SSS SSS”) Spere. (“OKAY IT’S A”) And Spirit of Tibet by Terry Oldfield. That must be the brother of Mike Oldfield, who did “Tubular Bells.”
V: Ummm.
Q: As in (“I LIKE”) Bell.
V: (small laugh) Small world. (“SO UM”) I was just going to ask (“MAYBE”) the receptionist what her name was to see what her name meant symbolically for my book.
V: It’s Isabelle.
Q: Isabelle?
V: Yeah. (laughs)
Q: Oh my God. There are so many bells in my life.
V: Exactly. Incredible, isn’t it? (“IT’S REALLY”)
Q: Well, so after you read my book you’ll be able to see (“UM-HUH”) what I’m talking about.
V: Sure. Great.
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well, I got home. And since my horoscope said to look in a drawer because I would find something lost, (“UH-HUH”) I started looking through drawers. (“UH-HUH”) Well, one of the things I hadn’t talked about while taping (“BECAUSE”) since this is all conjecture — my book is all conjecture. I don’t want to say anything that will scare people. But I don’t really know what the truth truly is. (“UH-HUH”) But one of the things that made me very intimidated was when I was transcribing something about Blue Cross and one of the spirit voices said something about the reason why I wasn’t getting any help on my Blue Cross was because “THEY KNOW THEY’RE DAMNED.” (“UH-HUH”) Anyway, that seems like — I don’t see why that would damn someone just because they made a wrong decision (“UH-HUH”) for just one person that they served. (“UH-HUH”) And I don’t even know what damned means. (“UH-HUH” “BUT”) If this is some kind of contest — (“UH-HUH”) morality test, contest. Maybe happenstance does play a part. So I was looking through drawers — looking for something that had been lost and I came across (“UM”) a stock option (“WOOD”) that I had been given when I was a senior publicist. I think it was 500 shares but I might be mistaken because what happened is I was laid off, I think, before the year had passed so I threw the certificate away. (“BUT”) If the Blue Cross people were damned because they didn’t honor my contract and agreement with them, what does that make all the Paramount executives (“UH- UH”) that laid me off before my contract was fulfilled? I don’t know if that carries on down to other producers or other people who were at Paramount. (“WHO”) I guess everyone (“WHO PLAYED”) who played a deciding factor in this judgement. So that’s scary because some of these people are my friends. I mean that would have to include Cheryl Boone Isaacs, Arthur Cohen, Barry London. (“IF SHER”) I don’t think Sherry Lansing was — I think she was just a producer at the time. (“BUT”) I mean can people just be damned because they didn’t honor a stock option? It’s something to think about. (“BUT I”) I pretty much had written it off as a loss (“UH-HUH”) so I guess some other people are going to have a loss to write off too. Such as their future?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AS GOD IS IN EACH ONE OF US, WHENEVER INDIVIDUALS CHEAT OR DO SOMETHING DISHONORABLE TO ANOTHER, THEY ARE ALSO DOING THIS TO GOD.)
Q: I’m having another frozen dinner tonight because of my busy work schedule on my book and it’s funny — one of the magazines I read to keep abreast of developments with HIV is the local bi-weekly newspaper Edge. (“I DON’T”) I only get it occasionally. And I was just sort of flipping through it and I saw this ad that caught my eye because you know how sometimes pictures will say something and mean something else. There was an ad I came across on page 47 of the January 10th issue, number 326. It shows a picture of the madonna and child. And beneath it, it says, “What can separate us from the love of God?” I see that my friend Michael Kearns has an article in this issue of Edge. And I haven’t seen him in several years. (“BUT I”) It’s just funny that our paths would cross — of course, I know a lot of people named Michael and I met him while I was working at the Ruth Webb Agency. He’s another one of my friends whose first name is Michael. And this article is also about his need and desire to find a boyfriend, lover, husband, soulmate, all of the above.
( . . . )
Q: So it’s Tuesday and I’m having lunch and “Imagine” performed by John Lennon is on the radio.
( . . . )
Q: I just finished lunch. At lunch I read the January 12th issue of the Los Angeles Reader. I picked it up on my way to the Hotline. Sherri Spillane and Ruth Webb are on the cover. Twice I’ve heard Michael tell me in one of His many voices to give my book to Sherry —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS STILL MISINTERPRETING THIS AS ‘SHERRI’ AT THE TIME.)
Q: — so I’m going to call her back and insist that I give her the book and tell her — (“TRY TO MAKE”) it very clear to her the nature of my celebrity. So this article, “Scandal Queens” by Samantha Dunn, talks about how they got into this business of booking people who are known for scandals and, of course, I must be the biggest scandal in the history of the world in some ways so I’m a perfect client for them. And, apparently, (“IT STARTED WHEN”) Sherri was watching Tonya Harding and then they began representing John Wayne Bobbitt. Quote: “A couple of weeks later, somebody kiddingly said to me, ‘Well you’ve got John Wayne Bobbitt and Tonya Harding. What are you going to do next, get Joey Buttafuoco?,’ Spillane says. ‘I laughed and laughed, then I stopped laughing and said, “You know, that’s not a bad idea.” Oh, Ruuuuuth. . . .'” (“UH-HUH”) Well, that’s a perfect example of how God works through people’s subconscious minds to lead people into the careers He wants them to lead. Their client list now includes a Judge Ito look-alike and Barbara Cochran, Johnnie’s ex. “The whole thing just happened, you know?” in the words of Samantha Dunn. They had gone after Rosa Lopez but she went back to El Salvador. Their clients include Divine Brown, famous for giving Hugh Grant his infamous blow job, and Daryl Gates. The article says, “They scour the Enquirer, People, The Sun, and The Globe the way a stockbroker ingests The Wall Street Journal. ‘You never know where you’re going to get your next client,’ says Webb.” Well, I guess I’ll be their next client. And I was Ruth’s sub-agent for a long time. I worked altogether seven years with her before going to work at Paramount for seven years. (“UMMM”) “Besides, it’s not their idea,” the article says. Quote: “‘We’re not creating celebrities. The press created these people. We are picking up the pieces,’ says Spillane.” (“UMMM”) In the article, she says (“THAT”) she has been around celebrities all her life and is “‘not in awe of anybody. Maybe Mother Teresa.'” She was (“UH-HUH”) married to Mickey Spillane “a.k.a. Mike Hammer . . .” Quote: “‘I was the victim of a negative press campaign when I divorced my husband.'” (“NO”) Another client includes Bill Zucker, a “guy from Massachusetts who invented the O. J. Simpson vs. The People board game.” Well, that’s interesting. I bet he must be a relation to David Zucker, Jerry Zucker and Michael Zucker, (“UH-HUH”) who I knew when he was an attorney at Paramount. I think that was his name. Gosh. I mean there’s so many Michaels in my life. (“SSS”) I hope I’m (“I HOPE NOT”) not putting down the wrong name now, it just seems like there are so many Michaels. (“UMMM”) I remember once when I interviewed David Zucker with Bob LoCash, my tape recorder would not work. It was so weird because I had fresh batteries, a fresh tape and for some reason it just would not work. (“I ALWAYS”) I had two at the time — one as a back-up. So I could still do the interview but that was a definite indication that Michael was with me even though I didn’t know it back then. (“UMMM”) So Bill (“HISSS”) comments in the article: “‘Can you imagine? I would be on “Saturday Night Live” within the hour,’ says Zucker” if he could get Joey, Tonya, and Bobbitt on his infomercial about his game. The other clients include Kitty Cole, who “is sometimes called ‘the bitch with the bucks,’ because in 1993 she won the biggest palimony suit in the history of the nation. ‘We’re looking to make scandal icons out of everybody,’ says Spillane, who has worked nonstop over the last few months developing the agency’s latest venture: 1-900-7-SCANDAL. For $2.99 a minute you can hear their clients’ side of the story: What really happened between Divine Brown and Hugh Grant; how ‘Ron X’ sold drugs to Kato and O. J. just before the murders; what Barbara Cochran thinks of her ex-husband, and more. As the recording says, ‘It’s all here: sex, political corruption, drugs, secrets of known personalities, lies, and embezzlement.’ For entertainment purposes only.'” Sherri, I’m going to call you now. And then I have to call Sherry Lansing and Barry. So I want to wait till I finish transcribing my latest therapy session before giving the manuscript to anyone — just to give an overview of where I am today. There are so many cassettes I haven’t transcribed yet. I think (“THERE MIGHT”) there must be twenty. Ummm. Anyway, I’m going to stop recording on this tape side here because I think I’ll include this portion in the book too and I don’t want to give myself too much work to do.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE WORD myself APPEARED HERE ON MY COMPUTER SCREEN AFTER I SPELLCHECKED THIS FILE ON JANUARY 26. THE FOLLOWING WAS ADDED ON THANKSGIVING DAY, 1996, DURING THE PERIOD I WAS PROOFREADING THE MANUSCRIPT.)
WHAT MOVIE IS IT?
Watching this movie, you saw primitive beings communicating with an advanced Consciousness through their subconscious minds so that progress could be made in evolution. At the end of the movie, one of the species discovers the extent of this communication and is able to feel the love and appreciation necessary to sustain the Consciousness so that progress could be made in evolution.
Watching this movie, you saw primitive beings communicating with an advanced Consciousness through their subconscious minds so that progress could be made in evolution. At the end of the movie, one of the species discovers the extent of this communication and is able to feel the love and appreciation necessary to sustain the Consciousness so that progress could be made in evolution.
