HYPNOTHERAPY SESSION (JAN. 8, 1996) —
TAPE #42, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell Bell
V: David Botsford (clinical hypnotherapist)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AFTER REMOVING THE MICROCASSETTE AND PLACING IT BACK INTO THE TAPE RECORDER, I PLACED THE MACHINE ON RECORD AND CONTINUED TALKING. WHEN I FELT MORE THAN A HALF HOUR HAD PASSED WITHOUT ANY END-OF-TAPE WARNING CUES, I CHECKED THE MACHINE AND DISCOVERED THAT IT HAD BEEN TURNED OFF THE ENTIRE TIME.)
Q: . . . wasn’t taping — (“WHOLE THING . . .”) wasn’t on tape. That whole conversation we had —
V: Oh really?
Q: — wasn’t on tape because He didn’t want it taped.
V: Wow. (“SO”)
Q: You just witnessed phenomena. (“AA”) So Mighael doesn’t want me talking about certain things for the book. It’s not right. So I have the best editor for my book in the world. (“BUT I”) What we were talking about before — I won’t say names. (“BUT”) Wasn’t his name interesting? His name was very interesting.
V: Certainly.
Q: And he’s been seen recently in gay bars.
V: Is that a fact? Wow. (“SO IT’S”)
Q: There’s much more going on than I could ever describe in my book. What were we talking about in the last half hour? (“NOT”) Don’t even say it. (“BUT”) It’s good background for you but it’s probably very repetitive for my book. So Mighael didn’t want me taping that. So what other questions do you have? (“UHH”) You can (“HENRY”) see how tricky this is, by the way. And He’s watching out for me. (“BECAUSE” “BEING WHEN YOU’RE”) When you’re being totally honest other people can pay the price for it. And that isn’t really what He wants me doing. And He doesn’t want me being an angry individual. He wants (“MMM”) me to be a loving individual.
V: Mmm.
Q: That’s why I want to try to keep — I have a big mouth. A big mouth. And, of course, what is that famous saying? About Jesus? (“THAT”) ‘The brightness of his mouth will consume everyone on Judgement Day?’ So in a way this is a metaphor for that. I have a big mouth. (laughs) (“WELL”)
V: (laughs) In Hollywood that’s probably an advantage.
Q: Well, it hasn’t been for me yet.
V: (laughs)
Q: And it wasn’t a big advantage for the author of You’ll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again (“WITH”) — Julia Phillips.
V: Oh yeah.
Q: (laughs) Well, she’s probably more happy now than ever now that she’s written two bestsellers.
V: Could be. (laughs) (“YEAH”)
Q: I don’t think Goldie Hawn’s too thrilled with her.
V: Probably.
Q: Actually, I once met her sister, Patti Hawn. She was the unit publicist for the movie “Ghost.”
V: Mmmm. (“SO”)
Q: I’ve seen Goldie Hawn at premieres where I worked. So it’s like (“YOU KNOW”) I’ve either met or interacted with — in some way, shape or form everyone in Hollywood just about. (“SO”) Symbolically, it’s very telling. Of course, the major symbolism here is the Paramount mountain.
V: Of course. (“SO”)
Q: You can see why I was chosen. (“BUT”) Believing it is a lot harder. Even for me. (“I MEAN”) I can comprehend it. I do have mixed feelings about it. Obviously, the most important aspect of it for me is my own relationship with God. (“UM”) But — not to be narcissistic — I am writing the book for mankind so other people can vicariously feel this love through me, which in a way is a sacrifice. (“SO”) It’s interesting to think about. (“I MEAN”) All these different symbols. It’s too weird. Like the tape recorder not working. It’s working now. (“BUT” “HUAAA”) But losing all that — (“YOU KNOW” “I[T]”) it doesn’t bother me. At one point, I would have been angry. I would have been confused. I would have been — probably crying —
V: Mmmm.
Q: — thinking that I had done something wrong. Now I know better. He’s a good editor. That’s why I don’t really want some publisher editing my book. He’s already edited it.
V: Very convenient.
Q: Exactly. (“UHH”) Oh my goodness. So I’m very pleased with everything. I guess my questions are still the same that anyone would have. For example, will He make an exception for me in terms of death? (laughs) Because there were some people in the Bible who didn’t die.
V: Quite so.
Q: And who wants to go through that, anyway?
V: Exactly.
Q: I mean (“A”) actually, it’s a very beautiful bringing together of an individual with God because when you go through the illnesses and pains of death is when you really start depending on God and appreciating all the things that you may have taken for granted before. That’s how I felt in Alhambra. When you need God is when you’re in pain. Not until then. Usually. For most people. Well, I’ve experienced that so maybe He’ll make an exception in my case. Not that it matters. It doesn’t matter. Because once you know that you do have eternal life it seems like a small price to pay.
V: Sure.
Q: The more interesting question has to do with resurrection. Because there has to be some symbol of something that will happen to me that is sort of like (“RE”) resurrection. I could envision that as, maybe, false reports that I’ve died in a plane crash or something. I hope it isn’t something more gory. Like the dead dog becoming a living dog (“UHH”) again. Or me changing into some kind of super-being.
V: Sure. (“I MEAN”)
Q: That would scare the shit out of me.
V: (laughs)
Q: (laughs) I don’t want that. No. No. That’s not me. I don’t want that. Anyway, it’s weird. It’s all symbolic. No one really knows what Judgement Day is. Or what that involves. (“I” “LIE”) I’ve raised a lot of different possibilities in my book.
V: Mmmm.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: SOMETIMES I FORGET WHAT IMPRESSIONS AND THOUGHTS I HAVE RECORDED AND THOSE I HAVEN’T. I DID DISCUSS THIS SUBJECT WHEN I HAD LUNCH WITH PAUL AMIRAULT. IN THE BELL WITCH: A MYSTERIOUS SPIRIT BY CHARLES BAILEY BELL, M.D., THE SPIRIT WAS QUOTED BY JOHN BELL, JR. AS SAYING ABOUT JUDGEMENT DAY: “THE GREAT CREATOR WILL DETERMINE HOW AND WHEN IT IS TO BE. I HAVE NEVER WITNESSED A JUDGEMENT DAY. I HAVE TOLD YOU OF EARTHLY THINGS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL COME TO PASS IN THE FUTURE WORLD OF MAN THAT I AM NOT PERMITTED TO TELL.”)
Q: I bet you can’t wait to read it.
V: I’m looking forward to it. (“MAYBE”)
Q: I Want you to read other portions of my book as I get them together. Because they still need another going-over. If I do get a call from Sherry Lansing or someone, I’m just going to give them the draft of the book in the present shape. Because the spirit voices really aren’t as important as what I’m saying after you’ve read the first 300 pages and seen that there are spirit voices. (“SO”) I’ve gotten a lot better at transcribing this as it’s gone along. (“AND” “SO”) And I just feel like when the time is right it will be right.
V: Mmmm.
Q: And, hopefully, my money won’t run out. My mom actually called me a few nights ago and said, (“THAT”) “I’m coming over there.” And almost like — (“LIKE”) she says, “You either get a job or I’ll have you committed.”
V: (laughs) (“B”)
Q: She’s so obsessed with me working because she’s afraid I won’t be able to (“YEAH”) survive in society. (“THAT”) She’ll say or do anything. That’s her generation. Plus, she was married to someone who didn’t work so she thinks it’s history repeating itself. I forgive her. (“US”) I (“STILL”) still love her.
V: Excellent.
Q: I still want her to have everlasting life. The same thing with all my friends and family. (“BUT”) People who’ve even experienced phenomena still don’t believe in Him.
V: Mmmm.
Q: So, again, (“IT”) unless you believe in Him I don’t see everlasting life happening. What do you think about that?
V: I suppose we’ll find out when the time comes. (laughs)
Q: Exactly. (“RIGHT”)
V: I want just to make the most of the present life. (“RIGHT”)
Q: Now you were saying something very interesting to me when I called you and I can’t remember what it was. It’s something I hadn’t thought about before. (“KISS”) Do you remember what that was? You raised some concept that I wasn’t familiar with.
V: Was it using the floatation tanks? (“OR” “YOU TALK”)
Q: We were talking about that but then you started talking about something else. (“YEAH ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE”)
V: Was it there were symbols in the unconscious?
Q: Something like — (“IT WAS LOVE”) it wasn’t Jungian but it was something else.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Duality or something.
V: Oh, was it duality?
Q: I don’t remember. It’ll come up. (“WAS A” “YEAH”) It was something philosophical. (“SO”) I don’t remember. It was interesting, though. When I hear it — you’ll raise it, I’m sure.
V: Sure.
Q: Oh God. What other questions do you have?
V: What makes you happy in life?
Q: What makes me happy in life? (“FFE” “NO”) Well, I am happy in life. Do I seem happy to you?
V: Yes. Very.
Q: If anyone is happy in life, it’s me. Because God has proven that He’s in my life.
V: Excellent.
Q: And He’s with me. Even though He isn’t talking to me like we’re talking. He does it through the daily horoscope, through other people, through common sense. (“SO” “AND THAT’S”) You know what? Isn’t that preferable? Not even getting into the reasons. (“LIKE” “YOU KNOW”) Not even bringing up Joan of Arc or schizophrenia or those things.
V: Sure.
Q: Another thing that I told my therapist was (“THAT”) my experience revealed to me (“THAT”) maybe everyone throughout history who has been delusional or schizophrenic is that way because of Mighael and was that way because of Mighael. (“THIS”) He was doing this to them for His own reasons.
V: Mmmm.
Q: So they would experience (“SOME”) this for their own separate redemption. It’s an interesting thought, isn’t it? (“SURE”) Have you ever wondered about that?
V: The possibility, yeah. I’ve given a great deal of thought to these manifestations.
Q: Yeah, because you’ve had some crazy people come in here, probably.
V: Oh, I don’t use the word crazy.
Q: No, of course not.
V: People do experience reality in a different way.
Q: Right, exactly.
V: A way in which institutions and society don’t expect us to experience reality.
Q: But people who, like, (“ME” “HAVE”) — have you ever wondered how somebody can come to the conclusion (“THAT”) they’re the reincarnation of somebody or that they are somebody. Like “I am Napoleon Bonaparte!”
V: Mmmm. (“I MEAN”)
Q: Well, I — having been through that I can tell you — (“OKAY LA”) there are ways. Other people can lead you to that conclusion. Plus, in my case, I had insects doing weird things — I mean God was manifesting Himself. So I knew I was somebody. And then what I read in books and things (“YOU KNOW”) just led me to the realization that I was Christ. I didn’t realize at first it was symbolic. (“SO”) That was delusional because of the definition of the word delusion. When you think you’re something that can’t be proven it’s delusional. However, I think I’m Mabus; Son of Man. That’s not delusional because he doesn’t exist. Until now. So that doesn’t fit the definition of delusion.
V: Quite so.
Q: (small laugh)
V: (laughs)
[2021 UPDATE: 'MABUS' IS MENTIONED ON MORE THAN A DOZEN TAPE SIDE TRANSCRIPTS. I WAS AWARE OF A FEW NOSTRADAMUS COMMENTATORS WHO ASSOCIATED 'MABUS' WITH THE ANTICHRIST AND THIS SEEMED IRONIC AND AMUSING TO ME; HOWEVER, IF ONE CONSIDERS FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY AS INVOLVING BELIEFS RATHER THAN ANY SINGLE CONCEPT, DIFFERENT AND SEEMINGLY CONTRADICTORY INTERPRETATIONS ARE DEPENDANT UPON EACH INDIVIDUAL'S PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY. AT FIRST IT SEEMED THERE WAS SOME VALIDITY TO THE POTENTIALITY OF MYSELF BEING BOTH 'CHRISTED ONE' AND 'ANTICHRIST' AS MY KNOWLEDGE MADE THE PERCEPTION OF THE BIBLICAL JESUS AS THE LONE 'SON OF GOD' IRRELEVANT IN LIGHT OF THE ANGELIC 'CHRIST FORCE' OR 'CHRIST SPIRIT' AS SAVIOR OF HUMANITY THROUGH WHAT CAN BE LEARNED FROM THE ANNALS OF 'SUPERNATURAL' PHENOMENA AND 'TRANSCENDENTAL COMMUNICATION' — THIS PREDICAMENT MADE MANIFEST WITH MY PERSONAL CASE CHRONOLOGY. ONE PRS LECTURER EVEN MADE ME AWARE HOW THIS SEEMING CONTRADICTORY ASSOCIATION COULD BE MADE WITH THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF JESUS. EVIDENTLY, KNOWLEDGE OF THE 'CHRIST FORCE' WAS DISPLACED WITH ANTHROPOMORPHIC DOGMA CONTRIBUTED BY UNKNOWN CONTRIBUTORS AND EDITORS OF WHAT BECAME THE 'HOLY BIBLE.']
Q: I’m sure my previous therapist wouldn’t see it that way. In fact, when I told her, “I really wish Mighael would just speak to me like he does to the thousand people in Oklahoma”; she said, “Well, if you were hearing voices there’d be something else we’d have to do for you.” In her most Nurse Ratched tone of voice.
V: Uhhh. (“YOU KNOW”)
Q: A lot of shrinks (“WITH”) that Dr. before their name take the easy way out. (“SHE’LL”) They always want to give you drugs. They always think it’s a chemical imbalance.
V: Hmpf.
Q: ‘Give them a wonderful miracle drug and that will take away the problem.’ Not in every case.
V: Exactly. (“YOU’RE JUST”)
Q: You’re just hooked to a drug for life usually. You’re a zombie for life (“OH NO”) because someone doesn’t really want to get to the root of the problem.
V: Exactly.
Q: My book is also a tell-all book about (“THE MENT” “MM MODERN”) how stupid and inane modern medicine is. There are a lot of diseases out there that people think they know about and they have no clue.
V: Mmmm. Sure. That’s true.
Q: Yeah. True. These are all obvious — another thing about my book is that they’re all obvious truths. It’s just that I’m commenting on them a little bit in a different capacity. With a different point of view. So it’s a lot of fun.
V: When did you first become aware of Mighael and His role in your life?
Q: Well, all my life, I’ve had strange things happening to me. (“STRA[NGE]”) Like everyone does. Everyone has strange things happening to them. Like narrowly missing an accident on the freeway. Or, when I was a child, for example, I was cleaning my terrarium. (“MM”) I had a pet turtle. And all of a sudden it was gone. It had disappeared. (“IT IS”) I looked around and could not find it. I was devastated that my beloved pet turtle was gone. Recently, I’ve been thinking maybe a bird carried it off. But even more recently I’ve been thinking that Mighael carried it off.
V: Could be.
Q: (laughs)
V: (laughs) (“SO” “AND PLUS”)
Q: Turtles are good luck. (“YOU KNOW THERE’S”) So there’s another symbol. (“THERE”)
V: Mmmm.
Q: Plus, I think that my pet turtle would have been a lot happier at the bottom of some river somewhere than he was in my little terrarium. So I don’t really have pets. I mean fish or anything. First of all, with all my responsibilities (“I KNOW”) I really don’t have time for a pet. I have visits, though. The black cat who lives next door visits me a lot. (small laugh)
V: Is that good luck or bad luck?
Q: There’s a lot of — (“LU[CK]” “EVERY”) what?
V: Is that good luck or bad luck?
Q: Of course, it’s good luck. For me, it’s good luck.
V: Excellent.
Q: Again, it’s what (“IT’S”) we project—good or bad—into the symbol.
V: Of course.
Q: For example, (“YOU SSS”) some people would see a black cat as a sign of witchcraft. I see a black cat as a sign of resurrection. First of all, because you have the nine lives. And I also see it as a very loving sign for us because cats are very loving creatures and they have unconditional love for people. So that’s what I see. But I would. (small laugh)
V: (laughs)
Q: Ohhhh. (“HHHHHHH”) All I can say is that for those people who are evil there is a very evil demonic being just waiting to get their hooks into them.
V: Mmmm.
Q: I experienced just a little bit of it and He loves me so can you imagine what these people have to look forward to? I guess (“PE”) if people want to get some indication of what the possibilities are, they should rent that movie “Hellbound: Hellraiser II.” (“NOOOOOO”) Did you ever see that?
V: Noooooo. It’s the guy with needles all over his head or something, isn’t it?
Q: Right. (“BUT”)
V: I haven’t seen it.
Q: “Hellraiser II” actually showed scenes in hell.
V: Oh really?
Q: Really. And if you look at my concept that every movie is a miracle and God is introducing possibilities — bingo. Now you probably want to (“RU”) rush out and rent that movie.
V: Yeah, I mean — (“I SEE”)
Q: No, don’t. Don’t. That’s another thing that I’m revealing in my book. (“IS THAT”) People who find themselves drawn to evil films are definitely there to learn a lesson.
V: Mmmm.
Q: One of the reasons why the movie “Seven” was so popular was because God was bringing people to see this movie (“FOR SOME”) for His own reasons. Notice I have not seen the movie. I go around town wearing the movie cap with the “Seven” title logo on it — (“BECAUSE”) it’s a long story.
V: Sure. (small laugh) (“BUT”)
Q: I haven’t seen the movie — nor will I see the movie. I only want to see positive expressions of love. And I can’t even — I haven’t seen a movie in ages. (“IN FACT”) My friend Fiona and I were going to go see “Persuasion” tomorrow but she had to cancel and I have a lot to do. I have a lot of transcribing I’m behind on. So let’s just say she had car problems. Mighael. (small laugh) Car problems are always a sure sign of Mighael. Trust me on this.
V: Sure.
Q: You’ll get it when you read my book. It’s there. For the people who like to read closely. It’s going to be a neat book. (“KKK”) You can’t possibly get all the meanings in one sitting. It’s very complex. I mean I haven’t even paid much attention to the spirit voices because they’re just fragments. They probably go together in all kinds of ways I have no idea about.
V: Mmmm.
Q: There are all kinds of hidden meanings, I’m sure. (“YOU KNOW”) It’s going to be interesting if I ever get it finished. (“I JUST HOPE”) I just hope I do get to be around when it’s published.
V: Mmmm. (“BBBRRR”)
Q: I mean I’d love to do “Barbara Walters” or something. Even though I’m not — if I do interviews, which I really don’t know. I really — (“DON’T”) I think it’s probably dangerous. (“BECAUSE”) All this politically correct business. (“BUT UM”) I definitely would not just do interviews — I’m not going to be the only one answering the questions. It’s going to definitely be a give-and-take where I’ll answer a question and then they have to answer a question. Because they’ll be channeling. And I’ll be channeling. And much more will come out. (“BUT”) People are afraid — (“OF”) being in that predicament. Unless they really are in the same position I am, which is wanting to prove your love to God and not worrying about how you will look or your image.
V: Sure.
Q: I have a couple questions I’d love to ask Barbara Walters about.
V: Wouldn’t we all?
Q: Exactly. And probably some very tough questions. I guarantee I have nothing to hide.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Somebody can ask me how much money I have in the bank and I’ll be glad to tell them. However, can you imagine what would happen if I were to ask Barbara Walters how much money she had in her bank account?
V: (laughs)
Q: (small laugh) (“PPP”) I think the interview would be over real quick.
V: I think so. Yeah.
Q: Another one is Oprah Winfrey. Is the tape still going? I love Oprah Winfrey. You know how rich Oprah Winfrey is?
V: She’s the richest of all the TV hosts, isn’t she? (“MUCH”)
Q: And much beyond that. (“BUT”) She’s a beautiful woman who is consciously trying to create good in the world and avoid exploitation. (“BUT YET”) Everyone who appears on her show gets no share of the money that the show makes.
V: Quite.
Q: She’s an exploitative person who has all this wealth and she doesn’t even need it. She can give most of her money to charity and still live like a queen.
V: Oh yes.
Q: Oh yes. See? (“EACH”) The things I’m saying are obvious even to the people I’m saying them about.
V: Oh yes. (“BUT YET”)
Q: If I was Oprah Winfrey, it would hurt like hell to hear someone say that. Can you imagine? I don’t want to hurt her feelings. It’s true for everyone, though, who has money and who’s in a position of power. I mean there needs to be somebody like me just to open up people’s eyes. Because of the ozone layer. Because of the rain forest. Because of the extinction of so many species. Because of the food chain in the ocean being destroyed. Because of the French detonating nuclear weapons. I mean the list goes on and on and on and on. Because of Bosnia. Because of Russia. I mean there’s no end to it. We won’t even talk about South America. My God. Write off South America.
V: Mmmm.
Q: I mean let’s face it — oh, unless you want to include Los Angeles. (laughs)
V: (laughs)
Q: I mean it’s ridiculous. These are all things that people know.
V: Hmmm. Of course. (“BUT”)
Q: When I say them, considering my background, it takes on sort of a new meaning. Especially since we’re approaching the year 2000 —
V: Sure.
Q: — which many people have interpreted as being the end of the world.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Which is a definite possibility.
V: Could be.
Q: Hopefully not. (“SEE THERE’S”) There are all kind of potential realities. We were talking a little bit earlier about how I was starting to think about different realities and counter-realities. In fact, that’s what the Bell Witch said. (“THAT”) There’s no one reality.
V: Absolutely. (“AND THERE WERE WAYS”)
Q: I learned that lesson in Alhambra even though (“THEY”) some of the circumstances would sound ludicrous to most people. Like, for example, the fact that (“WE’LL EAT”) the street address of the Alhambra hospital was Rosemead. It’s not even located in Alhambra. (“THE STREET”)
V: Mmmm. (“SO”)
Q: Things like that as I was learning them made me think that, “Well, maybe He changed it geographically. It seemed like maybe He was changing things. (“LIKE”) When I was being good I was in (“ALHAM”) Rosemead. And when I wasn’t (“CUTTING”) what He wanted me to be, I was back in Alhambra. And He couldn’t quite make up His mind. (“AND”) Once, I noticed a magazine ad about cybersex and eventually someone, channeling Mighael, said to me flat out, “I can’t believe it — I’m being rejected . . .” And so I just said, “It takes two to reject.”
V: Yes.
Q: Which was, like, news to Him. (small laugh)
V: Mmmm. (“BELL”)
Q: So I think subconsciously He wanted to reject mankind and, luckily, (“YEAH”) I just made Him realize that.
V: Mmmm. Excellent. (“YEAH”)
Q: Yeah. So I don’t know. (“THIS IT JUST IT’S”) Much goes beyond that too. For example, there was a talkshow I noticed (“UM”) involving spouses who won’t have sex with their partners. (“YOU KNOW”) Offended, I think I said, “That’s ridiculous. To make a big deal out of something like that.” Angry, I asked a man who was well-aware that he was in his own purgatory-type situation to change the channel. I was seeing deeper levels of significance in all these commonplace things. There were games. One that I put together was called Perfection but there were a few pieces missing. (“THAT WAS”) They had a few games in the (“THE”) dismal ‘fun room.’ (“WHICH”) It had no books and that was where there was a communal television. There was also (“GET”) a checkers game — I mean all kinds of games. It’s like in the movie “Searching for Bobby Fischer.” It’s like the little boy (“ISN’T”) isn’t so crazy about love but, boy, does he appreciate games.
V: Mmmm. (“I MEAN”)
Q: It’s like every movie and every book reveals something about God and about mankind. And my book’s going to help people see some of the parallels that they were oblivious to before. What’s the last movie you’ve seen?
V: I think it was “Casino.”
Q: “Casino.”
V: Yes.
Q: That’s a game. (“THE LAST”) One of the times I was in Las Vegas and, God knows, I’ve been to Las Vegas a lot in my life.
V: Yes. (small laugh)
Q: Both Michael and I both won royal flushes on Rio hotel poker machines during different visits. My twin brother — (“TO THE”) I’m talking about now.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Well, isn’t that a little unusual that identical twins would both win —
V: It certainly is.
Q: — royal flushes on poker machines?
V: Amazing.
Q: And he only played it a few times. Another thing is once I was there — this was before that I knew that there was a Mighael. (“I MEAN”) An Entity Mighael. I knew God was in my life but I didn’t know it was Mighael. There was a man and his wife playing blackjack at a table and I kid you not. They had hundreds of thousands of dollars in winnings. Every single time the dealer would deal he would win.
V: Wow. (“WHEN”)
Q: No matter what they shuffled the deck. At the time I thought, “That guy must be planted by the casino. There’s just no way.” Now I know it was just Mighael proving to me His existence so when I went to Oklahoma and realized he was consciously doing things in my life I remembered a thousand instances where He was saying ‘I’m here’ and hadn’t been aware of it.
V: Mmmm.
Q: The most obvious one, just to give you an example, was at night I would feel a tap on my leg. Somebody tapping me on the leg. I would wake up and I would just think, “Well, that was a tap on my leg but there’s no one here so it must have been a muscle contraction.” I wonder how many people have felt that at night. Have you ever experienced that?
V: Oh yes.
Q: Well, guess what? That’s Mighael. That’s God saying ‘hello.’ And when you read about it in my book, you’ll say, ‘Oh, that’s happened to me too.’ So He’s revealing His existence to everyone through me, (“RICA”) which is what (“I’LL TELL” “PEPSI”) God did with the original Jesus.
V: Mmmm. (“SO”)
Q: What else? What other experiences? I’ve had every experience. Like the day before the big earthquake, my next door neighbor’s black cat threw up outside my (“AN[GEL]” “BLAME”) balcony door. So every single possible miracle/phenomena that you’ve ever heard of I’ve experienced in my life. And denied it (“UHH”) at the time. Everyone who I’ve ever been close to or considering having sex with went out of my life faster than you could say anything.
V: Oh really?
Q: Either by circumstances, illness or what-have-you. (“SO”) I think I’m definitely Mighael’s territory. (“HIS”) Soulmate. Or I mean I definitely think He wants me — He is a jealous God in some ways and I wouldn’t think He would be that way about me because I’m not particularly good-looking. (laughs)
V: Whatever the — (small laugh)
Q: But I guess it’s more of a spiritual thing.
V: Sure.
Q: You know, it’s so weird. I mean this is something that I really — it’s one of the more difficult things that I’ve had (“TO”) to come to terms with. (“SO”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I GLANCE AT THE TAPE RECORDER HERE.)
Q: Oh, I notice we’ve stopped — oh no, we’re still going. I’m so paranoid now that the tape is going to stop — after that last episode — that I keep checking. Another thing you don’t know about but my interviews always seem to end at sort of a strange or punctuating point in the interview. And on this tape I think I’m going to get around that because it starts making beeping noises. Even though it hasn’t been doing that. Well, it looks like it’s toward the end of the tape and it’s not making any beeping noises. So I’m very confused. Remember how it was making beeping?
V: Yeah.
Q: At the end of the first half hour? I haven’t heard any beeps. And it’s coming to the very end of the tape. So this is just too hard for me to comprehend. One of the many different miracles — anything dealing with technology — forget it. Mighael can make any photocopier machine not work. Any telephone not work. Any possible machine He can keep from working when He wants to.
V: Mmmm. (cues begin) (“SO”)
Q: Okay, now it’s beeping. So it is beeping. Good. You never know with Mighael. Now I know why there are paranoid people walking around out there. Because I do feel (“IT”) limited (“B”) versions of paranoia. For example, my friend Larry’s father used to work in the CIA. I think investigating aliens.
V: Mmmm. (“AND”)
Q: Possibly (“AND I MENTIONED”) I mentioned to him some things about Clinton and aliens. (“SO”) Ever since that time, I’ve had strange noises on my phones. (“AND” “PEOPLE” “HAVE” “AND SAID”) I’ve noticed strange people following me.
V: Mmmm. (“SO IT’S LIKE”)
Q: It’s possible. I’m not scared of them or anything. I’m not, like, protecting myself or anything. But it’s a possibility that the CIA is keeping tabs on me.
V: Right.
Q: Have you had any phone problems? (“OR”) Hear any weird noises on your phones recently?
V: Not very recently but in the past.
Q: What were they like?
V: Well, all sorts of things but I don’t know if it was somebody leaving me strange messages.
Q: Like what?
V: Oh, it reminded me of the sound of birdsong or voices or —
Q: Well, that’s just Mighael’s usual —
V: Right. (“I”)
Q: I mean CIA-type things like hang-ups (“UMM YEAH”) and (“WHEN”) —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: TAPE #42, SIDE #2 ENDS HERE. I FINISHED TRANSCRIBING THIS TAPE JULY 1ST AND READ LOVE LETTERS FROM SPIRIT TO YOU BY JACOB BEILHART DURING THIS TIME. WHAT FOLLOWS IS A PORTION FROM LOVE LETTER #15.)
Q: . . . wasn’t taping — (“WHOLE THING . . .”) wasn’t on tape. That whole conversation we had —
V: Oh really?
Q: — wasn’t on tape because He didn’t want it taped.
V: Wow. (“SO”)
Q: You just witnessed phenomena. (“AA”) So Mighael doesn’t want me talking about certain things for the book. It’s not right. So I have the best editor for my book in the world. (“BUT I”) What we were talking about before — I won’t say names. (“BUT”) Wasn’t his name interesting? His name was very interesting.
V: Certainly.
Q: And he’s been seen recently in gay bars.
V: Is that a fact? Wow. (“SO IT’S”)
Q: There’s much more going on than I could ever describe in my book. What were we talking about in the last half hour? (“NOT”) Don’t even say it. (“BUT”) It’s good background for you but it’s probably very repetitive for my book. So Mighael didn’t want me taping that. So what other questions do you have? (“UHH”) You can (“HENRY”) see how tricky this is, by the way. And He’s watching out for me. (“BECAUSE” “BEING WHEN YOU’RE”) When you’re being totally honest other people can pay the price for it. And that isn’t really what He wants me doing. And He doesn’t want me being an angry individual. He wants (“MMM”) me to be a loving individual.
V: Mmm.
Q: That’s why I want to try to keep — I have a big mouth. A big mouth. And, of course, what is that famous saying? About Jesus? (“THAT”) ‘The brightness of his mouth will consume everyone on Judgement Day?’ So in a way this is a metaphor for that. I have a big mouth. (laughs) (“WELL”)
V: (laughs) In Hollywood that’s probably an advantage.
Q: Well, it hasn’t been for me yet.
V: (laughs)
Q: And it wasn’t a big advantage for the author of You’ll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again (“WITH”) — Julia Phillips.
V: Oh yeah.
Q: (laughs) Well, she’s probably more happy now than ever now that she’s written two bestsellers.
V: Could be. (laughs) (“YEAH”)
Q: I don’t think Goldie Hawn’s too thrilled with her.
V: Probably.
Q: Actually, I once met her sister, Patti Hawn. She was the unit publicist for the movie “Ghost.”
V: Mmmm. (“SO”)
Q: I’ve seen Goldie Hawn at premieres where I worked. So it’s like (“YOU KNOW”) I’ve either met or interacted with — in some way, shape or form everyone in Hollywood just about. (“SO”) Symbolically, it’s very telling. Of course, the major symbolism here is the Paramount mountain.
V: Of course. (“SO”)
Q: You can see why I was chosen. (“BUT”) Believing it is a lot harder. Even for me. (“I MEAN”) I can comprehend it. I do have mixed feelings about it. Obviously, the most important aspect of it for me is my own relationship with God. (“UM”) But — not to be narcissistic — I am writing the book for mankind so other people can vicariously feel this love through me, which in a way is a sacrifice. (“SO”) It’s interesting to think about. (“I MEAN”) All these different symbols. It’s too weird. Like the tape recorder not working. It’s working now. (“BUT” “HUAAA”) But losing all that — (“YOU KNOW” “I[T]”) it doesn’t bother me. At one point, I would have been angry. I would have been confused. I would have been — probably crying —
V: Mmmm.
Q: — thinking that I had done something wrong. Now I know better. He’s a good editor. That’s why I don’t really want some publisher editing my book. He’s already edited it.
V: Very convenient.
Q: Exactly. (“UHH”) Oh my goodness. So I’m very pleased with everything. I guess my questions are still the same that anyone would have. For example, will He make an exception for me in terms of death? (laughs) Because there were some people in the Bible who didn’t die.
V: Quite so.
Q: And who wants to go through that, anyway?
V: Exactly.
Q: I mean (“A”) actually, it’s a very beautiful bringing together of an individual with God because when you go through the illnesses and pains of death is when you really start depending on God and appreciating all the things that you may have taken for granted before. That’s how I felt in Alhambra. When you need God is when you’re in pain. Not until then. Usually. For most people. Well, I’ve experienced that so maybe He’ll make an exception in my case. Not that it matters. It doesn’t matter. Because once you know that you do have eternal life it seems like a small price to pay.
V: Sure.
Q: The more interesting question has to do with resurrection. Because there has to be some symbol of something that will happen to me that is sort of like (“RE”) resurrection. I could envision that as, maybe, false reports that I’ve died in a plane crash or something. I hope it isn’t something more gory. Like the dead dog becoming a living dog (“UHH”) again. Or me changing into some kind of super-being.
V: Sure. (“I MEAN”)
Q: That would scare the shit out of me.
V: (laughs)
Q: (laughs) I don’t want that. No. No. That’s not me. I don’t want that. Anyway, it’s weird. It’s all symbolic. No one really knows what Judgement Day is. Or what that involves. (“I” “LIE”) I’ve raised a lot of different possibilities in my book.
V: Mmmm.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: SOMETIMES I FORGET WHAT IMPRESSIONS AND THOUGHTS I HAVE RECORDED AND THOSE I HAVEN’T. I DID DISCUSS THIS SUBJECT WHEN I HAD LUNCH WITH PAUL AMIRAULT. IN THE BELL WITCH: A MYSTERIOUS SPIRIT BY CHARLES BAILEY BELL, M.D., THE SPIRIT WAS QUOTED BY JOHN BELL, JR. AS SAYING ABOUT JUDGEMENT DAY: “THE GREAT CREATOR WILL DETERMINE HOW AND WHEN IT IS TO BE. I HAVE NEVER WITNESSED A JUDGEMENT DAY. I HAVE TOLD YOU OF EARTHLY THINGS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL COME TO PASS IN THE FUTURE WORLD OF MAN THAT I AM NOT PERMITTED TO TELL.”)
Q: I bet you can’t wait to read it.
V: I’m looking forward to it. (“MAYBE”)
Q: I Want you to read other portions of my book as I get them together. Because they still need another going-over. If I do get a call from Sherry Lansing or someone, I’m just going to give them the draft of the book in the present shape. Because the spirit voices really aren’t as important as what I’m saying after you’ve read the first 300 pages and seen that there are spirit voices. (“SO”) I’ve gotten a lot better at transcribing this as it’s gone along. (“AND” “SO”) And I just feel like when the time is right it will be right.
V: Mmmm.
Q: And, hopefully, my money won’t run out. My mom actually called me a few nights ago and said, (“THAT”) “I’m coming over there.” And almost like — (“LIKE”) she says, “You either get a job or I’ll have you committed.”
V: (laughs) (“B”)
Q: She’s so obsessed with me working because she’s afraid I won’t be able to (“YEAH”) survive in society. (“THAT”) She’ll say or do anything. That’s her generation. Plus, she was married to someone who didn’t work so she thinks it’s history repeating itself. I forgive her. (“US”) I (“STILL”) still love her.
V: Excellent.
Q: I still want her to have everlasting life. The same thing with all my friends and family. (“BUT”) People who’ve even experienced phenomena still don’t believe in Him.
V: Mmmm.
Q: So, again, (“IT”) unless you believe in Him I don’t see everlasting life happening. What do you think about that?
V: I suppose we’ll find out when the time comes. (laughs)
Q: Exactly. (“RIGHT”)
V: I want just to make the most of the present life. (“RIGHT”)
Q: Now you were saying something very interesting to me when I called you and I can’t remember what it was. It’s something I hadn’t thought about before. (“KISS”) Do you remember what that was? You raised some concept that I wasn’t familiar with.
V: Was it using the floatation tanks? (“OR” “YOU TALK”)
Q: We were talking about that but then you started talking about something else. (“YEAH ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE”)
V: Was it there were symbols in the unconscious?
Q: Something like — (“IT WAS LOVE”) it wasn’t Jungian but it was something else.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Duality or something.
V: Oh, was it duality?
Q: I don’t remember. It’ll come up. (“WAS A” “YEAH”) It was something philosophical. (“SO”) I don’t remember. It was interesting, though. When I hear it — you’ll raise it, I’m sure.
V: Sure.
Q: Oh God. What other questions do you have?
V: What makes you happy in life?
Q: What makes me happy in life? (“FFE” “NO”) Well, I am happy in life. Do I seem happy to you?
V: Yes. Very.
Q: If anyone is happy in life, it’s me. Because God has proven that He’s in my life.
V: Excellent.
Q: And He’s with me. Even though He isn’t talking to me like we’re talking. He does it through the daily horoscope, through other people, through common sense. (“SO” “AND THAT’S”) You know what? Isn’t that preferable? Not even getting into the reasons. (“LIKE” “YOU KNOW”) Not even bringing up Joan of Arc or schizophrenia or those things.
V: Sure.
Q: Another thing that I told my therapist was (“THAT”) my experience revealed to me (“THAT”) maybe everyone throughout history who has been delusional or schizophrenic is that way because of Mighael and was that way because of Mighael. (“THIS”) He was doing this to them for His own reasons.
V: Mmmm.
Q: So they would experience (“SOME”) this for their own separate redemption. It’s an interesting thought, isn’t it? (“SURE”) Have you ever wondered about that?
V: The possibility, yeah. I’ve given a great deal of thought to these manifestations.
Q: Yeah, because you’ve had some crazy people come in here, probably.
V: Oh, I don’t use the word crazy.
Q: No, of course not.
V: People do experience reality in a different way.
Q: Right, exactly.
V: A way in which institutions and society don’t expect us to experience reality.
Q: But people who, like, (“ME” “HAVE”) — have you ever wondered how somebody can come to the conclusion (“THAT”) they’re the reincarnation of somebody or that they are somebody. Like “I am Napoleon Bonaparte!”
V: Mmmm. (“I MEAN”)
Q: Well, I — having been through that I can tell you — (“OKAY LA”) there are ways. Other people can lead you to that conclusion. Plus, in my case, I had insects doing weird things — I mean God was manifesting Himself. So I knew I was somebody. And then what I read in books and things (“YOU KNOW”) just led me to the realization that I was Christ. I didn’t realize at first it was symbolic. (“SO”) That was delusional because of the definition of the word delusion. When you think you’re something that can’t be proven it’s delusional. However, I think I’m Mabus; Son of Man. That’s not delusional because he doesn’t exist. Until now. So that doesn’t fit the definition of delusion.
V: Quite so.
Q: (small laugh)
V: (laughs)
[2021 UPDATE: 'MABUS' IS MENTIONED ON MORE THAN A DOZEN TAPE SIDE TRANSCRIPTS. I WAS AWARE OF A FEW NOSTRADAMUS COMMENTATORS WHO ASSOCIATED 'MABUS' WITH THE ANTICHRIST AND THIS SEEMED IRONIC AND AMUSING TO ME; HOWEVER, IF ONE CONSIDERS FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY AS INVOLVING BELIEFS RATHER THAN ANY SINGLE CONCEPT, DIFFERENT AND SEEMINGLY CONTRADICTORY INTERPRETATIONS ARE DEPENDANT UPON EACH INDIVIDUAL'S PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY. AT FIRST IT SEEMED THERE WAS SOME VALIDITY TO THE POTENTIALITY OF MYSELF BEING BOTH 'CHRISTED ONE' AND 'ANTICHRIST' AS MY KNOWLEDGE MADE THE PERCEPTION OF THE BIBLICAL JESUS AS THE LONE 'SON OF GOD' IRRELEVANT IN LIGHT OF THE ANGELIC 'CHRIST FORCE' OR 'CHRIST SPIRIT' AS SAVIOR OF HUMANITY THROUGH WHAT CAN BE LEARNED FROM THE ANNALS OF 'SUPERNATURAL' PHENOMENA AND 'TRANSCENDENTAL COMMUNICATION' — THIS PREDICAMENT MADE MANIFEST WITH MY PERSONAL CASE CHRONOLOGY. ONE PRS LECTURER EVEN MADE ME AWARE HOW THIS SEEMING CONTRADICTORY ASSOCIATION COULD BE MADE WITH THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF JESUS. EVIDENTLY, KNOWLEDGE OF THE 'CHRIST FORCE' WAS DISPLACED WITH ANTHROPOMORPHIC DOGMA CONTRIBUTED BY UNKNOWN CONTRIBUTORS AND EDITORS OF WHAT BECAME THE 'HOLY BIBLE.']
Q: I’m sure my previous therapist wouldn’t see it that way. In fact, when I told her, “I really wish Mighael would just speak to me like he does to the thousand people in Oklahoma”; she said, “Well, if you were hearing voices there’d be something else we’d have to do for you.” In her most Nurse Ratched tone of voice.
V: Uhhh. (“YOU KNOW”)
Q: A lot of shrinks (“WITH”) that Dr. before their name take the easy way out. (“SHE’LL”) They always want to give you drugs. They always think it’s a chemical imbalance.
V: Hmpf.
Q: ‘Give them a wonderful miracle drug and that will take away the problem.’ Not in every case.
V: Exactly. (“YOU’RE JUST”)
Q: You’re just hooked to a drug for life usually. You’re a zombie for life (“OH NO”) because someone doesn’t really want to get to the root of the problem.
V: Exactly.
Q: My book is also a tell-all book about (“THE MENT” “MM MODERN”) how stupid and inane modern medicine is. There are a lot of diseases out there that people think they know about and they have no clue.
V: Mmmm. Sure. That’s true.
Q: Yeah. True. These are all obvious — another thing about my book is that they’re all obvious truths. It’s just that I’m commenting on them a little bit in a different capacity. With a different point of view. So it’s a lot of fun.
V: When did you first become aware of Mighael and His role in your life?
Q: Well, all my life, I’ve had strange things happening to me. (“STRA[NGE]”) Like everyone does. Everyone has strange things happening to them. Like narrowly missing an accident on the freeway. Or, when I was a child, for example, I was cleaning my terrarium. (“MM”) I had a pet turtle. And all of a sudden it was gone. It had disappeared. (“IT IS”) I looked around and could not find it. I was devastated that my beloved pet turtle was gone. Recently, I’ve been thinking maybe a bird carried it off. But even more recently I’ve been thinking that Mighael carried it off.
V: Could be.
Q: (laughs)
V: (laughs) (“SO” “AND PLUS”)
Q: Turtles are good luck. (“YOU KNOW THERE’S”) So there’s another symbol. (“THERE”)
V: Mmmm.
Q: Plus, I think that my pet turtle would have been a lot happier at the bottom of some river somewhere than he was in my little terrarium. So I don’t really have pets. I mean fish or anything. First of all, with all my responsibilities (“I KNOW”) I really don’t have time for a pet. I have visits, though. The black cat who lives next door visits me a lot. (small laugh)
V: Is that good luck or bad luck?
Q: There’s a lot of — (“LU[CK]” “EVERY”) what?
V: Is that good luck or bad luck?
Q: Of course, it’s good luck. For me, it’s good luck.
V: Excellent.
Q: Again, it’s what (“IT’S”) we project—good or bad—into the symbol.
V: Of course.
Q: For example, (“YOU SSS”) some people would see a black cat as a sign of witchcraft. I see a black cat as a sign of resurrection. First of all, because you have the nine lives. And I also see it as a very loving sign for us because cats are very loving creatures and they have unconditional love for people. So that’s what I see. But I would. (small laugh)
V: (laughs)
Q: Ohhhh. (“HHHHHHH”) All I can say is that for those people who are evil there is a very evil demonic being just waiting to get their hooks into them.
V: Mmmm.
Q: I experienced just a little bit of it and He loves me so can you imagine what these people have to look forward to? I guess (“PE”) if people want to get some indication of what the possibilities are, they should rent that movie “Hellbound: Hellraiser II.” (“NOOOOOO”) Did you ever see that?
V: Noooooo. It’s the guy with needles all over his head or something, isn’t it?
Q: Right. (“BUT”)
V: I haven’t seen it.
Q: “Hellraiser II” actually showed scenes in hell.
V: Oh really?
Q: Really. And if you look at my concept that every movie is a miracle and God is introducing possibilities — bingo. Now you probably want to (“RU”) rush out and rent that movie.
V: Yeah, I mean — (“I SEE”)
Q: No, don’t. Don’t. That’s another thing that I’m revealing in my book. (“IS THAT”) People who find themselves drawn to evil films are definitely there to learn a lesson.
V: Mmmm.
Q: One of the reasons why the movie “Seven” was so popular was because God was bringing people to see this movie (“FOR SOME”) for His own reasons. Notice I have not seen the movie. I go around town wearing the movie cap with the “Seven” title logo on it — (“BECAUSE”) it’s a long story.
V: Sure. (small laugh) (“BUT”)
Q: I haven’t seen the movie — nor will I see the movie. I only want to see positive expressions of love. And I can’t even — I haven’t seen a movie in ages. (“IN FACT”) My friend Fiona and I were going to go see “Persuasion” tomorrow but she had to cancel and I have a lot to do. I have a lot of transcribing I’m behind on. So let’s just say she had car problems. Mighael. (small laugh) Car problems are always a sure sign of Mighael. Trust me on this.
V: Sure.
Q: You’ll get it when you read my book. It’s there. For the people who like to read closely. It’s going to be a neat book. (“KKK”) You can’t possibly get all the meanings in one sitting. It’s very complex. I mean I haven’t even paid much attention to the spirit voices because they’re just fragments. They probably go together in all kinds of ways I have no idea about.
V: Mmmm.
Q: There are all kinds of hidden meanings, I’m sure. (“YOU KNOW”) It’s going to be interesting if I ever get it finished. (“I JUST HOPE”) I just hope I do get to be around when it’s published.
V: Mmmm. (“BBBRRR”)
Q: I mean I’d love to do “Barbara Walters” or something. Even though I’m not — if I do interviews, which I really don’t know. I really — (“DON’T”) I think it’s probably dangerous. (“BECAUSE”) All this politically correct business. (“BUT UM”) I definitely would not just do interviews — I’m not going to be the only one answering the questions. It’s going to definitely be a give-and-take where I’ll answer a question and then they have to answer a question. Because they’ll be channeling. And I’ll be channeling. And much more will come out. (“BUT”) People are afraid — (“OF”) being in that predicament. Unless they really are in the same position I am, which is wanting to prove your love to God and not worrying about how you will look or your image.
V: Sure.
Q: I have a couple questions I’d love to ask Barbara Walters about.
V: Wouldn’t we all?
Q: Exactly. And probably some very tough questions. I guarantee I have nothing to hide.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Somebody can ask me how much money I have in the bank and I’ll be glad to tell them. However, can you imagine what would happen if I were to ask Barbara Walters how much money she had in her bank account?
V: (laughs)
Q: (small laugh) (“PPP”) I think the interview would be over real quick.
V: I think so. Yeah.
Q: Another one is Oprah Winfrey. Is the tape still going? I love Oprah Winfrey. You know how rich Oprah Winfrey is?
V: She’s the richest of all the TV hosts, isn’t she? (“MUCH”)
Q: And much beyond that. (“BUT”) She’s a beautiful woman who is consciously trying to create good in the world and avoid exploitation. (“BUT YET”) Everyone who appears on her show gets no share of the money that the show makes.
V: Quite.
Q: She’s an exploitative person who has all this wealth and she doesn’t even need it. She can give most of her money to charity and still live like a queen.
V: Oh yes.
Q: Oh yes. See? (“EACH”) The things I’m saying are obvious even to the people I’m saying them about.
V: Oh yes. (“BUT YET”)
Q: If I was Oprah Winfrey, it would hurt like hell to hear someone say that. Can you imagine? I don’t want to hurt her feelings. It’s true for everyone, though, who has money and who’s in a position of power. I mean there needs to be somebody like me just to open up people’s eyes. Because of the ozone layer. Because of the rain forest. Because of the extinction of so many species. Because of the food chain in the ocean being destroyed. Because of the French detonating nuclear weapons. I mean the list goes on and on and on and on. Because of Bosnia. Because of Russia. I mean there’s no end to it. We won’t even talk about South America. My God. Write off South America.
V: Mmmm.
Q: I mean let’s face it — oh, unless you want to include Los Angeles. (laughs)
V: (laughs)
Q: I mean it’s ridiculous. These are all things that people know.
V: Hmmm. Of course. (“BUT”)
Q: When I say them, considering my background, it takes on sort of a new meaning. Especially since we’re approaching the year 2000 —
V: Sure.
Q: — which many people have interpreted as being the end of the world.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Which is a definite possibility.
V: Could be.
Q: Hopefully not. (“SEE THERE’S”) There are all kind of potential realities. We were talking a little bit earlier about how I was starting to think about different realities and counter-realities. In fact, that’s what the Bell Witch said. (“THAT”) There’s no one reality.
V: Absolutely. (“AND THERE WERE WAYS”)
Q: I learned that lesson in Alhambra even though (“THEY”) some of the circumstances would sound ludicrous to most people. Like, for example, the fact that (“WE’LL EAT”) the street address of the Alhambra hospital was Rosemead. It’s not even located in Alhambra. (“THE STREET”)
V: Mmmm. (“SO”)
Q: Things like that as I was learning them made me think that, “Well, maybe He changed it geographically. It seemed like maybe He was changing things. (“LIKE”) When I was being good I was in (“ALHAM”) Rosemead. And when I wasn’t (“CUTTING”) what He wanted me to be, I was back in Alhambra. And He couldn’t quite make up His mind. (“AND”) Once, I noticed a magazine ad about cybersex and eventually someone, channeling Mighael, said to me flat out, “I can’t believe it — I’m being rejected . . .” And so I just said, “It takes two to reject.”
V: Yes.
Q: Which was, like, news to Him. (small laugh)
V: Mmmm. (“BELL”)
Q: So I think subconsciously He wanted to reject mankind and, luckily, (“YEAH”) I just made Him realize that.
V: Mmmm. Excellent. (“YEAH”)
Q: Yeah. So I don’t know. (“THIS IT JUST IT’S”) Much goes beyond that too. For example, there was a talkshow I noticed (“UM”) involving spouses who won’t have sex with their partners. (“YOU KNOW”) Offended, I think I said, “That’s ridiculous. To make a big deal out of something like that.” Angry, I asked a man who was well-aware that he was in his own purgatory-type situation to change the channel. I was seeing deeper levels of significance in all these commonplace things. There were games. One that I put together was called Perfection but there were a few pieces missing. (“THAT WAS”) They had a few games in the (“THE”) dismal ‘fun room.’ (“WHICH”) It had no books and that was where there was a communal television. There was also (“GET”) a checkers game — I mean all kinds of games. It’s like in the movie “Searching for Bobby Fischer.” It’s like the little boy (“ISN’T”) isn’t so crazy about love but, boy, does he appreciate games.
V: Mmmm. (“I MEAN”)
Q: It’s like every movie and every book reveals something about God and about mankind. And my book’s going to help people see some of the parallels that they were oblivious to before. What’s the last movie you’ve seen?
V: I think it was “Casino.”
Q: “Casino.”
V: Yes.
Q: That’s a game. (“THE LAST”) One of the times I was in Las Vegas and, God knows, I’ve been to Las Vegas a lot in my life.
V: Yes. (small laugh)
Q: Both Michael and I both won royal flushes on Rio hotel poker machines during different visits. My twin brother — (“TO THE”) I’m talking about now.
V: Mmmm.
Q: Well, isn’t that a little unusual that identical twins would both win —
V: It certainly is.
Q: — royal flushes on poker machines?
V: Amazing.
Q: And he only played it a few times. Another thing is once I was there — this was before that I knew that there was a Mighael. (“I MEAN”) An Entity Mighael. I knew God was in my life but I didn’t know it was Mighael. There was a man and his wife playing blackjack at a table and I kid you not. They had hundreds of thousands of dollars in winnings. Every single time the dealer would deal he would win.
V: Wow. (“WHEN”)
Q: No matter what they shuffled the deck. At the time I thought, “That guy must be planted by the casino. There’s just no way.” Now I know it was just Mighael proving to me His existence so when I went to Oklahoma and realized he was consciously doing things in my life I remembered a thousand instances where He was saying ‘I’m here’ and hadn’t been aware of it.
V: Mmmm.
Q: The most obvious one, just to give you an example, was at night I would feel a tap on my leg. Somebody tapping me on the leg. I would wake up and I would just think, “Well, that was a tap on my leg but there’s no one here so it must have been a muscle contraction.” I wonder how many people have felt that at night. Have you ever experienced that?
V: Oh yes.
Q: Well, guess what? That’s Mighael. That’s God saying ‘hello.’ And when you read about it in my book, you’ll say, ‘Oh, that’s happened to me too.’ So He’s revealing His existence to everyone through me, (“RICA”) which is what (“I’LL TELL” “PEPSI”) God did with the original Jesus.
V: Mmmm. (“SO”)
Q: What else? What other experiences? I’ve had every experience. Like the day before the big earthquake, my next door neighbor’s black cat threw up outside my (“AN[GEL]” “BLAME”) balcony door. So every single possible miracle/phenomena that you’ve ever heard of I’ve experienced in my life. And denied it (“UHH”) at the time. Everyone who I’ve ever been close to or considering having sex with went out of my life faster than you could say anything.
V: Oh really?
Q: Either by circumstances, illness or what-have-you. (“SO”) I think I’m definitely Mighael’s territory. (“HIS”) Soulmate. Or I mean I definitely think He wants me — He is a jealous God in some ways and I wouldn’t think He would be that way about me because I’m not particularly good-looking. (laughs)
V: Whatever the — (small laugh)
Q: But I guess it’s more of a spiritual thing.
V: Sure.
Q: You know, it’s so weird. I mean this is something that I really — it’s one of the more difficult things that I’ve had (“TO”) to come to terms with. (“SO”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I GLANCE AT THE TAPE RECORDER HERE.)
Q: Oh, I notice we’ve stopped — oh no, we’re still going. I’m so paranoid now that the tape is going to stop — after that last episode — that I keep checking. Another thing you don’t know about but my interviews always seem to end at sort of a strange or punctuating point in the interview. And on this tape I think I’m going to get around that because it starts making beeping noises. Even though it hasn’t been doing that. Well, it looks like it’s toward the end of the tape and it’s not making any beeping noises. So I’m very confused. Remember how it was making beeping?
V: Yeah.
Q: At the end of the first half hour? I haven’t heard any beeps. And it’s coming to the very end of the tape. So this is just too hard for me to comprehend. One of the many different miracles — anything dealing with technology — forget it. Mighael can make any photocopier machine not work. Any telephone not work. Any possible machine He can keep from working when He wants to.
V: Mmmm. (cues begin) (“SO”)
Q: Okay, now it’s beeping. So it is beeping. Good. You never know with Mighael. Now I know why there are paranoid people walking around out there. Because I do feel (“IT”) limited (“B”) versions of paranoia. For example, my friend Larry’s father used to work in the CIA. I think investigating aliens.
V: Mmmm. (“AND”)
Q: Possibly (“AND I MENTIONED”) I mentioned to him some things about Clinton and aliens. (“SO”) Ever since that time, I’ve had strange noises on my phones. (“AND” “PEOPLE” “HAVE” “AND SAID”) I’ve noticed strange people following me.
V: Mmmm. (“SO IT’S LIKE”)
Q: It’s possible. I’m not scared of them or anything. I’m not, like, protecting myself or anything. But it’s a possibility that the CIA is keeping tabs on me.
V: Right.
Q: Have you had any phone problems? (“OR”) Hear any weird noises on your phones recently?
V: Not very recently but in the past.
Q: What were they like?
V: Well, all sorts of things but I don’t know if it was somebody leaving me strange messages.
Q: Like what?
V: Oh, it reminded me of the sound of birdsong or voices or —
Q: Well, that’s just Mighael’s usual —
V: Right. (“I”)
Q: I mean CIA-type things like hang-ups (“UMM YEAH”) and (“WHEN”) —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: TAPE #42, SIDE #2 ENDS HERE. I FINISHED TRANSCRIBING THIS TAPE JULY 1ST AND READ LOVE LETTERS FROM SPIRIT TO YOU BY JACOB BEILHART DURING THIS TIME. WHAT FOLLOWS IS A PORTION FROM LOVE LETTER #15.)
Thus man grew into darkness until he knew Me not. But this was all good, for I was to come to him in a higher consciousness. So I revealed Myself to him gradually as he was capable of receiving Me: at first, only where he believed things were very clean and good. Then I would increase My visits, and appoint more places where he and I would visit, until the mind of man grew and saw Me in many things. But of course he interpreted Me according to his highest conception, which was not I at all, for he thought I was a divided God; and loved only a few good people and favored them.
But the Light of My Presence changed his conscious mind until the ability of the race was such as could produce a man who could see Me as I am; and he saw Me in all things. To him I appeared in My real nature — or rather, he interpreted Me as I am.
Now this is history, and does not concern you except as it serves to illustrate your own individual experience.
You will gradually let more and more of Me into the chambers of your conscious thoughts until you come to the point in your conscious growth where you will be able to interpret Me as I am. Then you will not have a thought but you will make Me a companion with you in that thought. And if I am in the thought, you will not act or speak in a way that is not in accord with the Law of Life. So harmony alone can exist for you in all parts of your body and mind.
Until you see me in all things, you do not see Me at all; but only see your imagination of Me. And this is only an image of your own creation, and has no life with which to bless you, or give you harmony.
But the Light of My Presence changed his conscious mind until the ability of the race was such as could produce a man who could see Me as I am; and he saw Me in all things. To him I appeared in My real nature — or rather, he interpreted Me as I am.
Now this is history, and does not concern you except as it serves to illustrate your own individual experience.
You will gradually let more and more of Me into the chambers of your conscious thoughts until you come to the point in your conscious growth where you will be able to interpret Me as I am. Then you will not have a thought but you will make Me a companion with you in that thought. And if I am in the thought, you will not act or speak in a way that is not in accord with the Law of Life. So harmony alone can exist for you in all parts of your body and mind.
Until you see me in all things, you do not see Me at all; but only see your imagination of Me. And this is only an image of your own creation, and has no life with which to bless you, or give you harmony.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: PROVIDING EVIDENCE OF PEOPLE’S INABILITY TO RECOGNIZE THE MIRACULOUS, THE FOLLOWING IS FROM FLIGHTS OF FANCY? 100 YEARS OF PARANORMAL EXPERIENCES [1987] BY LYNN PICKNETT.)
In 1986 millions of Wimbledon’s tennis fans witnessed the short, sharp rebellion of a humble tennis ball . . . Live on television the rogue ball skimmed through the mesh of the net, exhibiting with true chutzpah which scientists and parapsychologists call “matter through matter transference.” Even BBC’s urbane commentator Dan Maskell was moved to muse that this was “really quite remarkable,” and viewers were treated to an action replay of what was, in effect, more a milestone in television and, indeed, human history than Armstrong’s giant leap for mankind.
But the more outrageous the impossibility, the shorter our memories of it; play continued and the event did not even figure in the inevitable end-of-Wimbledon compilation of clips showing players falling over and umpires eating their sandwiches in the rain. Like many anomalous events it was spontaneous and over in a split second. Blink and you missed it, even given a brief action replay. Millions witnessed the event but how many remember it? It is part of our human condition, or rather human conditioning, that even viewers who remember it happening refuse to see its significance . . .
To believe that anything can, and probably will, happen is to be free. And because the nature of the phenomena is whimsical we, too, as its friends, can be blissfully inconsistent in our favoritism: we may applaud D. D. Home and despise Florence Cook, look askance at fairies and ponder deeply about spontaneous human combustion, fire extinguisher to hand. Proof and disproof is from Alice-land anyway, whatever the men In white coats say. The paranormal puts on the motley, not rubber gloves.
If you make friends with the impossible it will make friends with you. The Cosmic Joker may have a wicked sense of humor, but he gets lonely laughing at his own jokes. We have stood in the corner too long — let’s go out and play.
But the more outrageous the impossibility, the shorter our memories of it; play continued and the event did not even figure in the inevitable end-of-Wimbledon compilation of clips showing players falling over and umpires eating their sandwiches in the rain. Like many anomalous events it was spontaneous and over in a split second. Blink and you missed it, even given a brief action replay. Millions witnessed the event but how many remember it? It is part of our human condition, or rather human conditioning, that even viewers who remember it happening refuse to see its significance . . .
To believe that anything can, and probably will, happen is to be free. And because the nature of the phenomena is whimsical we, too, as its friends, can be blissfully inconsistent in our favoritism: we may applaud D. D. Home and despise Florence Cook, look askance at fairies and ponder deeply about spontaneous human combustion, fire extinguisher to hand. Proof and disproof is from Alice-land anyway, whatever the men In white coats say. The paranormal puts on the motley, not rubber gloves.
If you make friends with the impossible it will make friends with you. The Cosmic Joker may have a wicked sense of humor, but he gets lonely laughing at his own jokes. We have stood in the corner too long — let’s go out and play.
