INTERVIEW — TAPE #40, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell BellH: Obadiah Harris, Ph.D. (of The Philosophical Research Society)W: Karma Welch (astrologer, metaphysician)J: Jeanne Harris (of The PRS)A: Alexis Ringwald (an acquaintance at the PRS)K: Maya Koyo (of the PRS)L: Lydia Ringwald (an acquaintance at the PRS)C: May Carpenter (an acquaintance at the PRS)P: Joseph Pica (gas station attendant)N: Jenny (market cashier)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So I’m on hold while speaking to Hanna King on the phone. I asked her about her name and she told me that she had created the name herself based on numerology. (“BUT”) Her original name was a Polish name: Wyszynska. So maybe the King lineage isn’t Jewish after all and I’m not Jewish. (“YEAH”) I don’t know. She joked and said, “Well, maybe in another lifetime.”
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Q: Well, I’m still (“TRA”) transcribing tape #26, side #1 and it’s hard hearing the spirit messages and I keep being distracted by contemplating some of the things (“THAT”) I think about as I transcribe. Such as that period when I came back from Oklahoma and thought I only had three weeks to do this book. (“YEAH” “BOO”) Or books. (“AND UM”) I remember trying to get people to help me and when no one would help me, I began saying, “In three weeks there’s going to be a big bang.” (“UH-HUH”) And I also tried threatening about Judgement Day. You know: “That’s a big job.” (“UH-HUH”) Etcetera. Etcetera. (“NO”) But I just happened to glance at one of my books on Nostradamus called Prophecies Fulfilled and Predictions for the Millennium & Beyond by Francis X. King who’s probably a cousin of mine as well. I see in the chapter entitled “Nostradamus & the River of Time,” it says:
In this respect readers will have to consider what is meant by the word ‘time’, for some theories concerning prophecies in general and those of Nostradamus in particular involve looking at time in quite a different way from that in which we almost all tend to view it. We think of it as being like a great river, running from it’s source to it’s end. The ‘Big Bang’ — or the divine act of creation — is seen as the source of the river of time, the extinction of the universe — or the Last Judgement — as its end. Our own lives are, metaphorically speaking, short journeys along that river which are always downstream.
There are, however, many other hypotheses concerning the nature of time. One of them, looked upon with favour by some reputable physicists, regards the structure of time as suggestive not of a river but the above-ground form of an enormous forest tree, ‘our time,’ which embraces the entire universe of matter and energy as we know it, being no more than a twig upon one of the branches of the tree.
Q: Well, I remember that time is circular from earlier in my book. (“KKK”) This is all something to think about.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING INTERVIEWS WERE TAPED ON SUNDAY, JANUARY 7TH AT THE PHILOSOPHICAL RESEARCH SOCIETY. TRANSCRIBING THIS PORTION WAS DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE BACKGROUND VOICES WHICH HAVEN’T BEEN TRANSCRIBED AND MADE IT CONFUSING IN TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE SPIRIT MESSAGES. BEFORE I SPOKE TO KARMA WELCH, I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDER AS I SHOWED OBADIAH MY EGYPTIAN MEDALLION.)
Q: I’m still working on my book but I found this (“THE MOVIE”) near where I live.
H: Isn’t that cute? (“IT”)
Q: I think it’s the god (Amun-)Ra or Bel-Marduk.
H: Oh, I think it is too. I think it’s Marduk. (“HOW”)
Q: Why do you say that?
H: Well, I don’t know but it’s something about the nose. (“HELLO” “HONEY” “GOOD”)
Q: Does it look a little bit like me? Look.
H: It could be. Yes.
Q: Isn’t that funny?
H: It’s Indian. It seems Indian to me. (“WOOF”)
Q: Well, I’m working on my book but you know what I realized? (“ALEC”) You know my pseudonym is Mark Russell Bell — (“AND SO THAT FITS”) Mabus in Nostradamus’s prophecies.
H: Good. (“SO I”)
Q: I think I really am Mabus.
H: Oh, isn’t that wonderful to find that out about yourself? (“WELL” “YEAH” “IT HAS TO DO”)
Q: I mean we’ll have to maybe have lunch sometime but God really did reveal all of His secrets to me and I’m (“COME HOME”) supposed to write about it in this book.
H: Well, keep it up. Keep it up. (“I”)
Q: I know.
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Q: I don’t have a chart. I would have loved to come to the workshop because I have (“JESUS”) all kinds of interesting things in my life. For example, my (“LAWYER” “SSS” “YEAH”) author’s name is Mark Russell Bell, (“I LOVE YOU”) which is (“WHO’LL” “YEAH”) an anagram for Mabus.
W: Oh yes.
Q: I’m a Leo. I’m thirty-nine years old. August 8, 1956. The possibilities are very interesting I think.
W: Yes. Very.
Q: So I’m writing a book — (“WHICH IS LIKE AN” “FAR”) a New Age bible.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I DON’T LIKE THE DENOTATION OF THE PHRASE ‘NEW AGE.’ I PREFER ‘NEW CONSCIOUSNESS BIBLE.’)
W: Oh, how neat.
Q: So it’s like (“MAR” “I’M”) I am Son of Man. (“GETTING A GUN”)
Q: You know.
W: Um-huh. (“RIGHT”)
Q: So I would love to see you sometime and have you do my chart or (^) something.
W: Okay, that would be fine. Do you have a card?
Q: No, I don’t.
W: You don’t? Well, could you write something down on — (“YOU CAN JUST”)
Q: Just tell it to me (“RRR”) and (I indicate my tape recorder) I’ll write it down later.
W: (gives number)
Q: I’ll give you a call.
W: Okay. Good. (“YIKES” “GO BACK”)
Q: I also have the exact time I was born.
W: Just tell me, “It’s Mabus.” Okay? (small laugh)
W: I’ll remember. (“ME” “BURN THE LOVE” “UM-HUH” “THAT’S RIGHT” “REMEMBER”)
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Q: Jeanne, I know you’re interested in Egypt (“TOLD A GUY”) so I thought I would show you (“DO WHAT I CAN”) something I just got (“THIS LAST”) on Friday. (“WHO BELIEVE — WHO BELIEVE” “CEPTED”) I bought this at a local shop. (“OH YEAH”)
Q: I just spoke to Obadiah and he thinks it’s the god (Amun-)Ra.
J: He knows. (“YEAH”)
Q: Doesn’t it look like me?
J: Well, you know what we can do. Take a picture of you on the side. Then we can see better.
Q: I did that.
J: You did that? Does that look like you? Just line it up with the film. (“WELL I HA[VEN’T]”)
J: Well, Kim looks like Nefertiti on the profile.
Q: Oh really?
J: So I call her Nefertiti.
Q: Right. (“WHAT ARE THEY”)
Q: What’s your name?
Q: And your last name?
Q: You’re such a nice lady. I just thought I would include you in my book in some way.
J: (laughs) Okay.
Q: You know, I’m working on my book that I’ve been talking about.
J: I know. Yeah. You talk to Obadiah all the time about that.
Q: Right. Exactly.
J: I’m glad.
Q: I don’t know if I’m working on the sequel or if this is the first book but I’m still working.
J: It’s good to start with something.
Q: Okay, well thank you.
J: Alright. Thank you.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: IN THE BOOKSTORE, A TEENAGE GIRL HAS CREATED A LONG, RESONANT SOUND TONE C WITH A CRYSTAL BOWL.)
A: Thank you. (small laugh)
Q: Can you tell me what you were doing for my the book I’m writing (“UM THAT THEN”) that embraces many areas of New Age thought.
A: Oh, I don’t know. What was I doing? (“PAPER”)
A: Ask her. (“THE SON”)
K: Playing the crystal bowl.
Q: Playing the crystal bowl. (“AND IT”) You carried it a long time. (“MADE” “SONY” “WHAT”) What happened? (“HUNDRED”)
A: I don’t know. I just tried it today. That’s the second time I really got it.
Q: Oh really?
A: Before, I couldn’t get it.
Q: I’ve heard this sound before. (“LIKE I”) On some tapes that I recorded. (“WOULD”) Would you explain this a little bit? In a few sentences.
K: What was your question? (“OH” “JUST WHAT THIS”)
Q: What was she doing?
K: Oh, she was playing a crystal bowl and this bowl makes sound C and —
Q: It says “First chakra.”
K: First chakra, yeah. Each bowl makes a different sound and each sound is (“MAYA”) supposed to be opening —
L: Is it the chakra?
K: — respective chakras. Yeah.
Q: I see. And what are your names?
A: Alexis Ringwald and —
Q: Any relation to Molly?
A: (small laugh)
K: My name is Maya Koyo and I’m the bookstore manager.
Q: Well, it was nice to meet you.
K: Nice to meet you too. (“OKAY”)
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L: These are the angels of the bookstore: Alexis (“BOO” “HOO HOO”) She’s also a ballerina. She also — (“THAT WAS HE”)
L: — spins on her toes. (“TEE HEE”)
Q: Wow. (“ECHH”) And what’s your name?
L: Lydia. I’m her mother.
Q: Oh, okay. (“YEAH”) Well, it was nice to meet you.
L: An artist — (“SHE DID”) a metaphysical artist.
L: Uh-huh. (“WELL UM” “SO”)
Q: I’ve been telling everyone because I don’t have to be secretive about it anymore. But my pseudonym is Mark Russell Bell. (“HUH”) And I just recently (“RR”) realized it’s an anagram for Mabus. You know — that Nostradamus predicted. So I think that my book might be a bestseller.
K: Sounds good.
L: Who’s publishing it? (“SOUNDS GOOD”) Do you have a publisher? (“BILLY”)
Q: I’m not finished with it yet.
L: You’ll have to write the whole thing and then you can —
Q: I’m hoping Simon and Schuster will publish it.
L: Yeah, you’re writing that and then you’re going to take it in —
L: — just to communicate it.
Q: We’ll see. Whatever God plans will be what happens.
L: Yeah, and your effort too.
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Q: What happened again because I was (“WR”) writing my notes and I missed that.
J: Hug the divine in you.
Q: Yeah, so we hugged and then we turned to someone else —
J: And then hugged the divine in somebody else.
Q: Well, it was funny when we did that because there was no one next to me (“FALCO”) so I have this Entity in my life who’s like an angel.
Q: So I turned to Him and we hugged. (“THAT’S WO”) Everyone else was hugging. (“SO”) I and my Entity were able to hug. (“PEW”)
J: That’s wonderful. (“SO I WENT”) You and your guardian angel.
C: Beautiful concept.
Q: It was beautiful — isn’t that great?
C: Yeah. Beautiful concept.
Q: Uh-huh. No one else was there so I hugged my Entity.
C: That’s right.
Q: Did you hug someone?
C: I missed part of it but I’m going to do that — and actually the concept is just so terrific because it is a presence that’s with you —
Q: Um-huh. (“AND”)
C: — at all times.
Q: He’s with everyone.
Q: Whether He’s an angel or whatever.
J: That’s right.
Q: So (“I CALL”) I — (“IT’S A”) long story. (small laugh)
J: Yeah, well I’ll — (“BUT UM”)
Q: What’s your name, by the way?
J: What are you recording exactly?
C: May Carpenter. (“CARPENTER”)
Q: Oh, well that’s a very religious name. (“YEAH”)
C: Oh yeah. I hope so. (“YEAH”) Maybe by a long range (“WASN’T”) connected to the carpenter Jesus. (“THE GO[D]”) (small laugh)
Q: Oh, we all are, you know? (“YOU ARE” “ON”) At least, on a symbolic level. (“POOR TIMING”) But Carpenter, wow. (“I NEED”) Nice meeting you.
C: You too.
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Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Anyway, I’m at the 76 Union gas station — where once the paperwork vanished and reappeared. I’m having them check my oil and car over because someone told me I should check my oil. And I borrowed Abba’s Hits CD from my brother and I see that the correct title of the song is “Money Money Money” so now I’m very confused about why I heard Mighael singing “Monday Monday Monday.”
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Q: I’m low two quarts on the oil so I’m glad I brought it in.
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Q: So thank you for such good service.
P: Oh, you’re welcome.
Q: By the way, I’m writing a book on synchronicity. What is your name?
P: Joseph Pica.
Q: Do you know what that means?
P: I know a couple different meanings for it.
Q: Well, what?
P: Well, one thing (“I[N]”) in English I know — well, it’s — Pica (e-sound) is nothing but Pica, same spelling/different pronunciation is a fetish for eating strange, unusual foods like ash or wood (“UM-HUH”) or chalk or something like that.
P: And then, it’s also a small South American rodent. (“RA”)
Q: Wow. And Joseph, or course, is a biblical name.
P: Very nice — pre-biblical. Yeah.
Q: Yeah. Interesting.
Q: Thank you.
P: The bottom one’s the —
P: — yeah. (“KENNY”) Here’s your credit card.
Q: It’s also the type ‘pica,’ right? As in ‘I prefer “pica” to “elite.”‘
P: Do you? Elite’s a little bigger, right?
Q: I think it’s the opposite (“YEAH”) By the way, (“WHAT I[S]”) what is your favorite Abba song? If you don’t remember what they are, those are the ones to choose from.
P: I don’t know. I know my wife is an Abba fan but I don’t even know if I know any of these without —
Q: Oh really?
P: — checking them out. (“YOU’RE NOT A”)
Q: You’re not a big Abba fan?
P: I probably know the music but I don’t know them by the name.
Q: Okay, well it was a nice try.
Q: You’ll read about it in my book.
P: (small laugh) Bye.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I THEN STOPPED ACROSS THE STREET AT THE MAYFAIR MARKET FOR A FEW ITEMS AND TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDER AGAIN AT THE CHECK-OUT COUNTER.)
Q: So what is your name?
N: Jenny. (small laugh)
Q: Last name? ([PHONETIC] “JENNY DUPONT” “HONEY”)
N: Don’t want to.
Q: What? (“GO WALK AWAY”)
N: Don’t want to.
Q: Oh, okay. I thought it might have some religious (“I’M JA”) meaning. (“HEY” “OR WE COULD” “HHHH”)
Q: My book encompasses name meanings.
N: Oh, meanings.
Q: I just spoke to someone who is named Carpenter and then somebody named Joseph.
Q: So I guess you don’t know what Jenny means. (“YUHO”)
N: No. Okay it’s $24.87.
Q: Okay. I bet Mayfair means something too.
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Q: Well, she wouldn’t let me interview her about her last name and I don’t blame her. But I just saw a dime on the tiles of the Mayfair supermarket.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDER WHILE LISTENING TO THE OPENING REFRAIN OF THE SONG “MONEY MONEY MONEY” ON THE ABBA CD AS I DRIVE HOME.)
Q: I just pulled into my parking space at my condo and the third paired refrain of “Money money money” in the song “Money Money Money” sounds more like “Monday Monday Monday.”
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Q: Another lyric in — by the way, this tape recorder drives me crazy with all the fucking beeps. Whoever had that idea — it (“IT”) was not a good one.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I HAVE SINCE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT THIS, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A WARNING THAT THE BATTERIES ARE GETTING WEAK. THIS WAS SOMETHING NOT MENTIONED IN THE OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS.)
Q: At least not for my purposes. Not for anyone’s purposes. I mean who needs to hear these lousy beeps? Of course, I made the assumption when I first heard them (“THEY”) that it was Mighael. So it wasn’t. But it was — (“UH-HUH”) if you know what I mean. (small laugh) Anyway, in that Abba song “Money Money Money,” one of the lyrics is “Must be Sunday / In the rich man’s world.” I still can’t quite make up my mind what (“WOULD”) would be the best day to go to church. I don’t think it would be the weekend because I think (“THAT”) the weekend would be better spent helping humanity. So either Monday or Tuesday. I guess maybe (“MMM”) Monday after all. After listening to this song. And thinking, (“LIKE”) “It’s the first day of the week.” (“IT’S LIKE”) I think Monday (“YEAH”) and not Tuesday would be the best day. (“TO HAVE LIKE”) Maybe an hour of quiet meditation time. (“AND” “YOU KNOW”) And (“WHAT”) whatever you believe. You know what I believe. Just a quiet time to pray. You don’t have to go to church or anything. (“JUST”) Set aside an hour a week to spend praying or in meditation about God.
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Q: So I am going to call Karma Welch and see if she can do my chart. What’s especially ironic was what she spoke about because before I went up to Karma and Obadiah and chatted them up, she had a very interesting presentation. She began by saying basically “to accept Christ is to embrace divinity within yourself.” And Obadiah apparently heard a voice himself. Probably Mighael — I mean who else would it be? Right after midnight one night. He didn’t know what time he had been born so a voice said, “THIS IS THE MOMENT WHEN YOU WERE BORN.” And he said it was 11:47 which was 1:47 back home. In Bartlesville, Oklahoma, of course. It would be Oklahoma. So he was born on January 6, 1930. By the way, the Philosophical Research Society has two of the initials of my own genetic father, Paul Russell. PRS. And Manley Hall — I’m not really familiar with his work but he was the one who started the Society and it seems like it’s becoming more popular than ever. Next week, Dean Brown is going to speak. I plan on attending. He’s a physicist and mystic. He’s going to speak about “The Evolution of Consciousness: Past, Present and Future” to begin his lecture series “New Horizons for the New Millennium.” He’s famous — I guess his main claim to fame is that he did the math on the H-bomb. Even though I don’t think it’s something he’s proud of — apparently he’s been doing a lot of work (“WORRY”) with UNESCO since then and he’s going to be involved in the growth of the PRS. (“YYY”) He’s going to have an office there and everything so that’s good. One of the things that Karma said was that the PRS is the contemporary equivalent of the ancient mystery schools. She said the most important things that happened in 1995 were: first, the Oklahoma City bombing, which was very close to where I visited. In fact, I (“WE[NT]”) went in through the Oklahoma City airport, of course. The second most important thing was the dispatch of 20,000 soldiers to Bosnia. The third, she said, was the O. J. trial. And, fourth, (“THE”) the Dow Jones went crazy. She said the latter two at least were reflective of Jupiter (“UH-HUH”) in the sign of Sagittarius. And now Jupiter has gone into the sign of Capricorn so there should be a leveling out of the stock market, she said. (“UH-HUH”) She also mentioned, as the fifth most important event, the fact that there was a woman in the space shuttle Discovery. Of course, there was some very momentous deaths last year including Rabin, Rogers, Mantle and Salk. Ginger Rogers. (“AND UM”) Before she spoke, there was a cosmic chant which I did not participate in. It seemed like everyone in the room was chanting:
Vastness, Vastness, Vastness
Vastness in my Mind
Vastness in my Heart
Vastness in my Soul
Q: I’m sorry. I just don’t see any meaning there unless they’re talking about the emptiness that they feel because there’s just no meaning there. I mean sure I (“MM”) really (“AA”) like lots of the metaphysical topics and I can see all kinds of important connections. (“BUT I”) That doesn’t mean I just embrace everything. I certainly did not chant when they were chanting this idiotic chant. Anyway, there’s a lot of empty spaces between some people’s ears — or spiritual emptiness that needs to be filled with my book. So, anyway, let me look at my notes. I’m just doing this off-the-cuff. I haven’t really thought much about what Karma Welch spoke about. (“AA”) Actually, you should probably obtain this hour cassette from the Society because it just fulfills every connection and prophecy related to me that you can imagine. Basically, this year the world is entering into the mystical vibration of the number seven. (“AND UM” “AND”) I’ll just read from my notes. (“BUT I”) It’s hard to write notes as she’s speaking. I don’t know shorthand so I’m basically a speed writer. The number seven: unknown power, research, observation, detection, meditation, perfection, solitude — (“NO”) the world at large will be doing. (“NGG” “UM”) It’s the number of introspection. (“NNN”) The world will be interested in what has been done; (“NNN” “WHERE”) where we have been — (“NNN”) like that short story by, um, (“MMM”) Joyce Carol Oates: “Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been?”; (“NNN”) that was a good short story (“YEAH”) — thinking through it, leaving no stone unturned. The following year will be an eight vibration year. We’re presenting the grand plan and grand organization. Seven basically signifies soul, a foundation (“O[F]”) of material things. It makes holy the facts of mankind’s existence and processes of analyzing, varied detection, discovering the finer qualities of everything. Seven represents and questions all surface value and asks at all times the reason why, discoveries beyond the average mind, having to do with dreams. Without a dream there is never a reality (“YYY”) — linked with energy that has to do with the unknown, often hidden facts become obvious facts as we work with this energy. Well, my book is definitely about energy sources. (“UM”) She said there’d be “a lot of new discoveries in 1996 period.” (“UM”) She mentioned the divine plan and someone up there pulling our strings, which I thought was ironic. She talked about Leo briefly. At one point, she mentioned it’s the strongest sign because the sun is the ruler of Leo. (“AND UM”) She talked about personal years but I didn’t quite follow it. She said something about adding (“THE DAY OF THE”) the day you were born to the month of birth. I’ll have to ask her about that. (“UM” “SHE SAID THE”) The personal years are one of the greatest proofs of (“NUMER”) numerology. (“AND UM”) The planet Pluto has now entered the sign of Sagittarius. It did so on November 20th and it will be there until November 27th of the year 2008. She did say that Leos want to please and (“DDD”) that they care what people think about them. (“UM”) Whereas, for example, Scorpios don’t let others dilute their energy. She said (“UM” “A KEY”) the key word is transformation. Pluto gets rid of the old. (“DDD”) It’s the planet of death, regeneration, rebirth. It has to do with man’s fate, unusual occurrences and life and death matters. We just went through Pluto in Scorpio for fourteen years so it was fitting, as she explained it, that mankind learned a lot about sex during that time. (“PENNY”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: WHEN I HEARD THIS SPIRIT MESSAGE I WAS REMINDED OF A CLIENT WHEN I WAS WORKING AS A TALENT AGENT: PENNY SINGLETON.)
Q: So now that the Pluto is entering Sagittarius, she said that the O. J. trial was “a prelude to what is to take place . . . I’m trying to think of ways that information will change us.” She wondered if maybe it would be through the Internet. (“TTT” “THAT”) Maybe the Internet would take us to a super world beyond our regular world. (“DDD” “BUT UM” “I THINK THAT”) That’s my book. (“KKK”) And I don’t think — (“KKK” “I THINK THAT” “MORE”) most of what you get on The Internet is not even worth getting. If you know what I mean. You don’t even know where that information is coming from and who the people are you’re interacting with half the time. Next week, she said that Uranus will be in Aquarius on January 12th. And she talked about (“WHICH IS” [OR] “WITCHES”) freedom, independence, emphasis. (“UM” “SHE”) She told a story about a friend who wanted to find out (“TTT”) about the unexpected. So apparently he tossed the I-Ching and he received the exact message ‘the unexpected.’ So (“OOO”) God isn’t sharing (“WHAT HE’S”) what is going to happen. Not yet, anyway. And that’s one thing that I have been wondering about because it is sort of agonizing, working on this book and not knowing if I’m doing it fast enough or good enough. (“GHH”) I have to keep reminding myself that God is in the driver’s seat and I’m just the passenger and to stop feeling so much pressure. But, of course, you can understand why I feel so much pressure. I mean how would you feel if you had this momentous task to do and most people that you even mention about it in even the vaguest way think you’re absolutely out of your mind. (“SO UM”) God can do anything. So it will be (“INTERESTING”) interesting to see what He does. I’ll just say some interesting things she (Karma Welch) said. Bind together in brotherly love. (“VVV”) We need to get rid of fears. Put aside (“DDD”) thoughts of ‘my’ race, ‘my’ religion, ‘my’ country and love the world. All men are created equal. We all started out as a spark of God. (“DDD” “AND”) The choices we made somehow have led us to where we are. There should be more caring. Love everybody in a more universal way. We’re coming into the New Age. Church comes from a Latin word ‘religio,’ I think she said — which means to bind together. (“AND UM” “SHE THINKS”) She said that there wouldn’t be any poverty, people starving or needy people in the world if churches did what they’re supposed to do and what they were designed to do. So that’s something I hope the churches begin doing after my book comes out. (“TTT”)