JOURNAL / REPORTING — TAPE #354, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell Bell
A: Art Bell (portion of radio broadcast)
W: Whitley Strieber (portion of radio broadcast)
V: KOGO spot announcer
C: unidentified commercial spokesperson
S: Scott Hayden (portion of radio broadcast)
R: Rick Roberts (promotional sound bytes during radio broadcast)
L: Linda Moulton Howe (portion of radio broadcast)
J: John Carlin, National Archivist (portion of radio broadcast)
B: Bernyce Barlow (portion of radio broadcast)
W: If that’s what you want. And also to get control of it or to get out of it if that’s what you want.
A: To get out of it. Yeah, I hear more people wanting to get out of it but inevitably when we do these programs I get a lot of calls from people: “I want to have it. I want to have an experience.” And I’ve never been able to cosy up to that idea, myself, but there are a lot of people who apparently want it, aren’t afraid of it.
W: Well I’ve always thought, “I know a lot of people who’d be willing to trade.” If only we could figure out how to do that.
A: Alright. Well we are at the end of the program, Whitley. It has been a particularly good one and I’m going to see to it that it gets rerun on the weekend as well.
W: Great. (“SO”)
A: My friend, once again thank you. There’s a lot going on in this wide world and you and I will get back together again and talk about it soon.
W: It’s always great, Art.
A: Whitley, take care.
W: You too.
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Q: So my immediate response to this series of interviews is I don’t think I would want some doctor taking something out of me that they didn’t know why it was there or what it was. I mean if it was something relating to the government trying to get aboard a UFO: “Take it out.” But we don’t really know for sure, do we? I mean that one account that Whitley described with the tires on gravel sounded more like an intelligence covert operation-type event. But then he talked about the electromagnetic sensations so there’s a lot of confusion here. The November 23rd “Dreamland” show offered an interesting epilogue with Linda Moulton Howe’s report.
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L: Associated Press reported naval records destroyed. Rear Adm. Paul G. Gaffney II, chief of Naval Research, recently wrote to the National Archivist John Carlin protesting the destruction of 4,200 scientific notebooks and 600 boxes of correspondence and technical memos from the 1930s to the 1980s. Friday, I obtained a copy of the admiral’s entire two-page letter to archivist John Carlin which begins, “The historical record of our nation’s scientific and technological heritage has suffered a serious and irreparable loss. The Washington National Record Center in Suitland, Maryland recently destroyed historical materials that chronicle some of the most significant technical achievements in the 20th Century. These records describe Naval Research laboratory accomplishments in virtually all the physical and natural sciences from the 1930s to the mid-1980s. The destroyed records include the laboratory notebooks and official correspondence of American pioneers in high-frequency radio, the work of the pioneers of American radar and the war records of the application of these technologies in the campaigns against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.”
A: How could we even consider destroying these?
L: Well this is a huge question and I asked it an upcoming interview and I’ll just continue on quoting from Admiral Gaffney’s letter to the archivist. “Documentation of the pathbreaking acoustic and oceanographic research, including the records of early American sonar; the records of NRL’s protective chemistry research and testing program during World War II; materials that trace the early history of the American space program with V-2 and Viking rockets; the records of Vanguard, the first U.S. satellite program; the scientific records of early rocket-based astronomical research; and much more. The destruction of these permanently valuable records which constitute the core of NRL’s corporate memory—adjuvants constitute the core of NRL’s corporate memory together with an additional 2,000 cubic feet of temporary records—took place without the knowledge and consent of the laboratory.” I called Admiral Gaffney’s office for comment but his staff said his letter would have to suffice in place of direct comment. But John Carlin, the archivist of the United States responsible for fifteen regional centers of government records did talk with me and insisted the navy was notified that the documents were on a scheduled cycle of shredding.
L: (recorded interview) It would seem to me that these would all be extremely vital historic records that should never be destroyed.
J: (recorded interview) On the face of it, I would agree with you totally. All I’m saying is that whatever records were actually disposed of — and I’m not saying these were or were not — I’m just simply saying it was based on a schedule that — it was signed of (“ON”) by the navy that’s provided by law at a certain point this would take place. And all I’m saying to you is the admiral and I’ve agreed that we need to carefully look into this and instead of allowing this to turn into (“NO”) one agency against another that we resolve what we can learn from this and (“WE NEED”) (if) we need to make changes we’ll make changes.
L: Can you say somebody had passed off on having 4,200 scientific notebooks and 600 boxes of correspondence and technical memos be destroyed? Who would pass off on doing it?
J: Well the navy did.
L: Who though? Who specifically? (“I” “NO”)
J: I mean if you want to find out who, you’ll have to go back, you know, a decade or so in terms of when the schedule was developed. I mean the main point is whatever’s been done has been done as result of a schedule that by law authorizes the archivist to dispose of these records on a schedule agreed to, that was public — published appropriately and so forth. I want it reviewed. I don’t like what I hear either. I made it clear to the admiral, you know, there might be something seriously wrong here. We send notices. We don’t dispose of anything without sending a notice. The navy was notified ninety days regardless how old the schedule is. There’s always an automatic notice and they said nothing.
L: But somebody must’ve known what they were.
J: Well, yeah, if they — and, you know, we have relatively speaking a very small staff so we’re heavily dependent upon what the agencies do. I mean they — no (or “NO”) —
L: But somebody in the navy with knowledge about these records may have just arbitrarily and unilaterally decided that maybe they contained sensitive materials and certain . . .
J: No, I don’t think — as far as I know, that was not the case. I think if the error — whatever error there may be on that side I think it was — I — an error made in a record that had a level where they — it just — they made a mistake. (“AN THEY”) They just didn’t recognize — if in fact what is said in this letter is . . .
L: Or somebody intentionally wanted sensitive material to just go into a shredder so that history would never know.
J: Well (“NO”) I don’t think that’s the case.
L: And another question. The Freedom of Information Act, also one of the laws of the land, is you’re supposed to make historic records available to American citizens. It would seem that the destruction of historic records would be working at cross purposes to having access to historic records.
J: Well obviously we have no intention of being involved with destroying valuable historic records.
L: But you’re at a disadvantage because you’re at the mercy of decisions being made and all the military intelligence and other —
J: To a considerable extent, yeah.
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A: How many of you out there bought what you just heard?
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L: So Art I don’t think that John Carlin at the National Archives is the problem. I think this story is pointing at the National Research Laboratory. The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing and that there is a possibility that if there is that kind of — left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, somebody may have done this deliberately and that is what bothers me a lot.
A: Well that’s where I was going too.
L: Yeah. And I think Mr. Carlin, after spending an hour with him on the phone — I think he is as frustrated about this situation as I am hearing about the destruction of these records and the admiral is apparently very upset but somebody signed off on this and let’s continue the rest of this very interesting interview.
A: Alright. Here we go.
J: (recorded interview) Because we are undermanned and do not have the resources to be working in the comprehensive way that we should and my biggest concern, quite frankly if you want to know it, is that this case, regardless as it turns out, incredible that it might be, is small compared to the potential (“OF”) in the era of electronic records and the potential there for loss. And that’s the scariest part of my job right now is to rachet up as rapidly as we can get the support to do so, so that we are working with agencies so systems are developed that are conducive to preservation . . .
L: (recorded interview) Um-huh. And essentially what this is saying, though, is that inside internally all of the different agencies of intelligence and military have made their own internal decisions about what they would even allow to go into archival storage and then are making the determination on what is destroyed. And therefore in many ways they have the — there’s the potential for restructuring even history by deciding what is allowed to survive and what is not.
J: You know, that — the creator of the record has a considerable amount of authority and control under current law. (“UM-HUH”)
J: Now I would say that’s balanced by the fact that if I have knowledge that records are not being kept or inappropriate action is being taken, I have by law the authority to go to the special department of the Attorney General and to the congress and raise concern. That’s why the admiral and I are, you know, we’re responsible and really checking into it. I mean there are a lot of questions here that deserve answers. We handle millions of situations over a year and this is a very unfortunate one, very unfortunate but it is not routine. I’ve got good people doing a good job and in most cases the system works. But if we’ve got a flaw here, we’re going to change (it).
L: So the destruction of these particular historic records is in your own estimation is unique.
J: Well if in — oh well yeah. I don’t know of another example. I asked my folks here. I mean, y(ou kn)ow, as if . . . things like this don’t happen. We tend to be as a government on the side of keeping things for the reasons I have such a budget problem. So this is a rare, rare incident.
L: Which also raises the question that has to be asked. Did somebody very calculatedly, knowing the bureaucratic system of storage of records and destruction of records, calculate that these particular documents would end up being shredded?
J: I don’t know. I mean you know.
L: It’s possible.
K: I don’t — I can’t say that it’s not. (“HI”)
A: That makes my blood boil.
L: Well it’s really something and I also talked with his assistant, Mr. Carlin’s assistant, Mike Miller, who is going to be working on trying to find out exactly what happened. I said, “Do you know — a pattern here is beginning to emerge that even Congressman Schiff in New Mexico found that when he was trying to research what had happened at Roswell and he had the government accounting office working with him, they found that the very records for the Roswell Army/Air Force Base that they wanted for 1947 —
L: — had all been destroyed. And, remember, Schiff held the press conference because he was absolutely — he was incredulous that this had all been destroyed and without authorization and that was the key phrase. Without authorization.
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A: . . . and if that doesn’t get your blood boiling, I don’t know what would. Good Lord, are we simply in the business of revisionist history and when anything that might challenge that like the facts come along, we shred them?
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Q: So Art’s guest for this (“Dreamland”) show (11-23-97) is Bernyce Barlow, author of a book about sacred sites of the West.
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A: The scientists themselves are able to measure areas of magnetic anomaly.
B: You bet.
A: And are these areas able to be correlated? In other words, the areas that you and others believe to be sacred — do these same areas then show magnetic anomalies? Is there any correlation between them?
A: Oh there is?
B: Absolutely. You’ll find that most of the sacred sites that we are aware of—and there’s probably many that we aren’t aware of—were placed and built — the structures like the pyramids of Egypt, that you just came back from, as well as the different pueblos in the Southwest. These just weren’t built at random. . . .They were built correlating to the Earth’s physics.
A: Well referring to the pyramids for a second, I can tell you several things. One: there’s nothing accidental at all about the pyramids. Everything is specifically, mathematically precise.
B: That’s right.
A: Now I can tell you that there are a lot of myths associated with the pyramids. For example, it was thought they were burial areas for pharaohs. That’s baloney. Not one dead pharaoh of any condition has ever been found in the pyramids. The pyramids had a as-yet-undiscernible purpose but definitely not a place to bury people. It was a place to go for a specific reason.
B: That’s absolutely true. And I — (laughs) our dear friend Boris Said will agree with you on that.
A: You bet.
B: The harmonics of the pyramids of Egypt as well as sacred sites that we have here and all over the United States—globally, actually—(will just open it up?) to the human family. These sites were built in places that have specific harmonics and the vibrations of the ground — if you will, the heartbeat, the hertz rate of the Earth at these sites is measurable. . . .
A: How — now there is a Shulman Resonance Frequency and I presume that is generally what you are referring to.
B: Yeah. Between three and fourteen hertz is what most of the sacred sites are running at. Specifically, running around 8.2 although the harmonics of our Earth is changing as we get closer to the polar shift. And what used to be the base harmonics for the Earth back in the early ’80s is no longer. We’re actually running closer to nine and ten now than we are the 7.8 which in the ’80s which was the magnetics of the Earth. And as the magnetic field decreases, which we’re seeing right now — we see the slowing of the rotation of the Earth. And we were losing the magnetic field about five to eight percent every hundred years but now we are losing it a lot more quickly, if you will. And the faster that we lose our magnetic field, of course, the more the magnetism of the Earth drops, bringing us closer to a pole shift. And the sacred sites that we talk about such as Giza, such as Jerusalem, such as Chimayo, New Mexico — the Lourdes of America out here in New Mexico. We also find that the magnetics of these places are dropping quickly and the hertz rate of the places are rising. And the combination of these two, of course, is forewarning of something that is very normal for the Earth but not necessarily normal for our lifetime.
A: Well this all gives me the heebie-jeebies, Bernyce. I’ve been getting the same information from a string of guests lately. And I would ask you where — (“IN OTHER WORDS”), how do you have knowledge that the Earth’s magnetic field is lessoning? How do you have knowledge that the Shulman Frequency has been rising or the resonant frequency of the Earth has been rising? And how do you have knowledge that at the specific sites we’re talking about, it’s a magnified effect? How do you know this?
B: Well let’s just get right down to the science and the larger organizations that we know monitor the Earth’s energies like the Geo Monitor Organization.
B: Okay. Their latest report is if — (spirit laughter?) how low are the Earth’s magnetics (“LOW”) — we put it on a scale of one to ten, (o)kay? With ten being the highest?
B: We are about 1 to 1.5 right now. And when we hit the lowest —
A: Excuse me. I really — I had a guest on who said exactly what you’ve just said recently.
B: I — good. (or “I” “GOOD”) (laughs)
A: And who — and what organization gave you these figures please?
B: The Geo Monitor Organization. They do a lot of monitoring of the Earth’s energies just as a whole all around the Earth.
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B: There are a lot of other organizations out there also that you can match your information with. And we’ll get some of those numbers to you as well. Personally, I love the supercomputer people over in Wialea.
A: That’ll be fine.
B: Yeah. And there’s also a group that’s out of England that is doing some real close research and has been since the early ’80s. And, you know, it’s not that difficult to really see the changes — the Earth changes just for yourself. There are certain types of equipment that isn’t too expensive that you can take out to a site and actually monitor that site. And check out the — maybe not the exact statistics but definitely can measure the magnetism . . .
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A: I could understand, for example, if you were to go to an area where there was volcanic action, there would be no question about it. There’s magma moving under the Earth. There would be magnetic disturbance that would be observable, measurable. But if you go to an area that is simply —
A: Yeah, alright. Flat. (“OR”) Or you know — not a known volcanic activity area and you can still measure a difference then you validate these vortexes indeed. Now what kind of instrument, for example, could you take to Sedona, Arizona and observe a difference?
B: You could take sonar equipment. No (or “NO”), zoology departments that go out and look for bat colonies. That’s a very good example of a type of equipment that you could use. And the sonar equipment is going to pick up certain frequencies — Earth frequencies. And, of course, the Earth doesn’t always run at the same frequency. There are times of the year and times of the day and times of the month when those frequencies are dramatically different than other times. But they can be picked with sonar equipment quite easily . . .