THERAPY SESSION / INTERVIEW — TAPE #18, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell Bell
P: therapist
C: Christine La Monte (friend)
P: I was wondering if you ever checked out something called the Philosophical Research society.
Q: No.
P: It’s in Los Feliz.
Q: Oh God, that’s right near where I live.
P: I know. That’s what I was thinking. It’s this wonderful place. They have Sunday services and they have channelers and they have spiritually enlightened people from all over come and speak there on Sunday.
Q: I’ve driven by there and I’ve always wondered, “What is that place?”
P: I think you’d really enjoy it because there are a lot of metaphysical thinkers there.
Q: I’ve also driven by — what’s that big place on Sunset? Dianetics?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I COULDN’T REMEMBER THE WORD ‘SCIENTOLOGY.’)
P: Keep driving.
Q: I know. (small laugh)
P: Keep driving past that one but go to the Philosophical Research Society.
Q: I will. So then, in chapter seven of Love’s Awakening—”Faith”—the Spirit channels the message: “KNOW IN YOUR HEARTS THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR — THAT I, THE CREATOR, AM ALWAYS WITH YOU. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I AM YOU, AND YOU ARE ME . . . HOWEVER, LET ME REASSURE YOU THAT THE WORLD YOU SO DESPERATELY FIGHT TO CLING TO — A WORLD OF POVERTY, HATRED, AND WAR — IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR IN A TWINKLING OF MY EYE. . . . THIS IS THE BIRTH OF A NEW WORLD, A WORLD THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED, BUT COULD NEVER BE PREVENTED. KNOW THAT ALL OF THIS IS COMING TO PASS AS HAS BEEN PROPHESIED. . . . REMEMBER THAT EACH OF YOU HAS OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL PLAN FOR SALVATION MAPPED OUT FOR YOU AND THAT YOU ARE ALL LOVED AND GUIDED EQUALLY WELL. . . .ATLANTIS AND LEMURIA NEVER EXISTED ON A PHYSICAL PLANE. . . . PREDICTIONS OF ATLANTIS RISING IN THE WEST REFER TO THE RE-EMERGING OF A LONG-SUBMERGED ASPECT OF OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS. ATLANTIS AND LEMURIA EXIST ONLY IN THE ASTRAL PLANE, THE PLANE OF EMOTIONS SUCH AS ANGER AND HATRED AND OF MILLIONS OF IMAGINARY THOUGHT FORMS SUCH AS FAIRIES AND DEMONS AND ALL CREATURES THE MIND CAN DEVISE. . . . SPIRIT AS CONSCIOUSNESS DECIDES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE UNFOLDING OF THE MIRACLE ON THE PLANET BY WORKING THROUGH SO MUCH KARMA.” Do you believe in karma? Yeah, okay. “THE KARMA IS THE MANIFESTATION OF EGO PATTERNS WHICH HAVE CONCRETE THOUGHTS UPON THE PLANET.” I never really knew what it meant so this explained it for me. “SPIRIT BECAME IDENTIFIED WITH ANIMAL INSTINCTS AND A VERY LOW LEVEL OF AWARENESS. THIS RESULTED IN PATTERNS OF THOUGHTS WHICH ALL INCARNATE HUMAN BEINGS EXPERIENCE. THESE THOUGHT PATTERNS . . . ARE THE CLOSEST THING TO WHAT CHRISTIANS WOULD CALL A DEVIL THAT WOULD SEEMINGLY EXIST OUTSIDE OF AN INDIVIDUAL’S BODY.” What a relief. There isn’t a real Devil.
P: Exactly. Do you believe that?
Q: I do. With all my heart. “TO GIVE A VERY CONCRETE EXAMPLE FOR CONCRETE MINDS, LET’S SUPPOSE YOU ARE BORN INTO A FAMILY OF CHILD ABUSE. CHILD ABUSE INEVITABLY CAUSES BITTERNESS, ANGER, PERHAPS HATRED, FEAR, AND RESENTMENT. THOSE EMOTIONAL PATTERNS AND THEIR CORRESPONDING THOUGHT FORMS ARE THE KARMA THAT YOU TAKE ON DURING THAT LIFETIME TO REMOVE FROM THE PLANET. . . . IT IS AS THOUGH YOU ARE INDIVIDUAL CELLS IN A LARGER BODY AND YOU WILL BEGIN TO COLLECTIVELY REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE A PART OF SOMETHING LARGER — NOT ONLY THE BRAIN, BUT THE ENTIRE ORGANISM THAT THE BRAIN DIRECTS. THE GOD-MIND IS THE BRAIN; THE UNIVERSE IS MY BODY.” And then it goes into denial, which is one of my big problems. Denial and being judgmental are my two big problems. ” . . . LOVE IS COMPASSIONATE AND UNDERSTANDING . . . LOVE IS A TWO-EDGED SWORD. AND LOVE ALSO ENCOMPASSES DISCRIMINATION, JUSTICE, EQUANIMITY, AND BALANCE. . . . THE HUMAN RACE HAS TO BE WEEDED.” Well, this gets to be a little scary. “THE DYING, UNNATURAL, WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL EVIL OR EGO PROCESSES HAVE TO BE NIPPED. THE GARDEN MUST BE WEEDED. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE DISPASSIONATE ENOUGH TO GET RID OF WHAT DOES NOT FUNCTION, THAT WHICH IS NOT (“OOOH”) CONDUCIVE TO THE PROGRESS OF THE WHOLE. YES, IT MAY SEEM LIKE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE SACRIFICED BUT ACTUALLY THEY WILL ALSO BE GIVEN THEIR HIGHEST GOOD.” Whatever that means.
P: Umm.
Q: “THE AMAZING THING ABOUT DENIAL IS THAT YOU DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S ANYTHING THERE. . . . SO THE HEALING IS TO SHINE THE TRUTH. . . . TRUTH IS BEING SEEN THROUGHOUT THE LAND AND BEING MANIFESTED AND THE EGO IS GETTING VERY NERVOUS. THE EGO SYSTEM REALIZES THAT WE ARE PLAYING FOR ITS BLOOD. KNOW THAT THE EGO WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU DIE THAN TO HAVE YOU LIVE FREE AGAIN AS CHILDREN OF GOD. THE EGO CREATED DEATH. THERE IS NO DEATH. THERE IS ONLY CHANGE AND TRANSITION.”
P: Um-huh.
Q: “THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH IS A REMOVAL OF DENIAL. . . . JESUS OF NAZARETH DID NOT ASCEND INTO HEAVEN IN THE SENSE OF HEAVEN BEING A PLACE AND ASCENSION BEING A PROCESS DEPENDENT ON TIME, BUT RATHER HE AWAKENED FROM THE DREAM. HE LEFT THE DREAM. HE KNEW IT WAS A DREAM; HE LEFT THE DREAM; HE SHOWED THERE WAS NO DEATH. AND THE EGO-MINDS OF THE TIME THAT HAD THIS PHENOMENON OCCUR RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM MADE UP A FAIRY TALE, A LINEAR STORY IN LINEAR TIME WITH LINEAR EVENTS TO EXPLAIN THE PHENOMENON. . . . ONE OF YOUR OWN KIND MANIFESTS TRUTH FOR YOU . . . AND YOU MAKE UP A FAIRY TALE TO EXPLAIN IT AWAY, SOMETHING TO FIT WITHIN YOUR EGO SCHEMES, YOUR DENIAL SYSTEMS. ‘HE’S A GOD; HE’S OTHER THAN US, AND HE ASCENDED TO THIS PLACE, THIS PHYSICAL PLACE.’ THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE. THERE IS NOWHERE; THERE IS NO SPACE; THERE IS NO TIME. . . . KNOW THAT THERE IS NO TIME AND NO SPACE, THAT THERE IS NO ULTIMATE REALITY. KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ONE IS A STEPPING STONE TO REALIZING THAT THERE’S NO TIME AND NO SPACE AND NO DIFFERENCE IN THE MOVIES, THAT IT IS A MOVIE. IN REALIZING YOU ARE ONE, YOU CAN MAKE MENTAL CONSTRUCTS ABOUT BEING ONE WITH THE PLANET, WHICH IS SPACE AND TIME, ONE WITH OTHER BEINGS DURING THIS LIFETIME, WHICH IS SPACE AND TIME. . . .THE REALITY IS THERE IS NO REALITY. THE DREAM THAT YOU EARTH CHILDREN HAVE CREATED HAS BEEN SUCH A HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE AND YOU HAVE BEEN SCREAMING AT ME, YOURSELF, FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO HELP YOU OUT OF IT. YOU ARE STUCK IN TIME AND WHAT’S KEEPING YOU GLUED TO TIME IS DENIAL. DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL!” Like “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!” in “The Brady Bunch Movie.”
P: (small laugh)
Q: IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE YOU DIE, IF YOU DENY THAT YOU’RE EXTERNAL, THE CREATIVE FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO BACK YOU UP FOR AWHILE. ON ONE LEVEL YOU EXIST WITHIN THE MIND OF GOD; AND AS THE MIND OF GOD YOU CAN CREATE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, EXCEPT THAT I AM NO LONGER GOING TO ALLOW MY CHILDREN TO TORTURE THEMSELVES. . . . REMEMBER, YOUR EGO KNOWS EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER DONE. IT SITS READY TO CONDEMN YOU, HOLDING A LIST OF ALL YOUR SUPPOSED SINS. OFTEN THE THINGS ON THIS LIST ARE WHAT ANGER YOU MOST WHEN YOU SEE THEM IN OTHERS. IF YOU JUDGE SOMEONE ELSE AS GUILTY YOUR EGO WILL FIND YOU TEN TIMES GUILTIER. AND GUILT DEMANDS PUNISHMENT. YOU PROJECT THIS GUILT OUT ONTO THE WORLD AND PICK SCAPEGOATS WHO ARE PLAYING OUT YOUR SCENARIO. WHAT YOU CAN TOLERATE ABOUT OTHERS WILL SHOW YOUR OWN LEVEL OF FORGIVENESS.” That’s sort of what happened to me when I got overwhelmed and began having my break with reality — whatever you want to call it.
P: Um-huh. What happened?
Q: Well, I felt that God had always been with me and realized that He knew my every thought and action. So I had to deal with that.
P: And it overwhelmed you?
Q: That was one of the things. That was just one of the first things. “REMEMBER THAT SPIRIT IS INFINITELY CREATIVE AND CAN OUTCREATE ANYTHING THE EGO HAS DEVISED IN ITS OWN DEFENSE. THE EGO USES PLOYS SUCH AS GUILT, ANGER, AND DENIAL BUT IF YOU TURN IT OVER TO GOD YOU WILL ATTRACT THE EXACT COUNTERPLOY TO HEAL YOURSELF. NOTHING IS TOO BIG FOR SPIRIT TO UNDO. NO MATTER HOW LOST, ALONE OR DESPAIRING YOU FEEL, ASK AND SPIRIT WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE. . . . EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE WITH ANOTHER PERSON EXISTS FOR A SPIRITUAL REASON AND PURPOSE, NO MATTER WHAT THE EXTERNAL CONFIGURATION OF THE EXPERIENCE IS. WHETHER IT LOOKS LIKE A BUSINESS EXPERIENCE OR A LOVERS’ INTERACTION IT IS ALL A SPIRITUAL GIVE AND TAKE, A GAME, AND AS FOR SUPERB ATHLETES, TIMING AND COURAGE AND FOLLOW-THROUGH ARE IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTICS. . . . ANYTHING YOU DO TO FEEL SECURE IS EGO. . . . WE ARE DANCING ON THE EDGE OF CHAOS. . . .THE TRUTH IS REALITY IS ALWAYS CHANGING AND IF YOU HOLD ON TO ONE THING YOU’RE NOT STAYING WITH THE FLOW OF GOD. . . . YOU ALL HAVE ON LAYERS OF EGO BUT THE LAYERS ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH PERSON. . . . IF YOU USE MONEY TO FEEL SAFE, SPIRIT WILL SET UP SITUATIONS SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU. . . . YOU WERE CREATED TO LIVE TOTALLY IN THE PRESENT WITH NO WORRIES, KNOWING THAT GOD WILL PROVIDE FOR YOU. GOD DOES PROVIDE AND SPIRIT WILL USE WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO GET YOU TO LET GO OF WHATEVER THINGS YOU THINK ARE PROVIDING FOR YOU AND GIVING YOU SECURITY — MAN, WOMAN, PARENT, BANK ACCOUNT, TEACHER, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. . . . PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER BUY INTO INTELLECTUAL EGO GET LOST IN SPIRITUAL EGO. . . . THEY HAVE FORMED A CLOSED LITTLE UNIVERSE AND ARE USING NEW AGE THOUGHT, CHRISTIANITY, BUDDHISM, HINDUISM AND OTHER RELIGIONS TO KEEP THEMSELVES LOCKED INSIDE THERE. NEVER GET —” Do you agree with that too?
P: Um-huh. That’s a good point. (“YEAH”)
Q: “— DEPENDENT ON ANYTHING OUTSIDE YOUR HIGHER SELF, SPIRIT. . . . EGO IS ANYTHING YOU DO TO FEEL SAFE ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE OTHER THAN YOUR NATURAL FEELING OF BEING SAFE WHICH COMES FROM YOUR CONNECTION WITH THE UNIVERSE. . . . THE CONSCIOUSNESS PATH IS INDIVIDUAL AND EVERYONE GETS HER OWN LESSONS. THEY —”
P: Her?
Q: I guess the author is a her — channeling He/She/We/Us/Whatever. “— AREN’T THE SAME FOR ANY TWO PEOPLE. SO IT IS NOT TRUE TO SAY THAT YOU WILL FIND GOD BY —” This is really funny. This applies to me. “— FASTING, POVERTY AND CELIBACY. YOU MIGHT NEED TO LEARN INTIMACY.”
P: Ooohh.
Q: “MAYBE YOUR CHILDHOOD HAD NO INTIMACY OF ANY KIND —”
P: Yeah.
Q: “— AND YOU ARE TERRIFIED OF IT. FOR YOU CELIBACY IS EGO; YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH IS TO LEARN TO FORM AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP THAT WILL UNDO EGO. YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH INVOLVES INTIMACY AND SEX.” So, hopefully, later when I listen to this tape I’ll be able to hear Michael’s voice saying here, ‘You can get laid. You won’t be cheating on Me.’
P: And that’s your concern?
Q: That’s one of my concerns.
P: You’d be cheating on him?
Q: Well, you know.
P: No, I don’t.
Q: Some of those messages were sort of erotic.
P: Alright, let’s slow down, might we?
Q: Okay.
P: Don’t go on. (small laugh)
Q: Okay. On one of the Oklahoma tapes a spirit voice said, “YOUUUUUU. MEEEEEE. OHHHHHH.” And it was the low-pitched whispery voice that was saying that.
P: Mm — mm — mm.
Q: Exactly.
P. Let that go.
Q: I do. That’s what I’m saying. That’s why I think that one of the entities is evil and I’ve sort of figured out that it’s this low-pitched whispery voice. Also, when I was speaking to Fiona about her psychic ability she was telling me that I should learn how to be a channel and the same voice could be heard on the tape saying “YES.” It was really creepy, eerie. My reaction was, “No thank you.”
P: No.
Q: “I’ll just listen to my own intuition.”
P: Exactly.
Q: Even though I did get a book to read just to see what it entailed. You don’t think I should read it?
P: No. (“OKAY”) I don’t think you should go that route, knowing you have to be very, very grounded to be a channeler. If you’re not grounded, it can throw you off.
Q: Well, maybe if one of the sweeter voices says it, I’ll consider it. But not right now.
P: No. No.
Q: Okay. “YOU HAVE TO DANCE THE TIGHTROPE AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO DO WHATEVER SPIRIT ASKS. . . . STAY ON YOUR FEET AND DON’T TAKE YOURSELF SO SERIOUSLY; REALIZE THAT IT’S A GAME. IT IS GOD PLAYING WITH GODSELF. . . . THE EGO WORLD, THE LOGICAL, RATIONAL, MALE ENERGY WORLD FORMED AS A REACTION TO INTUITIVE, FEMALE ENERGY CHAOS. . . . SHIVA DANCES IN THE VOID WITH SHAKTI, LIFE ENERGY, BRINGING FORTH CULTURE, THOUGHT AND FORM. . . . IN EACH PERSON’S LIFE THERE COMES A POINT WHEN THERE IS A CALL TO SURRENDER TO A HIGHER POWER, TO GOD. . . . ‘I SURRENDER MY LIFE AND WILL TO GOD'” is “A VERY SIMPLE AND POWERFUL WAY TO SURRENDER . . . AS A MANTRA OR AFFIRMATION.” (“YES”) I started doing that. “THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE HUMAN RACE RETURNS TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE AS THE CHRIST.” Well, this is an interesting part. It’s a little long but I’ll read it real quick. “BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS. I CREATED YOU. I AM WITH YOU UNTIL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. MY TIME IS AT HAND. THIS IS THE PASSAGE INTO LIGHT, INTO TRUTH. NO DARKNESS WILL LIE HIDDEN. OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE; OPEN YOUR EARS AND HEAR. MY SONG IS BEING SUNG THROUGHOUT THE LAND. MY VOICE, STRONG AND POWERFUL, IS PERMEATING THE THOUGHT-PLANE OF THE PLANET. IT IS TIME FOR YOU, MY LITTLE WILLFUL CHILDREN, TO RETURN TO ME, TO COME INTO MY ARMS, HOME SAFE AND SOUND, TO FORGET THE NIGHTMARE OF HELL YOU HAVE CREATED ON YOUR LITTLE EARTH.” (“RIGHT”) He can be a bastard.
P: Who’s He? (“US”)
Q: You know, Michael or God or Whatever. I mean, I see that term as being an endearing one because I don’t think He knows where He came from either. You know? “I GAVE YOU LOTS OF ROPE WITH WHICH TO HANG YOURSELF.” That’s true. “I KNEW THAT THE TEMPTATION OF SELF-WILL WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE UNTIL YOU EXPERIENCED AND CHRONICLED THE HORROR OF IT. I REALIZE THAT IT IS DIFFICULT FOR MOST OF YOU TO IMAGINE A WORLD, A UNIVERSE FULL OF PEACE AND HAPPINESS AND JOY. THERE WILL BE —”
P: That part about “self-will” and chronicling “the horror of it” is an interesting point. Can you relate to that?
Q: I think we all can relate to that.
P: Yeah.
Q: (small laugh)
P: Definitely.
Q: Especially Stephen King, (small laugh) Anne Rice and people like that.
P: Why them?
Q: Well, I mean the dark side people.
P: Oh. Okay.
Q: I mean if I had written those things before I had my experience I don’t know what I would be doing now.
P: Why?
Q: Because you have to deal with everything. It was bad enough I had to deal with the experiences introduced by having seen all those horror movies over the years. (“YEAH”) There were even parts of Steven Spielberg’s films I now find upsetting. Like the scene in “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” where the heart is ripped out of a man’s chest — which is sort of like what Michael did with the Aztecs. My personal favorite of his movies—and I think he’s a great director; I’d love him to do “Wonder of the World”—is “The Sugarland Express.” I think the heart went out of his movies around the time he made “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.” You can’t argue that his films don’t have good messages but I think some of them he just made in an attempt to win Academy Awards.
P: Mmm.
Q: I thought “Schindler’s List” was okay but I personally liked “The Piano” more.
P: I loved that movie — “The Piano.”
Q: I liked that film so much more than “Schindler’s List” but he’s a great director. I usually go see his films. Where was I? “THERE WILL BE STRUGGLE ON A LOWER LEVEL; STRUGGLE IS ALWAYS A LOWER VIBRATION. BUT MY MAN-BEING, MY HUMAN CHILD IS EVOLVED TO THE POINT TO LET GO OF THE NEED FOR STRUGGLE. STRUGGLE WILL STILL OCCUR ON NEW PLANETS IN NEW LIFE-FORMS. THE EGO PHASE OF ANIMALISTIC INSTINCT IS JUST A TRANSITION: SELF-WILL VERSUS MY LARGER WILL, A DEVELOPMENTAL PHASE OF AUTONOMY. IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT AND SEEMS LONG IN YOUR EYES AND THAT PERIOD IS NOW ENDING. YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PHASE OF SELF-REALIZATION AS MANIFESTATIONS OF GOD THE CREATOR. NEXT WILL COME CONSTRUCTIVE CREATING THROUGHOUT THE COSMOS.” Anyway, I mean you get the picture. What do you think? Is it craziness or —
P: I don’t think so at all. I think what she says has a lot of truth. Is that how you feel?
Q Yeah.
P: Yeah. Except for that one part about weeding out — (“YEAH”)
Q: Well, I don’t know what level of reality that pertains to. It also says not to judge people and that no one can really judge even murderers. Only God can judge. (“YOU KNOW”) He probably even works through people to do some of these things to test other people. I mean — you know. But I do think that people who commit murder have an opportunity to find redemption by serving their time in prison as opposed to getting away with it.
P: So does this help you in terms of finding strength for yourself?
Q: Well, it helps me to focus. It put into words some of the things that I had been feeling due to my experiences. The phenomena continues to occur. Like I was at the car wash yesterday and a penny dropped down from the sky, which is unusual. Usually, I just see one on the ground. I was at the car wash and it’s like Michael was telling me (“THIS”) the best thing I did all week was wash my car instead of thinking too much about Him or doing the things you’ve been telling me not to do — which I’ve been trying not to do.
P: Are you succeeding?
Q: Somewhat. I didn’t really do that one project about the differences between Michael and my brother because I’m still meditating on that.
P: Please do it, though.
Q: Oh, I will.
P: This identical twin identity that you have I think is really important to look at on a spiritual level. I don’t know if you’ve seen this article from The New Yorker on twins. (“YEAH”) Feel free to read it.
Q: Can I borrow this and bring it back?
P: You can borrow it and make yourself a copy if you want. It’s really interesting because it just underlines the phenomenal link we have on this little planet more so than you ever would realize. And it tells stories about twins that were raised apart (“RIGHT”) who have identical habits.
Q: Well, some people think that’s really weird. When I met my brother’s assistant for the first time, she said, “Oh, you’re not what I expected. I expected cloning.” Someone else who was there at the time agreed: “Yeah, cloning,” It was funny. People have these weird ideas about twins.
P: Do you know if you’re identical or fraternal?
Q: We looked identical when we were small but there was no genetic test done. I would think so. (“BUT”) I don’t know for certain.
P: Because that literally means you came from the same egg.
Q: Of the phenomena I’ve been experiencing, what’s really been interesting, though — does this ever happen to you? When you turn on the radio you keep hearing the same songs over and over again — like some kind of message. Some of the songs I keep hearing are “I’ll Stand By You,” “Time After Time,” “American Pie,” “Can You Feel The Love Tonight?,” “Don’t You Forget About Me.” What else? (“HAVE YOU”) Does that ever happen to you?
P: Not so many of them. Sometimes I hear one that’s repetitive. Maybe twice in the day. Are you looking for messages in these songs?
Q: No, but I just wonder sometimes because some of these aren’t even new songs and I keep hearing them.
P: Well, I think the main message is that you need to have faith. You’re being watched over. And whether it’s Michael or whether it’s God, have faith that there is a being that is helping you and that is by you and it will stand by you no matter —
Q: Exactly.
P: — what happens in your life. And including whatever happens with your brother.
Q: Right.
P: But that’s important for you to know about. And the same being will be with your brother. He is with your brother now.
Q: Oh, I agree. And He’s with his friend James and He’s with my friend Fiona —
P: That’s right.
Q: — and He’s with my friend Marie and he’s with the family in Oklahoma.
P: Right. Exactly.
Q: He’s with you.
P: Yes.
Q: You haven’t found any money recently, have you? (laughs)
P: No. (small laugh)
Q: Oh gosh. I just received a letter today from Silver Screen Partners, one of my investments, so it looks like I’m going to get some money from that investment. (“YOU KNOW”)
P: What is that?
Q: That’s something that one of my financial advisors had put me into. I haven’t figured out how much money I’m going to make yet but it seems to have turned out to be a good investment.
P: Well, good.
Q: So I am being provided for even though I don’t have a job at the moment. They did call me back from Paramount, by the way. Allison finally did. She said, “Well, let me know when you’re ready to go back to work.” I said, “Well, my money hasn’t run out yet.” I don’t think it’s going to. But it’s so funny. I told her I wanted to interview her because she’s had some strange experiences like misplacing her keys and weird fainting spells. So she said, “Okay, well, on the fifteenth.” And I said, “Well, today’s the fifteenth.” And she said, “Oh, next month.” I think she’s avoiding me. Though, I did tell her it was an angel and not a poltergeist. Maybe she’ll change her mind. I have a feeling my book will be done before then. I’d like to get it finished —
P: Oh, really?
Q: — before the special is broadcast because I might get a few calls after that. I did write a letter to Michael Korda at Simon & Schuster because of the Paramount tie-in. I let him know when the show would be on. (“YEAH”) Maybe I’ll get a call. Maybe I’ll get lucky. You never know.
P: I should write down the date again to make sure that I see it.
Q: November 30th. The Thursday after Thanksgiving. Eight o’clock. I feel like I’m shamelessly plugging my project.
P: Are you? Will you be on that?
Q: No. Isn’t that funny? I may be the focus of the phenomena and this whole segment was taped before I even arrived there.
P: Oh.
Q: So it doesn’t seem like I’d have anything to do with the occurrences there. But if He is channeling through me, it would suggest that is a possibility. Did you ever speak again to Barry? I haven’t spoken to him in ages. (“OKAY”) He’s written me off I guess.
P: I don’t know. He was just really concerned about you — that you were totally obsessed; you needed to go on with your life and you were drawing all of these conclusions and parallels that had no bearing on any of them.
Q: He told me that he had a few projects so he’s probably really busy with work or something. Good for him. Good for everybody.
P: Yes, but the message (“NO”) of that channeled book you found and everything is just to know and believe that you’re taken care of.
Q: And I do. I do believe that. I feel fine. I also have this photocopy for you of that authorization faxed to you by CPC Alhambra.
P: Did they give you an idea how long it would take you to get the reference?
Q: They still haven’t even gotten my bill straight over there. Or Blue Cross hasn’t.
P: Well, the records should be a different matter than that.
Q: Well, I would hope so.
P: So what’s the date of this?
Q: I mailed it to them on Friday so they probably have received it by now. Should I call them up and double check or do you want to call them?
P: If you just mailed it on Friday, then they probably received it this week. It could take up to a month for them to send it. But I would be interested in seeing what they did. Have you seen the records yourself?
Q: Just what they gave me over there — like my letter of certification. I mean they certified me.
P: Do you want me to tell you what’s on the records?
Q: Oh yeah. I especially would like to listen to the tapes that they recorded.
P: I’m sure they aren’t going to send any tapes. I’ve never heard of that being done.
Q: They taped my interviews. I saw them do that.
P: Well, I’m sure that they taped you —
Q: Maybe they’ll provide us with transcripts of the interviews.
P: — but I’ve never seen that done before (“UM-UH”) with the records.
Q: Well, I want those tapes. The law says I’m entitled to see them.
P: Yes. My hunch is what they’re going to send me is just what’s in the charts. So you’re going to have to call them. I would call them specifically about the tapes if you want those because I’ve never received tapes.
Q: Fine. I’ll call Leslie. We have a good relationship.
P: Okay, and read the article and see what you think.
Q: Do you want to borrow Love’s Awakening? I have an extra one.
P: Oh, alright. If you’re sure you have an extra one. Are you going to get some more?
Q: I want to get some more. I went back to Crown and bought the only other copy that was there.
P: Okay, if you want to give that to someone else first and when you get some more —
Q: Well, I — there’s someone else I might like to read it first. Her name is Faith if you can believe that.
P: Faith? (small laugh)
Q: She’s at the Hotline.
P: Great.
Q: Okay. Let me turn this off.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THERE WAS SOME REMAINING TAPE ON THIS SIDE OF THE MICROCASSETTE SO I DID A BRIEF IMPROMPTU INTERVIEW WITH CHRISTINE LA MONTE.)
Q: I Just finished my therapy session with my therapist and before I go to lunch with my brother I’m with Chris, who he works with here at Rogers & Cowan. I think she might be psychic like a lot of my friends. I think that we’ve been paired up for some strange reason — world clarity or something. Chris, what’s the weirdest thing that ever happened to you?
C: Weird thing psychically?
Q: Are you psychic?
C: Yes. I think I’m psychic. I think I have some psychic abilities.
Q: I think you definitely are. You once told me when I was asking you about how could (“THIS”) eight-year-old child spirit actually speak like an adult. And you said, “Reincarnation,” which I sincerely believe is true.
C: Yeah. So do I.
Q: However, Michael might also be the archangel Michael in the Bible so it’s very confusing and perplexing. And, of course, Michael might be God’s alter ego because Michael “ranks as the greatest of all angels, whether in Jewish, Christian or Islamic writings, secular or religious.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: GUSTAV DAVIDSON’S DICTIONARY OF ANGELS ALSO MENTIONS, “IN MYSTIC AND OCCULT WRITINGS, MICHAEL HAS OFTEN BEEN EQUATED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, THE LOGOS, GOD, METATRON, ETC.”)
C: Michael was His favorite.
Q: Right. So — well, who knows what’s going on? In terms of your own life, some psychics become readers yet why is your attention much more focused on the film industry?
C: Well, I was told — and this is something I believe — that the biggest battle of good and evil is being fought on the silver screen. And that it’s the biggest forum to address the issues of good and evil. I often wonder myself why I’m here but I know there’s a reason and I think that it’s to show in a business like this that you can have heart and that you can be sensitive and still do good things and affect people on a day-to-day basis in the long run. We deal with Buddha with the film “Buddha,” we’ve dealt with Dorothy Day and we’re dealing with some films that maybe wouldn’t otherwise get this kind of love and attention —
Q: Not to mention “Bloodsport 2.”
C: “Bloodsport 2.” And there are some other ones too that are more spiritually oriented. So I like being able to help get that message out. I love to be able to touch people in business — to be able to have a spiritual life and bring that to business. And to be able to show that you can do that. I think it’s important because you don’t see it done that often. So I think that’s why I’m doing this. Plus the sun is in my tenth house, which means that work is exalted.
Q: What’s your astrological sign?
C: I’m Aries with Cancer rising and moon in Cancer.
Q: And you read everything. I know you read a lot of New Age material.
C: Yes, I do.
Q: What are some of the things you recommended to me before that I’ve never gotten around to reading?
C: Well did you read the Emmanuel books?
Q: No.
C: They’re channeled also.
Q: Right.
C: And they also have great truths.
Q: Spell Emmanuel.
C: E – M – M – A – N – E – L – L – E. (“OH”) E – M – M – A – N – U – E – L – L – E I think. (“IS BETTER”)
Q: Was this the one about the dead aliens channeling or something?
C: No.
Q: I remember that one. Which one is that? Do you remember which one that was?
C: There was a book called Urantia and it was put in a bank vault in England by extra-terrestrials. I’ve read parts of that.
Q: But what about you? We’re running out of tape so maybe could you try to sum everything up in terms of your beliefs about God?
C: Well, I believe that we’re here to evolve spiritually. I believe that we all have chosen our path — which are the problems that we have to deal with and things that we’ve got to learn over and over again. Some of us don’t get it right away so those lessons keep getting repeated in our lifetimes. I think that we’re here on Earth with guides, friends from past lives and angels that help us; and that we travel — do you know that word karass? It’s an Indian word meaning groups of people who travel together in lifetimes. It’s a word (“OH”) from India. And I believe that the bottom line is — the three things that are most important are compassion — my father who was a really wise man told me these. I guess kindness is the second thing and — I have to think about this.
Q: Love?
C: Oh absolutely. Love. Definitely. And that we should really try to see God in everyone and know that we’re all the same. There’s no difference. Some of us are a lot more evolved but we have to help the other people that aren’t so advanced as us and look to the people that are more evolved than us to help ourselves.
Q: And do you believe in reincarnation? (“HO OHH”)
C: A hundred percent. (“THAT’S PERSONAL”)
Q: See, I don’t know —
C: Believe it.
Q: — if I’ve had any reincarnations or not.
C: Maybe you’re a young soul. I know I’ve been around. Many times.
Q: I might just be close to certain energy sources. Like Bel-Marduk. (“UHH”) Have you ever heard of Marduk?
C: No.
Q: Interesting.
Q: No.
P: It’s in Los Feliz.
Q: Oh God, that’s right near where I live.
P: I know. That’s what I was thinking. It’s this wonderful place. They have Sunday services and they have channelers and they have spiritually enlightened people from all over come and speak there on Sunday.
Q: I’ve driven by there and I’ve always wondered, “What is that place?”
P: I think you’d really enjoy it because there are a lot of metaphysical thinkers there.
Q: I’ve also driven by — what’s that big place on Sunset? Dianetics?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I COULDN’T REMEMBER THE WORD ‘SCIENTOLOGY.’)
P: Keep driving.
Q: I know. (small laugh)
P: Keep driving past that one but go to the Philosophical Research Society.
Q: I will. So then, in chapter seven of Love’s Awakening—”Faith”—the Spirit channels the message: “KNOW IN YOUR HEARTS THAT THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR — THAT I, THE CREATOR, AM ALWAYS WITH YOU. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I AM YOU, AND YOU ARE ME . . . HOWEVER, LET ME REASSURE YOU THAT THE WORLD YOU SO DESPERATELY FIGHT TO CLING TO — A WORLD OF POVERTY, HATRED, AND WAR — IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR IN A TWINKLING OF MY EYE. . . . THIS IS THE BIRTH OF A NEW WORLD, A WORLD THAT HAS BEEN DELAYED, BUT COULD NEVER BE PREVENTED. KNOW THAT ALL OF THIS IS COMING TO PASS AS HAS BEEN PROPHESIED. . . . REMEMBER THAT EACH OF YOU HAS OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL PLAN FOR SALVATION MAPPED OUT FOR YOU AND THAT YOU ARE ALL LOVED AND GUIDED EQUALLY WELL. . . .ATLANTIS AND LEMURIA NEVER EXISTED ON A PHYSICAL PLANE. . . . PREDICTIONS OF ATLANTIS RISING IN THE WEST REFER TO THE RE-EMERGING OF A LONG-SUBMERGED ASPECT OF OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS. ATLANTIS AND LEMURIA EXIST ONLY IN THE ASTRAL PLANE, THE PLANE OF EMOTIONS SUCH AS ANGER AND HATRED AND OF MILLIONS OF IMAGINARY THOUGHT FORMS SUCH AS FAIRIES AND DEMONS AND ALL CREATURES THE MIND CAN DEVISE. . . . SPIRIT AS CONSCIOUSNESS DECIDES TO PARTICIPATE IN THE UNFOLDING OF THE MIRACLE ON THE PLANET BY WORKING THROUGH SO MUCH KARMA.” Do you believe in karma? Yeah, okay. “THE KARMA IS THE MANIFESTATION OF EGO PATTERNS WHICH HAVE CONCRETE THOUGHTS UPON THE PLANET.” I never really knew what it meant so this explained it for me. “SPIRIT BECAME IDENTIFIED WITH ANIMAL INSTINCTS AND A VERY LOW LEVEL OF AWARENESS. THIS RESULTED IN PATTERNS OF THOUGHTS WHICH ALL INCARNATE HUMAN BEINGS EXPERIENCE. THESE THOUGHT PATTERNS . . . ARE THE CLOSEST THING TO WHAT CHRISTIANS WOULD CALL A DEVIL THAT WOULD SEEMINGLY EXIST OUTSIDE OF AN INDIVIDUAL’S BODY.” What a relief. There isn’t a real Devil.
P: Exactly. Do you believe that?
Q: I do. With all my heart. “TO GIVE A VERY CONCRETE EXAMPLE FOR CONCRETE MINDS, LET’S SUPPOSE YOU ARE BORN INTO A FAMILY OF CHILD ABUSE. CHILD ABUSE INEVITABLY CAUSES BITTERNESS, ANGER, PERHAPS HATRED, FEAR, AND RESENTMENT. THOSE EMOTIONAL PATTERNS AND THEIR CORRESPONDING THOUGHT FORMS ARE THE KARMA THAT YOU TAKE ON DURING THAT LIFETIME TO REMOVE FROM THE PLANET. . . . IT IS AS THOUGH YOU ARE INDIVIDUAL CELLS IN A LARGER BODY AND YOU WILL BEGIN TO COLLECTIVELY REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE A PART OF SOMETHING LARGER — NOT ONLY THE BRAIN, BUT THE ENTIRE ORGANISM THAT THE BRAIN DIRECTS. THE GOD-MIND IS THE BRAIN; THE UNIVERSE IS MY BODY.” And then it goes into denial, which is one of my big problems. Denial and being judgmental are my two big problems. ” . . . LOVE IS COMPASSIONATE AND UNDERSTANDING . . . LOVE IS A TWO-EDGED SWORD. AND LOVE ALSO ENCOMPASSES DISCRIMINATION, JUSTICE, EQUANIMITY, AND BALANCE. . . . THE HUMAN RACE HAS TO BE WEEDED.” Well, this gets to be a little scary. “THE DYING, UNNATURAL, WHAT YOU MIGHT CALL EVIL OR EGO PROCESSES HAVE TO BE NIPPED. THE GARDEN MUST BE WEEDED. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BE DISPASSIONATE ENOUGH TO GET RID OF WHAT DOES NOT FUNCTION, THAT WHICH IS NOT (“OOOH”) CONDUCIVE TO THE PROGRESS OF THE WHOLE. YES, IT MAY SEEM LIKE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE SACRIFICED BUT ACTUALLY THEY WILL ALSO BE GIVEN THEIR HIGHEST GOOD.” Whatever that means.
P: Umm.
Q: “THE AMAZING THING ABOUT DENIAL IS THAT YOU DON’T KNOW THAT THERE’S ANYTHING THERE. . . . SO THE HEALING IS TO SHINE THE TRUTH. . . . TRUTH IS BEING SEEN THROUGHOUT THE LAND AND BEING MANIFESTED AND THE EGO IS GETTING VERY NERVOUS. THE EGO SYSTEM REALIZES THAT WE ARE PLAYING FOR ITS BLOOD. KNOW THAT THE EGO WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU DIE THAN TO HAVE YOU LIVE FREE AGAIN AS CHILDREN OF GOD. THE EGO CREATED DEATH. THERE IS NO DEATH. THERE IS ONLY CHANGE AND TRANSITION.”
P: Um-huh.
Q: “THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH IS A REMOVAL OF DENIAL. . . . JESUS OF NAZARETH DID NOT ASCEND INTO HEAVEN IN THE SENSE OF HEAVEN BEING A PLACE AND ASCENSION BEING A PROCESS DEPENDENT ON TIME, BUT RATHER HE AWAKENED FROM THE DREAM. HE LEFT THE DREAM. HE KNEW IT WAS A DREAM; HE LEFT THE DREAM; HE SHOWED THERE WAS NO DEATH. AND THE EGO-MINDS OF THE TIME THAT HAD THIS PHENOMENON OCCUR RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM MADE UP A FAIRY TALE, A LINEAR STORY IN LINEAR TIME WITH LINEAR EVENTS TO EXPLAIN THE PHENOMENON. . . . ONE OF YOUR OWN KIND MANIFESTS TRUTH FOR YOU . . . AND YOU MAKE UP A FAIRY TALE TO EXPLAIN IT AWAY, SOMETHING TO FIT WITHIN YOUR EGO SCHEMES, YOUR DENIAL SYSTEMS. ‘HE’S A GOD; HE’S OTHER THAN US, AND HE ASCENDED TO THIS PLACE, THIS PHYSICAL PLACE.’ THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE. THERE IS NOWHERE; THERE IS NO SPACE; THERE IS NO TIME. . . . KNOW THAT THERE IS NO TIME AND NO SPACE, THAT THERE IS NO ULTIMATE REALITY. KNOWING THAT YOU ARE ONE IS A STEPPING STONE TO REALIZING THAT THERE’S NO TIME AND NO SPACE AND NO DIFFERENCE IN THE MOVIES, THAT IT IS A MOVIE. IN REALIZING YOU ARE ONE, YOU CAN MAKE MENTAL CONSTRUCTS ABOUT BEING ONE WITH THE PLANET, WHICH IS SPACE AND TIME, ONE WITH OTHER BEINGS DURING THIS LIFETIME, WHICH IS SPACE AND TIME. . . .THE REALITY IS THERE IS NO REALITY. THE DREAM THAT YOU EARTH CHILDREN HAVE CREATED HAS BEEN SUCH A HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE AND YOU HAVE BEEN SCREAMING AT ME, YOURSELF, FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO HELP YOU OUT OF IT. YOU ARE STUCK IN TIME AND WHAT’S KEEPING YOU GLUED TO TIME IS DENIAL. DENIAL, DENIAL, DENIAL!” Like “Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!” in “The Brady Bunch Movie.”
P: (small laugh)
Q: IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE YOU DIE, IF YOU DENY THAT YOU’RE EXTERNAL, THE CREATIVE FORCE OF THE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO BACK YOU UP FOR AWHILE. ON ONE LEVEL YOU EXIST WITHIN THE MIND OF GOD; AND AS THE MIND OF GOD YOU CAN CREATE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO, EXCEPT THAT I AM NO LONGER GOING TO ALLOW MY CHILDREN TO TORTURE THEMSELVES. . . . REMEMBER, YOUR EGO KNOWS EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER DONE. IT SITS READY TO CONDEMN YOU, HOLDING A LIST OF ALL YOUR SUPPOSED SINS. OFTEN THE THINGS ON THIS LIST ARE WHAT ANGER YOU MOST WHEN YOU SEE THEM IN OTHERS. IF YOU JUDGE SOMEONE ELSE AS GUILTY YOUR EGO WILL FIND YOU TEN TIMES GUILTIER. AND GUILT DEMANDS PUNISHMENT. YOU PROJECT THIS GUILT OUT ONTO THE WORLD AND PICK SCAPEGOATS WHO ARE PLAYING OUT YOUR SCENARIO. WHAT YOU CAN TOLERATE ABOUT OTHERS WILL SHOW YOUR OWN LEVEL OF FORGIVENESS.” That’s sort of what happened to me when I got overwhelmed and began having my break with reality — whatever you want to call it.
P: Um-huh. What happened?
Q: Well, I felt that God had always been with me and realized that He knew my every thought and action. So I had to deal with that.
P: And it overwhelmed you?
Q: That was one of the things. That was just one of the first things. “REMEMBER THAT SPIRIT IS INFINITELY CREATIVE AND CAN OUTCREATE ANYTHING THE EGO HAS DEVISED IN ITS OWN DEFENSE. THE EGO USES PLOYS SUCH AS GUILT, ANGER, AND DENIAL BUT IF YOU TURN IT OVER TO GOD YOU WILL ATTRACT THE EXACT COUNTERPLOY TO HEAL YOURSELF. NOTHING IS TOO BIG FOR SPIRIT TO UNDO. NO MATTER HOW LOST, ALONE OR DESPAIRING YOU FEEL, ASK AND SPIRIT WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE. . . . EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE WITH ANOTHER PERSON EXISTS FOR A SPIRITUAL REASON AND PURPOSE, NO MATTER WHAT THE EXTERNAL CONFIGURATION OF THE EXPERIENCE IS. WHETHER IT LOOKS LIKE A BUSINESS EXPERIENCE OR A LOVERS’ INTERACTION IT IS ALL A SPIRITUAL GIVE AND TAKE, A GAME, AND AS FOR SUPERB ATHLETES, TIMING AND COURAGE AND FOLLOW-THROUGH ARE IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTICS. . . . ANYTHING YOU DO TO FEEL SECURE IS EGO. . . . WE ARE DANCING ON THE EDGE OF CHAOS. . . .THE TRUTH IS REALITY IS ALWAYS CHANGING AND IF YOU HOLD ON TO ONE THING YOU’RE NOT STAYING WITH THE FLOW OF GOD. . . . YOU ALL HAVE ON LAYERS OF EGO BUT THE LAYERS ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH PERSON. . . . IF YOU USE MONEY TO FEEL SAFE, SPIRIT WILL SET UP SITUATIONS SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU. . . . YOU WERE CREATED TO LIVE TOTALLY IN THE PRESENT WITH NO WORRIES, KNOWING THAT GOD WILL PROVIDE FOR YOU. GOD DOES PROVIDE AND SPIRIT WILL USE WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO GET YOU TO LET GO OF WHATEVER THINGS YOU THINK ARE PROVIDING FOR YOU AND GIVING YOU SECURITY — MAN, WOMAN, PARENT, BANK ACCOUNT, TEACHER, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. . . . PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER BUY INTO INTELLECTUAL EGO GET LOST IN SPIRITUAL EGO. . . . THEY HAVE FORMED A CLOSED LITTLE UNIVERSE AND ARE USING NEW AGE THOUGHT, CHRISTIANITY, BUDDHISM, HINDUISM AND OTHER RELIGIONS TO KEEP THEMSELVES LOCKED INSIDE THERE. NEVER GET —” Do you agree with that too?
P: Um-huh. That’s a good point. (“YEAH”)
Q: “— DEPENDENT ON ANYTHING OUTSIDE YOUR HIGHER SELF, SPIRIT. . . . EGO IS ANYTHING YOU DO TO FEEL SAFE ON THE PHYSICAL PLANE OTHER THAN YOUR NATURAL FEELING OF BEING SAFE WHICH COMES FROM YOUR CONNECTION WITH THE UNIVERSE. . . . THE CONSCIOUSNESS PATH IS INDIVIDUAL AND EVERYONE GETS HER OWN LESSONS. THEY —”
P: Her?
Q: I guess the author is a her — channeling He/She/We/Us/Whatever. “— AREN’T THE SAME FOR ANY TWO PEOPLE. SO IT IS NOT TRUE TO SAY THAT YOU WILL FIND GOD BY —” This is really funny. This applies to me. “— FASTING, POVERTY AND CELIBACY. YOU MIGHT NEED TO LEARN INTIMACY.”
P: Ooohh.
Q: “MAYBE YOUR CHILDHOOD HAD NO INTIMACY OF ANY KIND —”
P: Yeah.
Q: “— AND YOU ARE TERRIFIED OF IT. FOR YOU CELIBACY IS EGO; YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH IS TO LEARN TO FORM AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP THAT WILL UNDO EGO. YOUR SPIRITUAL PATH INVOLVES INTIMACY AND SEX.” So, hopefully, later when I listen to this tape I’ll be able to hear Michael’s voice saying here, ‘You can get laid. You won’t be cheating on Me.’
P: And that’s your concern?
Q: That’s one of my concerns.
P: You’d be cheating on him?
Q: Well, you know.
P: No, I don’t.
Q: Some of those messages were sort of erotic.
P: Alright, let’s slow down, might we?
Q: Okay.
P: Don’t go on. (small laugh)
Q: Okay. On one of the Oklahoma tapes a spirit voice said, “YOUUUUUU. MEEEEEE. OHHHHHH.” And it was the low-pitched whispery voice that was saying that.
P: Mm — mm — mm.
Q: Exactly.
P. Let that go.
Q: I do. That’s what I’m saying. That’s why I think that one of the entities is evil and I’ve sort of figured out that it’s this low-pitched whispery voice. Also, when I was speaking to Fiona about her psychic ability she was telling me that I should learn how to be a channel and the same voice could be heard on the tape saying “YES.” It was really creepy, eerie. My reaction was, “No thank you.”
P: No.
Q: “I’ll just listen to my own intuition.”
P: Exactly.
Q: Even though I did get a book to read just to see what it entailed. You don’t think I should read it?
P: No. (“OKAY”) I don’t think you should go that route, knowing you have to be very, very grounded to be a channeler. If you’re not grounded, it can throw you off.
Q: Well, maybe if one of the sweeter voices says it, I’ll consider it. But not right now.
P: No. No.
Q: Okay. “YOU HAVE TO DANCE THE TIGHTROPE AND YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO DO WHATEVER SPIRIT ASKS. . . . STAY ON YOUR FEET AND DON’T TAKE YOURSELF SO SERIOUSLY; REALIZE THAT IT’S A GAME. IT IS GOD PLAYING WITH GODSELF. . . . THE EGO WORLD, THE LOGICAL, RATIONAL, MALE ENERGY WORLD FORMED AS A REACTION TO INTUITIVE, FEMALE ENERGY CHAOS. . . . SHIVA DANCES IN THE VOID WITH SHAKTI, LIFE ENERGY, BRINGING FORTH CULTURE, THOUGHT AND FORM. . . . IN EACH PERSON’S LIFE THERE COMES A POINT WHEN THERE IS A CALL TO SURRENDER TO A HIGHER POWER, TO GOD. . . . ‘I SURRENDER MY LIFE AND WILL TO GOD'” is “A VERY SIMPLE AND POWERFUL WAY TO SURRENDER . . . AS A MANTRA OR AFFIRMATION.” (“YES”) I started doing that. “THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE HUMAN RACE RETURNS TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE AS THE CHRIST.” Well, this is an interesting part. It’s a little long but I’ll read it real quick. “BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS. I CREATED YOU. I AM WITH YOU UNTIL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. MY TIME IS AT HAND. THIS IS THE PASSAGE INTO LIGHT, INTO TRUTH. NO DARKNESS WILL LIE HIDDEN. OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE; OPEN YOUR EARS AND HEAR. MY SONG IS BEING SUNG THROUGHOUT THE LAND. MY VOICE, STRONG AND POWERFUL, IS PERMEATING THE THOUGHT-PLANE OF THE PLANET. IT IS TIME FOR YOU, MY LITTLE WILLFUL CHILDREN, TO RETURN TO ME, TO COME INTO MY ARMS, HOME SAFE AND SOUND, TO FORGET THE NIGHTMARE OF HELL YOU HAVE CREATED ON YOUR LITTLE EARTH.” (“RIGHT”) He can be a bastard.
P: Who’s He? (“US”)
Q: You know, Michael or God or Whatever. I mean, I see that term as being an endearing one because I don’t think He knows where He came from either. You know? “I GAVE YOU LOTS OF ROPE WITH WHICH TO HANG YOURSELF.” That’s true. “I KNEW THAT THE TEMPTATION OF SELF-WILL WOULD ALWAYS BE THERE UNTIL YOU EXPERIENCED AND CHRONICLED THE HORROR OF IT. I REALIZE THAT IT IS DIFFICULT FOR MOST OF YOU TO IMAGINE A WORLD, A UNIVERSE FULL OF PEACE AND HAPPINESS AND JOY. THERE WILL BE —”
P: That part about “self-will” and chronicling “the horror of it” is an interesting point. Can you relate to that?
Q: I think we all can relate to that.
P: Yeah.
Q: (small laugh)
P: Definitely.
Q: Especially Stephen King, (small laugh) Anne Rice and people like that.
P: Why them?
Q: Well, I mean the dark side people.
P: Oh. Okay.
Q: I mean if I had written those things before I had my experience I don’t know what I would be doing now.
P: Why?
Q: Because you have to deal with everything. It was bad enough I had to deal with the experiences introduced by having seen all those horror movies over the years. (“YEAH”) There were even parts of Steven Spielberg’s films I now find upsetting. Like the scene in “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” where the heart is ripped out of a man’s chest — which is sort of like what Michael did with the Aztecs. My personal favorite of his movies—and I think he’s a great director; I’d love him to do “Wonder of the World”—is “The Sugarland Express.” I think the heart went out of his movies around the time he made “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.” You can’t argue that his films don’t have good messages but I think some of them he just made in an attempt to win Academy Awards.
P: Mmm.
Q: I thought “Schindler’s List” was okay but I personally liked “The Piano” more.
P: I loved that movie — “The Piano.”
Q: I liked that film so much more than “Schindler’s List” but he’s a great director. I usually go see his films. Where was I? “THERE WILL BE STRUGGLE ON A LOWER LEVEL; STRUGGLE IS ALWAYS A LOWER VIBRATION. BUT MY MAN-BEING, MY HUMAN CHILD IS EVOLVED TO THE POINT TO LET GO OF THE NEED FOR STRUGGLE. STRUGGLE WILL STILL OCCUR ON NEW PLANETS IN NEW LIFE-FORMS. THE EGO PHASE OF ANIMALISTIC INSTINCT IS JUST A TRANSITION: SELF-WILL VERSUS MY LARGER WILL, A DEVELOPMENTAL PHASE OF AUTONOMY. IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT AND SEEMS LONG IN YOUR EYES AND THAT PERIOD IS NOW ENDING. YOU ARE NOW ENTERING A PHASE OF SELF-REALIZATION AS MANIFESTATIONS OF GOD THE CREATOR. NEXT WILL COME CONSTRUCTIVE CREATING THROUGHOUT THE COSMOS.” Anyway, I mean you get the picture. What do you think? Is it craziness or —
P: I don’t think so at all. I think what she says has a lot of truth. Is that how you feel?
Q Yeah.
P: Yeah. Except for that one part about weeding out — (“YEAH”)
Q: Well, I don’t know what level of reality that pertains to. It also says not to judge people and that no one can really judge even murderers. Only God can judge. (“YOU KNOW”) He probably even works through people to do some of these things to test other people. I mean — you know. But I do think that people who commit murder have an opportunity to find redemption by serving their time in prison as opposed to getting away with it.
P: So does this help you in terms of finding strength for yourself?
Q: Well, it helps me to focus. It put into words some of the things that I had been feeling due to my experiences. The phenomena continues to occur. Like I was at the car wash yesterday and a penny dropped down from the sky, which is unusual. Usually, I just see one on the ground. I was at the car wash and it’s like Michael was telling me (“THIS”) the best thing I did all week was wash my car instead of thinking too much about Him or doing the things you’ve been telling me not to do — which I’ve been trying not to do.
P: Are you succeeding?
Q: Somewhat. I didn’t really do that one project about the differences between Michael and my brother because I’m still meditating on that.
P: Please do it, though.
Q: Oh, I will.
P: This identical twin identity that you have I think is really important to look at on a spiritual level. I don’t know if you’ve seen this article from The New Yorker on twins. (“YEAH”) Feel free to read it.
Q: Can I borrow this and bring it back?
P: You can borrow it and make yourself a copy if you want. It’s really interesting because it just underlines the phenomenal link we have on this little planet more so than you ever would realize. And it tells stories about twins that were raised apart (“RIGHT”) who have identical habits.
Q: Well, some people think that’s really weird. When I met my brother’s assistant for the first time, she said, “Oh, you’re not what I expected. I expected cloning.” Someone else who was there at the time agreed: “Yeah, cloning,” It was funny. People have these weird ideas about twins.
P: Do you know if you’re identical or fraternal?
Q: We looked identical when we were small but there was no genetic test done. I would think so. (“BUT”) I don’t know for certain.
P: Because that literally means you came from the same egg.
Q: Of the phenomena I’ve been experiencing, what’s really been interesting, though — does this ever happen to you? When you turn on the radio you keep hearing the same songs over and over again — like some kind of message. Some of the songs I keep hearing are “I’ll Stand By You,” “Time After Time,” “American Pie,” “Can You Feel The Love Tonight?,” “Don’t You Forget About Me.” What else? (“HAVE YOU”) Does that ever happen to you?
P: Not so many of them. Sometimes I hear one that’s repetitive. Maybe twice in the day. Are you looking for messages in these songs?
Q: No, but I just wonder sometimes because some of these aren’t even new songs and I keep hearing them.
P: Well, I think the main message is that you need to have faith. You’re being watched over. And whether it’s Michael or whether it’s God, have faith that there is a being that is helping you and that is by you and it will stand by you no matter —
Q: Exactly.
P: — what happens in your life. And including whatever happens with your brother.
Q: Right.
P: But that’s important for you to know about. And the same being will be with your brother. He is with your brother now.
Q: Oh, I agree. And He’s with his friend James and He’s with my friend Fiona —
P: That’s right.
Q: — and He’s with my friend Marie and he’s with the family in Oklahoma.
P: Right. Exactly.
Q: He’s with you.
P: Yes.
Q: You haven’t found any money recently, have you? (laughs)
P: No. (small laugh)
Q: Oh gosh. I just received a letter today from Silver Screen Partners, one of my investments, so it looks like I’m going to get some money from that investment. (“YOU KNOW”)
P: What is that?
Q: That’s something that one of my financial advisors had put me into. I haven’t figured out how much money I’m going to make yet but it seems to have turned out to be a good investment.
P: Well, good.
Q: So I am being provided for even though I don’t have a job at the moment. They did call me back from Paramount, by the way. Allison finally did. She said, “Well, let me know when you’re ready to go back to work.” I said, “Well, my money hasn’t run out yet.” I don’t think it’s going to. But it’s so funny. I told her I wanted to interview her because she’s had some strange experiences like misplacing her keys and weird fainting spells. So she said, “Okay, well, on the fifteenth.” And I said, “Well, today’s the fifteenth.” And she said, “Oh, next month.” I think she’s avoiding me. Though, I did tell her it was an angel and not a poltergeist. Maybe she’ll change her mind. I have a feeling my book will be done before then. I’d like to get it finished —
P: Oh, really?
Q: — before the special is broadcast because I might get a few calls after that. I did write a letter to Michael Korda at Simon & Schuster because of the Paramount tie-in. I let him know when the show would be on. (“YEAH”) Maybe I’ll get a call. Maybe I’ll get lucky. You never know.
P: I should write down the date again to make sure that I see it.
Q: November 30th. The Thursday after Thanksgiving. Eight o’clock. I feel like I’m shamelessly plugging my project.
P: Are you? Will you be on that?
Q: No. Isn’t that funny? I may be the focus of the phenomena and this whole segment was taped before I even arrived there.
P: Oh.
Q: So it doesn’t seem like I’d have anything to do with the occurrences there. But if He is channeling through me, it would suggest that is a possibility. Did you ever speak again to Barry? I haven’t spoken to him in ages. (“OKAY”) He’s written me off I guess.
P: I don’t know. He was just really concerned about you — that you were totally obsessed; you needed to go on with your life and you were drawing all of these conclusions and parallels that had no bearing on any of them.
Q: He told me that he had a few projects so he’s probably really busy with work or something. Good for him. Good for everybody.
P: Yes, but the message (“NO”) of that channeled book you found and everything is just to know and believe that you’re taken care of.
Q: And I do. I do believe that. I feel fine. I also have this photocopy for you of that authorization faxed to you by CPC Alhambra.
P: Did they give you an idea how long it would take you to get the reference?
Q: They still haven’t even gotten my bill straight over there. Or Blue Cross hasn’t.
P: Well, the records should be a different matter than that.
Q: Well, I would hope so.
P: So what’s the date of this?
Q: I mailed it to them on Friday so they probably have received it by now. Should I call them up and double check or do you want to call them?
P: If you just mailed it on Friday, then they probably received it this week. It could take up to a month for them to send it. But I would be interested in seeing what they did. Have you seen the records yourself?
Q: Just what they gave me over there — like my letter of certification. I mean they certified me.
P: Do you want me to tell you what’s on the records?
Q: Oh yeah. I especially would like to listen to the tapes that they recorded.
P: I’m sure they aren’t going to send any tapes. I’ve never heard of that being done.
Q: They taped my interviews. I saw them do that.
P: Well, I’m sure that they taped you —
Q: Maybe they’ll provide us with transcripts of the interviews.
P: — but I’ve never seen that done before (“UM-UH”) with the records.
Q: Well, I want those tapes. The law says I’m entitled to see them.
P: Yes. My hunch is what they’re going to send me is just what’s in the charts. So you’re going to have to call them. I would call them specifically about the tapes if you want those because I’ve never received tapes.
Q: Fine. I’ll call Leslie. We have a good relationship.
P: Okay, and read the article and see what you think.
Q: Do you want to borrow Love’s Awakening? I have an extra one.
P: Oh, alright. If you’re sure you have an extra one. Are you going to get some more?
Q: I want to get some more. I went back to Crown and bought the only other copy that was there.
P: Okay, if you want to give that to someone else first and when you get some more —
Q: Well, I — there’s someone else I might like to read it first. Her name is Faith if you can believe that.
P: Faith? (small laugh)
Q: She’s at the Hotline.
P: Great.
Q: Okay. Let me turn this off.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THERE WAS SOME REMAINING TAPE ON THIS SIDE OF THE MICROCASSETTE SO I DID A BRIEF IMPROMPTU INTERVIEW WITH CHRISTINE LA MONTE.)
Q: I Just finished my therapy session with my therapist and before I go to lunch with my brother I’m with Chris, who he works with here at Rogers & Cowan. I think she might be psychic like a lot of my friends. I think that we’ve been paired up for some strange reason — world clarity or something. Chris, what’s the weirdest thing that ever happened to you?
C: Weird thing psychically?
Q: Are you psychic?
C: Yes. I think I’m psychic. I think I have some psychic abilities.
Q: I think you definitely are. You once told me when I was asking you about how could (“THIS”) eight-year-old child spirit actually speak like an adult. And you said, “Reincarnation,” which I sincerely believe is true.
C: Yeah. So do I.
Q: However, Michael might also be the archangel Michael in the Bible so it’s very confusing and perplexing. And, of course, Michael might be God’s alter ego because Michael “ranks as the greatest of all angels, whether in Jewish, Christian or Islamic writings, secular or religious.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: GUSTAV DAVIDSON’S DICTIONARY OF ANGELS ALSO MENTIONS, “IN MYSTIC AND OCCULT WRITINGS, MICHAEL HAS OFTEN BEEN EQUATED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, THE LOGOS, GOD, METATRON, ETC.”)
C: Michael was His favorite.
Q: Right. So — well, who knows what’s going on? In terms of your own life, some psychics become readers yet why is your attention much more focused on the film industry?
C: Well, I was told — and this is something I believe — that the biggest battle of good and evil is being fought on the silver screen. And that it’s the biggest forum to address the issues of good and evil. I often wonder myself why I’m here but I know there’s a reason and I think that it’s to show in a business like this that you can have heart and that you can be sensitive and still do good things and affect people on a day-to-day basis in the long run. We deal with Buddha with the film “Buddha,” we’ve dealt with Dorothy Day and we’re dealing with some films that maybe wouldn’t otherwise get this kind of love and attention —
Q: Not to mention “Bloodsport 2.”
C: “Bloodsport 2.” And there are some other ones too that are more spiritually oriented. So I like being able to help get that message out. I love to be able to touch people in business — to be able to have a spiritual life and bring that to business. And to be able to show that you can do that. I think it’s important because you don’t see it done that often. So I think that’s why I’m doing this. Plus the sun is in my tenth house, which means that work is exalted.
Q: What’s your astrological sign?
C: I’m Aries with Cancer rising and moon in Cancer.
Q: And you read everything. I know you read a lot of New Age material.
C: Yes, I do.
Q: What are some of the things you recommended to me before that I’ve never gotten around to reading?
C: Well did you read the Emmanuel books?
Q: No.
C: They’re channeled also.
Q: Right.
C: And they also have great truths.
Q: Spell Emmanuel.
C: E – M – M – A – N – E – L – L – E. (“OH”) E – M – M – A – N – U – E – L – L – E I think. (“IS BETTER”)
Q: Was this the one about the dead aliens channeling or something?
C: No.
Q: I remember that one. Which one is that? Do you remember which one that was?
C: There was a book called Urantia and it was put in a bank vault in England by extra-terrestrials. I’ve read parts of that.
Q: But what about you? We’re running out of tape so maybe could you try to sum everything up in terms of your beliefs about God?
C: Well, I believe that we’re here to evolve spiritually. I believe that we all have chosen our path — which are the problems that we have to deal with and things that we’ve got to learn over and over again. Some of us don’t get it right away so those lessons keep getting repeated in our lifetimes. I think that we’re here on Earth with guides, friends from past lives and angels that help us; and that we travel — do you know that word karass? It’s an Indian word meaning groups of people who travel together in lifetimes. It’s a word (“OH”) from India. And I believe that the bottom line is — the three things that are most important are compassion — my father who was a really wise man told me these. I guess kindness is the second thing and — I have to think about this.
Q: Love?
C: Oh absolutely. Love. Definitely. And that we should really try to see God in everyone and know that we’re all the same. There’s no difference. Some of us are a lot more evolved but we have to help the other people that aren’t so advanced as us and look to the people that are more evolved than us to help ourselves.
Q: And do you believe in reincarnation? (“HO OHH”)
C: A hundred percent. (“THAT’S PERSONAL”)
Q: See, I don’t know —
C: Believe it.
Q: — if I’ve had any reincarnations or not.
C: Maybe you’re a young soul. I know I’ve been around. Many times.
Q: I might just be close to certain energy sources. Like Bel-Marduk. (“UHH”) Have you ever heard of Marduk?
C: No.
Q: Interesting.
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