RADIO CALL —
TAPES #589 THROUGH #591 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
H: Hilly Rose, host of “Coast to Coast AM”
R: Ross Mitchell, “Coast to Coast AM” taped introduction
E: Ed Warren, guest on “Coast to Coast AM”
L: Lorraine Warren, guest on “Coast to Coast AM”
D: Edward, caller from Lakewood, Ohio
N: Neal, caller from Elko, Nevada
S: Scott, caller from Round Rock, Texas
Y: Sandy, caller from Carbon Cliff, Illinois
A: Alexander, caller from Lamar, Missouri
G: Gary, caller from Montreal, Canada
V: KOGO recorded announcer
B: Barbara McBeth, guest on “Coast to Coast AM”
C: Brendan Cook, guest on “Coast to Coast AM”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE OCTOBER 30/31, 1999 EDITION OF “COAST TO COAST AM” WAS BROADCAST FOR L.A. ONLY FROM THE DISTANT SAN DIEGO STATION KOGO, EFFECTING THE QUALITY OF THE TRANSMISSION FOR SAN FERNANDO VALLEY LISTENERS. AS A RESULT, SPIRIT MESSAGES/VOCAL TONE CHANGES ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO DISTINGUISH THAN USUAL.)
H: From high on a haunted hilltop overlooking the Monterey Bay, at the very edge of the dark Pacific, this is Hilly Rose wishing you a weird and spooky night. Well sort of. Hha — it’s going to be a really interesting couple of days that we have planned for you. We call it “Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend.” If we can do shows about the hollow Earth and hollow Mars and hollow Moon, why not a Holloweenie Weekend? . . . In just a couple of minutes, Ed and Lorraine Warren will be our guests. They are exorcists. They’ve been involved in the 'Amityville Horror.' They have been involved in the Annabelle — you remember that one? That was the doll that was frightening the hell out of everybody. And we’ll find out also about some of their latest cases, including the White Lady of the Union Graveyard. A couple hours after that, we’ll be talking to the folks from the — try and get the name right here — the Ghost Investigators Society. It is their job to record ghost voices and you’ll hear a number of ghostly voices. And the last hour tonight is reserved for talking about the things you and I did as kids when we trick and treated, ghost stories and other Halloween-related items. Tomorrow night — we’ll tonight we’ll kill — we’re going to talk a lot about serious stuff but tomorrow night we’re really going to have fun. We’re going to talk with Isaac Bonewits who’s the foremost advocate of Druidism in America — talk about the history of Halloween from the Druid point of view. We’re going to talk about various celebrities who’ve been buried and the strange stories about them. People like Jim Morrison, John Belushi, Karen Carpenter. And then we’re going to wind up tomorrow night with the amazing, colossal book of horror trivia. Things you think you know and maybe you don’t from movies like “Scream,” “The Sixth Sense” and so on. So a lot of fun I hope, a lot of interesting information that we will bring your way and I hope you will stay with us for “Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend” after these words. . . . Now on this Halloween let’s take you to Connecticut and the New England Society for Psychic Research and Ed and Lorraine Warren. They run the Warren Occult Museum. They have been involved in perhaps the most famous cases of ghosts, werewolves and all that sort of thing. And they are very serious people. This may be a joke to some but it is not a joke to the Warrens who really understand that there are such things as entities, ghosts, people who will — (“OR OR”) spirits I should say who will haunt houses, frighten people and create a mess. You may remember the movie “The Exorcist” and what happened there and, of course, the church gets very much involved. And both of the Warrens are religious people and that’s what makes them be as effective as they are. As Ed Warren has said, “You can’t just say — walk into a situation and say that you believe in Jesus Christ or whatever your basic belief is; or whoever you pray to. And you invoke that name. You have to believe and you have to be forceful and you have to be powerful and you can get yourself in one hell of a lot of trouble if you don’t know what you’re doing.” . . .
Q: (during break after first hour of interview) So did you hear the fax machine go off in the background? I just sent a fax saying:
H: From high on a haunted hilltop overlooking the Monterey Bay, at the very edge of the dark Pacific, this is Hilly Rose wishing you a weird and spooky night. Well sort of. Hha — it’s going to be a really interesting couple of days that we have planned for you. We call it “Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend.” If we can do shows about the hollow Earth and hollow Mars and hollow Moon, why not a Holloweenie Weekend? . . . In just a couple of minutes, Ed and Lorraine Warren will be our guests. They are exorcists. They’ve been involved in the 'Amityville Horror.' They have been involved in the Annabelle — you remember that one? That was the doll that was frightening the hell out of everybody. And we’ll find out also about some of their latest cases, including the White Lady of the Union Graveyard. A couple hours after that, we’ll be talking to the folks from the — try and get the name right here — the Ghost Investigators Society. It is their job to record ghost voices and you’ll hear a number of ghostly voices. And the last hour tonight is reserved for talking about the things you and I did as kids when we trick and treated, ghost stories and other Halloween-related items. Tomorrow night — we’ll tonight we’ll kill — we’re going to talk a lot about serious stuff but tomorrow night we’re really going to have fun. We’re going to talk with Isaac Bonewits who’s the foremost advocate of Druidism in America — talk about the history of Halloween from the Druid point of view. We’re going to talk about various celebrities who’ve been buried and the strange stories about them. People like Jim Morrison, John Belushi, Karen Carpenter. And then we’re going to wind up tomorrow night with the amazing, colossal book of horror trivia. Things you think you know and maybe you don’t from movies like “Scream,” “The Sixth Sense” and so on. So a lot of fun I hope, a lot of interesting information that we will bring your way and I hope you will stay with us for “Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend” after these words. . . . Now on this Halloween let’s take you to Connecticut and the New England Society for Psychic Research and Ed and Lorraine Warren. They run the Warren Occult Museum. They have been involved in perhaps the most famous cases of ghosts, werewolves and all that sort of thing. And they are very serious people. This may be a joke to some but it is not a joke to the Warrens who really understand that there are such things as entities, ghosts, people who will — (“OR OR”) spirits I should say who will haunt houses, frighten people and create a mess. You may remember the movie “The Exorcist” and what happened there and, of course, the church gets very much involved. And both of the Warrens are religious people and that’s what makes them be as effective as they are. As Ed Warren has said, “You can’t just say — walk into a situation and say that you believe in Jesus Christ or whatever your basic belief is; or whoever you pray to. And you invoke that name. You have to believe and you have to be forceful and you have to be powerful and you can get yourself in one hell of a lot of trouble if you don’t know what you’re doing.” . . .
Q: (during break after first hour of interview) So did you hear the fax machine go off in the background? I just sent a fax saying:
HILLY
DON’T FORGET TOASK THE WARRENSABOUT THEIR LOSANGELES COUSINTYING IN WITH THEANNABELLE CASE
MGR
DON’T FORGET TOASK THE WARRENSABOUT THEIR LOSANGELES COUSINTYING IN WITH THEANNABELLE CASE
MGR
Q: And I just signed it MGR (Mark Russell Bell is my pseudonym). It has my new (818) phone number at the top with no other distinction but he’ll probably know who it is.
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R: This is a special edition of “Coast to Coast AM” with Hilly Rose on the Premiere Radio Networks. Now, filling in for Art Bell, here’s Hilly Rose.
H: And it is a special edition because our guests are Ed and Lorraine Warren of the New England Society for Psychic Research, folks that’ve been involved in the most famous of all the haunting cases here in the United States. And we’ll get right back to them. I will take calls in the next half hour, not in this half hour because we’ve got so many stories to tell here. And I just — for those of you who are going to write to me and say, “Well why did you interrupt the Warrens all the time?” Look, folks, if I had my way, I’d have the Warrens on for the whole five hours. But (or “BUT”), you know, they were very, very kind. They had a speaking engagement at a college tonight. They got through at about 11 or so and drove on home to Connecticut and then they have another speaking engagement tomorrow morning — later this morning, I should say, and I’m just delighted that they were willing to do the two hours that they are doing with us. So some’s better than none on a night like this. To be able to get the Warrens, it’s just delightful and we are very grateful to them that they are putting out this effort so please hang with me on it and we’ll get right back to the Warrens right here on “Coast to Coast AM”
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H: Now Ed and Lorraine Warren are our guests and Warrens, I have to say to you, I — maybe I’m being set up here. I probably shouldn’t do this but I got a fax from somebody that said “Don’t forget to ask the Warrens about their Los Angeles cousin tying in with the Annabelle case.” I haven’t the slightest idea what that means.
?: (small laugh)
E: Los Angeles cousin?
L: Los Angeles cousin tying-in with Annabelle?
H: Right.
E: No. (or “NO”)
H: You don’t know either?
E: No, we don’t know either.
H: Okay, fine. Let’s move on. In fact, let’s move on, Ed, to what we wanted to get to is the White Lady of Union Graveyard. . . .
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R: This is a special edition of “Coast to Coast AM” with Hilly Rose. You may reach Hilly from west of the Rockies at (gives number), east of the Rockies at (gives number), on the first-time caller line at (gives number), and the wild card line at (gives number). Now, filling in for Art Bell, here’s Hilly Rose.
H: And on Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend, we wrap up with the Warrens in this half hour, moving on in the next half hour to ghost voices and then at the end of the show — last hour of the show, we will be taking your calls on ghost stories, what you did for trick and treating and all that sort of thing so that’s what’s ahead in the show. Also, I want to talk to the Warrens a little bit about what to do if a house is haunted. I don’t think we discussed that at all and I want to get to that; what they feel about Ouija Boards, tarot cards and that sort of thing. So — and the folks are lining up now on the phone callers. So you might want to talk to the Warrens about these exorcisms or perhaps you have a problem somewhere that you’d like to talk to them about. And we will do all that right after these amazing words.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AFTER THE COMMERCIALS, I TURNED UP THE RADIO AND LEFT MY TAPE RECORDER AGAINST ONE OF THE HEADPHONES.)
H: Ed and Lorraine Warren of the New England Society for Psychic Research are our guests and what about this business of Ouija Boards and tarot cards and that sort of thing? A lot of people play at the occult. I would suggest the word play is not a good thing.
L: No, it is not. And you know, Hilly, we think we know who they are. L.A. —
H: Cousins?
L: — connection is for we have a very dear and special friend living in the Burbank area of Los Angeles by the name of Chuck Moses who we think of more (as) family than a close friend. And we sure hope and pray that that is from him. And we send our love to him.
H: Okay.
L: The Ouija Board — it’s a means of communicating with another world. You put your hand on that board. You ask questions of something that’s invisible, something that’s intangible and you are just opening the door to a great deal of trouble. (In) 75% of our cases, the Ouija Board has been used to open doors to everything from haunting phenomena occurring in homes to actually the oppression and possession of people. Because the individual who is using that board is going to be affected on their weakest, most vulnerable level. Nothing may happen at that given time but when they are in a certain emotional state of mind and we all had that down period in our life, that is when what they have attracted is then going to affect them.
E: I think a good example of this, Hilly, would be a thirteen-year-old girl who was using it as a game that her mother had given her with her ten-year-old cousin. One night they got a message over the board through the planchette — and it said that it was an eighteen-year-old boy who had been killed by the police in a rape attempt. This was not an eighteen-year-old boy’s spirit. It was an incubus, a spirit that attacks the female physically and sexually. These are the most horrendous, horrifying attacks. Anybody who’s seen “The Entity” — that was a case of — where an incubus had attacked this woman and I guess still is. But the thirteen-year-old said, “If you’re really a spirit, ghost, prove it. Put out a light. Show yourself. Move something.” She wanted to see and feel something physical. The message came back that it would not come then but it would come later. This lady for the psychic hours of the night 9 to 6 when evil spirits are the most powerful — well the mother was working in the kitchen that night, the father was on the night shift, the girl was sound asleep. The mother heard screams coming from her bedroom, ran in. The girl was thrashing about, yelling her head off that something had gotten into bed with her and she could feel hands on her body. Well the mother attributed this to a nightmare (and) told the child, “Look, you’ve been fooling with that Ouija Board. You’ve been talking about ghosts. You had a nightmare. I’ll leave the light on. Go back to sleep.” But before the mother even got back to the kitchen, the girl was screaming again. And this time when she ran into the room, she said it was icy cold — a psychic cold. There was an odor like something dead, rotting and a great presence of evil. I know what she means by that. Now she was frightened. She took the little girl to the (or “TO THE”) into her bedroom, called up the father to come right home from work. But before the father came home from work, there was a sensation like an animal running around the bed like a cat or a dog jumping on it, jumping off. Then the mother started reading from the family’s Bible which was a very thick Bible —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS WAS WHEN I REACHED THE RADIO SHOW SCREENER. I WAS ASTONISHED THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH RIGHT AWAY AFTER DIALING A WRONG NUMBER. I RECORDED WHAT I SAID. THERE HADN’T BEEN TIME TO LOCATE MY LISTENING DEVICE WHICH I LATER FOUND WRAPPED AROUND THE RECEIVER CORD.)
Q: Yes. The Warrens. (pause) Mark. (pause) Mark. (pause) From Los Angeles. (pause) It’s just clarifying the mystery of the L.A. cousin. (pause) Okay, thank you.
E: — and the girl was thrown out of the bed onto the floor. The Bible was torn from the mother’s hands, hit the wall, hit the floor and looked like a bunch of confetti. What in the world could do this? Nothing in this world. The father came home. He was beside himself. He didn’t know what to do. He called the family doctor. The doctor didn’t know what to do. And then the doctor called the police and the police didn’t know what to do. When that girl was brought to me three nights later, she looked as though she had been in a terrible accident. There were cuts, bruises, burns all over her body. And — questioning this child with her parents there and the priest — none of them had slept for three nights. And she was all covered with these bruises and cuts. I said, “What do you think happened here?” And at that moment, her eyes bugged out. She looked at one corner of my study and screamed that it was coming for her. She described it — which I won’t — to your listeners. Within seconds, Hilly, that little girl tried to go up on her toes, left the floor a few inches. The hair was torn right out of her scalp. Teeth marks appeared on her arms and legs with saliva. Now your listeners are probably thinking, “Boy, this guy tells a pretty good horror story.” This is all backed up with credible witnesses. We have had the church involved with it. And the girl was exorcised by three Roman Catholic priests. I’m sure that she’ll never pick up another Ouija Board. You know where the Ouija Board is actually manufactured? Salem, Massachusetts.
H: Hha, wow. Alright, listen, I’ve got all kinds of calls waiting for you here and we’re running out of time so let’s get to a caller. Let’s go to Los Angeles and talk to Mark. Good morning, Mark.
Q: Hi, Hilly.
H: Hi.
Q: I’m glad I was able to get through because I am the Warrens’ L.A. cousin. My Warren family line goes back to Abraham Warren though I don’t (“HH”) know if they know me. I did send them Email. Does Mark Russell Bell ring a bell with you two? (“INHOMENA”)
[2020 UPDATE: MY 2005 UPDATE AS FOLLOWS ALSO IS SPECULATIVE. THERE JUST ARE NO SIMPLE EXPLANATIONS SOMETIMES.]
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: [2005] I EVENTUALLY DETERMINED THAT “INHOMENA” IS MY OWN VOICE AFTER ALL – THE WORD FRAGMENT HAD BEEN CREATED BY HILLY ROSE OR A SHOW PRODUCER DELETING A PORTION OF MY CONVERSATION WHERE I MENTIONED MY WEBSITE ADDRESS AND I HADN’T BEEN AWARE THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS BEING UTILIZED AT THE TIME IN 1999. I CUSTOMARILY USED MY LISTENING DEVICE TO RECORD MY CALLS TO RADIO SHOWS BUT HADN’T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT ON THIS OCCASION. THUS, SOMETHING I SAID A FEW SECONDS LATER ABOUT “PHENOMENA” BECAME AMALGAMATED WITH WHAT I’D PREVIOUSLY SAID ON THE BROADCAST. FOR A WHILE IT HAD SEEMED TO ME THAT HEARING “INHOMENA” WAS A BIZARRE AND UNUSUAL CASE OF EVP WHEREIN THE TONALITY OF MY VOICE WAS ALMOST PERFECTLY AUGMENTED, A FORM OF EVP THAT I’D NEVER BEFORE EXPERIENCED. USUALLY THERE ARE DISTINCT TONALITY DIFFERENCES WITH EVP HEARD ON RECORDED MATERIAL AND RADIO BROADCASTS.)
H: Okay. Well apparently this is — the(y’re) — they’re not un — they don’t know you, Mark, so I want to move along to another call. Yeah, let’s go to Edward in Lakewood, Ohio. Hey, Edward? Wake up, Edward.
D: . . .
H: Good morning.
D: Good morning.
H: Yeah, you’re on the air.
D: Thank you. At the beginning of your program, your guests said something about there are various ways to go to God like Muslim, Judaism and Christianity. That is refuted by Jesus Christ in John chapters 10 and 14 in the King James Bible and that’s all I called about.
H: Okay.
D: I just want to say that (“NO”) in our work we come across many different religions and I don’t think that Spirit draws a line on what religion that you happen to be in. And being Catholic doesn’t mean that we’re not going to help a Moslem or we’re not going to help some Jewish person. We’re going to help anyone whose religion teaches love of God and love of your fellow man. And I am not dumb enough to think that because I’m a Catholic that that’s the one and only true religion. There are many roads that lead to God and these were all the different religions that people practice in this world today.
H: Alright. Let’s go to Neal in Elko, Nevada. Good morning, Neal.
N: Hiya, Hilly. How’s it going, Ed and Lorraine?
L: Fine, thank you.
N: Yeah, I talked to the priest who investigated Amityville and he said that that was all hype except for the fact that Ronald DeFeo did kill his family and that’s the only thing that the story was based upon (“NO”) the truth from the book and I was wondering if you had any comments about that?
H: What priest did you talk to?
N: Well some priest in Amityville that runs the Catholic church —
H: Well if you don’t know the name of the priest then this is just a bunch of — you know, a lot of people claim that it’s a fake but these — the Warrens were in the house and I don’t want to get into that. We haven’t got time for it. Let’s go to Scott in Round Rock, Texas. Hi, Scott. Hello, Scott? Are you there, Scott?
S: Yes, I’m here.
H: Okay, you’re on the air. Go ahead.
S: Earlier you mentioned something about werewolves. I was wondering if they had any stories about that.
H: Oh sure they do.
L: Oh yes we do. We were involved in a case of lycanthropy, the only case actually that Ed and I have ever been able to document. A man in Southend-on-Sea, an area of London, England. And after full documentation of this case where he had attacked nurses, police officers and, oh, just so much regarding this case, he was successfully exorcised in this country. We brought him here to this country. He was institutionalized for evaluation and all. And he did suffer from possession of a wolf spirit.
H: Okay, let’s — thank you for that. Let’s move along here to Sandy in Carbon Cliff, Ohio. Hi, Sandy.
Y: Hi. It’s Illinois.
H: Oh is it Illinois? Well it’s close enough.
Y: Yeah, it’s just across here . . . the (“SHIT”) Mississippi than from the — east to the west, the north . . .
H: Well wherever —
Y: Kind of a unique place.
H: Wherever you may be, happy Halloween and what’s on your mind?
Y: The Ouija Board. I had a confrontation with — well not a confrontation. I was trying to explain to a younger girl of age 14 . . . that it is a dangerous item and I at one time had used one — age 13 with my sister. And didn’t like it. A second time didn’t like it. And then left it as an ornament sitting just in a room thinking maybe a decoration — it’s cute to look at. And one evening—I believe it would be like a dark shadow, which I’ve heard other people mention on the Art Bell show—did come and I took the thing and tossed it in the ravine, thinking, “Never again.” And that was the end of it. Was that the end of it as far as a tender conscience that I may have yet of it?
L: No. In other words that is why I mentioned that nothing may happen at the given time when you’re using it but then when you are in a particular vulnerable space that’s when things can happen.
Y: Yeah it was . . . a year or two later. I tossed it.
L: Well the best thing to do with a Ouija Board is to bury the board. (“IF YOU WANT”) If you are of Christian faith then get holy water, bless yourself and make the sign of the cross in the dirt over it. Don’t throw it away, don’t burn it and don’t break it up.
Y: Well can I go to the — years and years ago when I tossed it. I mean I’m near forty now.
L: Well I think . . .
Y: . . . left open through the dirt there.
L: Beg pardon?
Y: Could there be something left open in the dirt because of the square board?
L: Well I think if nothing has happened since, you’re pretty free of it.
Y: Yeah. But it was just, you know, like I said earlier tonight, these girls had it. I said, “Oh please, don’t play with it.” (“NO”)
H: Okay. Thank you Sandy for the call. Lorraine, I don’t understand. A Ouija Board, after all, is just a manufactured board and maybe some wooden blocks. (“SO”) You know, couldn’t you just talk to this entity without the board and get the same result?
E: Yes.
L: Yes, you can. You definitely can. People do it with an upside down wine glass actually on a shiny surface. It isn’t the board. It’s what you are doing. You are communicating with spirits. You are opening doors to that spirit world and where do you think your answers are coming from?
H: So the board really just focuses attention or focuses you? Is that what —
L: It does. Yes, it does. It’s a means of communication.
E: The reason, (“HI”) Hilly, that we say to bury it is so that somebody won’t pick it up out of an ashcan and start using it. The board itself has no meaning. It’s only a piece of wood with letters and numbers on it. It’s the communication that you’re trying to bring about through that board that has the meaning.
H: Let’s go to Alexander in Lamar, Missouri. Good morning, Alexander.
A: Well thank you very much . . .
H: Speak up please.
A: Can you hear me better?
L: No.
H: Not really. You have to talk right into your phone.
A: Have been.
H: There you go. That’s better.
A: My ques(tion) —
H: Okay
A: Thank you. You know, I want to allude to what the gentleman earlier said about — he was quoting chapters from John and being a Catholic and not able to reach God. And I question that indeed. And I’d happily would like to hear a follow-up on that. Plus, I’d like to ask another question, if possible.
H: Well what follow-up do you want? I mean I — you know, I don’t argue the Bible on this program because that’s self-defeating. So . . .
A: Well I don’t want you to do — the gentleman earlier was alluding —
H: Yeah, I know what he said but move on to your next question. I’m out of time here so what’s your question? Because you say you had another question.
A: I do have another question. Actually, I have more than one but if I could ask one, that would be great.
H: Go ahead.
A: Um — (pause)
H: Well I haven’t got the time. I’ve got a lot of people waiting. I’m sorry. Let’s go to Gary in Montreal, Canada. Hi, Gary. Good morning to you.
G: Yes, hi. Good evening.
H: You’re our final caller if you’re quick. Go ahead.
G: Okay. I would just like to ask your guests in the cases of exorcism I know normally it’s Catholic priests who are involved. Is there ever any other religions like Protestant ministers or rabbis that get involved in this?
E: Every type religion in the world today has the rituals of exorcism in them.
G: Really?
E: If we go into a Jewish home, we bring a rabbi. If we go into a Moslem home, we being a Moslem . . . (unknown word). We go into a Catholic Christian home, we bring a priest or a minister. So they all have their exorcists yet.
G: Really?
L: Um-huh.
G: I’m just wondering —
L: We worked with the leading Buddhist exorcist in Japan.
G: Is that right?
L: A man who was a very holy and pious man to work with and was very successful in casting out.
G: Really?
L: Yes.
G: And can I ask one more question?
H: Quickly. Yeah. Quickly.
G: Okay. Do you find that in a lot of societies and religions that the mainstream society kind of rejects the idea of possession or exorcism and so on?
E: No, I don’t think they reject it. I think that today we’re getting so much evidence and proof that something preternatural, unnatural is happening to these people besides schizophrenia, the Tourette syndrome so that, you know, we look for outward manifestation — things that are not normal, not natural: a pillow lifting up in the air, a person talking in a language that they never have studied. These are all the evidence of outward manifestation that we must have as far as a criteria (for) possession is concerned.
H: Ed, you’ve used that word “preternatural” before. I’m not sure I understand the meaning. What is it?
E: Okay. Preternatural we consider coming from the evil side. Supernatural coming from the side of God. In other words, a vision from the loved one such as a wife or a husband is not considered preternatural, supernatural and is considered something that’s beautiful. Where you have a diabolical haunting, something like maybe exorcism, that’s considered preternatural.
H: Alright. I really appreciate — I know that you both are very busy and you’ve taken time and stayed up late for us and so we very, very much appreciate it. Where are we going with this? I’ve got about two minutes here. Where are we going with this in terms of — I mean it’s one thing to deal with it as you have over many, many years. Are we opening any minds? Are we able to compete — not compete but are — I guess what I’m really asking here is so now that you’ve had a lifetime of working in this area, should we be concerned? Are we —
L: Um-huh.
H: — cracking — we should be concerned?
L: Yes, we should. What we are doing to college audiences across this country, in Canada, in the United Kingdom, is bringing a warning how easy it is to open doors to that occult world; how very difficult it is to close them.
E: In other words, don’t use Ouija Boards, don’t hold seances, don’t go into any kind of occult practices. If you want to learn about the supernatural, go to church.
H: Alright. I really appreciate it. Happy Halloween to you and —
L: Happy Halloween to you and our prayers are with you, Hilly.
H: Thank you so very much.
E: Thank you very much, Hilly.
H: Yeah. (Or “YEAH”) Bye-bye now. (“NOW THAT’S”) Ed and Lorraine Warren of the New England Society for Psychic Research. Once again, their website well worth your visit—especially at a time like this—is www.warrens.net and, again, you can just go to the website www.hillyrose.com and just run down to where we list all the guests and just you can hit the link and that will take you to the Warrens. And there — (“NO”) we didn’t really have the time to get into Annabelle which I said earlier is the most frightening of all the stories in my view. And, of course, there are some interesting explanations at the end of the story. That’s all on the Warrens’ website. And, of course, the Warren Occult Museum — they talk about that and some of the items that are in there. The — hha. (“SOME”) Some weird things going on, folks. You think the Art Bell show talks about the strange — ain’t nothing stranger. So on “Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend,” we will continue at the top of the hour — continue to talk about ghosts but you’ll hear the voices of the ghosts themselves. (“HI”) Hilly Rose for Art Bell.
V: News Radio 600 KOGO.
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(bumper music is Bernard Herrmann’s score for Hitchcock’s “Psycho”)
R: This is “Coast to Coast AM” with special guest host Hilly Rose on the Premiere Radio Networks.
(broadcast of unattributed sounds/unintelligible spirit voices)
H: Whooo. That’s a ghost voice. It was recorded — well we’ll find out where it was recorded and how. But it is the voice of a ghost and as far as this is ghost night after talking to the Warrens for a couple of hours — and we’ll be talking to the folks from the Ghost Investigators Society in these next two hours so it’s sort of ghost night. . . .
B: I would like to say that this is an old station. It’s now a museum and they — during both world wars a lot of bodies of soldiers were returned through this station. It was a major hubbub during the Golden Spike era. It linked up to the railroad for the East and the West Coast. And it was a major train station at one time. And my husband and I were conducting an investigation in this railroad station. There’s been a lot of activity reported there from the people that work there. And we were looking through our infrared cameras into what they call now the Grand Gallery. And there’s a substation, a sub-police station that’s there now. And I was the only female there that night and my husband was there with me. And the door opened from the substation and these three police officers — these male police officers walked out and I recorded on my audio tape and my video camera this voice. I don’t know if — can you play it now?
H: Sure. Let’s hear the voice now that she recorded at Union Station.
(recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
(repeat/recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AFTER EXTENSIVE TRANSCRIBING EXPERIENCE, MY TECHNIQUE IS TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDED SOUNDS AND/OR VOICES IN MOMENTARY BITS, REWIND, LISTEN, REWIND, LISTEN AGAIN, UNTIL I HAVE CONSIDERED DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. SINCE PUBLISHING THE FIRST EDITION OF TESTAMENT, I USUALLY MAKE NO NOTE OF ACCOMPANYING UNATTRIBUTED SOUNDS. THE SPIRIT MESSAGE ABOVE TAPED FROM THE BROADCAST WAS MOST CLEAR ON THE TAPE RECORDER I PURCHASED AT THE COUNTER SPY SHOP IN BEVERLY HILLS: A MODIFIED PANASONIC MICROCASSETTE RECORDER UTILIZING EARPHONES FOR BOTH EARS. I ALSO USE A DICTAPHONE VOICE PROCESSOR TAPE RECORDER AND TRANSCRIBING MACHINE WHILE TRANSCRIBING.)
H: No, I’m not quite understanding what was being said, Barbara. What do you think that means? (“IT”)
B: It asked us, “What are you doing in here?”
H: Okay.
B: And right after — it’s a voice that shouldn’t have been there. I was the only female there and —
H: You keep stressing that. Why is that important?
B: Because it was a female voice that spoke.
H: And because — they’re saying, “Why is this female here?” You were the only female.
B: Yes, I was the only female in there.
H: So you were out of place and this ghost is saying to you, “What are you doing here?”
B: I think that the ghost came out with the police officers when they opened the door. I think she was in there with them. We —
H: Listen — now that we understand this story, let’s just play that again so we can clarify it in our minds.
B: Okay.
H: Let’s hear it now.
(repeat/recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
(repeat/recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
H: Okay, go ahead. I — I did — it’s obviously clearer to me. Now that I know what it is that’s being said, I can hear it.
B: Right on our tape recorder when we were relistening to it when we got home, when the ghost said that, one of the male officers asked the exact question which I thought was kind of odd. The exact words: “What are you doing in here?” And we told them that we were ghost investigators and we were conducting an investigation there. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder during 12:30 a.m. program break) Well it just shows how people interpret messages in different ways because that message sure sounded different to me what it was saying. . . .
H: Returning now to the Ghost Investigators Society, Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook are with us. I have a fax her and I want to make something clear. I asked the folks at the GIS, Ghost Investigators Society, to do the voices twice. In other words, play the voice and little pause and then play it again so you have an opportunity to really hear it. Now (or “NOW”) I have this fax, folks, from David Foxworthy in which he says, “Please ask Brendan and Barbara why the ghost in the recordings takes a breath to speak. One would think that speech for a spirit would have no resemblance of lungs and a pharynx for communication if it was a spirit. Because they are breathing to communicate, what is it and why?” Is that (a) pause that we put in there, do you think or is he referring to something else because I haven’t studied these voices like you have.
C: What it would be is when we had transferred the voice onto computer and had sent you the voice, there was a male voice that speaks right after you hear the lady. And we had to cut him out because he . . . (faint word hard to make out) — he makes it sound completely different.
B: One of the officers.
H: Oh I see. Not another ghost. It was just —
B: No, it was an officer that started to ask the same question.
H: So it really — the ghosts are not breathing. (“TH”) We’re not getting a — they’re not taking a breath to say what they’re saying.
C: No. Uh-uh. (“YEAH”)
H: Okay —
B: Although we have recorded what does sound like breathing. And I — (“N”) we’ve asked that same question ourselves. I recorded a voice one time that — it sounded like it was taking in a long drawn-in breath and then told us to get out. And you can hear it starting to breathe in and I can’t explain that. (“BUT”) They do make that sound.
H: (beginning last hour of show) On our “Holloweenie [SIC] Weekend” this is the only hour that I have reserved for your participation with telling me about tricks and treats: tricks that you might’ve done, treats that you might’ve done. (laughs) And spooky stories that you might know. I just — this is the only hour because of the whole ten hours of the Halloween weekend that we’re doing, this is the only hour I reserved for that. And so we’ll get to your phone calls in just a minute but I believe it’s particularly appropriate for me to retell a story that I have told you before. The guests in the last hour mentioned the Raudive tapes. Raudive was a Latvian engineer and he devised this system of having a tape recorder and saying, “Is anybody there?” Then he’d walk out of the room and come back later and play the tape. And it would — there would be voices. There would be responses to questions that were asked. Now I used to play these tapes on the air. I was on a — number of years ago on a very large — one of the largest radio stations in America, big 50,000-watt boomer all over the United States and that was in the days before satellite so we had this huge audience all across the country. And one time I decided to play some music from the Raudive tapes. They had said, “Is there music in the other world?” And they came back and found this music which was like gongs. And I played it on the air. And what happened was that this radio station which was part of the Civil Defense System and you remember how important that was years ago. This station that was part of it — in fact, it was the lead station because it was heard everywhere in the United States. It went off the air. And the auxiliary transmitter went off the air. And the auxiliary power went out. Now you’ve got to understand. The lights did not go out in the studio but all of the transmission equipment went out — went out for about ten seconds. And there had to be a big investigation. The government had to investigate and so the FCC came in and the Civil Defense people came in. Everybody came in to investigate this thing and six months later they issued a report in which they said that this radio station that had been on the air for fifty years, never been off the air for a minute — at the precise second that I played the Raudive tapes, this music from the other world, at that precise moment a piece of dust got on a condenser and knocked the transmitters off the air. Now friends you can believe that if you want but I have always long thought that what was happening here is what we were talking about in the preceding hour. Somehow the other world is on FM, we’re on AM (“O”) — we’re on different frequencies. And so when we tried to play back over our broadcasting system this music, it knocked us off the air. So I said to management, “Okay, so it’s only a piece of dust that got on the condenser. Not a big deal. So tonight I’ll play those — that music again.” And they looked me straight in the eye and they said, “You play that music again and you’re fired.” (small laugh) Oh talk about your closed minds. Wouldn’t it have been wonderful if somebody had spent some money to investigate what that was all about? Well — didn’t happen and here we are still talking about it. (“BUT”) Have we at least opened your mind to the possibility that ghosts do exist? That there is life after death? And wouldn’t it be comforting to know that? Maybe some day. . . .
Q: (observations made the following day) In thinking about the Warrens as I transcribe my earlier tape sides, it’s only too evident that people make choices in what they believe. In the Warrens’ case, attributing so much to the power of evil, you can see some motivation for them not wanting to take my case and use it to help them interpret events they’ve experienced. No one wants to admit they’ve made a mistake. I’ve made many, many mistakes but I didn’t know I was making them at the time just as I’m sure the Warrens don’t know when they make incorrect interpretations or mistakes. I mean obviously they’re benefitting off of interpreting what they don’t understand as purely an evil force. There is evil in this world. But the power of goodness is stronger. I sent my “Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus Prophecies Fulfilled” (press release) to the Warrens on August 2nd. It has to be very clear. Perhaps I should send them the expanded press release. I note here that it wasn’t the expanded version that I sent so maybe that will make it a little bit easier. This one dated August 2nd didn’t have the information about movies and television shows distracting us. And, of course, right now, as I remember seeing at their website, a film is in pre-production: The Demonologist of course. So their predicament is do they continue exploiting the unexplained even though it doesn’t create enlightenment in the world or do they say this is what’s really going on, this is how we really need to evolve. So I plan to send new Email to the Warrens, copying Hilly, and just say “Expanded Press Release (Does This Help?)”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING AFTER SENDING THE EMAIL TO THE WARRENS WITH A CC: TO HILLY ROSE.)
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R: This is a special edition of “Coast to Coast AM” with Hilly Rose on the Premiere Radio Networks. Now, filling in for Art Bell, here’s Hilly Rose.
H: And it is a special edition because our guests are Ed and Lorraine Warren of the New England Society for Psychic Research, folks that’ve been involved in the most famous of all the haunting cases here in the United States. And we’ll get right back to them. I will take calls in the next half hour, not in this half hour because we’ve got so many stories to tell here. And I just — for those of you who are going to write to me and say, “Well why did you interrupt the Warrens all the time?” Look, folks, if I had my way, I’d have the Warrens on for the whole five hours. But (or “BUT”), you know, they were very, very kind. They had a speaking engagement at a college tonight. They got through at about 11 or so and drove on home to Connecticut and then they have another speaking engagement tomorrow morning — later this morning, I should say, and I’m just delighted that they were willing to do the two hours that they are doing with us. So some’s better than none on a night like this. To be able to get the Warrens, it’s just delightful and we are very grateful to them that they are putting out this effort so please hang with me on it and we’ll get right back to the Warrens right here on “Coast to Coast AM”
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H: Now Ed and Lorraine Warren are our guests and Warrens, I have to say to you, I — maybe I’m being set up here. I probably shouldn’t do this but I got a fax from somebody that said “Don’t forget to ask the Warrens about their Los Angeles cousin tying in with the Annabelle case.” I haven’t the slightest idea what that means.
?: (small laugh)
E: Los Angeles cousin?
L: Los Angeles cousin tying-in with Annabelle?
H: Right.
E: No. (or “NO”)
H: You don’t know either?
E: No, we don’t know either.
H: Okay, fine. Let’s move on. In fact, let’s move on, Ed, to what we wanted to get to is the White Lady of Union Graveyard. . . .
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R: This is a special edition of “Coast to Coast AM” with Hilly Rose. You may reach Hilly from west of the Rockies at (gives number), east of the Rockies at (gives number), on the first-time caller line at (gives number), and the wild card line at (gives number). Now, filling in for Art Bell, here’s Hilly Rose.
H: And on Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend, we wrap up with the Warrens in this half hour, moving on in the next half hour to ghost voices and then at the end of the show — last hour of the show, we will be taking your calls on ghost stories, what you did for trick and treating and all that sort of thing so that’s what’s ahead in the show. Also, I want to talk to the Warrens a little bit about what to do if a house is haunted. I don’t think we discussed that at all and I want to get to that; what they feel about Ouija Boards, tarot cards and that sort of thing. So — and the folks are lining up now on the phone callers. So you might want to talk to the Warrens about these exorcisms or perhaps you have a problem somewhere that you’d like to talk to them about. And we will do all that right after these amazing words.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AFTER THE COMMERCIALS, I TURNED UP THE RADIO AND LEFT MY TAPE RECORDER AGAINST ONE OF THE HEADPHONES.)
H: Ed and Lorraine Warren of the New England Society for Psychic Research are our guests and what about this business of Ouija Boards and tarot cards and that sort of thing? A lot of people play at the occult. I would suggest the word play is not a good thing.
L: No, it is not. And you know, Hilly, we think we know who they are. L.A. —
H: Cousins?
L: — connection is for we have a very dear and special friend living in the Burbank area of Los Angeles by the name of Chuck Moses who we think of more (as) family than a close friend. And we sure hope and pray that that is from him. And we send our love to him.
H: Okay.
L: The Ouija Board — it’s a means of communicating with another world. You put your hand on that board. You ask questions of something that’s invisible, something that’s intangible and you are just opening the door to a great deal of trouble. (In) 75% of our cases, the Ouija Board has been used to open doors to everything from haunting phenomena occurring in homes to actually the oppression and possession of people. Because the individual who is using that board is going to be affected on their weakest, most vulnerable level. Nothing may happen at that given time but when they are in a certain emotional state of mind and we all had that down period in our life, that is when what they have attracted is then going to affect them.
E: I think a good example of this, Hilly, would be a thirteen-year-old girl who was using it as a game that her mother had given her with her ten-year-old cousin. One night they got a message over the board through the planchette — and it said that it was an eighteen-year-old boy who had been killed by the police in a rape attempt. This was not an eighteen-year-old boy’s spirit. It was an incubus, a spirit that attacks the female physically and sexually. These are the most horrendous, horrifying attacks. Anybody who’s seen “The Entity” — that was a case of — where an incubus had attacked this woman and I guess still is. But the thirteen-year-old said, “If you’re really a spirit, ghost, prove it. Put out a light. Show yourself. Move something.” She wanted to see and feel something physical. The message came back that it would not come then but it would come later. This lady for the psychic hours of the night 9 to 6 when evil spirits are the most powerful — well the mother was working in the kitchen that night, the father was on the night shift, the girl was sound asleep. The mother heard screams coming from her bedroom, ran in. The girl was thrashing about, yelling her head off that something had gotten into bed with her and she could feel hands on her body. Well the mother attributed this to a nightmare (and) told the child, “Look, you’ve been fooling with that Ouija Board. You’ve been talking about ghosts. You had a nightmare. I’ll leave the light on. Go back to sleep.” But before the mother even got back to the kitchen, the girl was screaming again. And this time when she ran into the room, she said it was icy cold — a psychic cold. There was an odor like something dead, rotting and a great presence of evil. I know what she means by that. Now she was frightened. She took the little girl to the (or “TO THE”) into her bedroom, called up the father to come right home from work. But before the father came home from work, there was a sensation like an animal running around the bed like a cat or a dog jumping on it, jumping off. Then the mother started reading from the family’s Bible which was a very thick Bible —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THIS WAS WHEN I REACHED THE RADIO SHOW SCREENER. I WAS ASTONISHED THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH RIGHT AWAY AFTER DIALING A WRONG NUMBER. I RECORDED WHAT I SAID. THERE HADN’T BEEN TIME TO LOCATE MY LISTENING DEVICE WHICH I LATER FOUND WRAPPED AROUND THE RECEIVER CORD.)
Q: Yes. The Warrens. (pause) Mark. (pause) Mark. (pause) From Los Angeles. (pause) It’s just clarifying the mystery of the L.A. cousin. (pause) Okay, thank you.
E: — and the girl was thrown out of the bed onto the floor. The Bible was torn from the mother’s hands, hit the wall, hit the floor and looked like a bunch of confetti. What in the world could do this? Nothing in this world. The father came home. He was beside himself. He didn’t know what to do. He called the family doctor. The doctor didn’t know what to do. And then the doctor called the police and the police didn’t know what to do. When that girl was brought to me three nights later, she looked as though she had been in a terrible accident. There were cuts, bruises, burns all over her body. And — questioning this child with her parents there and the priest — none of them had slept for three nights. And she was all covered with these bruises and cuts. I said, “What do you think happened here?” And at that moment, her eyes bugged out. She looked at one corner of my study and screamed that it was coming for her. She described it — which I won’t — to your listeners. Within seconds, Hilly, that little girl tried to go up on her toes, left the floor a few inches. The hair was torn right out of her scalp. Teeth marks appeared on her arms and legs with saliva. Now your listeners are probably thinking, “Boy, this guy tells a pretty good horror story.” This is all backed up with credible witnesses. We have had the church involved with it. And the girl was exorcised by three Roman Catholic priests. I’m sure that she’ll never pick up another Ouija Board. You know where the Ouija Board is actually manufactured? Salem, Massachusetts.
H: Hha, wow. Alright, listen, I’ve got all kinds of calls waiting for you here and we’re running out of time so let’s get to a caller. Let’s go to Los Angeles and talk to Mark. Good morning, Mark.
Q: Hi, Hilly.
H: Hi.
Q: I’m glad I was able to get through because I am the Warrens’ L.A. cousin. My Warren family line goes back to Abraham Warren though I don’t (“HH”) know if they know me. I did send them Email. Does Mark Russell Bell ring a bell with you two? (“INHOMENA”)
[2020 UPDATE: MY 2005 UPDATE AS FOLLOWS ALSO IS SPECULATIVE. THERE JUST ARE NO SIMPLE EXPLANATIONS SOMETIMES.]
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: [2005] I EVENTUALLY DETERMINED THAT “INHOMENA” IS MY OWN VOICE AFTER ALL – THE WORD FRAGMENT HAD BEEN CREATED BY HILLY ROSE OR A SHOW PRODUCER DELETING A PORTION OF MY CONVERSATION WHERE I MENTIONED MY WEBSITE ADDRESS AND I HADN’T BEEN AWARE THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WAS BEING UTILIZED AT THE TIME IN 1999. I CUSTOMARILY USED MY LISTENING DEVICE TO RECORD MY CALLS TO RADIO SHOWS BUT HADN’T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT ON THIS OCCASION. THUS, SOMETHING I SAID A FEW SECONDS LATER ABOUT “PHENOMENA” BECAME AMALGAMATED WITH WHAT I’D PREVIOUSLY SAID ON THE BROADCAST. FOR A WHILE IT HAD SEEMED TO ME THAT HEARING “INHOMENA” WAS A BIZARRE AND UNUSUAL CASE OF EVP WHEREIN THE TONALITY OF MY VOICE WAS ALMOST PERFECTLY AUGMENTED, A FORM OF EVP THAT I’D NEVER BEFORE EXPERIENCED. USUALLY THERE ARE DISTINCT TONALITY DIFFERENCES WITH EVP HEARD ON RECORDED MATERIAL AND RADIO BROADCASTS.)
H: Okay. Well apparently this is — the(y’re) — they’re not un — they don’t know you, Mark, so I want to move along to another call. Yeah, let’s go to Edward in Lakewood, Ohio. Hey, Edward? Wake up, Edward.
D: . . .
H: Good morning.
D: Good morning.
H: Yeah, you’re on the air.
D: Thank you. At the beginning of your program, your guests said something about there are various ways to go to God like Muslim, Judaism and Christianity. That is refuted by Jesus Christ in John chapters 10 and 14 in the King James Bible and that’s all I called about.
H: Okay.
D: I just want to say that (“NO”) in our work we come across many different religions and I don’t think that Spirit draws a line on what religion that you happen to be in. And being Catholic doesn’t mean that we’re not going to help a Moslem or we’re not going to help some Jewish person. We’re going to help anyone whose religion teaches love of God and love of your fellow man. And I am not dumb enough to think that because I’m a Catholic that that’s the one and only true religion. There are many roads that lead to God and these were all the different religions that people practice in this world today.
H: Alright. Let’s go to Neal in Elko, Nevada. Good morning, Neal.
N: Hiya, Hilly. How’s it going, Ed and Lorraine?
L: Fine, thank you.
N: Yeah, I talked to the priest who investigated Amityville and he said that that was all hype except for the fact that Ronald DeFeo did kill his family and that’s the only thing that the story was based upon (“NO”) the truth from the book and I was wondering if you had any comments about that?
H: What priest did you talk to?
N: Well some priest in Amityville that runs the Catholic church —
H: Well if you don’t know the name of the priest then this is just a bunch of — you know, a lot of people claim that it’s a fake but these — the Warrens were in the house and I don’t want to get into that. We haven’t got time for it. Let’s go to Scott in Round Rock, Texas. Hi, Scott. Hello, Scott? Are you there, Scott?
S: Yes, I’m here.
H: Okay, you’re on the air. Go ahead.
S: Earlier you mentioned something about werewolves. I was wondering if they had any stories about that.
H: Oh sure they do.
L: Oh yes we do. We were involved in a case of lycanthropy, the only case actually that Ed and I have ever been able to document. A man in Southend-on-Sea, an area of London, England. And after full documentation of this case where he had attacked nurses, police officers and, oh, just so much regarding this case, he was successfully exorcised in this country. We brought him here to this country. He was institutionalized for evaluation and all. And he did suffer from possession of a wolf spirit.
H: Okay, let’s — thank you for that. Let’s move along here to Sandy in Carbon Cliff, Ohio. Hi, Sandy.
Y: Hi. It’s Illinois.
H: Oh is it Illinois? Well it’s close enough.
Y: Yeah, it’s just across here . . . the (“SHIT”) Mississippi than from the — east to the west, the north . . .
H: Well wherever —
Y: Kind of a unique place.
H: Wherever you may be, happy Halloween and what’s on your mind?
Y: The Ouija Board. I had a confrontation with — well not a confrontation. I was trying to explain to a younger girl of age 14 . . . that it is a dangerous item and I at one time had used one — age 13 with my sister. And didn’t like it. A second time didn’t like it. And then left it as an ornament sitting just in a room thinking maybe a decoration — it’s cute to look at. And one evening—I believe it would be like a dark shadow, which I’ve heard other people mention on the Art Bell show—did come and I took the thing and tossed it in the ravine, thinking, “Never again.” And that was the end of it. Was that the end of it as far as a tender conscience that I may have yet of it?
L: No. In other words that is why I mentioned that nothing may happen at the given time when you’re using it but then when you are in a particular vulnerable space that’s when things can happen.
Y: Yeah it was . . . a year or two later. I tossed it.
L: Well the best thing to do with a Ouija Board is to bury the board. (“IF YOU WANT”) If you are of Christian faith then get holy water, bless yourself and make the sign of the cross in the dirt over it. Don’t throw it away, don’t burn it and don’t break it up.
Y: Well can I go to the — years and years ago when I tossed it. I mean I’m near forty now.
L: Well I think . . .
Y: . . . left open through the dirt there.
L: Beg pardon?
Y: Could there be something left open in the dirt because of the square board?
L: Well I think if nothing has happened since, you’re pretty free of it.
Y: Yeah. But it was just, you know, like I said earlier tonight, these girls had it. I said, “Oh please, don’t play with it.” (“NO”)
H: Okay. Thank you Sandy for the call. Lorraine, I don’t understand. A Ouija Board, after all, is just a manufactured board and maybe some wooden blocks. (“SO”) You know, couldn’t you just talk to this entity without the board and get the same result?
E: Yes.
L: Yes, you can. You definitely can. People do it with an upside down wine glass actually on a shiny surface. It isn’t the board. It’s what you are doing. You are communicating with spirits. You are opening doors to that spirit world and where do you think your answers are coming from?
H: So the board really just focuses attention or focuses you? Is that what —
L: It does. Yes, it does. It’s a means of communication.
E: The reason, (“HI”) Hilly, that we say to bury it is so that somebody won’t pick it up out of an ashcan and start using it. The board itself has no meaning. It’s only a piece of wood with letters and numbers on it. It’s the communication that you’re trying to bring about through that board that has the meaning.
H: Let’s go to Alexander in Lamar, Missouri. Good morning, Alexander.
A: Well thank you very much . . .
H: Speak up please.
A: Can you hear me better?
L: No.
H: Not really. You have to talk right into your phone.
A: Have been.
H: There you go. That’s better.
A: My ques(tion) —
H: Okay
A: Thank you. You know, I want to allude to what the gentleman earlier said about — he was quoting chapters from John and being a Catholic and not able to reach God. And I question that indeed. And I’d happily would like to hear a follow-up on that. Plus, I’d like to ask another question, if possible.
H: Well what follow-up do you want? I mean I — you know, I don’t argue the Bible on this program because that’s self-defeating. So . . .
A: Well I don’t want you to do — the gentleman earlier was alluding —
H: Yeah, I know what he said but move on to your next question. I’m out of time here so what’s your question? Because you say you had another question.
A: I do have another question. Actually, I have more than one but if I could ask one, that would be great.
H: Go ahead.
A: Um — (pause)
H: Well I haven’t got the time. I’ve got a lot of people waiting. I’m sorry. Let’s go to Gary in Montreal, Canada. Hi, Gary. Good morning to you.
G: Yes, hi. Good evening.
H: You’re our final caller if you’re quick. Go ahead.
G: Okay. I would just like to ask your guests in the cases of exorcism I know normally it’s Catholic priests who are involved. Is there ever any other religions like Protestant ministers or rabbis that get involved in this?
E: Every type religion in the world today has the rituals of exorcism in them.
G: Really?
E: If we go into a Jewish home, we bring a rabbi. If we go into a Moslem home, we being a Moslem . . . (unknown word). We go into a Catholic Christian home, we bring a priest or a minister. So they all have their exorcists yet.
G: Really?
L: Um-huh.
G: I’m just wondering —
L: We worked with the leading Buddhist exorcist in Japan.
G: Is that right?
L: A man who was a very holy and pious man to work with and was very successful in casting out.
G: Really?
L: Yes.
G: And can I ask one more question?
H: Quickly. Yeah. Quickly.
G: Okay. Do you find that in a lot of societies and religions that the mainstream society kind of rejects the idea of possession or exorcism and so on?
E: No, I don’t think they reject it. I think that today we’re getting so much evidence and proof that something preternatural, unnatural is happening to these people besides schizophrenia, the Tourette syndrome so that, you know, we look for outward manifestation — things that are not normal, not natural: a pillow lifting up in the air, a person talking in a language that they never have studied. These are all the evidence of outward manifestation that we must have as far as a criteria (for) possession is concerned.
H: Ed, you’ve used that word “preternatural” before. I’m not sure I understand the meaning. What is it?
E: Okay. Preternatural we consider coming from the evil side. Supernatural coming from the side of God. In other words, a vision from the loved one such as a wife or a husband is not considered preternatural, supernatural and is considered something that’s beautiful. Where you have a diabolical haunting, something like maybe exorcism, that’s considered preternatural.
H: Alright. I really appreciate — I know that you both are very busy and you’ve taken time and stayed up late for us and so we very, very much appreciate it. Where are we going with this? I’ve got about two minutes here. Where are we going with this in terms of — I mean it’s one thing to deal with it as you have over many, many years. Are we opening any minds? Are we able to compete — not compete but are — I guess what I’m really asking here is so now that you’ve had a lifetime of working in this area, should we be concerned? Are we —
L: Um-huh.
H: — cracking — we should be concerned?
L: Yes, we should. What we are doing to college audiences across this country, in Canada, in the United Kingdom, is bringing a warning how easy it is to open doors to that occult world; how very difficult it is to close them.
E: In other words, don’t use Ouija Boards, don’t hold seances, don’t go into any kind of occult practices. If you want to learn about the supernatural, go to church.
H: Alright. I really appreciate it. Happy Halloween to you and —
L: Happy Halloween to you and our prayers are with you, Hilly.
H: Thank you so very much.
E: Thank you very much, Hilly.
H: Yeah. (Or “YEAH”) Bye-bye now. (“NOW THAT’S”) Ed and Lorraine Warren of the New England Society for Psychic Research. Once again, their website well worth your visit—especially at a time like this—is www.warrens.net and, again, you can just go to the website www.hillyrose.com and just run down to where we list all the guests and just you can hit the link and that will take you to the Warrens. And there — (“NO”) we didn’t really have the time to get into Annabelle which I said earlier is the most frightening of all the stories in my view. And, of course, there are some interesting explanations at the end of the story. That’s all on the Warrens’ website. And, of course, the Warren Occult Museum — they talk about that and some of the items that are in there. The — hha. (“SOME”) Some weird things going on, folks. You think the Art Bell show talks about the strange — ain’t nothing stranger. So on “Hilly’s Holloweenie Weekend,” we will continue at the top of the hour — continue to talk about ghosts but you’ll hear the voices of the ghosts themselves. (“HI”) Hilly Rose for Art Bell.
V: News Radio 600 KOGO.
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(bumper music is Bernard Herrmann’s score for Hitchcock’s “Psycho”)
R: This is “Coast to Coast AM” with special guest host Hilly Rose on the Premiere Radio Networks.
(broadcast of unattributed sounds/unintelligible spirit voices)
H: Whooo. That’s a ghost voice. It was recorded — well we’ll find out where it was recorded and how. But it is the voice of a ghost and as far as this is ghost night after talking to the Warrens for a couple of hours — and we’ll be talking to the folks from the Ghost Investigators Society in these next two hours so it’s sort of ghost night. . . .
B: I would like to say that this is an old station. It’s now a museum and they — during both world wars a lot of bodies of soldiers were returned through this station. It was a major hubbub during the Golden Spike era. It linked up to the railroad for the East and the West Coast. And it was a major train station at one time. And my husband and I were conducting an investigation in this railroad station. There’s been a lot of activity reported there from the people that work there. And we were looking through our infrared cameras into what they call now the Grand Gallery. And there’s a substation, a sub-police station that’s there now. And I was the only female there that night and my husband was there with me. And the door opened from the substation and these three police officers — these male police officers walked out and I recorded on my audio tape and my video camera this voice. I don’t know if — can you play it now?
H: Sure. Let’s hear the voice now that she recorded at Union Station.
(recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
(repeat/recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: AFTER EXTENSIVE TRANSCRIBING EXPERIENCE, MY TECHNIQUE IS TO LISTEN TO THE RECORDED SOUNDS AND/OR VOICES IN MOMENTARY BITS, REWIND, LISTEN, REWIND, LISTEN AGAIN, UNTIL I HAVE CONSIDERED DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. SINCE PUBLISHING THE FIRST EDITION OF TESTAMENT, I USUALLY MAKE NO NOTE OF ACCOMPANYING UNATTRIBUTED SOUNDS. THE SPIRIT MESSAGE ABOVE TAPED FROM THE BROADCAST WAS MOST CLEAR ON THE TAPE RECORDER I PURCHASED AT THE COUNTER SPY SHOP IN BEVERLY HILLS: A MODIFIED PANASONIC MICROCASSETTE RECORDER UTILIZING EARPHONES FOR BOTH EARS. I ALSO USE A DICTAPHONE VOICE PROCESSOR TAPE RECORDER AND TRANSCRIBING MACHINE WHILE TRANSCRIBING.)
H: No, I’m not quite understanding what was being said, Barbara. What do you think that means? (“IT”)
B: It asked us, “What are you doing in here?”
H: Okay.
B: And right after — it’s a voice that shouldn’t have been there. I was the only female there and —
H: You keep stressing that. Why is that important?
B: Because it was a female voice that spoke.
H: And because — they’re saying, “Why is this female here?” You were the only female.
B: Yes, I was the only female in there.
H: So you were out of place and this ghost is saying to you, “What are you doing here?”
B: I think that the ghost came out with the police officers when they opened the door. I think she was in there with them. We —
H: Listen — now that we understand this story, let’s just play that again so we can clarify it in our minds.
B: Okay.
H: Let’s hear it now.
(repeat/recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
(repeat/recorded sound and voices: something striking metal or wood/clanging sound “HILLY” “GO ON” blip “HERE”)
H: Okay, go ahead. I — I did — it’s obviously clearer to me. Now that I know what it is that’s being said, I can hear it.
B: Right on our tape recorder when we were relistening to it when we got home, when the ghost said that, one of the male officers asked the exact question which I thought was kind of odd. The exact words: “What are you doing in here?” And we told them that we were ghost investigators and we were conducting an investigation there. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder during 12:30 a.m. program break) Well it just shows how people interpret messages in different ways because that message sure sounded different to me what it was saying. . . .
H: Returning now to the Ghost Investigators Society, Barbara McBeth and Brendan Cook are with us. I have a fax her and I want to make something clear. I asked the folks at the GIS, Ghost Investigators Society, to do the voices twice. In other words, play the voice and little pause and then play it again so you have an opportunity to really hear it. Now (or “NOW”) I have this fax, folks, from David Foxworthy in which he says, “Please ask Brendan and Barbara why the ghost in the recordings takes a breath to speak. One would think that speech for a spirit would have no resemblance of lungs and a pharynx for communication if it was a spirit. Because they are breathing to communicate, what is it and why?” Is that (a) pause that we put in there, do you think or is he referring to something else because I haven’t studied these voices like you have.
C: What it would be is when we had transferred the voice onto computer and had sent you the voice, there was a male voice that speaks right after you hear the lady. And we had to cut him out because he . . . (faint word hard to make out) — he makes it sound completely different.
B: One of the officers.
H: Oh I see. Not another ghost. It was just —
B: No, it was an officer that started to ask the same question.
H: So it really — the ghosts are not breathing. (“TH”) We’re not getting a — they’re not taking a breath to say what they’re saying.
C: No. Uh-uh. (“YEAH”)
H: Okay —
B: Although we have recorded what does sound like breathing. And I — (“N”) we’ve asked that same question ourselves. I recorded a voice one time that — it sounded like it was taking in a long drawn-in breath and then told us to get out. And you can hear it starting to breathe in and I can’t explain that. (“BUT”) They do make that sound.
H: (beginning last hour of show) On our “Holloweenie [SIC] Weekend” this is the only hour that I have reserved for your participation with telling me about tricks and treats: tricks that you might’ve done, treats that you might’ve done. (laughs) And spooky stories that you might know. I just — this is the only hour because of the whole ten hours of the Halloween weekend that we’re doing, this is the only hour I reserved for that. And so we’ll get to your phone calls in just a minute but I believe it’s particularly appropriate for me to retell a story that I have told you before. The guests in the last hour mentioned the Raudive tapes. Raudive was a Latvian engineer and he devised this system of having a tape recorder and saying, “Is anybody there?” Then he’d walk out of the room and come back later and play the tape. And it would — there would be voices. There would be responses to questions that were asked. Now I used to play these tapes on the air. I was on a — number of years ago on a very large — one of the largest radio stations in America, big 50,000-watt boomer all over the United States and that was in the days before satellite so we had this huge audience all across the country. And one time I decided to play some music from the Raudive tapes. They had said, “Is there music in the other world?” And they came back and found this music which was like gongs. And I played it on the air. And what happened was that this radio station which was part of the Civil Defense System and you remember how important that was years ago. This station that was part of it — in fact, it was the lead station because it was heard everywhere in the United States. It went off the air. And the auxiliary transmitter went off the air. And the auxiliary power went out. Now you’ve got to understand. The lights did not go out in the studio but all of the transmission equipment went out — went out for about ten seconds. And there had to be a big investigation. The government had to investigate and so the FCC came in and the Civil Defense people came in. Everybody came in to investigate this thing and six months later they issued a report in which they said that this radio station that had been on the air for fifty years, never been off the air for a minute — at the precise second that I played the Raudive tapes, this music from the other world, at that precise moment a piece of dust got on a condenser and knocked the transmitters off the air. Now friends you can believe that if you want but I have always long thought that what was happening here is what we were talking about in the preceding hour. Somehow the other world is on FM, we’re on AM (“O”) — we’re on different frequencies. And so when we tried to play back over our broadcasting system this music, it knocked us off the air. So I said to management, “Okay, so it’s only a piece of dust that got on the condenser. Not a big deal. So tonight I’ll play those — that music again.” And they looked me straight in the eye and they said, “You play that music again and you’re fired.” (small laugh) Oh talk about your closed minds. Wouldn’t it have been wonderful if somebody had spent some money to investigate what that was all about? Well — didn’t happen and here we are still talking about it. (“BUT”) Have we at least opened your mind to the possibility that ghosts do exist? That there is life after death? And wouldn’t it be comforting to know that? Maybe some day. . . .
Q: (observations made the following day) In thinking about the Warrens as I transcribe my earlier tape sides, it’s only too evident that people make choices in what they believe. In the Warrens’ case, attributing so much to the power of evil, you can see some motivation for them not wanting to take my case and use it to help them interpret events they’ve experienced. No one wants to admit they’ve made a mistake. I’ve made many, many mistakes but I didn’t know I was making them at the time just as I’m sure the Warrens don’t know when they make incorrect interpretations or mistakes. I mean obviously they’re benefitting off of interpreting what they don’t understand as purely an evil force. There is evil in this world. But the power of goodness is stronger. I sent my “Edgar Cayce and Nostradamus Prophecies Fulfilled” (press release) to the Warrens on August 2nd. It has to be very clear. Perhaps I should send them the expanded press release. I note here that it wasn’t the expanded version that I sent so maybe that will make it a little bit easier. This one dated August 2nd didn’t have the information about movies and television shows distracting us. And, of course, right now, as I remember seeing at their website, a film is in pre-production: The Demonologist of course. So their predicament is do they continue exploiting the unexplained even though it doesn’t create enlightenment in the world or do they say this is what’s really going on, this is how we really need to evolve. So I plan to send new Email to the Warrens, copying Hilly, and just say “Expanded Press Release (Does This Help?)”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING AFTER SENDING THE EMAIL TO THE WARRENS WITH A CC: TO HILLY ROSE.)
Subject: automated responseDate: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:06:00 -0800From: “Hilly Rose” <hrose@t2.premrad.com>To: markrussellbell@earthlink.net
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