RADIO CALL — TAPE #768, SIDE #2
Q: Mark Russell Bell
S: Will Hilliard, “Coast to Coast AM” screener
G: George Noory, host of “Coast to Coast AM”
C: unidentified caller from South Bend, Indiana
U: second unidentified caller
I: Rick, caller from Omaha, Nebraska
K: Keith Rowland, “Coast to Coast AM” promo
P: promo spokesman
R: Ross Mitchell, “Coast to Coast AM” taped announcement
S: Thank you for calling “Coast to Coast AM.” Can you hold, please?
G: . . . for passenger jetliners. Now these are according to Israeli media reports. Officials started looking at an anti-missile system in the . . .
S: Thank you for holding. I need your first name.
Q: It’s Mark.
S: What is it?
S: Mark, when was the last time you were on the show?
Q: Must be three months or so.
S: Yeah. An(d) I’ve decided you’re not getting on tonight either.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE LINE WAS DISCONNECTED SO I PUSHED MY PHONE’S REDIAL BUTTON. I ALWAYS CALL USING MY FAX MACHINE PHONE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE BEST AUDIO QUALITY FOR RECORDING.)
S: Thank you for calling “Coast.”
Q: What’s your name?
S: My name is none of your business, you understand?
Q: Well I think if you have the — enough guts to hang up on me, you can at least give me your name. If you have enough guts.
S: No. You’re not getting on because you’re a jerk.
Q: Well you’re — (“WELL”)
S: That’s why.
Q: — I’m sorry but I’m just — I have — I have freedom of speech in United States of America. (“I”) I —
S: And you’re interrupting with my hearing because I have the right not to hear you. And that’s my right.
Q: Well what is the rea(son) —
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE LINE WAS DISCONNECTED AGAIN SO I AGAIN PUSHED MY PHONE’S REDIAL BUTTON.)
S: “Coast to Coast AM.”
Q: I’m just telling you I’m not a jerk and I just wanted to find out why I’m —
S: . . . yes you are.
Q: — why I’m being screened from the show? The jerk calls are the more — more interesting than the stuff you usually have on.
S: I’m sorry but —
Q: The jerk calls are more inter —
S: . . . the last time you were — you were on, you were a jerk to me. You were a jerk to the other — the other screener so —
Q: No, that was the time before last.
S: Whatever. But — and I told you that I was . . .
Q: I was not a jerk.
S: I wasn’t going to let you get on. I don’t care if you’re not a jerk or you’re a jerk.
Q: Okay well — you know — all — all of the transcripts —
S: You were a jerk — don’t interrupt me. I’ll just hang up on you.
Q: Well I just want to know who’s hanging up on me because it’s your show. It’s not —
S: Let’s discuss this right now. I’ll tell you wh(en) — when I — when I feel like it. Now when you are a jerk (“DD TT”) to us, we — (“WE’RE A”) we’re in turn being a jerk to you . . .
Q: Well I — how was I a jerk to you? I was just telling you my side of the story.
S: I don’t care about your side of the story. When you’re a jerk to us, that’s it. That’s the — (“YOU”) you have to get through us to get on to the show. . . .
Q: Well then you don’t have “open lines.”
S: This is “open lines” but when you’re a jerk —
Q: It’s not “open lines.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE LINE WAS DISCONNECTED AGAIN SO I AGAIN PUSHED MY PHONE’S REDIAL BUTTON.)
S: You’re not going to get on.
Q: Well I know but I’m just trying to —
S: Call all the time you want. And I don’t care who you are, what you do. I don’t really give a crap. My —
Q: Well I had a contemporary Christmas Angel anecdote that I wanted to share.
S: I — I — I’m going to give you a different number. I’m going to give you a different number.
S: Call (gives number) —
Q: Wait, I have to write — get — (“HOL”) okay five four one —
S: I’ll even wait. My name — okay, my name is Will.
Q: Okay. That’s what I thought.
S: . . . You can report that t(o) — t(o) — to whoever you want. But this is (gives number).
Q: Um-Huh. Yeah.
S: And you tell them that I was a jerk to you and you report it. That’s fine with me. It doesn’t really matter. But you’re not getting on and you can tell them whatever you want but that’s my — my comment to you is you’re not getting on.
Q: Well what if I were to apologize to you for my past behavior? Would that help?
S: What was that?
Q: Would i(t) (or “WOULD I[T]”) — if I apologized to you for my past behavior, would that help?
S: Hold on.
G: . . . (gives number), the wild card line (gives number), and the special topic line for those of you who want to give me a little advice about interviewing the Antichrist (gives number). That’s (repeats number), that line only for those of you to talk about the Antichrist. Now I’ll also let you know that next Wednesday, New Year’s Day, we’ll have some new phone numbers to give you. The toll-free numbers will remain the same but I’ll be giving you new numbers for the first time caller line, the wild card line and the special topic line and possibly the international line as well. So make sure you make a note of that when I give you those numbers when we start brand new on New Year’s Day. I’m George Noory. Back in a moment on “Coast to Coast AM.” (commercial segue is lightning sound effect) Every emergency agency recommends that you have a battery-operated radio and a flashlight in your home at all times. If an ice storm —
S: Okay, Mark?
S: Just — just don’t be a jerk on — on the air.
Q: I won’t.
S: Make sure you get to your topic. If you discuss what we’ve talked about, (“NO”) I’m going to bleep you out and take you out and then you’re never going to get on.
Q: I promise.
S: Okay. Now just, (“DD”) you know, just don’t be a jerk to the screeners. We do screen calls.
Q: No, well (or “NO WELL”) that one time I was upset because I had made a misstatement on the previous show. And I was calling back just to clarify my own statements.
S: Okay. Let me put you on hold and we’ll get you on the line, okay?
Q: Okay, thank you.
S: What — what do you want to talk about, anyway?
Q: I have a contemporary update of the Christmas — I have a Christmas angel anecdote less than one week old.
S: Okay. Hold on. (commercials continue)
G: And welcome back to “Coast to Coast.” I’m George Noory in for Art Bell tonight. Here’s another Email and, by the way, if you want to Email me now, the new Email address is firstname.lastname@example.org. The link-up no longer works with Art Bell’s website because that one is going down so this one will work for you: email@example.com. And, as I told you, the new website is up and, you know, I’d appreciate any feedback you might have. Just send it along: (“DO[N’T]”) the firstname.lastname@example.org. Tell Lex what you like, what you don’t like. We’ll make some adjustments. You know, this is, (“YEAH”), a great-looking website. I’ve gotten some tremendous response on it. But, you know what, change is change. And some of you may not adapt quickly. Some of you may love it. But you give us your feedback and we’ll work on some of those things. I want to make that the best website out there and, believe me, every concern, thought that you might have, we’ll look at each one, okay? This one: “George, Love the show but I have a habit of falling asleep fully dressed with the lights on after the program. I did just that when I lived in North Hollywood a few years ago. I woke up in the middle of my sleep. I was paralyzed. I could only move my eyes. What I saw hovering over me scared the hell out of me. It appeared to be some old woman with wrinkled skin, wild black hair, wearing an old tattered dress floating above me with her arms stretched out. She was trying to get me. I later found out that this must have been one of those ‘hags’ trying to do something horrible to me. I believe that this story actually occurred to me. It was not a dream. If any of your listeners have had this kind of encounter with a hag in the wee hours”—hmm—”let me know.” And that’s a victim out there in Los Angeles. Let’s go to the calls. First-time caller, welcome to “Coast to Coast,” you are on the air. Hi, there.
C: Hey, how’s it going?
G: Doing well. Where are you calling from?
C: Calling from South Bend, Indiana, listening to you on WCT.
G: Welcome to the program. What’s up?
C: Well I heard your original opening thing about whether you should interview the Antichrist.
G: What do you think about that?
C: Well I’m — I wouldn’t consider myself extremely religious. I believe — you know, I have all the beliefs that everybody has.
C: The one thing that I did read that kind of puts it a little bit into perspective is the Left Behind series.
C: You familiar with that?
G: By Mr. LaHay.
C: Yes. And —
G: He’s very good.
C: He’s very impressive and it’s very descriptive. And I’d have to agree with your — your Email person. You do that — I mean somebody’s going to eventually end up doing it but what you don’t want to do is you don’t want to give someone a platform if it is indeed that person to step out and begin their reign.
G: How will we ever know? How will we ever know if this person or 20 other people like him down the line indeed might be the Antichrist?
C: You just have to have faith.
G: But you don’t think he should be interviewed, huh? (“I”)
C: I don’t think he should be given the platform. I mean he’s already — I mean all — all the wheels are already in motion. What’s going to happen is going to happen. But for him to — for you to be the first stepping stone and such, I — I don’t feel that —
G: Okay, well that’s what I want to find out. I want to find out from you whether you think I should interview this person whom Kathleen Keating believes is indeed —
C: Did she actually name that person on the show?
G: Yes. Yes. She — she — she names him on her website. I am not going to name him yet until I get a little bit more information about him. I’m not going to come across and say, “This guy is the Antichrist.”
C: Right, I understand.
G: Because I don’t know that. Thanks for your call. Appreciate it.
C: What was her website?
C: Okay, George. (“YEAH”) Thanks a lot. I —
C: I listen to you every night and I think you’re great.
G: Great. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Next up, let’s go to our special line set up to find out if I should interview the Antichrist. Welcome to “Coast to Coast.” Hi there.
U: Hey, how are you doing, George?
U: You know, from my personal standpoint, I would’nt. I know you being a journalist, that would probably be a good highlight (in your) career but on the (“NO”) recap of what the guy from Southbend said, I’d only think the person who would be the Antichrist would actually know if he is. You see what I’m saying?
G: Well I know but, you know, career-wise, it may not be a great career move. I could go down in a ball of flames literally.
U: Well — yeah. Or that. That’s the chance you’ve got to take.
G: I might be one of the few broadcasters broadcasting from the pits of hell, for all I know, you know?
U: You know, that — it’s just wherever it goes which way, you know. (“YEAH”) As far as me, you know, I’d — you know, I do read the Bible and I’ve seen the Left Behind series. (“NO”) Coming from the Southern bayous of Louisiana, I might be Cajun but that’s one guy I want to have a cordial conversation with.
G: Do you think you could be — (“LL”) let’s assume the individual is the Antichrist.
G: Do you think — do you think if you’re listening to that program that you could be influenced by whatever he says?
U: Oh yeah. I mean he’s a mastermind of lies and deceit. (“I[F]”) Bible clearly (“NO”) states that. He will be, you know, a — a deceiver. Master of lies.
G: See, Miss Keating —
U: The father of lies.
G: Miss Keating is concerned that he can literally use the airwaves to get through to everybody’s minds.
U: That’s what Hit(ler) —
G: That’s kind of scary.
U: That’s what Hitler did in Germany. He kept telling lies over the airwaves enough, you know, like propaganda? (“NN” “YEAH”) Saddam Hussein does that right now. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he did do that on — and on TV.
G: Man, that’s kind of a — kind of a scary thought. Let’s find out. Next up, wild card caller, welcome to “Coast to Coast.” Hi, there.
Q: Hi George?
I: Good evening.
G: Yes sir.
I: I wanted to make a — a comment. They told me I could not use my last name and I will — I will honor that because I guess —
G: No. Use — use your first. And where are you calling from?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE [9-24-04]: I HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY INTERNATIONAL SPACE AGENCY ATTORNEYS REGARDING THIS CALLER THAT “THE PERSON WHO AIRED WAS NOT MR. DOBSON NOR WAS THIS INFORMATION DONE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE AGENCY ORGANIZATION.”)
I: Yes, I’m Rick from Omaha, Nebraska. I’m the founder and director of the International Space Agency.
I: And I was calling to make a comment on your reference earlier in the evening about the European Space Agency and their ambitions to go to Mars here by 2020.
G: Yes. 2025 actually.
I: Yeah. 2025. Well actually you have on the air the person who has been negotiating with the Europeans for many years. (“N”) Actually since about 1996 when most of the major — ’94 to ’96 is when a lot of major meetings in Washington occurred.
I: And at — at that point we had Russia, Europe, China, Japan — all the world’s nations were ready to sign the charter of the International Space Agency. And at the time the head of NASA—who basically was controlled by the Department of Defense and their cronies—completely not only undermined the effort for the International Space Agency but they — they basically destroyed me. I was in the military at the time. They destroyed my military career and they destroyed the International Space Agency project. And when — when that occurred, the Americans decided all of a sudden to let the Russians become part of the International Space Station because they were threatened by the growing support for the International Space Agency.
G: So they wanted to team up with somebody so they picked Russia?
I: No. No, they didn’t want to team up. They — they simply wanted to squash the growing support for the Internatinal Space Agency. So when they brought the Russians aboard, they appeased the Russian — the Russians have wan(ted) (“AA”) — have been wanting to go to Mars for many years. But now the Russians are working with Europeans and the Chinese.
G: How come the Russians never went to the Moon?
I: Well the Russians when — when their program failed — of course, you know they had a vehicle that was similar in size to the Apollo vehicle.
I: But they were having problems with their control system. So all their tests equivalent to the Apollos all crashed. So it was such a — a failure for the Russians that they just gave up. But the point I wanted to make, just really quick, about the 2025 on the European is I just met with a congressman — wh (or “WH”) — about two weeks ago on this very issue. And I told the congressman that I will not mention his name because I guess — because this is not an official interview. I won’t do that but I told the congressman straight up that if America does not get off their high horse, not only is the International Space Station project going to fail and all the partners, the Russians and Europeans will pull out. And they will do it on their own. But it’ll totally devastate the American space program and —
G: Well yeah but here’s — here’s my question. Why doesn’t the United States want to get involved with the Europeans and spread the risk and the cost around?
I: The problem with the American space program is since probably the late ’70s/early ’80s, they’ve been totally controlled by Department of Defense and NASA has just been a civilian space program — basically is smoke and mirrors.
G: Well I can believe that.
I: When — when the — in the early ’80s the U.S. military was supposed to have their own space launch facility and Congress axed all the funding for that.
G: Yeah but (“WHA”) — but what does this (“MONEY”) have to do with not shaking hands with the Europeans and saying, “Let’s just go to Mars together”?
I: Because the people that are running NASA today — I’m not talking about the ground ro(ot) — gr(ass) — grassroots NASA people. The grassroots NASA people are not happy with NASA management as it is. And many of them have threatened to branch off and go into the commercial or private sector just to get access to space. So it — it’s the upper management of NASA. The NASA people want to work with the other countries but unfortunately the upper management of NASA has blocked that.
I: And the bureaucracy of the Pentagon.
G: It’s always the bureaucracy, isn’t it? Stick with me. More of your phone calls. I’m George Noory in for Art Bell tonight. This is “Coast to Coast AM.”
You know I need your love You’ve got that hold over me As long as I got your love You know that I’ll never leave When I wanted you to share my life I had no doubt in my mind That it’s been you woman Right down the line . . .
(“Right Down The Line” performed by Gerry Rafferty)
K: Hi, everyone. This is Keith Rowland, webmaster for artbell.com. And, you know, we’re all sorry to hear that Art Bell’s retiring and I’m sorry to say the artbell.com website is going to be going away too and the information that I’ve collected over the years: the ghosts, the UFOs, the aliens — they’re not being transferred to the new site. So I put together a collector’s edition compact disk that’s going to capture the website on that last night of the show and save it for you. You can get the entire website contents plus stuff from the previous websites we’ve done over the years. You can get everything I’ve collected for the site and things that I’ve not been able to post. The CD is going to include a farewell message from Art and each disk is going to be serial numbered. You’re also going to get a little “Wacky, Wild Web CD” that I put together of lots of great, cool stuff on there. And I’ve even got a high security disk full of information on computer security and the Internet. So go to artbell.com, look for the banner ad so look on the left side menu and you’ll see “Official CD-ROM.” Click it and you’ll get all the information you need. So get the CD-ROM before it’s too late at artbell.com posted by intermedia.net.
P: And now we return to the continuing saga of J.C. on “Coast to Coast AM.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I STOPPED RECORDING AT THIS POINT TO LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM ON THE TAPE SIDE FOR MY CONVERSATION, CONTINUING TO TAPE THE BROADCAST ON MY RADIO CASSETTE RECORDER. IN COMPARING THE TWO TAPES, SOME OF GEORGE’S COMMENTS THAT OVERLAPPED MINE WERE NOT AUDIBLE DURING THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION, LEADING ME TO THINK THAT THIS IS A RESULT OF CURRENT BROADCASTING TECHNOLOGY.)
Do you know where you’re going to? Do you like the things that life is showing you? Where are you going to? Do you know? Do you get what you’re hoping for? When you look Behind you there’s no open doors What are you hoping for? Do you know? Once we were standing still in time Chasing the fantasies that filled our minds You knew how I loved you but my spirit was free Laughing at the questions that you once asked of me . . .
(“Do You Know Where You’re Going To? [Theme From ‘Mahogany’]” performed by Diana Ross)
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G: At the top of the hour my guest will be Sean David Morton. We’re going to take Sean’s predictions for next year. And, by the way, get yourself a jumpstart by going to artbell.com under “Program” — “Tonight’s Guest.” You can link up with Sean David Morton’s website and look at some of the many things that he has under the Delphi Associates. There are only a few days left for the Art Bell Gift Store so I want you to be able to take advantage of that if you would. There’s a toll-free phone number: (gives number). Or you can also order online on Art’s website artbell.com. On the left hand side, “Gift Center” is there. You may click that on and just fire away. What’s he selling? Well T-shirts, hats, mugs, you name it, it’s part of the Art Bell Gift Store. They won’t be around for a long time. A matter of fact, only a couple more days left so take advantage of that. And then let me tell you about the After Dark Newsletter. The January issue is out right now and that is my first editorial and I titled it “Art Bell Was Right.” You can order that by going to (gives number). That’s (gives number) — and order a subscription where you get 14 issues for the price of 12 of After Dark. (commercials) Welcome back to “Coast to Coast.” I’m George Noory. Here’s one of those bizarre stories. In England a man has a walking stick but he had it made out of his own hip bone. His name is Ian Sutherland. He asked doctors to save the bone when he had a hip replacement. He’s 62 years old. He’s a retired landscaper. He got the idea for the stick from one of his sons who happens to be an archaeologist. This is what he says: “I’m really pleased with it. It’s great to find a practical use for a discarded part of your own body and it serves as a reminder of my own mortality.” He said the doctors gave him the bone as he recovered from the operation. It was sealed in a bag marked hazardous waste. When I got home I simply popped it in the fridge next to the frozen peas. He said his wife was horrified. I think she secretly suspects that I’m a little weird. Nahhh. Not at all. He’s walking around with a walking stick made out of his own hip. Back to the calls. Let’s go West of the Rockies, you are on “Coast to Coast.” Welcome to the program. Hi.
Q: Good evening, George.
G: Good evening to you.
Q: I have a contemporary update of a Christmas Angel story.
G: All right. And where are you calling from.
Q: From Los Angeles, where else?
G: Okay, great. Go ahead.
Q: This is less than one week old.
Q: The days before, I’d been reminding people at work that Christmas is not just a material occasion and people were nice. (“I”) I don’t exchange gifts like they do. Someone said that my presence at the party was my gift so —
G: (small laugh) Probably.
Q: Anyway, come the weekend I was taking my mother out shopping. So rather impulsively I decided to pick up a few things for my wealthy brother and his family. I was ration(alizing) —
G: Very wealthy? Very wealthy brother?
Q: I think so —
Q: — by most standards. (“HH”) You know, house in Palm Springs, etc.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: ACTUALLY I THINK IT IS MORE CORRECT TO SAY THAT MY BROTHER WOULD BE RICH IF HIS PARTNER DIDN’T INFLUENCE HIM TO SPEND THE MONEY AS SOON AS, IF NOT BEFORE, THEY MADE IT. AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE LAVISH SPENDING, THEIR HOUSE IN PALM SPRINGS WAS REMODELED COMPLETE WITH MOTHER OF PEARL FLOOR TILES ALTHOUGH IN ITS FORMER CONDITION THE HOUSE HAD BEEN SEEN IN ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST. THEY ALSO CONTINUE TO RENT A HOUSE IN MANHATTAN BEACH THAT IS A SHORT WALK FROM THE OCEAN.)
G: Yeah, not bad.
Q: So, anyway, I rationalized that it — you know, it’s because they’re always very generous with their gift for me. But then later I was — I — first of all, I was noticing how many homeless people there were out on Ventura Boulevard. And then later that day I saw a quarter. And finding coins, of course, always gets me to think about — gets me to think (“ABOUT”) about what I’m doing and —
G: Okay, sure.
Q: — you know, most of the time you’re just operating on ‘automatic pilot.’ So I began thinking of the important uses that the money could be spent on, such as helping the environment or various other ways (“OF A”) helping people to expand their spiritual awareness. Anyway, I promised myself and I guess to God too that there would be no more wastes of money on trivial, frivolous things like — like that. I mean obviously what little thing I would buy them really wouldn’t mean very much to them. So a few minutes later I was passing by someone who was having a conversation and just exactly as I passed he said in a very matter-of-fact tone of voice, “You learn your lessons well.”
Q: It was just one of those spontaneous comments that you hear but it reminded me of —
G: What was he doing? Rea(ding) — (or “REA”) reading your mind or what?
Q: Well I think it’s more than just synchronicity because in the past I’ve had several experiences where I’ve — I almost had the same conversation with two different people in two separate places, going from one room to another. The same conversation. So I’m very aware that there is some kind of subconscious communication and if you start thinking about where thoughts come from, you see that this may be one of the methods used by the Superconscious Mind.
G: Maybe. Maybe.
Q: Of course, you don’t want to mistake people’s conscious ramblings for any kind of Superconscious communication. But I do think it’s important to remind ourselves—and I think that’s what events like this do—that every day really is Christmas if you understand and accept that God or Spirit or All That Is, whatever you want to call it, (“KR”) Christ Consciousness, He/She/They work through people’s subconscious minds to create opportunities. And then —
G: Well, you know, the — but (or “BUT”) what was so good about this is you walked past the guy that you think might have had this angelic experience and he planted the seed in your head to do something for the betterment of mankind and that’s good for you. Special — special topic (line disconnected) —
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Oh God. Did you hear what George was saying? He seems to be dismissing me as some kind of nut even though my position is totally explained at my website and it’s impossible for me to know how much anyone involved with the show has read of that. I was just beginning to say something very positive and I was cut off. I was going to say the question is whether and how an individual acts upon these thoughts when he — the line was disconnected. I guess after the last week and the week before — Ed Dames on Friday, Kathleen Keating on Christmas Eve and Christmas, and now Sean David Morton being very, very negative even though I must say what he had to say was refreshing about the political situation. Anyway, it makes me wonder exactly what exactly is going on with his (Morton’s) support team. And he obviously is well connected but yet he is free to say things against the Bushes’ administration, etc. Anyway, he’s still twisting his previous comments around to make it sound like he’s this amazing prophet when if you really look at exactly what he said, it isn’t impressive at all. Anyway, it’s business as usual on “Coast to Coast AM.”
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: HERE IS A COMMENT OF MORTON’S ON THE SHOW THAT I FOUND NOTEWORTHY.)
S: . . . I had been hoping and hoping against hope and — and praying to every — every angel I can imagine that — that this path that we are going down could somehow, someway be averted. And it’s literally gotten to the point of where the Constitution doesn’t matter, the will of the people really doesn’t matter. It’s basically just a — a group of (“AA”) insider super-wealthy governmental thugs that are going to do whatever the hell they want to do.
G: For whatever reason.
S: And — pardon me?
G: For whatever reason.
D: Well the reason is — “AA AA” I mean if you really want to look at it from the inner core. I mean let’s ta(ke) — let’s take the problem from the inside out. Let’s take the problem from the very inner core. You have a very small core group of people — of very, very wealthy individuals that control the military-industrial entertainment/infotainment complex. You know that, right? You know you’ve got about — you’ve got about — I think about 15 men at the inner core who control large groups. They meet every year or so — the outer name for — for one of these groups is called the Bilderbergers. It’s like 15 guys in the inner core. They have about 600 sycophants or so that are — that are presidents, prime ministers, politicians, senators, what-have-you, that come and meet every year and basically plot out world policy . . .
G: This is the Sha(dow) — this is the Shadow Government that we always hear about.
S: The Shadow Government, which is — which of interest, you know, pappy Bush Sr. was the first one to openly mention his new world order when he — when he took power back in — back in ’88/’89 and (“NO”) kid Bush is now openly the one talking about a Shadow Government, which is made up of about 75 of his friends, which by the way does not include anybody except the executive branch — only includes the executive branch; not the Senate, not the Congress, not the judiciary. One wonders if he’s already set this up and is bragging about how he’s going to — how he’s going to actually implement it at some point. And what’s going to come down with this — with his country. From the inner core, the bottom line is — is that we’re establishing the United States as — as an empire. We’re establishing the hegemony and control of the United States military all across the world using our — the massive waves of propaganda to basically Americanize the entire planet through music —
G: Well yeah but — but — but if we don’t do this, Sean — let me — let me be a Devil’s advocate for a moment. You — you’ve already said that China is going to do whatever they can to us.
S: Right. Right.
G: Look what North Korea is in the process of doing right now. I mean if — if we as a nation should simply sit back and let this all happen, where will we be in the next five years?
S: Well the — the idea here is — is that — is that we’re establishing basically a hegemony for the control of oil. The bottom line is (“THAT”) if you just do the math (“THAT”) we’re going to be pretty much out of oil within about 30 years or so. And the United States can’t survive — especially with — especially with an economy — a thriving economy. Nor we can — can we compete with the likes of China, etc., etc., unless we have control over a — a vast sum of oil. And, of course, Iraq is perfect. There’s about 300-billion barrels — the largest oil reserve in the world that’s already been in the process of being divided up by the large major oil companies: British Petroleum, Aramco, Unical, etc. that are actually going in — in and providing the prime motivation for this . . .
Q: So, under the circumstances, I think that Will Hilliard, one of the producers of the show—even though it’s hard to know on what level the word ‘producer’ applies here—was understanding and let me on the air. So I think I’m going to send him a copy of my book—because he was so nice—with a nice little comment attached. I wonder if my call communicated what I want it to about the anecdote showing the extent to which we’ve all been brainwashed that Christmas is something other than a spiritual holiday? My gift to others really is a spiritual one and yet if I can forget about my purpose and what I would like to help people understand, it just shows how distracting it is living in this materialistic society. I mean, of course, the transcript I ended up giving Michael and Steve is far more valuable than any material item. And all the lessons of the season. How many people gave others unhealthy things to eat this holiday season when food is meant to be simple sustenance? And yet it’s so easy to forget these truths in our day to day lives and so easy to forget our callings, our beliefs and morality.
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Q: Now if Art had been the host of the show, I bet he would have asked me some kind of question concerning some of the things he’s been considering recently, based on the questions I’ve heard him ask. If there are good opportunities being created then what about bad thoughts? Where do bad thoughts come from? This is a very difficult question to answer but I think you have to place sources of negativity in the context of one’s entire experience. The appropriate word is karma. I think experiences communicate better than words, however. One has the context of their own experiences and choices in respect to comprehending the meaning of good and evil. I would have liked to have the opportunity to share again my definition found in that Bible Dictionary by John Brown from Scotland revised in 1866. AN’GEL, a messenger; a name not of nature, but of office.
Q: And I think that really makes it clear in terms of Spirit because we’ve heard so many stories of angels. (“AND YET”) Are they really different from us and how are they different? But, obviously, I remember when I was on Mancow’s show and he talked about bigfoots being angels. (“SHOW IT”) Again, where aliens are concerned, etc., angels are messengers; a name not of nature, but of office. In fact, one of the special education teachers where I work gave me an angel pin to wear last week. And all the other staff members as well were given these.