RADIO CALL — TAPE #677 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
A: announcer, "The Jesus Christ Show"
P: KFI-AM 640 promos
J: 'Jesus Christ,' host of "The Jesus Christ Show"
H: Bill Handel, promo clip
C: unidentified caller, promo clip
S: Susanne Whatley, KFI newscaster
B: Bob Kirby, sound byte
N: Hank Barry, sound byte
R: Robin, caller
M: Marlene, caller
D: Danielle, caller
H: Josh, caller
A: Thank you for listening to KFI-AM 640. More stimulating talk radio. This is "The Jesus Christ Show." If you have a question or a comment for Jesus Christ, your numbers to call are in Los Angeles county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county the number to dial (gives number). Here he is. Once again risen is Jesus Christ.
J: If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I've become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal; and if I have the gift of prophecy and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing. And I gi(ve) — if I give all of my possessions to feed the poor and if I deliver my body to be burned but do not have love; it profiteth me nothing; love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous. Love does not brag and it is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly. It does not seek its own. It is not provoked and it does not take into account a wrongful suffer, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices in the truth, bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away. There are tongues — they will cease. If there is knowledge, it will be done away for we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child. When I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly but then face to face. Now I know in part but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now abide faith, hope, love. These three. But the greatest of these is love. Just days away from Valentine's Day and, regardless of where you fall on this particular—as it's so-called—holiday; and where you fall in your relationships, everyone receives and gives love. Everyone. And I'm excited to talk to you tonight about love and I'm with you every single Monday night nine to ten here on KFI to talk to you about things that maybe you look over, maybe you come across in your daily life, and maybe you even experience them but you're not sure exactly what you're experiencing. Love is one of those things that is talked about daily, that is experienced in one way or another daily but very rarely truly understood. Now we know that people for centuries have talked about love. Poets have written about love. Singers have sang about love. Philosophers still to this day will debate the concept of love and what love is. The definition of love is stretched from end to end. You have some people saying that it is warm puppies or the love of an animal and the unconditional response that an animal gives you when you get home. And others will say that it is just merely the heated flush of sexual attraction. But these things are only in part of what true love is. And it's so funny that this is a word that is used so often. It's almost become just a simple greeting or a simple thought when exiting: "I love you" or "It's good to see you. I love you. I miss you." These things often are said to such a degree that they get lukewarm or watered down. But love is an amazing thing. It's something my Father and I instill in you so that you can experience just a piece of how we feel about you, our creation. Just a tiny piece of what fills us when we think of you. To love is a direct attribute of your God. Did you know that? That your desire to love and to be loved comes directly from me and my Father; that to have that desire comes directly from me and my father. Now you'll never be turned down from your God. Your God will always love you. Now do not confuse love with being unjust. Your God is still filled with justice and must judge things that you do but never, ever to the point where God stops loving you. But there's many different types of love and experiences that go along with love that need to be understood. As I read from first Corinthians thirteen — I guarantee a scripture that you've heard many a time as you sit in a church pew or on a lawn somewhere or some beautiful setting as a friend or family member is getting married. And often they'll start — in verse four where they say, "Love is patient. Love is kind." And isn't it amazing as you go down this laundry list of what love is; and how lengthy it is; and how there are times where in scripture love is talked about in its simplicity. Like in John where it says, "God is love. Love is of God and God is love." That's its most pure nature. None of it — you can't experience any of it unless I gave it to you to experience. Even between one another. But as you break it down, it is so many different things. Yes, it is patient. It is kind. It's not jealous. It doesn't brag. And it's not arrogant. And as you go down these checklists of sorts, does it make you think about the way you love or how you love people or why you say you love them and what you mean when you say you love them? Because in two days all across the United States people will be exchanging gifts and cards and sentiment about love. How they feel about somebody. How they hope that person feels about them. Many of your kids will be requested by the school to bring in valentines to pass out to the entirety of the school. And that they will expect to receive them the same way, not knowing — the children obviously not knowing as to what they're partaking in. They're simply partaking in something fun, kind of like Halloween in their eyes where they're giving and getting. And that teaches a small lesson that in love is very much a two-way street. It is — has to be participated in by both halves. But there's a lot of myths and beliefs when it comes to love as to your one true love. Is there one person out there for you? Is love something that knocks you on your tail? Is it something that woos you? Is it something that you know when you see it that you can taste it when you come across it? Or is it something that you grow into? Love is definitely a decision. It's a point in time where you decide, you look over and you weigh things and you look through them and you make the decision that this person, this individual is worth my affection. They're worth my time and they're worth my love. And there are times where it's familiarity — there are times where your love is something that has come into blossom. It is something that has been nurtured through a period of time and therefore becoming stronger. And I ask you what is love? (bumper music is Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana.")
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A: Once again if you'd like to speak to Jesus, now is your opportunity to get in. If you call now and hang on, Jesus will get to you. The numbers: in Los Angeles county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county (gives number). Here once again . . . (music drowns out name)
J: I adjure you, O daughters of Jerusalem, if you find my beloved as to what you will tell him for I am lovesick. What kind of beloved is your beloved? O most beautiful among women, what kind of beloved is your most beloved that does you adjure us? My beloved is dazzling and ruddy. Outstanding among ten thousand. His head is like gold, pure gold. His locks are like clusters of dates and black as a raven. His eyes are like doves beside streams of water bathed in milk and reposed in their setting. His cheeks are like a bed of balsam, banks of sweet scented herbs. His lips are lilies dripping with liquid myrrh. His hands are rods of gold set with barrel. His abdomen is carved ivory, inlaid with sapphires. His legs are pillars of alabaster set on pedestals of pure gold. His appearance is like Lebanon, choice as the cedars. His mouth is full of sweetness and he is wholly desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem. It's from the song of Solomon in scripture and probably one of the sweetest and most loving of books throughout scripture dealing with the love of a man between he and a woman. And a — talking of their relationship and quite sensual and most definitely rooted in love in the words that they use for one another. And just days before you all will celebrate what you refer to as St. Valentine's Day I want you to think. I want you to think about love. Now nobody but me could get away with that without it sounding overly corny but I tell you this that from love all things flow. Everything in which you experience is a derivative of my love for you. Simply the desire my Father and I had and have to be with you, to spend time with you, for you to spend time with us comes from this love. Now love is many different things. Love comes in many different shapes and even throughout scripture love is described differently. There are different ways to describe love based on the words used. There are some that talk about physical love, the Greek word eros which is where you get the English word erotic. But this comes from a physical love and I know that may have come — it has taken on some nasty connotations in the modern world. There's family love and this is dealing with the love that you would have towards a brother or a family member. There's affectionate love and this is interesting and something for you to remember. ("WE") This comes from a Greek word philia and this is where you get the modern name for Philadelphia. And, of course, Philadelphia being the — what? The city of brotherly — love. So many of the words that describe love—even in scripture, even from the old languages—describe it differently for the different aspects of what that love is or what that love brings different people. And there's ways to love people that you don't necessarily like or care for much but you have love for them, you have appreciation for who they are and what they are as human beings. There's also very special love and this is something you might hear if you're a Christian or something and you're going to church you'll hear this quite a bit — is the word agape. Agape love or what some call perfect love or divine love, which is kind of a misrepresentation because it's not just merely God's love towards you but your love towards God as well. And it's a very important word. Each one of these describes a very different aspect of how you interact with others and how people interact with you. The Bible talks quite a bit about love and, as I said, although it describes love as many things when it's pulling it apart and letting you see it and dissecting it before your face, it's simply God is love. And it sounds like a bumper sticker and it sounds like something from the '60s and '70s. And it sounds like something that is said ("ICK") with an expectation of understanding that you just must understand what God and love is in that God is love and that you're supposed to swallow it as if it's a pill and just understand it. But that's to mean that everything that you are experiencing feeling when you desire somebody or their company or you well up inside. And you know those moments. When there's somebody in your life that you care for so deeply that you feel that you well up inside your heart in the desire to be with them to merely talk to them or be in their presence. But that is just a tiny taste of my love for you. There are over eleven descriptions of love in scripture. There are also ten things that it's talked about in scripture that says cannot separate you from the love of God specifically. These things are death, life even, angels and powers — these things cannot separate you, things that are present, things that are not present but are yet to come, height, depth, no other creature. None of these things can separate you from my love. There are at least nine things in scripture that talk about what love actually does and I'll get to those when we return.
A: Jesus Christ will return. It's 9:26. If you'd like to call him, the number is (gives phone number) in Los Angeles county; outside of Los Angeles county your number is (gives number). He will get to your call. This is KFI-AM 640. More stimulating talk radio.
H: How about things like the fat gene? The bald gene? ("NO") Do those exist?
C: Well yes, there are — you know, there are obviously —
H: Because I have both.
H: And I'm not particularly happy about it.
A: Bill Handel.
P: I don't think there's any great cure for us except for getting some more exercise and liking the way we look.
H: Yeah, that's pretty depressing.
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S: It's a first for NASA or anybody for that matter — the landing of a spacecraft on an asteroid. NASA administrator Dan Goldin called the rendezvous bold, courageous, brilliant. Interestingly, the asteroid that it landed on just before Valentine's Day is called Eros. Shuttle astronauts make an improvement to the space station.
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S: Space walker Bob Kirby. And the outside window shutter will protect a porthole from pesky space debris. Another pesky computer virus is out there in cyberspace. It comes in the guise of an electronic photo of teenage tennis star Anna Kournikova. The virus has been overwhelming Email servers throughout Europe and North America. It spreads itself through the Microsoft Outlook Email program. And a federal appeals court up in San Francisco said today that Napster users cannot share copyrighted music. CEO Hank Barry responds.
N: We were going to again state that we intend to make payments to artists, song writers and other rights holders yet the largest and most successful media companies in the world have taken aim at our more-than-fifty million users and today they've landed a blow.
S: He says Napster does not agree that its users are guilty of copyright infringement. He adds the music sharing website will appeal the ruling. Southland weather from KFI. In just half an hour, the flood watch kicks in for most of the Southland. It'll be with us through Tuesday. Rain heavy at times overnight. Chance of thunderstorms as well through tomorrow. Overnight low temperatures in the mid to upper 40s. Getting out into the mid-50s tomorrow. It's 48 right now in Los Angeles. KFI is the talk station that does live local news on the hour, on the half, when it breaks. At 9:33. I'm Susanne Whatley in the KFI news center. (a traffic report is followed by grandiose orchestral bumper music)
A: KFI-AM 640. More stimulating talk radio. Welcome back to "The Jesus Christ Show." Once again, this is your opportunity to speak to Jesus Christ. I don't think I need to spell it out any more than that. The numbers to call: in Los Angeles county (gives number) is your number; outside of Los Angeles county (gives number). Here is the almighty Jesus Christ.
J: Thank you, Michael. I want to tell you and talk to you more about love coming up in just a couple moments. I do want to encourage you to call as always with any of your questions or thoughts or comments because I always enjoy speaking to you and, as Michael will tell you later, there are different ways for you to contact me, including Email and I appreciate all that you send me. And I answer them in due time. Let's go to the phones now and let's talk to Robin. Robin, welcome to KFI-AM 640.
R: Good evening.
J: Hi, Robin.
R: How are you?
J: I am well.
R: That's wonderful. One of the things I always have trouble answering—and this kind of ties in with what you were talking about love—is how does a loving God let bad things happen? And today Mayor Riordan said that all children have a God-given right to a happy life. What would you say about that?
J: I would say that could be misunderstood in a couple of ways and I believe the spirit and the heart of what Mayor Riordan was saying was that all children have a God-given right to not be messed with as in —
J: — as with all children . . . with all people. That children especially we think of as being innocent, that they have the right to grow up without having to worry about being shot and so on. The fact remains that that's really not true. It's a very pleasant thought and one that I think is a righteous one from somebody who is the mayor but if you're talking . . . (end of side #1)
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J: . . . There's nothing you can do — there's no sin that is greater than the blood shed on my cross. And that's what you'd have to say. Anybody that tells you that there's some sin other than you rejecting me that is more potent than the blood on the cross, they are speaking blasphemy. Do you understand me?
M: Yeah, I do. I do. I guess it's just a struggle between, you know — I want to ("I") do it right.
J: Do you know who wants to make you feel like when you do things you make mistakes and you fall down that I don't love you? You know who that is that maybe wants you to feel that way? I'll give you a clue. People often draw him with horns. It is very easy for you to start tearing at yourself, feeling poorly about yourself, and that would make the enemy so happy, Marlene, for you to feel jilted somehow by me. But I will tell you that I will not forsake you. I will not walk away from you. The Bible says that a righteous person is not somebody who never fails but somebody who all seven times and seven times gets up again.
A: Jesus Christ is taking one more break but he will return. This is your final chance to get in. Your phone numbers in L.A. county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county (gives number). Prepare yourself. He will return. KFI-AM 640. More stimulating talk radio.
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P: It's very informative. You hear different points of view. Maybe some that I don't agree with. The way they say things or opinion and —
Q: Yes, I had a question for 'Jesus.'
S: What's your question?
Q: Just in terms of his references to the old scriptures, why is he doing this instead of referring to contemporary scripture?
S: Okay. And which references are you talking about?
Q: Well just all the ones that he's been making tonight.
S: So in reference to love?
S: And your name?
S: Okay, Mark, you hang on. I'm going to put you on hold for the air. Thank you. (traffic report concluding KFI News/Fox News is followed by three commercials)
A: Jesus is back one more time. If you'd like to speak to Jesus, chances are . . . late but you can try. The numbers in Los Angeles county (gives number); outside of Los Angeles county the numbers are (gives number). Here for one final time is your . . . and mine — Jesus Christ.
J: Hi, everybody. Welcome back and thank you for joining me and — on "The Jesus Christ Show." I am your holy host with you every single Monday night nine to ten right here on KFI — happy to be with you, happy to hear from you. I get hundreds of letters from you the listener and I very much appreciate them — Emails and so on, so forth. Michael is always good about letting you know how to get a hold of me and I want to thank you. I want you all to be patient. There are many of these that I answer on the air and there are many of them that I answer via the Email but I'm always willing and ready to hear your questions or your thoughts. And always feel free to Email me or, to be like these good people, a call right here on the program. Let's talk to Danielle. Danielle, welcome to KFI 640.
D: Hi. I have a question. You're not claiming to be the second coming. Are you the first and half coming?
J: Why don't you explain what the second coming is?
D: Second coming is that, well, as you should know, prophesied Jesus comes down to Earth in the like manner that he rose up into the heavens. And I'm wondering if you came down from the heavens to Earth, ascending down like —
J: There's something just a little bit more to the second coming, wouldn't you say, Danielle? Isn't it for something —
D: Well no but — ("DEALING WITH THE") the rapture —
J: Uh-huh. And judgement.
D: So I'm asking . . .
J: Is it talking about specifically the only time that Christ . . .
D: Well yeah. Jesus said that he — or the angel said that Jesus will return in like manner that the people watching him had seen him go . . .
J: How many times have I been on the planet before, Danielle?
D: To my knowledge, once.
J: No. Because what about the resurrection?
D: Well I'm not talking — I'm talking once he was resurrected and he preached for people for forty days and then he ascended into heaven. That is, in my opinion, the totality of the first time he was on Earth.
J: Let me explain something. The second coming deals specifically with judgement. The word of God, which is Christ, is a living scripture, is a living word and continually living and breathing.
D: I agree.
J: I didn't go away. I don't live somewhere else.
D: Alright, that's — you brought the holy spirit with him.
J: I'm not completely separate; however, as you refer to (I?). However, me being here talking with you now does not constitute a first or second coming. Second coming specifically deals with judgement. Doesn't deal with my presence because wouldn't you say my presence is everywhere consistently?
D: Through the holy spirit, yes.
J: Yeah. So (or "SO") —
D: But not through the physical body. But I have a question for you.
D: There's something I need some help with.
D: And that is we all are complaining these days of the high taxes. I object to the taxes. What do you say about my paying taxes?
J: Same thing I said before. Who's on the money? Give to the government what is the government's and give to God what is God's.
D: Okay. I agree with you. There's only one problem. The Federal Reserve note is what's on the government paper money and it's not — and the government doesn't own that bank. And private individuals do. So that means give to the government what is government's but it's not government paper money, it's Federal Reserve money. It's privately owned.
D: And so should we pay taxes to the government when it's privately owned Federal Reserve money?
J: Danielle? Yes, you are to pay taxes because beyond giving to God what is God's, giving to the government what is the government's, the tithes, which is mutated most often in the churches to be 10% that you give to the church, originally dealt with giving to the government of the land. So it's not a matter of where the note comes from. Go back and learn about the tithes, the ten fingers, and grabbing the grain and giving that to the people, the community is what you're doing. You're driving on their streets which are your streets only because you pay for them. Now Danielle, if you want to look throughout scripture, you can also see about where it talks about splitting hair and those that are looking for details waiting for people to fall throughout Proverbs . . . Maybe something to do on your spare time. But thank you for calling, Danielle, and I, as always, wish you well. (BEEP) Mark? Welcome to KFI-AM 640.
Q: Hello. I was thinking as I was listening to you quote scripture earlier that indeed we each must be like Jesus and — in terms of being a Christed one — but I was just thinking it's just too bad that you keep referring to the old scriptures as opposed to current ones such as the testament.org website or something that really can help others expand their awareness of the Christ Force.
J: Let's talk to Josh. Josh, welcome to — (line disconnected)
S: Way lame.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I BEGAN RECORDING FROM THE BROADCAST A FEW MOMENTS LATER.) J: . . . the question is an excellent one and many people are concerned because you have love for your pets and many people want to be with their pets. Well I'll tell you this there are animals in heaven.
J: Yes, we know this throughout scripture. The scripture often talks about — even what most people think is just being flowery, literary language like the four horsemen of the apocalypse. There is talk of animals in heaven. Now the concern is whether you will be with your pets. Let me tell you this — do you think that I or my Father would ever desire you to be separated from anything that brings you joy?
H: I would think not.
J: True, honest, pure joy comes from these things which you have here. Animals do play a part. Specifically what part? Well the secret things belong to the Lord, don't they, Josh?
H: Right. Hey, how — why is it that you would love a child molester the same way as you would love someone who lived a full life of God? You say you love all the same except for someone who turns away from you?
J: Yes, but you're assuming that a child molester hasn't rejected me and therefore gone on to do these works. And therein lies a much more heavy, heavy subject that we'll deal with another time, Josh. (flourish of music)
A: Because he is everywhere, he is obviously on the Internet so if you weren't able to speak to Jesus, you can Email him at firstname.lastname@example.org. He will return next week. This is KFI Los Angeles. More stimulating talk radio. . . .