RADIO CALL — TAPE #676 EXCERPTS
Q: Mark Russell Bell
A: Art Bell, host of "Coast to Coast AM"
R: Raymond, caller from Michigan S: "Coast to Coast AM" radio show operator
I: Ian Punnett, host of "Coast to Coast AM"
R: Ray, caller from Burgesstown
P: Paul, caller from Beloit
C: Chris or Mark, clips from radio broadcast
D: David, caller from Columbia
A: West of (BEEP) the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.
Q: Hi, Art. I wanted to follow up that previous caller talking about spirit/human communication because I believe it's already happening. And, of course, Electr(on)ic Voice Phenomena is what it's called.
A: I know all about that but is this part of a prediction because this is a prediction show.
Q: Yes, it is. I'm predicting that people will become aware about Electronic Voice Phenomena this year. Broadcasting technology allows this phenomena as does tape recording, which is a magnetic medium. In fact, on your show on Monday night, I taped the UFO witnesses, Chris and Mark and Denise, and—especially with Chris and Mark—I heard many, many cases of the message "NO" being repeatedly heard.
Q: Yeah, I went to the archives and made about a three minute tape of many different EVPs of "NO." I could even play it now for you, if you like.
A: No, that's alright. I believe you. A "no" where there should not have been a "no," you mean?
Q: Right. If you — in fact, I hear it quite often on "Coast to Coast AM." If you really listen carefully when someone's making a statement, overlapping their word ("YOU") you — you can hear a "NO." Sometimes there are other words too but the "NO"s are especially obvious.
A: I wonder if this were Russian talk radio if it would be "NYET."
Q: Who knows? I don't listen to Russian talk radio. But, of course, the famous people in the field include Thomas Edison, Konstantine Raudive, Friedrich Jurgenson, and John C. Lilly.
A: Oh yes. Well I'm going to continue to pursue the topic so hang in there. It should be an interesting (call terminated and I began recording the broadcast) year for you. It is a little odd, don't you all think, that all of a sudden we're getting all of these guests and interest and people calling about communication with the dead? Hmm. I mean they say it's one of those veils that's getting ready to fall and now all of a sudden all the interest. Go figure. First time caller line, you're on the air. Hello. Hello? Going once. Going twice. Gone. Wild card line, you're on the air. Good morning.
R: Hi, Art. This is Raymond from Michigan. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) ("L") If Art hadn't hung up on me so quickly, I might've managed to get in my website address even though I thought maybe he might've become more sympathetic toward me over the years but he still seems pretty frightened. Anyway, I might've talked about Thomas Edison's "valve" for spirit communication. He obviously had some experience even though it's hard to ascertain from his diary. And, of course, I could've explained about Latvian engineer Konstantine Raudive and Friedrich Jurgenson which I've commented (about) on the air before. ("NOW") Where John C. Lilly is concerned, he wrote in The Centre of the Cyclone that "If one listens to a tape loop of a repeated word for fifteen minutes, one may hear as many as thirty different words other than the one which is on the tape loop." So that's a different form of — or a different aspect of the phenomena. If I was a guest on Art's show, I could also talk about unattributed sounds. In fact, I heard one very definite one during Peter Davenport's speech which I included on my three minutes and fifteen seconds of recorded material from the Monday night show. And I'll have that on the next tape. And Marconi. "In 1920, Guglielmo Marconi himself declared that a number of incoherent signals he was intercepting repeated the letter S—three dots in Morse code—with puzzling frequency. But by 1924, the Martians has apparently transferred their affections to the letter G (four dots). In 1932, Karl Gunther Jansky, founder of radio astronomy, chilled this enthusiasm by demonstrating that such signals came from unidentified galactic sources in points far more remote than Mars." This I'm reading from a part of The Search For Intelligent Life In Outer Space by Alfred Roulet, who began by saying, "At the end of World War I, the number of radio receivers in operation suddenly multiplied, and numerous hams, including men of astute intelligence, convinced themselves that they were regularly tuning in messages from Mars." I'll leave you to consider what deductions can be made from all of this. I read on some Internet newsgroup at some point that audible clicking was distressing Art Bell on one of his broadcasts. (TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED "COAST TO COAST AM" ON FEB. 10TH. IAN PUNNETT WAS AN UNUSUAL HOST FOR SATURDAY NIGHT DUE TO A CASE OF LARYNGITIS FOR BARBARA SIMPSON.)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) . . . I'm going to have to try to call because I want to play my tape of EVP. I managed to cut it down to less than forty-five seconds with nine good cases of the "NO" so I've decided that I'm going to try to get through and if it's meant to be it'll happen . . .
S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast AM." Please hold. (Broadcast is heard for about a minute.) Thanks for calling "Coast to Coast AM." Can I get your first name please?
Q: Yes, it's Mark.
S: Where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: Canoga Park in California.
S: Can you spell that for me?
Q: C — A — N — O — G — A. P — A — R — K.
S: Alright. You're on the West of the Rockies line. When you hear that brought up, that means you're on the air. Okay?
S: And if I can get you to turn off your radio?
Q: It's off.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: IAN SPENT THE FIRST HALF HOUR DISCUSSING EMAIL AND NEWS ITEMS. I HADN'T HEARD THE FOLLOWING SONG USED AS BUMPER MUSIC FOR THE SHOW BEFORE. PRIOR TO MY CALL, PORTIONS OF TAPE WERE RECORDED AT THE CUSTOMIZED SLOW SPEED, MAKING SPIRIT MESSAGES/EVP HARDER TO DISTINGUISH DURING THESE PARTS.)
. . . You thought you found a friend to take you out of this place Someone you can lend a hand in return for grace It's a beautiful day . . .
("Beautiful Day" performed by U2)
( . . . )
. . . Honey how you've grown Like a rose Well we used to play When we were three How about a kiss for your cousin Dupree How about a kiss for your cousin Dupree She turned my life into a living hell In those little tops and tight capris I pretended to be readin' the National Probe As I was watchin' her wax her skis . . .
("Cousin Dupree" performed by Steely Dan)
I: The track you're hearing is one from the new Steely Dan album which — oh, it's "Two Against Nature" I think it's called. I've got the album at home but it's just— it's a great album. It's just something you're not going to hear on most radio stations. I'm glad we're playing it. It's selling really well but it's selling almost entirely because of the TV commercials for the album. There are so many Steely Dan fans out there but the album doesn't necessarily fit in well with some of the formats. It's just really a pity. It's a great album. And we've got open lines as we always do on this show. I always ask you to just be original, be creative, put your most important point up front so it's not the last of the nine you want to get to, in case we don't get to them all. And, remember, there is no such word as 'irregardless.' First time caller line — Ray is in Burgesville — no, I'm sorry, Burgesstown, Pennsylvania on "Coast to Coast AM." Ray, you can pick up on any of the stories you mentioned or bring up any of your own. Where are you going to take us on open lines?
R: Okay. How are you doing, Ian? This is my first time calling and I enjoy your show.
I: Thank you.
R: And my question is — it's from time to time have different shows on about the end times. Okay? Now what I want to get to is the last dictator. Okay? The man who's supposed to rule the world before the end (or "THE END") — before the seven years period. Okay? Now I've heard from before that he's supposedly is already born and at an age ready to take power. Do you happen to know like who he may be? Like could he be Saddam Hussein or could he be this — that guy from Spain, Juan Carlos?
I: I don't think it's Juan Carlos who ("NO") actually has very little political power. I mean ("A") he has some authority but like many other monarchies in Europe I don't see him as being as anywhere near the kind of dictator that others have. I was interested to hear his name come up though on some other shows. End times — ("KIND OF") different depending on which culture you're talking about, which religious affiliation if you're talking about the book of Daniel, the ancient Hebrew apocalyptic literature or are you going to be talking about Revelation? If you go by Revelation, the idea is actually that we'll see a lot of false leaders that appear to be good and I think that would preclude somebody like Saddam Hussein who doesn't appear to be good to many. So no, I don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out who is the —
I: No. No. And, in fact, I'll point this out to you, Ray. Just for the sake of argument — just (or "JUST") let me through this out to you.
I: Most of the time the words antichrist are mentioned in the New Testament, which is the only place — in the Christian New Testament.
I: It's mentioned in the plural and the times when it's used most specifically it's in a discussion of people who are already of the faith. That 'antichrist' has taken on this kind of mythic proportion from a lot of interpretive work done with Revelation — ("BUT") really if you (or "IF YOU") — if you actually did a word search on the word itself you'd find more often people ("WHO") are within the faith such as I believe in third John, off the top of my head, I believe is where there are specific references. And it actually is just talking about people who are not doing the religion right. And so they're called antichrists. It didn't mean that they were eternally evil or that they were affiliated with Satan, which is how we use the term almost always now but rather that they were getting it wrong. And that they were holding back the church. But not that there was, you know (or "YOU KNOW"), necessarily eternal damnation for them. Just something to think about and appreciate the comment. On the wild card line, Paul in Beloit, Wisconsin where several of my friends went to college on "Coast to Coast AM." Paul?
P: Hello, Ian. It isn't every day I get to talk to a 33 Mason, huh?
I: Me? Oh now I —
I: Oh now I — you're right. Because of last week. That's right. (small laugh) I'm waiting for it. It's coming. Where I'll see my name in a book listed as a 33 Mason. Paul . . .
P: The — those last two earthquakes that they had in India. I had a couple of signs before each earthquake had occurred. And the first one — I was the day before the earthquake happened — I was reading from a book called Alternate Warriors and there was a short story in there called "Because Thou Loveth The Burning Earth." And the only reason that I feel it was a sign was because it mentioned a goddess warrior by the name of Kali and I didn't think much of it. The story was about India. Then before the second earthquake I was listening to a song. I had just picked it up at random ("AT") at a — like a dollar store. And the song was called "Burning Time" and it brought up this Kali. And it's a very powerful song. It has a lot of power and you'd almost have to hear it to understand what I'm talking about.
I: Very int(eresting) — well I'd like to. And if you want to send a message along — (gives Email address). I'd love to hear more about that.
I: And I think — and I appreciate the comment, Paul. ("HH") Ii — it reminds me, since we had mentioned several of the earthquakes earlier in the hour — the Big Bear Lake earthquake from today — and the predictions by others that more earthquakes are coming. That — I am reminded almost weekly of the prediction on this show just before New Year from those — several (or "SEVERAL") — from two or three different sources, two or three different positions that the year 2001 was going to be the year of the earthquake. ("THAT") 2000 was the year of the volcano and that this year would be the year of the earthquake. And that there would be an extraordinary high death toll. And that there would be a higher than average number of earthquakes themselves. But that the earthquakes themselves, whether there were more of them wasn't so much the question. It was the devastation of them and so far — I mean here we are not even two weeks into February completely and we're already seeing the evidence of that, the echoes if you will — the aftershocks of those comments. West of the Rockies — Mark in Canoga Park, (BEEP) California on "Coast to Coast AM." Mark?
Q: Good morning, Ian.
I: Did you feel anything from the earthquake?
I: Kind of a ways away, I guess.
Q: I made the mistake of going out to lunch.
I: Oh. (small laugh)
Q: And I always get sick when I go to restaurants. But, anyway, listening Monday to the second pair of UFO witnesses, Chris and Mark did you hear them?
I: No, I didn't.
Q: Well there were many instances of Electronic Voice Phenomena/spirit messages. I finally found a way to help others recognize them. What I did is I recorded ten of these from the archive show on audio tape less than forty-five seconds in length to show people what they sound like for future recognition. So listen carefully.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I HELD MY TAPE RECORDED TO THE TELEPHONE MOUTHPIECE. DURING THIS TIME, I WASN'T ABLE TO LISTEN TO THE RECEIVER AND WASN'T AWARE THAT THE SOUND QUALITY WASN'T GOOD FOR RADIO LISTENERS. MYSTERIOUSLY IN AN INEXPLICABLE CHANGE TO THE SOURCE TAPE, THE FIRST CLIP AS BROADCAST SOUNDS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I PLAYED. THE FIRST CLIP SHOULD HAVE BEEN: ". . . ON THE HILLSIDE LOOKING ["NO"] LIKE AN ANIMAL OR . . .")
C: (clip) . . . ([new EVP: "ON FRIDAY THE FOURTEEN"] "NO") like an animal or . . . (new EVP: "LIKE")
I: Thank you, Mark —
C: (clip) . . . make sure that I was ("NO") correct and . . .
I: I don't know that we can hear it very well.
C: (clip) ". . . guys, you got to get out here." And ("NO") when he said that . . .
C: (clip) . . . tied up right there too. And ("NO") it wasn't like . . .
C: (clip) . . . grabbing a weapon or anything to ("NO") fight off a bear . . .
I: (faint) Can we get that up louder?
C: (clip) . . . know what I was looking at but ("NO") I didn't have . . .
C: (clip) . . . (ma)chined piece of metal ("NO") you could see . . .
C: (clip) . . . probably be a more threatening ("NO") position . . .
C: (clip) . . . craft I've never seen or don't know of. ("NO") I . . .
A: (clip) . . . And if they're not American, we need defense.
C: (clip) No, after you . . .
Q: So, anyway, I just taped that from the archive edition. It sounds very much just like normal speech. ("BUT" "IT'S") The tonality is different on some of them. Of course, a few people will say, "Well people are saying 'you know.'" But if you really listen carefully, they're not at all. That last one did sound very similar to the voice of the individual who was being interviewed at the time. And, having studied this phenomena for a while now, I — I do see a correlative phenomenon in which people speak — sometimes when people speak ("AND THEM") — sometimes when they say spiritual truths ("THEY'LL") say "no" in the middle of a sentence without even realizing it. It's something that I've been able to observe.
I: You're saying that they're not really saying "you know" as in sort of a vocal tick but rather they're saying "no" involuntarily in the middle of a sentence?
Q: Right. ("WW") But that's not what I — ("YEAH") for the EVP I just played, the tone is different. But in some cases they do, do this as well so that's why it makes it very hard to differentiate.
I: Well just so I understand your full point — so are you saying that then there are two different voices that are similar sounding but are actually different in origin?
Q: That's right. You have the EVP phenomenon which you hear a lot on "Coast to Coast AM" — ("MIN[D]") I always remind people of ("WW") when Whitley Strieber played his famous message of "CAN YOU HEAR ME?" And, of course, he ended up saying the exact same thing that time that he went on with Mike and they had that technical glitch, which I thought was very curious. But in these samples there were — all through those interviews with Chris and Mark you could hear "NO"s and some of them were very different in tonality. And — there might've been a few ("OF THE") of them themselves saying "you know" but this wasn't at all what was going on, speaking from experience.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: WHAT I MEANT HERE WAS THAT THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN A FEW INSTANCES OF CHRIS AND MARK SAYING "YOU KNOW" DURING THE INTERVIEW YET THIS WASN'T THE CASE WITH THE CLIPS I PLAYED.)
Q: Um — (unattributed sound like a bark followed by "TT" or hard to hear EVP word)
I: I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Mark. I — I — that (call terminated) . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So I tried to record from the broadcast after I was disconnected but the reception was very, very bad so now I'm going to tape my call and what followed from the archive. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THERE WAS NO AUDIBILITY PROBLEM WITH THE EARLY PORTION OF CLIPS ON THE ARCHIVE EDITION WITH THE FOLLOWING DIFFERENCE TO WHAT I RECORDED DURING THE BROADCAST.)
C: (clip) . . . ([new EVP: "ON FRIDAY THE FOURTEEN" "IT"] "NO") like an animal or . . . (new EVP: "LIKE")
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AS CUSTOMARY WITH SOME EVP WHERE THERE IS SOME RESEMBLANCE TO A PARTICIPANT'S VOICE HEARD IN THE CONVERSATION BEING RECORDED OR BROADCAST, IN THIS INSTANCE "LIKE" SOUNDS CLOSER IN TONALITY TO IAN'S VOICE THAN TO MY VOICE OR THE CLIPS OF THE TWO UFO WITNESSES. THE FOLLOWING WAS RECORDED FROM THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE BROADCAST.)
I: I appreciate that. I appreciate that, Mark. I — I — that sounds like something that would need a lot more time than I can give it here on open lines but I would be curious to hear of any other observations you make in the future. Lets go east of the Rockies for our last round of — before we take a break. David in Columbia, South Carolina, on open lines on "Coast to Coast AM." David, where are you taking us?
D: Basically I was just looking forward to hearing from your guest later on. I've read somewhere — I can't remember exactly where it was. I believe it's the Sumerian calendar that actually points to a planet called the dark planet or planet of devils. And it seems like we blew some astronomical things that I've seen where there has been an object detected moving in our direction that is the size of a very large planetary body. They don't know what it is. I'm curious to see if this man can shed some light on it; (if) he's going to be able to show — I called last night to Art Bell's third one. I get — hearing tones in my ears and I had one of them at 11:30 on Thursday the eighth. And it's usually twenty-four or seventy-two hours afterwards something'll happen. I'm trying to get down to where — hemispheres and thing . . . so I'm starting to wonder if there is some correlation between it . . . start to . . . (ding?) right before on his show and kind of start believing maybe something to do with the hear tone thing that's going on with me.
I: Right. We mentioned this once before, David, that you're able to kind of hear these calamities before they happen. I appreciate the comment and I will ask about the planet of devils. It does sound like something that would easily fall within the larger panoply of subjects of Dr. William Gaspar who has been working on unified theories of end times for a while. The Celestial Clock is his book and it is his study. He is a medical doctor by trade but has been correlating this information for a long time and wants to back up the predictions of the Mayan calendar with some reflections on some earthly events that have been happening and ones which we might not have noticed because the ticking of the celestial clock just might've been a little too faint for most of us to hear coming up on "Coast to Coast AM." My name's Ian Punnett. (commercials are followed by Limp Bizkit music) It's pretty subdued for Limp Bizkit. No. I'm kind of fond of them but Bizkit's are a lot louder than that usually. Planet of devils — just one of the many things that we'll ask our guest, Dr. William Gaspar, coming up after the top of the hour on "Coast to Coast AM." . . .