RADIO INTERVIEW — TAPE #600 EXCERPT
Q: Mark Russell Bell
M: unidentified WPBR staff member
D: Dick Farrel, host of Palm Beach Talk 1340 WPBR AM's "The Dick Farrel Show"
S: Samantha Shore, WPBR traffic reporter
C: commercial spokesperson
J: John Revere, "The Dick Farrel Show" caller
Q: Hi, this is Mark Russell Bell calling for Dick Ferrel.
M: Mark who?
Q: Russell Bell.
M: Mark Russell Bell?
M: Okay. Hold on for a second.
(radio broadcast begins to be heard)
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D: Alright, thank you very much.
S: Yes — very welcome.
D: It's 8:32 at WPBR. Coming up in just a moment, I have a very interesting interview I want you to hear. A gentleman by the name of Mark Russell Bell. He writes about spirits and the afterlife and the other world and all that stuff — and a firm believer in all that. And he has a big book — tell you all about it coming up in a moment. And those of you into that, pay attention. It's going to be a fun interview. Straight ahead on Talk 1340 WPBR.
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J: How're you doing?
D: I'm good.
J: Your new advertiser in Lantana, the tobacco and news place.
J: They also have the Vietnam magazine. It's one of the best history books about Vietnam.
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J: Also, on this —
D: You've been there?
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D: Yeah, let's see how our vote turns out.
J: Want to put about an eighty or ninety percent vote on that.
D: Well here's how it's going to turn out. ("The") The phone calls will be in her favor and the computers will be against her. It always works that way.
D: Anyway, thank you. Alright, Mark Russell Bell born one week to the day right after I was born in 1956 so a little karma there. You know? He was born August the 8th. I was born August the 1st. He's got this big book, this huge book called Testament on Oracle Press and let's welcome him. He woke up very early for this interview because he's calling us from the West Coast where it's 5:36 in the morning. And he's in the upper Northwest. (BEEP) Hey, Mark.
Q: Hi, Dick.
D: Hi. ("HI") What's the temperature outside where you are?
Q: It's been a little windy but it's been — I live in the valley so it's very — it's always warm here.
Q: I had been living in Santa Monica which is always rather cold so ("I'M") that's sort of paranormal in itself.
D: I'm looking at a picture of you and your twin brother. I guess you're about five or six years old here.
Q: Right. ("THAT")
D: Dressed in their little Cowboy outfits. Anyway, so ("WHAT IS") basically tell me what are we going to learn by reading Testament?
Q: Well pretty much it's the same old story but in a contemporary setting of Hollywood.
D: It's nearly a thousand pages, folks.
Q: It's all question and answer interviews and journals of interviews with people with unexplained events.
D: Unexplained events. You mean like I'm home alone and all of a sudden the door upstairs slams and I know it isn't the wind because the windows are closed.
Q: That's just one of them. There's also accounts of UFOs, aliens, angels, spirits —
D: Let me ask you question — stop you right there.
D: Wherever I am in this world, little personal objects are always disappearing and then reappearing. I am a firm believer that I did not misplace or lose them. I'm a firm believer that somebody from some other world takes them and replaces them later on. Possibility?
Q: That's one of the things I actually document in my book because —
D: Folks, I know I wasn't crazy! He documented it! It really does happen! I don't lose my keys! They get taken away from me!
Q: I mean there's one interview where I am speaking to a friend at Paramount. Her name was Allison Jackson and she says she cannot find her lipstick. And of course I had just gone through all these experiences in Oklahoma with a very well-known family who had been on "20/20" and a special called "Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test." So everyone knows this is going on there at their haunted house. ("BUT") I'm actually interviewing Allison and she can't find her lipstick and then all of a sudden after she's looked everywhere twice, she can find it. ("SO") We also found something on the floor — a pencil. A "School Ties" pencil which just didn't happen. It just didn't land there all of a sudden (for no reason).
Q: So what I think is going on is that — well I think that's the main purpose of our life really — is to make this kind of spiritual discovery. Because you hear things like, "There's a Oneness of spirit." ("BUT") Until you really see it illustrated for you, it's really hard to fathom. And so that's what my book does.
D: The book illustrates these peculiar occurrences.
D: Of spirits — the spirit world participating in our world.
D: Now who are these spirits, Mark? Are they, like, formerly members of our world?
Q: Well what I can do ("IS I") — quickly, in a few minutes, I'll give you sort of a basic history ("OF") — the major happenings in the 'paranormal' which no one really pays too much attention to, and I really got really much involved in.
D: The paranormal.
Q: This all happened to me after I had finished a book about talking poltergeists through history, which sounds way out there and I assure you it is. ("BUT") There are all these cases throughout history of not just poltergeists but a haunting situation where there was an actual speaking disembodied voice revealing certain truths. And, for example, one of the earliest ones was — lets (or "LET'S") — well, anyway, why don't we start with Nostradamus? In 1555 he had written a letter to his son where he basically talked about his power of foreseeing things and foretelling future events. And he made it very clear that this was an Angelic power. He called it the spirit of vaticination and he did talk about God, of course.
Q: But that's something that you don't hear in conjunction with Nostradamus. So — I think the major case that I have studied was the Bell Witch who was in Tennessee between 1818 and 1821 when the major phenomena happened and then returned seven years later. ("AN") This is pretty well-known amongst people who have investigated poltergeists and pretty much all the phenomena one usually associates with talking poltergeists was demonstrated. Another famous case was the Mary Jobson case in 1839 when basically this disembodied spirit ("WOULD") take the form of different spirits including the virgin Mary and call themselves "ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING," "THE LORD THEY GOD" — not 'thy God'; "THEY GOD," and "THE SON OF GOD." ("SO") It's almost like the old biblical miracles were happening in this very supernatural, superstitious — almost like parody of events. I mean ("PEOPLE TH[EY]") you don't usually believe in things like that and then all of a sudden you have healings and these things going on in certain families. ("COUR[SE]")
[2021 UPDATE: THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL INTERVIEWS WHEN I INCORRECTLY QUOTED "THEY GOD." ACTUALLY THE TEXT OF THE BOOK ABOUT MARY JOBSON READS "THY GOD." MY PRONOUNCEMENT OF "THEY GOD" IS DUE TO FINDING THE WORDS IN MY COMPUTER FILE ALTERED FROM 'THY' TO 'THEY' ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION.]
D: So is everything a coincidence?
Q: Well the word 'coincidence' is a derivation of the word coincide-ence and I think when we say 'coincidence' it implies a certain chance. However, the word coincide-ence which is the same word implies simply that something is coinciding . And that's really, I think, what my book demonstrates because, for example, the Bell Witch case. I had learned that there was a contemporary family living in Oklahoma that had a Spirit living with them: a talking poltergeist. And this was right after I finished the book and I — then I found out when Maxine Mc Wethy called me, that her previous name had been Bell and most of her daughters, in fact, were still named Bell (at the time of birth) so I said, "Oh my goodness, this is like a dynasty of poltergeists." I'd just got through working on the movie "The Godfather, Part III." And, anyway, I was very much intrigued and I went to interview the family. And that's really how I started on the book. At the time, I didn't realize I would use the exact transcripts but so many weird things had happened to them that I just thought that the only way to do justice to this material is to present the transcripts because, literally, when I was there, there were objects materializing like pennies. A nail struck me in the head and bounced off. There was spirit giggling in the back seat of the car when we were driving around the area. It was unlike anything I'd ever heard before. ("IT WAS") It was not really of this world. It was sort of a — had a blood-chilling effect.
D: So tell me — do we go somewhere when we die? What do you think?
Q: Oh definitely.
D: No doubt in your mind?
Q: Well in my case, I mean I can —
D: Is this what we become? These spirits that go around making people's personal objects disappear?
Q: Well it depends on where we are in terms ("O[F OU]R") of our spiritual evolution. In my case, I do have evidence of reincarnation. ("SO") For me, this is an afterlife.
D: You mean you're already living one?
Q: Exactly. Because I had lived previously in Egypt. In fact, that's in my book. There's that picture —
D: Well what do you think comes between lives? Between lives on this world, what happens? ("B[ETW]EE[N]")
Q: Well, again, in doing various interviews with people who seemed to know a lot more than they should, I became convinced that ("YOU KNOW") the shared Oneness or the Subconscious Mind was actually making certain revelations to me and I realized that — because I'd heard this in several different places. One of them was my friend Larry who had worked with me at Paramount and he basically said, "You know, we live all of our lives simultaneously." So, basically, we each could be living hundreds of lives at the same time.
Q: Right. Because time really —
D: Well wait a minute. Just a minute now. I spend most of my waking hours pretty much in the same place. So I think. When am I, like, living the others lives I could possibly be living?
Q: Right now — I am talking about previous centuries.
D: Oh, okay. Previous centuries? ("WW")
Q: When you think about — well, see, that's one thing that happened to me in Oklahoma. One of the things that happened was in the famous Bell Witch case, there was a recorded — some anecdotal evidence about the Spirit delivering two different —
D: Is this Bell Witch named after you?
Q: Probably vice-versa because — and that's a story in itself. But the Bell Witch was — one of the most famous things the Bell Witch did was recite two different sermons in the exact voices of the pastors and they had delivered the sermon at the exact same time. ("SO") Then, when I was in Oklahoma, Twyla told me this story about her sister was waiting to be picked up by a friend. And, basically, she was in the other room and she heard the friend come, ("AND") apologize for a flat tire, and they left. But then when she went out in the other room a while later, she was still there. And then a few minutes later the friend actually arrived and she heard the exact same conversation take place that she'd heard a half hour ago.
D: You think maybe some of these deja vu experiences we have are somehow triggered by the other world?
Q: I've had deja vu experiences and it's really hard to fathom because — I mean could this have happened in some other synchronicity or in some parallel world and now we have the chance to do it again? I mean that's one thing I really am mystified about but I've had them myself.
D: Parallel worlds. I'm a big fan of "Sliders," by the way, so I understand what you're talking about.
Q: Right. Well, plus, when I worked at Paramount, I'd worked on a lot of films that had this subject matter. For example, the movie "Ghost." The "Star Trek" films. "Scrooged" which was —
Q: I didn't work on "Poltergeist" but I did work on "Dead Again" which was about reincarnation.
D: Oh yeah, I saw "Dead Again."
Q: "The Addams Family." "Coneheads." "Forrest Gump." So a lot of these had interesting parallels. "Pet Sematary." "Virtuosity." ("JUST") A lot that you've probably heard of. ("WELL THERE")
D: There's a fascination out there with, you know, the next life or the other life or whatever happens when we — when our biological functions cease for whatever reason. There's a fascination with what happens. It ranges from — ("NO") from zero to a hundred.
D: And — alright, if I were to say zero to one hundred, zero being that, you know, after you die you become nothing more than worm food and a hundred is, of course, you break through into some magnificent world where all of your hopes and dreams and desires are easily accomplished, what do you put it? Somewhere in between there?
Q: I put it a hundred because, in my own case, I was living a very materialistic lifestyle here in Los Angeles. ("NO") I mean very sinful — I mean working in Hollywood and, you know, you take the trips to Las Vegas and — I mean it was just — and now, of course, after all this — spiritual experiences that I've had, I very much am not into, you know, spending money on foolish things and I just lead a very standard life.
D: (Apathetic?) life would be the word. What then, tell us, will people expect by reading the book? What will they come away with? A sense of what kind of fulfillment?
Q: Well they basically can connect the dots between a lot of the famous paranormal cases. For example, like Madame Blavatsky referred to her guidance as being this very mysterious group called the Mahatmas. And, of course, Edgar Cayce, when he channeled his famous sessions, he always concluded each session by saying, "WE ARE THROUGH." And apparently this was an amassing of spirits because he did at some points communicate in foreign languages. ("SO") What I came — became convinced of in my experience—especially first in Oklahoma—("BECAUSE") the main haunting individual there was named Michael. The family called him Michael. And then, of course, I saw the Messages From Michael book which was the same amassing of spirits that called Itself We and revealed all these things about reincarnation and what-have-you. D: We need to take a break here. (When) we come back, here are the questions I'll come at you with. Phone number to get the book, of course. And, also, in life after death, if there is such a thing or you believe it — want to hear what your experiences are. (I) want to ask you about those so-called near death experiences that people have had with the tunnel and the light. I want your opinion on that and where does religion fit into all this? Straight ahead. WPBR. It's ten before nine. And now one more gander, for this hour anyway, at that miserable, disgusting mess on 95.
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Back we go to Mark Russell Bell, author of Testament. (BEEP) It is on Oracle Press, a thousand pages but I might say it's—having read through some of it, myself—I can tell you this, that you will have a greater understanding if you haven't any at all of the spirit world and maybe some of your long passed relatives and how they're paying attention to you and so forth. So tell me, Mr. Bell, what about religion? How does this play a factor in the spirit world?
Q: Well, of course, this gets into a very controversial area. But I think in my own case I had an interesting experience on the famous 9-9-99. Of course, I faced this day with a little trepidation because of all the rumors about computer crashes and what-have-you but for me I just went to the gym as usual and I was reading this book entitled My Search for the Ghost of Flight 401 by Elizabeth Fuller. ("AN") Basically, I was reading this section and she was quoting from Life After Life by Dr. Raymond A. Moody and —
D: I've read some of his stuff. ("YEAH" "N")
Q: Anyway, this Ghost of Flight 401 book was about a haunting associated with an airplane engineer who died in a crash in 1972 named Don Repo. And this one anecdote from Life After Life was about a near-death experience of someone by the name of Dr. George Ritchie. And, basically, he had died or had a near-death experience where he encountered the Presence of what he referred to as the Son of God. And, of course, with my experiences with this Amassing of Spirits — in fact my own twin brother, Michael, said that "Well Michael is One and many." A lot of people think it's quite interesting that his name is the same ("AS ALL") as this Mighael as in the Messages From Michael and what-have-you. But, again, that's another coincide-ence. So, basically, I myself have a pretty much standard Christian background and I've always wondered about what it meant in terms of 'Jesus Christ' ("YOU KNOW") being our redeemer and all of that. So what I think ("JUS") personally is that — but I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, by the way — ("BUT") they're rather convinced that the Angel Mighael is really the Christ and not Jesus. ("SO") What I think is Jesus was Christed by this Force and this Force ("VARIOU[S]") who is the Son of God Christs certain individuals to make certain revelations. And, anyway, ("IT'S") — that's one of the areas that my book sort of documents.
D: What — the publicity shot of you on the back of the book?
D: You're in a crouched position —
D: — wearing a 'Frito Lay' T-shirt. Is there any significance to that?
Q: Well what happened is when I came back from Oklahoma, ("NO") I thought that the phenomena would end there but, if anything, it accelerated. For example, I called my friend Fiona who was a psychic to begin with — ("RE") who used to read at the Psychic Eye bookstore and as I was speaking to her a magnet flew off of her refrigerator. So then I called my mom and so I said, "Well Mighael, give me a sign that you're there." And she said, "Oh well there's nothing happening but — just a moment. A wasp is acting strangely." And when I was in Oklahoma, ("I") there'd been some wasps phenomena. So I began thinking, "Well this is rather peculiar." And then I thought some more and I thought, "Well really this has to be God because it all can't be attributed to aliens. And so that's why my book became sort of a religious themed book ("WITH THE") with the title Testament because it's various people's different testaments of their unexplained events.
D: I see.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I FORGOT TO EXPLAIN THE MYSTERIOUS GIFT OF THE 'FRITO LAY' SHIRT HAVING A DESIGN LOOKING LIKE THE LETTER 'G' INSIDE THE O AND A SMALL PYRAMID-SHAPED SYMBOL BENEATH THE R.) [2021 UPDATE: THIS INCIDENT AND A DESCRIPTION OF THE OCCURRENCES INVOLVING MY BEING GIVEN THE SHIRT ARE THE SUBJECT OF AN AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL BLOG ARTICLE.]
Q: I think the main thing that I had learned before going to Oklahoma involved the Bell Witch case and another famous case on the Isle of Man involving what was described as a "talking mongoose" named Gef. G — E — F. And this was described in the book The Haunting of Cashen's Gap by Harry Price and R. S. Lambert in 1936. And, basically, this haunting Entity— ("TH[A]T") called itself a Mongoose but they only saw it as a mongoose a couple times basically—called the father in the family whose name was Jim as 'Pots.'
D: I've got to admit to you I am lost.
Q: Well I'm going to tie it up right now.
D: Go ahead.
Q: In the Bell Witch case, on page 160 of The Bell Witch, A Mysterious Spirit by M. V. Ingram, there was a reference to Jesse Bell's wife and the spirit had called Jesse Bell's wife 'Pots' as well. So I thought, "Well this is rather unusual. How could these two poltergeists who know nothing about one another be using the same exact nickname for one of the family members?
D: And that says what?
Q: Well I realized, after my experience in Oklahoma, that this was all the same Entity doing the haunting.
D: Alright. Well — alright, what's the phone number to find out more about getting this book from Oracle Press?
Q: Well there is an Internet edition available on the Internet at testament.org.
Q: On the Internet. ("AND" "WHAT") What I've — because, you know, ("IT") it is really tacky to go on talking about spiritual wisdom and then give an 800 number —
D: Well —
Q: Exactly. For example, I could give you the 800 number for the Bodhi Tree in West Hollywood. And the nickname for this bookstore — the city is WeHo and I couldn't agree more — that we have all these spiritual writers selling their books and really what are they? They're really — because of our times, having to make money to pay the rent and everything —
D: I know that feeling.
Q: — they really, you know, are 'ho's. Let's face it. ("SO UM") I mean I can be a 'ho' too and give you the 800 number ("I") because I really hope people will get the book because I really think that —
D: We 'ho's alright.
Q: Yeah so it's —
D: We hose off the car every Saturday.
Q: Right. So —
D: What's the 800 number?
Q: Yeah, I mean — ("I") see, again, rap music also comes from our shared Subconscious mind.
Q: And it explains a lot about Hollywood.
D: It is poetry.
Q: Exactly. So, anyway, the number is (gives number).
D: (repeats number)
Q: And that's the Bodhi Tree. At least that's a nice metaphor of the Bodhi Tree.
D: Alright, Mark Russell Bell, thank you very much for taking time out to talk about Testament from Oracle Press. A thousand pages — sit back, curl up with this book but you'll enlighten yourself a bit and I'll look forward to talking to you in the future. Much success.
Q: Right and also you can read the follow-up to the book on the Internet yourself at testament.org.
D: Okay, thank you.
Q: Okay, thank you.