RADIO INTERVIEW — TAPE #185 EXCERPT
Q: Mark Russell Bell
J: Joe Scott, WRXK morning radio show host
U: unidentified commentator (Stan or Mark)
C: unidentified commentator (Stan or Mark)
J: . . . by program director Matt Mangis. He gave me a copy of that. According to frontman John Bell, he said the band was inspired to record the tract after seeing the song’s author, Pop Staples. Do we know who he is? Pop Staples?
U: Pops Staples?
J: Not Pops. Pop Staples.
J: You know who he is?
J: Do you?
J: I don’t know who he is.
C: The Staples Singers.
U: Yeah. It makes sense he’s related to the Staples Singers.
J: Okay. Now we’re talking.
C: Okay. (“SEE I”)
U: (small laugh)
J: I knew this guy with this song was okay. (“POPS”) From the Staples Singers? Okay. He’s okay in my book. Anyway, they were at a festival in Milwaukee and they were going to check out Pearl Jam when they saw the Staples playing. (They) never made it to the Pearl Jam show — they rushed right off and recorded “Hope in a Hopeless World.” All right.
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: A SOUND EFFECT ATTRIBUTED TO SHOW IS HEARD ON THE TAPE HERE AS MY INTERVIEW BEGINS. APPARENTLY, THE SHOW IS DELAYED FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE ‘C’ IS MIDWAY THROUGH HIS FIRST QUESTION.)
J: . . . proves it in the book. How do you prove it, Mark? Good morning, by the way.
Q: Oh hi. Have you seen my book?
J: Have what?
Q: Oh, I sent my book to the station. Did you have a chance to see it?
J: I’ve not seen in yet.
Q: Okay, well let me tell you really quick — it’s hard to tell in a nutshell but I’ll go ahead and do that. I had written a book about a history of — talking poltergeists. And at the time I finished this book I found out that there was a family in Oklahoma that had a similar one with them. So I called the family —
J: A talking poltergeist?
Q: Well, that’s what my — originally, that’s what I had set out to do — a project tracing the history of talking poltergeists. And, of course, the major one was the Bell Witch in Tennessee in the early 19th century. So, any —
J: Has there ever been anything like a gay poltergeist?
Q: A gay angel. That’s what it turned out to be.
J: It was gay?
J: Right. Okay. Go ahead.
Q: So, anyway — so they have this and they were seen on this special called “Ghosts, Psychics, Mediums: Put To The Test” and it was also seen on “20/20.” So they had all these different spirits living with them. Actually, they thought they were aliens but the ABC special documentary makers called them a poltergeist because that sort of fit into what they were more looking for.
J: Did you see that show “When Poltergeists Attack”? Have you seen that show?
Q: I didn’t.
J: (It was a) good one.
Q: But it sounds like the usual thing that they do. (“SO”)
J: Kind of a fake thing.
Q: So I went down there and I did witness some of the phenomena and I realized —
J: What did you witness, Mark?
Q: Okay, for example, there were pennies that kept on materializing and, of course, this is all in my book. And, then, like, a nail (“EVEN”) hit me in the head — (“AND THEN”) bounced off.
C: (Are) you sure there wasn’t some construction work going on —
Q: Oh yes.
C: — at an adjacent house?
Q: Yes. The book is all verbatim transcripts of my interviews so you can pretty much see the events as they were happening and you can tell that it wasn’t . . . but — (“AND I SAW”) we went off on an excursion in the area, which also is an area that’s very active in UFO landings and sightings. And they even have had bigfoot sightings so this is a very bizarre portion of America.
Q: And so, anyway, they had all these different spirits living with them and they gave them the nickname Michael.
C: . . . named Mike —
Q: Right. Michael as in — and so then when I got home I kept having the same phenomena. Like I had pennies materializing. Anyway, (there have been) just too many experiences to even —
U: Why pennies? Why not large bills?
J: Yeah. At least, you know, like silver dollars or something?
Q: I think it was like a symbol — like ‘pennies from heaven’ or something. (“OH GOOD”) So I got home and I realized, “Oh my goodness. There are so many weird symbols in my life.” For example, I was working at Paramount Pictures and you have the weird mountain symbol. And then I had these burning bushes go up in 1994 which was sort of unexplained. And then, like, my attorney’s name was Jonathan Handel. And so my original last name, Russell, is . . . from the House of Russell, which is like the earliest race of ancestry, the dukes of Normandy. (“SO I”) I realized —
U: Bob Dole is from Russell, Kansas.
Q: Well, there are a lot of interesting names with Russell. Like you have Ken Russell, the director who did “Tommy.” You have —
U: Bill Russell.
Q: Like the Jehovah’s Witnesses I think were called Russellites early on so —
J: Is that right?
Q: Yeah and —
C: You mean your original name was Russell? Where did you get the Bell tacked on to it?
Q: Well, my friend Marie, who’s a rock singer herself, was crossing Sunset Boulevard and we’d been discussing if I should have a writer’s pseudonym for my book or not and she said she heard a disembodied voice say, “MARK RUSSELL BELL.” And she had even passed a Bell telephone book on the sidewalk — not at a phone booth but on the sidewalk — and so she called me immediately and said, “It’s supposed to be Mark Russell Bell.” So my name was channeled to me.
J: Did she do this after popping a couple amyl nitrates?
Q: No. It was early in the morning. So —
Q: So she called me and I — (“SO”) and, of course, other people had told me (the same thing) because the family I visited had been named Bell too. So eventually what happened is I began — I had proof that I was actually not a Bell but I once was — (I’m) the reincarnation of an Egyptian named Bel-Marduk. And, so, of course, this is in my book — showing you how I came to this realization.
U: What did you do for Paramount?
Q: I was the staff writer in the publicity department. So I would, like, write the press kits for movies like “Forrest Gump” and “Braveheart” and the “Star Trek” films and “The Naked Gun” movies. And I would basically tell the press what these movies were about. So I was sort of like a carpenter in the Hollywood dream factory — sort of low on the pecking order. So I got to really know all the big egos in Hollywood and I had to interact with all these huge egos.
J: “Carpenter in the Hollywood dream factory.”
J: That sounds (like) a good line. I’m going to have to steal that for a song. I’m going to write a song: “Hope in a Real Crappy World.” I got something going on there. Now what’s the deal also that you that you’re mentioned in Nostradamus’s quatrains there? You’re mentioned by name?
Q: Right. (“NO”) Well, Nostradamus talked about ‘Mabus’ so, of course, Mabus is an anagram in my name. M — A from Mark and B from (“B”) Bell and U — S from Russell. In Century I, quatrains 95 and 96 are apparently about me because I’m an identical twin, I was living in a condo right across from the Angelus Temple and I’m descended from an ancient monastic bloodline.
J: What temple?
Q: The Angelus Temple.
[2021 UPDATE: ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ECHO PARK LAKE WAS THE DIOCESAN CENTER (EPISCOPAL DIOCESE), MINISTRY CENTER, AND RETREAT AND CONFERENCE CENTER THAT WAS RENAMED ST. PAUL'S COMMONS IN 2019.]
Q: So, basically, and I’ll read this. This is quatrain number 95. It says, “Before a monastery will be found a twin infant, / Descended from an ancient monastic bloodline: / His fame and power through —”
J: What’s your ten — what’s your twin up to?
Q: He’s a publicist at Rogers & Cowan.
J: Is he gay?
Q: Yes. (“YEAH”)
J: Are you gay too?
J: Okay. So you were both born gay.
Q: Well, we didn’t know it. I didn’t really come out of the closet until after the angel revealed that He was gay to me and then I said, “Oh my goodness. Well, I guess it’s alright to be gay, after all.”
J: So you found out that your twin brother was gay?
Q: No. The angel Mighael revealed to me He was gay.
J: Oh. He was gay.
J: So you said, “Okay, then it’s okay I —”
J: “have these feelings.” (“MARK”)
Q: Because the name Mighael means “Who is as God” so I said, “Well if the angel Mighael is gay, well then I can be gay too.” (“ALRIGHT”)
J: I guess you’re going to put out your next book about every gay actor and actress in Hollywood. Can we have like — (“BY THE”)
Q: By the way, can I give my —
J: Yeah. Go ahead.
Q: At the end of the interview, I’ll give an 800 number where people can buy the book.
J: Well, go ahead. Give it now.
C: Give it now.
Q: Okay. Okay, it’s available from the Philosophical Research Society in L.A. The cost is $26.20 which includes shipping charges and they have an 800 number which is 800 (gives number). So maybe they can call the station and you’ll give that if they couldn’t write it down in time.
J: Yeah. You can call us here.
Q: Just remember Philosophical Research Society in L.A.
J: Right. What about this book you’re doing next about the gay actors and actresses in Hollywood? Can we have a little sneak preview of that?
Q: Well, (“YEAH”) in fact I — when I was interviewed for this one radio station in Philadelphia I ended up outing the host of the radio show because he kept — I gave him a name and then he kept wanting other names and I said, “The only reason why you’re so interested is because you’re gay yourself, Mr. Barsky.” And so that was sor(t of) —
J: Did you tell him he was gay?
Q: Yeah. On the air.
Q: So that was funny. (“BUT”) Hmm?
J: You knew — you really knew he was gay?
Q: Well, no. I could just tell because he was so insistent on hearing upon who is gay in Hollywood.
J: Does anybody sound gay on this program to you? (“STAN”)
Q: Well, see, one of my beliefs — because after this whole experience — is that everyone is secretly gay.
J: You think everyone’s secretly gay?
Q: Yes, I do. I do. It took me a while to get to this conclusion —
U: So the human race has somehow managed to procreate for thousands and thousands of years despite the fact that everybody is really gay?
J: I think what he’s saying is everybody has a gay side to them.
Q: Well, they certainly have that propensity. I’m not saying that everyone is a practicing homosexual.
J: Well then that would mean that possibly homosexuals have a heterosexual side to them.
Q: Well —
J: Do you have a heterosexual side?
Q: Well, I’ve never had sex with a woman.
J: Never had sex with a woman?
Q: Maybe that’s why Mighael chose me. (“BUT UM”) There’s a reason why those skinheads go around with baseball bats. I mean they’re definitely very defensive about it.
J: Okay. So let’s have some names? Who (do) you got coming up in the book?
Q: Well, again, what I keep telling people is that it’s not such a big deal to hear who is gay. You really have to — that’s why in my book I plan to have verbatim transcripts (“SO” “SO THEY”) so I can reveal who is saying this gossip, where did they hear it and what is the context because that really is all-important. Basically, I’ve heard just about everyone in Hollywood is gay — at some time or another. I think the only person (“I”) who I haven’t heard was gay is Jean-Claude Van Damme and, of course, he’s in rehab now and, (“HE”) you know, he keeps beating up on his wife. He’s just not happy.
J: He’d like to be gay.
Q: No, I’m just (saying he’s repressing his feelings) — probably. Well, if you look at his movies — like I think in his last movie they showed him in a towel. He fought somebody in a little towel in a steam room or something.
J: What about, like, Steven Seagal? (“WELL” “YOU KNOW I”)
Q: Again, he’s not —
J: If you call him gay he’d kick your ass.
U: Beahh — bigtime, man.
Q: Well, he’s another one of those people that I’ve known people who worked on his films in various capacities. He’s supposed to be very difficult and have a big ego — well aren’t they all? — have a big ego? He’s actually another one that I have not heard any gossip on. I remember one of my favorite bits of gossip was during the making of “The Color of Money” way back when because, ostensibly, Paul Newman and Tom Cruise had cabins right — either they were sharing rooms or they were right next door and this was because he was showing him how to drive race cars. And I’m thinking, “Well, do you do that — (“YOU KNOW”) do you live together to do that? I mean do you have to live together?” So that was before most of the rumors about Tom started.
J: But, come on, Paul Newman’s not gay. Is he?
Q: Well, that was the rumor. The rumor was that they were having an affair.
J: How about Robert Mitchum? Anything about him?
U: Oh, come on, don’t say Robert Mitchum’s gay.
Q: No but the “Bob” — look at his weird characters that he’s played. I’m finding that there’s a really negative force in the world that’s known as the ‘Bob’ force. If you look at movies (and TV shows) like “Twin Peaks” — somebody said that there was a character on “The Simpsons” even that was named Bob but that’s a very scary name. I mean I think that the Devil and Satan are metaphors but there is definitely this really negative ‘Bob’ force.
J: So Bob — if you’re named Bob you’ve got problems?
Q: I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s just a symbolic energy form. I don’t know if it’s all Bobs. I know — (“MY”) talk about my Uncle Bob in the book because he may or may not have abused me as a child. (“SO”)
J: May or may have not? You don’t remember?
Q: Right. Right. It’s really a very long and involved story.
Q: But — (“SO”)
J: So you have a boyfriend now?
Q: Well, my angel. My angel. (“A” “WE CHA”) He channels love to me.
J: Are you having sex with your angel?
Q: Well, I figured it out that it must be that when I’m masturbating He’s having sex with me because it’s — He doesn’t live in the same dimension that we do so it doesn’t really have the same rules that I have. It took me a while to realize that, though.
U: It’s almost like an Alan O’Day thing going on.
Q: Well, see —
J: ‘Undercover angel.’
C: Yeah. (“RIGHT”)
J: So when you masturbate you think of your angel and you feel like your angel comes in — (“WWW”)
Q: I don’t even think about Him that much. It’s just that, (“THAT”) you know, He — (“IT’S”) He’s proven to me that He knows everything that I think. For example, I was once listening to (“CHANNEL”) a local channel — (“K”) KROQ here in L.A. and the woman who was the disc jockey at the time — and I can’t remember her name — she said, “I’m hearing those voices again. I just heard, ‘BEAUTIFUL BOY, YOUR MIND HAS A BEAUTIFUL TASTE.'” (“ELLEN”) So I’m always getting these (“LIKE”) strange messages from people’s subconscious minds. And it’s like He takes possession through people’s subconscious — I wouldn’t say “take possession” but He gives them these — just various inklings or thoughts and they (“THEY”) tell me and they don’t realize that it’s my angel. They think that they’re just saying something to me.
U: Have tests been run on you to check for a possible chemical imbalance?
Q: Well, “chemical” — what’s a chemical imbalance? (“I”) I did have — go into therapy (“CCC”) because when I came back from Oklahoma my twin brother thought I was possessed so he sent me into (“LIKE A”) a place for about five days where they observed me and then I got out so I started having therapy with a psychic psychiatrist.
J: Are you okay?
(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: HEARING A CUE FROM THE TAPE RECORDER, I TURNED OVER TAPE #178, SIDE #1 BEFORE THE ENTIRE TAPE SIDE HAD BEEN UTILIZED, LOSING JUST A FEW MOMENTS OF CONVERSATION.)
U: . . . a lot of people would say.
C: I mean someone I know . . .
Q: Well, that’s the initial response.
C: . . . that you’re a weirdo. (“YEAH”)
Q: Yeah. Well, see about getting a copy — I did send a copy of the book to the station so you might look at it. It’s got a picture of bigfoot and there are ghost photos and there’s one that the family believes are aliens. (“CAN A”)
J: Can a bigfoot be gay? (“BI”)
Q: Listen, I have never met a bigfoot but there is a picture of a bigfoot in my book.
J: Well, then I mean — that’s — where’d you get it?
Q: Bigfoot Central up in (“KILL”) Washington.
U: Who killed Kennedy?
Q: Who killed Kennedy? I haven’t asked my angel that. Because what happened is when I got home I realized that there were various spirit messages on my interview tapes with the family.
U: Will you do us a favor and talk to your angel and find out who killed Kennedy.
Q: Well, maybe when I — you know, I’m taping this so maybe when I play it back later He’ll have little messages —
J: Okay. I’ll tell you what — we’ll look over the book and (“SO”) we’ll have you back on. How does that sound?
Q: Okay, fine. Can I give my 800 number again for anyone who wants to buy it?
J: Yeah. Please do. Oh come on.
Q: 800 (gives number). It’s a great read. (“AND YYY” “BUT”)
U: We could have you back on and your angel could have his comments —
Q: Yeah. Look at the book. I mean the book will basically tell you — it tells you all my weird experiences as a child and growing up. (“AAA”)
J: Yeah. I’d like to read that. Hey, listen — if you go back and listen to the interview and one of us possibly is secretly gay would it be able to tell? Would you be able to tell?
Q: Well, I think everyone is gay.
J: We’re all gay then?
J: Alright, Mark, listen. We’ll lo(ok) — let’s look over the book —
J: Maybe next week come back on.
Q: Okay. Great.
J: Okay. Great.
Q: Okay. Thank you.
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) My alarm didn’t go off so I was woken up to do the interview. Can you believe it? I was woken out of a sound sleep to do an interview. I hope I was alright. Was I alright? Oh my goodness. At least I got in my 800 number in there twice.