RADIO INTERVIEW — TAPE #799


Q: Mark Russell Bell
P: Dr. Pat Baccili, host of “Crustbusting Your Way To An Awesome Life” KKNW 1159 AM, Seattle
B: Benny Mathers, co-host/producer
L: Ellen Russell

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: MANY TIMES I’VE EMAILED A NEWS RELEASE TO VARIOUS RADIO TALKSHOW HOSTS WITHOUT EVER HAVING ANY REPLY. DR. PAT BACCILI— HOST OF A WEEKLY INTERNET SHOW AS WELL AS A DAILY HOUR-LONG SEATTLE RADIO PROGRAM—REPLIED TO ME THE SAME DAY I CONTACTED HER, MARCH 14TH, 2004. WHILE SHE SUGGESTED MARCH 26TH WHEN SHE HAD AN OPENING, I SUGGESTED SOMETIME DURING THE WEEK OF APRIL 5TH. I WAS SOON OFFERED THE DATE OF APRIL 7TH, WHICH I ACCEPTED, AND SHE CALLED ME FOR A PRELIMINARY INTERVIEW THAT LASTED ALMOST A HALF HOUR ON SATURDAY, MARCH 27TH. HERE WERE SOME OF MY COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.)

Q: I try to focus in on my experiences (“BECA”) because, as you know, you might say my ‘crusty conditioning’ led me to employment in the very corporate entertainment industry, where I witnessed basically how people cheat other people without even realizing that they’re doing something wrong. They’re just doing it because they want to contribute to this company that’s paying them all this money so, you know, they do what’s best for the company as opposed to what’s best for people. And then what eventually happens and it happened to me is downsizing — to show how much the company cares about you. And in my case it just happened to — the reason why I was downsized when there was a big company downsizing was because I’d been given a stock option and it took a year before it bonded. And they knew that Paramount was going to be merging with Viacom so, anyway, I was downsized. They knew they could hire me back as an independent contractor three months later. And then when they found out that I was making more money as an independent contractor the usual corporate games began like “Let’s renegotiate your rate.” And I said, “Well I’m sorry. I’m not going to renegotiate my rate.” You know? And so anyway they eventually come back because they know — because it’s hard to find good publicity writing, at least at the time because where I was working they liked good journalism. It was just (“SO”) — it was just fortunate because most of the business is hype, as you know. So, anyway, those — those types of games amongst people who know each other and are friends and, you know, what-have-you. So I’m no longer ever going to work in any corporate business . . . What I do and I don’t know if you’ve read any of my radio interviews but I discuss — I sort of connect the dots, so to speak, between famous cases of the so-called ‘paranormal’ based upon my own experiences. And when, of course, I was working at Paramount, I worked on a number of paranormal-themed films that also sort of helped me to connect the dots. Is that kind of just a little odd — parallels between my life and the paranormal? Just for example I was a talent agent before I was a publicist and one of my clients was Russ Tamblyn, who was one of the most unfortunate clients because nobody wanted him at all. This was, I guess, before “Twin Peaks.” But, you know, recently I — I don’t watch TV anymore but I — I notice that his daughter was cast in that “Joan of Arcadia” series, which from what I’ve heard sounds a lot like my experience. I wonder if my website or my experiences might have inspired or (“I[T]”) might have come from the Superconscious Mind so anything is possible. But, (“I”) you know, sometimes I’ll — I’ll read — I don’t go to movies anymore because I do — I did see how they were — it was brainwashing—especially television—but, you know, once in a while I’ll hear about films that make me see certain parallels like my — my brother had told me about “Breaking The Waves.” Did you ever see that? — which was I guess it was a foreign language film but the ending was very compelling. And, of course, the movie “Michael” with John Travolta. But that was probably the la(st) — one of the last movies I saw. I never saw, for example, (“THAT”) the movie “Phenomenon” . . . with me and — and my experiences, I had had a number of experiences like that one that you just named but until I went to Oklahoma and interviewed that family there, I — I just didn’t know what they meant. (“O”) I couldn’t see any parallel. I — I just didn’t understand any of it so that was really my — my beginning. And, of course, like you—I had — my parents had a terrible divorce—we would go to the weeken(d) — movies every weekend. I loved the old Hammer horror movies playing in Pasadena . . . and (“YOU KNOW”) the horrible things that you allow into your consciousness (“IN”) in some cases was one of the reasons why I don’t go to the movies anymore. So — even though it’s funny because (“I[T]”) in fact, let me just read you some — some of the films I’d worked on while I was at Paramount: okay “The Addams Family,” “The Butcher’s Wife,” “Coneheads,” “Cool World” even though they didn’t use my press kit for “Cool World” so I don’t al(ways mention it) — I wouldn’t mention that on the air, “Dead Again,” “Fire In The Sky,” the “Friday the 13th” films, “Ghost,” “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,” “The Indian In The Cupboard,” “Leap of Faith,” “Pet Sematary,” “Scrooged,” “Star Trek” films, the reissue of “The Ten Commandments,” “Vampire in Brooklyn,” “Virtuosity” — I mean those are just some of them. I mean — and so that was my preparation, so to speak, for — for my experiences . . . I made a mistake in my — my book because, you know, there are (“MM”) — there are people who’ve had so many experiences—like I’m one of them—that it’s hard really to know what’s going on. For example, in my book I — and I cha(nged) — cha(nged) — I fixed it — I added a little transcriber’s note on the website but I had this book that my brother had given me called the Necronomicon by Giger and in it — it looked like — like it had had an inscription by Salvador Dali. And it looked like he did it with a felt pen. Well I once had an experience as a child where it looked like this shadowy man with like a hat materialized, you know, in the living room under (“YOU KNOW”) very murky circumstances. I mean I didn’t even know then if it was my imagination then — that’s how — (“HOW”) how it was. But then I wondered after looking at the book that maybe the spirit of Salvador Dali had made this inscription. So I mentioned it but then later I found out that all of the — the issues of — of the book had that inscription. So I mean sometimes (“IT’S”) it’s hard to know really (“YOU KNOW”) to connect — to make the correct conclusions. So I — I think if you’re — if — if your perceptions aren’t constantly evolving, there’s something wrong . . . After I came back from Oklahoma and I had items manife(sting) — materializing around me, my — well my friends thought I was possessed. So, anyway, I had to go this — well they said it was, “We want you to go away and rest for the weekend” because I was staying up all night working on my book (“CAUSE I TH[OUGHT]”) — well, anyway, I didn’t realize it was like a mental facility because they were so concerned. So I signed myself in — I was only there like three — three (“FOUR”) — three or four days but — and they star(ted) — and they drugged me the moment I got in there even though I had said, “No medication.” But, anyway, in ord(er) — (“THEY” “WHEN”) they wanted to take me to court and — and all this stuff but (“IN”) instead they just said, “Okay, well we’ll release you but you have to start therapy.” So I started therapy with — my brother’s therapist knew Judith Orloff so I actually started therapy with Judith. Do you know her? Yeah. So, anyway, that’s — so that’s how I got into therapy . . . I self-published my book even though I mean good luck finding it at Amazon, for example, because there’s only, you know, hundreds of books with the same title — (“YOU KNOW”) John Grisham and all the, you know — I mean (“NOT” “NEED” “THIS”) they also put in like the Old Testament, New Testament — I mean (“ANYWAY”) — you actually (“E”) need my (ISBN) number in order to (“FI”) to find it. So I mean, you know, anyway. (“AM I” “BB”) It’s on barnesandnoble and things like that. I don’t — you know, my — everything is for fr(ee) — is free on the Internet. I didn’t want it to be (“JUST” “YOU KNOW”) spirituality for sale. I mean that would be — I was at a — (“AA”) an expo recently and it would’ve been horrendous for me trying to sell my — my experiences and my — and my book. It’s — it was so refreshing just to tell people about (“YOU KNOW”) my website. I was at The Conscious-Life Expo. It’s going to be a yearly expo here on Valentine’s Day (weekend). It was called something else last year. (” I — I”) I’ve gone both years but it’s very highly promoted and — because I have been to expos that aren’t promoted and it’s pretty much — it was not a waste of time because I met some interesting people, it just — I just didn’t feel — I didn’t feel like I was getting my money’s worth. (“AND”) You know (or “YOU KNOW”), I just didn’t like the other people who were selling — (“WHAT”) what they had to sell — and I got a headache from the channelers and the fortune tellers and the psychic readers. (“AN”) You know, I mean they’re — that’s why when I — when I studied (“LIKE”) channeling and I’ve looked at Edgar Cayce and Victor Hugo’s experience — (“N I”) it’s pretty easy to spot the ones who are completely phony. (“BUT”) It’s also hard to know because sometimes the spirits don’t necessarily tell the truth. So — or the aliens (“O”) or whatever. But (“YOU KNOW” “BUT”) usually when I get a headache that’s not a good sign . . . Well basically nobody gets involved with a book like this without a lot of Guidance. I am (or “I M”) right now I don’t really have the — you know, I’m not really able to set long-term and short-term goals. My short-term goals are to promote the website and eventually I would like to put wave files on the website. So I’m saving money toward that end. I’ve written off television interviews because of the — the editing and what I’ve seen in the past. Even though in my case there (“WA”) was already a half hour — half hour show based on the Oklahoma experience. It even aired on “20/20” so — so that’s sort of — it’s proof enough of that whole phase of my experience. (“IF” “AA”) Of course, (“I’D”) I wish they would bring it back. It was (“CALLED”) “Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test.” It was an unbelievably good documentary because it showed unbelievably supernatural things happening right on film. Even though they — for example, a chair moving. It might not seem like much but just show it to a ‘skeptic’ or to a ‘scientist’ or (“YOU KNOW” “A[T]”) — I don’t know, have you heard much about that — that show? . . . But see it was done though on — it seemed like ‘haunted house events.’ (“SO” “IT”) It — the people involved weren’t really too freaked out because this was a haunted house and this Spirit that they called Michael (“WOULD”) would do all kinds of sometimes funny things. Like one time they were driving past a police station and Twyla’s husband had just become a policeman. So the — this unseen Entity yelled out “PUSSIES” to the — to the — you know, to the police at the police station. And (“SO”) Twyla’s husband goes, “Am I one, Michael? Am I one?” And He answered, “YOU ARE NOW.” You know, it’s — it’s — I mean so there are — (“IT WAS”) funny. Some of the things were funny. They never felt threatened in any way. Neither have I . . . what happened with me — I mean I had — I always wanted to be a screenwriter. (“BUT”) What happened to me went way beyond my dreams — (“WW”) you know, way — I mean I could never have dreamed something, (“YOU KNOW”) you know, like — like this . . . .

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THERE WAS SOME INCORRECT INFORMATION AT THE CRUSTBUSTING.COM WEBSITE THE WEEK OF THE INTERVIEW AS FOLLOWS.)

“Angelic Guidance manifesting in the life of an entertainment industry publicity writer is a metaphor reminding us that we each are part of a divine process as we create from our subconscious and shared Superconscious mind,” states Mark Russell Bell. Mark has interviewed people who have experienced unexplained events and has captured these events in his books OLD TESTAMENT and NEW TESTAMENT. Bell, takes us on an investigation of a “talking poltergeist” haunting which evolved into the case study of a contemporary “Christed one” in TESTAMENT. NEW TESTAMENT is a non-fiction book with a Q&A interview/journal format. Subjects include poltergeists, aliens, bigfoot, synchronicity, angels, prophecies, reincarnation, psychic abilities, the Oneness of all spirit, Pop culture, Christ consciousness and events pertaining to what is sometimes referred to as the second coming. Mark has appeared on ABC and 20/20 sharing his experiences and findings.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I SENT PAT AN EMAIL STATING, “I NOTICED THE BIOGRAPHICAL INFO AT THE ‘CRUSTBUSTING’ WEBSITE AND HAVE A CORRECTION. RE: THE ABC SPECIAL AND ’20/20′ FEATURING THE FAMILY IN OKLAHOMA, I DID NOT MYSELF PARTICIPATE AT THIS WAS TAPED PRIOR TO MY VISIT; IN FACT, I MYSELF WILL NOT DO TELEVISION INTERVIEWS BECAUSE OF THE EDITING AND MANIPULATION THAT SO ROUTINELY GO ON IN TELEVISION REPORTING SO I HOPE YOU CAN TAKE OUT ‘MARK HAS APPEARED ON ABC AND 20/20 SHARING HIS EXPERIENCES AND FINDINGS.” PAT TOOK OUT THE LINE. I WAS ALSO SURPRISED TO READ THE FOLLOWING AT THE CRUSTBUSTING WEBSITE CONCERNING THE WEEKLY INTERNET SHOW.)

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(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 7TH, I WAS CALLED AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AT AROUND 11:15 A.M. AS THE INTERVIEW WOULD BE ABOUT 40 MINUTES.)

Q: Hello?

P: Hi. Good morning to you.

Q: Hi.

P: We’re on a short break right now.

Q: Hi, Dr. Pat.

B: Yeah, you want to make sure who you are. (small laugh)

P: How are you?

B: He’s like, “Who is this?”

P: Who is this? Well yes, I’m — I’m here with producer Benny Mathers.

B: Hello there, sir.

Q: Hi.

P: And this is Mark.

Q: Um-huh.

P: And we’re on a short break.

Q: Okay.

P: And when we come back, the first question that I’ll ask you is something that I ask everyone of my guests — hold on a minute, Mark.

B: Are we giving away tickets too?

P: Not today. We are going to be giving tickets away. (“RUN”) Between now and the event. Not today though.

B: Right. I want to give out when . . .

P: Okay.

B: . . . we are not today because we have a different guest who’ll be shortly joining us on the air . . .

P: We have a caller.

B: . . . alright? Bye.

P: Alright. Good.

B: Sorry.

P: How are you, Mark?

Q: I’m very good.

P: What I ask — I ask people, you know, to — you know, my guests — you know, here you and I are kind of sitting down and we’re having a conversation. And you’ve written two books now and have done many other things in your life. And sometimes we make it look like it’s been a cakewalk, pretty easy. Has that been your experience? What are some of the challenges you had in getting your message out?

Q: Um-huh. Okay, that’s — (“THAT’S A”) a good question.

P: Alright.

B: It leaves you wondering already.

Q: Well no, I already have an answer.

B: Okay, good. (laughs)

P: And you’re down in California, right?

Q: Right. In Southern California.

P: Yeah.

Q: In the vall(ey) — San Fernando Valley.

P: Yeah.

Q: It’s a sunny day today. I think it’s in the 70s.

B: We’re just jealous, that’s all.

Q: You’re in Seattle?

B: Yes —

P: Yes, we are.

B: — we’re a little overcast but —

P: . . . a little rain this month.

B: We got some — we got some sun poking through somewhere.

Q: Um-huh. (or “UM-HUH” X) And (X) — so in my introduction, d(id) — did you, do you like, read the news release? (“OR”) Did you do anything like that?

P: Yes, I did. And when we come back, I will — read a little bit more.

Q: Okay.

P: But I did do — I did read — read the — the main thrust of the news release.

Q: Um-huh.

P: And generally my questions will have you come back and talk about it.

Q: Okay, and I’m well-experienced in that.

P: Cool.

Q: Um-huh. (or “UM-HUH”)

B: We are coming back in.

P: We’re coming back.

Q: Okay.

P: Welcome back, everyone. You’re listening to “Crustbusting Your Way To An Awesome Life” with me, Dr. Pat and —

B: Co-host and producer and extraordinare of everything else — I hope so. (laughs)

P: Producer Benny.

B: That’s me.

P: Touch finger.

B: Whoo!

P: Alright.

B: What’s going on?

P: Well we have a special guest with us today, Mark Russell Bell, and we have a lot to talk about. He has written two unbelievable books and we are going to attempt to explore them in, you know, a — a very short period of time. But I mentioned earlier that, you know, he had an unbelievable experience in Oklahoma interviewing a contemporary family. And there are many, many other things like that, that we’re going to talk about. (“SO”) Let’s get right to it. Welcome to the show, Mark. How are you?

Q: Very good, Pat.

P: Thank you so much for coming on today.

Q: I’m delighted.

P: You know, let me ask you the question that I ask everyone. It kind of goes like this. Here you and I are, you with a couple of books, you know, on your list of accomplishments on some unbelievable experiences — those experiences highlighted on “20/20” in television. And we’re sitting here. We’re going to have a conversation — sounds like the slide and glide of light. What have been some of the challenges for you in getting your message out there?

Q: Well first regarding — regarding the television — the “20/20,” there was a special called “Ghosts, Mediums, Psychics: Put To The Test” that featured a family in Oklahoma that was experiencing what this — the people called a ‘talking poltergeist.’ And I went to interview this family. However, what happened to me is my long history of researching the paranormal led me to interview this family and it wasn’t a cakewalk. Because what happened is I found the Angelic organizing Force of the universe revealing Himself/Her — Herself/Themselves to me based on my belief systems. And so when you get into this area of a Superconsciousness or Oneness of Spirit or even using the word God, although if you look at famous paranormal cases the Spirit really prefers the term ‘Son of God’ —

P: Um-huh.

Q: You really find yourself almost ostracized by other people because it’s almost taboo in a — in a capitalistic society, unfortunately, to address this. And I was working at Paramount Pictures preceding my experience. And — you know, a highly corporate world and it’s not really — the corporate environment is not really a place where you consider the effects of your actions, (“AN”) the effects of movies upon the public consciousness, and etc. So people really don’t like to deal with taking responsibility for their own actions instead of doing something for a company or hierarchy in some way.

P: Let me ask you this question. I mean in — and it goes even back a little further. How did you come to be called (X) to do this work? I mean how did you get connected to looking at things that some people would say are unexplained? Is this something you’ve always been drawn to?

Q: Well what happened to me is I ex(X)perienced a few unexplained — what people call (X) ‘paranormal events’ as a child.

P: Okay.

Q: And (“SUCH AS”) once I heard a disembodied voice (X) calling my name when I was five or six. (X) I went all through our apartment trying to figure out if this was a friend (X) or what was this? And it was something I could never really put out of my mind. And I did have one other experience (X) where I did hear a disembodied voice and that was in my late 30s while I was working at Paramount. One night I heard, “FATHER I HAVE WAITED SO LONG.” And it freaked me out at the time but (or “BUT”) what do you do with something like this? It’s not something you really talk about. So in my case I did have some stra(nge) — other strange experiences as a child. I did have fainting attacks as a child. (X) So I was always very much interested in consciousness. And I had some (X) early writing success, winning awards in high school, which allowed me to be accepted into the USC cinema department, which was followed by a career in Hollywood, which you might say is the world’s dream factory.

P: Um-huh.

Q: So as movies are more hype than reality, I eventually found myself in sort of the pivotal job of being publicity writer at Paramount. My job really was to capture on (“THE”) the written page (X) how a film is (to be) perceived by the media and the public. (X) And in my spare time, of course, I was working on a book chronicling cases of talking poltergeists throughout history. So at — just as the time when I finished this book I heard about a contemporary family experiencing a (X) talking poltergeist phenomena. And I have that magazine (article) in the book. So I went to interview the (X) family. And there were all kinds of bizarre things that happened there. (“WELL”) First of all, the family thought that aliens were living with them. The special focused on the poltergeist aspects because that’s really what people are more accustomed to. However, there was insect phenomena; I heard spirit utterings; materialization of objects. So it was — and other — bizarre things were happening even before my trip. Like at the department of — publicity department at Paramount, one of the assistants said, “You look like a wise old owl,” because he’d never seem me wearing glasses before. And it turned out the city I went to, Centrahoma, once was called Owl. So there were all these bizarre sort of details that I’ve spent some connecting the dots to, so to speak.

P: Well you created sort of a blueprint. And you know when I took a look at some of the material, I looked at some of the movies you are — were affiliated with. Tell our listening audience some of the movies at Paramount that you were affiliated with as a publicist.

Q: Well “The Addams Family” —

P: Kind of unbelievable. Go ahead.

Q: “The Addams Family” movies.

P: Uh-huh.

Q: “Dead Again” about reincarnation, of course.

P: Right.

Q: I guess “Ghost” is probably one of the best-known films I worked on.

P: That’s right.

B: Patrick Swayze.

P: That’s right.

Q: “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.” “Pet Sematary.”

P: Um-huh.

Q: “Scrooged” I think is another one of —

B: A classic.

Q: Well —

B: I like it. (laughs)

Q: I think the same — I think Dickens might have had a — an experience similar to mine.

B: Oh.

Q: But — and plus (“THERE”) there was a reissue of “The Ten Commandments” that I worked on.

P: Um-huh.

Q: Several “Star Trek” films.

P: Exactly.

Q: And lesser-known films too like Eddie Murphy’s little-known “Vampire in Brooklyn.” And “Virtuosity” which was sort of an earlier film than those other films that became so successful with Keanu Reeves. I don’t go to the movies anymore.

P: I know. You told me that.

Q: Yeah.

P: I can see why. You’ve been around them, you know, it sounds like for quite a long time. And how — how do you — now how do you think that your — let me ask you this question because it — it sounds like a chicken/egg question to me.

Q: Um-huh. (“THAT”)

P: Did the movie experience sort of, you know, fill what was going on for you inside or did your experience inside draw you to these movies? How did these — how did these things work together? How would you explain this phenomenon of your life? is the question.

Q: Well it was definitely preparation but I didn’t realize it. The reason why I accepted the job at Paramount was because I had been a screenwriter and I thought this would help me with my connections in Hollywood — or in my case, Hollyweird. Because before I’d had a few screenplays that almost were greenlighted. (“BUT”) At the last moment, the company would lose its money or there was (X) a — a problem with the person who I’d written it for — with his ego-wise because I’d rewritten his work. Or something. So — and then so I — I had bizarre experiences. (“BUT”) They were always sort of educational experiences too because in the corporate world you really do see a lot of different tactics being used by different people to get ahead. And so there were — for example, I worked on “Fire in the Sky” which is — I’m almost ashamed to say it now because the film distorts the original book which may or may not have been true — (“AN” “MM”) makes the aliens into these cannibalistic monsters almost. So it just shows how the corporate system distorts ideas into what’s most commercial.

P: Um-huh.

Q: And you’re a part of this without even taking responsibility for it. I’ve interviewed Travis Walton and, of course, he didn’t even see the film before it was released and he was obviously used in publicity but I’m sure now he’s just horrified at (“THE”) the special effects and how the aliens were depicted. I mean body parts aboard a spaceship — I mean it’s just awful. (“BUT” “YOU KNOW”) At the time, I — in fact I started researching UFO cases in preparation to work on the film. And (X) the case itself — I’d written other — I — I — (“HAD”) read other UFO books and it struck me as sort of a hard to believe case because he’d just been away so long. (“AN”) And I really don’t — haven’t made up my mind about it (“TO THIS”) to date. But that was the type of experience I was having. In fact, I found an old cassette from — (“THEY” X) I got an answering phone — I guess it was from the head of marketing’s office and the person (X) calling on this old recorded message — the last name of the person was Bell.

P: Mmm.

Q: Which I thought was sort of (“A NEW”) unusual. There’s been this bell synchronicity throughout my life without even me being aware of it until my experience interviewing the family. Because I’d (X) researched the Bell Witch case. And it turned out that this family in Centrahoma whose name was Mc Wethy in the magazine that I originally read also had the Bell surname because that was her name before she remarried — (X) the mother of the family. So —

P: These are kind of interesting connections, aren’t they?

Q: Yeah. And so — and so that’s why the book really — they’re really is no substitute for the book because you have to read in-between the lines, so to speak, and really see how this — (X) how my personal experiences can become sort of proof of what you might call a Superconsciousness. And (X “AN[Y]WAY”) I call it “organizing, Angelic Force” — sort of like in the play “Cats” and the character who goes on to “a new jellicle ([an]gelical) life” at the end who has — whose name is similar to the ‘bell’ name. So it’s sort of (“BEEN” “I”) — the book sort of (X) has my impressions (“AN”) — attempts to connect the dots, so to speak.

P: Let’s talk a little bit about your experience in Oklahoma and what that was like. I — I haven’t shared any of the details of that and I think it’d be interesting for you to talk about, you know — what you were called to do and what you actually did and — and what some of the specific experiences were for you.

Q: Well one o(f) — (“THE”) of course, they told me many things about their haunting Entity, which really manifested in different spirit voices, including aliens. And one of the things they told me was that — they called all these different names by the nickname ‘Michael’ because that seemed to be the main haunting Presence. And they told me that there was a spirit named Michael who actually would have long conversations with different people in the town who would come into the house. But also He would say — like He — one of the words he said a lot was the word “YEAH.” So when I was listening to the tapes (“WHEN”) after coming home here to L.A. and I was still having materializations and other odd things happening, I heard these obvious spirit messages on my interview tapes. This was before I even knew what “electronic voice phenomena” was.

P: Um-huh. (“IN”)

Q: Including there were a lot of “YEAH”s so (“I”) — after this I became much more aware of how prominent that particular word is, let’s say, in songs that you hear on the radio. And then I remembered back to — I had been a talent agent before I was a publicist and one of my clients was an actor by the name of Victor Rogers who, coincidentally or not, his only dialogue in (“THE”) the well-known movie “Thoroughly Modern Millie” was “Yeah yeah yeah.” So — one of the questions (that) has come up from the way I talk about this case is, “Why is Michael/Mighael communicating in such subtle ways, (“TO” “IN”) such bizarre ways?” And the answer to that is: because the meaning has to be very clear. We each as individual human beings are aspects of this organizing Force, as every animal and thing that exists so (X) we’re all constantly interacting with the Superconscious Mind of the universe. (X) So (“AN”) and what I do in the book is connect famous cases of the paranormal with my own experiences. So one of the things I like to say is that by reading the book, which is free of charge on the Internet —

P: Yes. Why don’t you give out the site — website right now?

Q: Testament dot org. So, anyway, you can become richer than any billionaire by reading this book because the parallels in some of the — the most famous cases — (“OF”) paranormal cases involve (“LIKE”) “the treasure” — like in Edgar Cayc, for example. People don’t realize where Edgar Cayce is concerned that the reason why the treasure was no (or “NO”) — never really found was because the Entity was referring to a spiritual treasure.

P: Um-huh.

Q: And in the original Bell Witch case there was an anecdote where the family members were told to look for (“AA”) buried treasure and then (“HE”) He teased them later on.

P: Um-huh.

Q: In fact, one of the books I read recently was The Geller Effect by Uri Geller (co-authored by Guy Lyon Playfair) and he had an experience in 1975 where he described quote “a sudden explosion in my head, and a loud cry, followed by a long echo and the building-up of a pressure that became unbearable. My mind was filled with a single thought: why had I used my powers for my own gain?” This was after he won like 17,000 pounds at a London casino. So as — that’s what I — I sort of do is, based on my experiences, it allows me to see correlating details in other paranormal cases. And I see how it’s the same haunting Presence in each one. For example, (“THE”) The Haunting of Cashen’s Gap which had this talking mongoose that the family said they were living with — a talking mongoose. Well it seemed very hard to believe and (“BUT”) it was because there was this motive by the haunting Presence to allow somebody perceptive to sort of connect the dots between that and other famous poltergeist hauntings where there is this talking element to make a leap in consciousness, so to speak.

P: What was that like for you? (“WHAT I”) What I’m struck by and — and let’s — let’s give our fol(ks) — let’s give folks some background because I think we’ve talked a little bit about your history and, you know, your relationship with different aspects of unexplained events and how, you know, you aligned with certain movies in that way. And then you were drawn to Oklahoma. How did you actually get to go to Oklahoma to visit with this — in this house?

Q: Well what happened is I picked up Fortean Times magazine, which is published in the book and at the website.

P: Right.

Q: And it said “America’s Talking Poltergeist” right on the cover.

P: Okay.

Q: So I contacted the family. They didn’t have a phone at the time because of their budget —

P: Um-huh.

Q: — and asked them to call me collect. So I have that — those initial calls — (“THOSE A[RE]”) those are the first transcripts in the book. And one of the first questions I asked them was (“I[F]”) if the spirit had used the nickname ‘Pots’ because in two of the cases, the one I just mentioned that took place on the Isle of Man and then the Bell Witch case, the haunting Presence had used this nickname for different family members. And I couldn’t see how these two different cases were — could be connected but obviously they were through this cryptic nickname.

P: Um-huh.

Q: Now we have Harry Potter, which is another sort of interesting tidbit.

P: (small laugh) Totally. So then you packed up your stuff and you went to Oklahoma?

Q: Yeah. I went there for a — for a weekend and I ended up getting over 200 pages of written material in the book are all just based on those interviews verbatim. And one of the questions I asked the family was (X) ‘Have you ever experienced a missing time episode?’

P: Um-huh.

Q: And the spirit message was something to the effect ‘RIGHT NOW’/’YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.’

P: Mm — oohh.

Q: Because usually when I — when I’d done interviews in the past for different movies I’d worked on, you’d be lucky to get maybe a couple pages of really good information.

P: Um-huh. (“BUT”)

Q: Literally, everything I had concerning anecdotes of the family with this haunting Presence was good. And a lot of the time I had the tape recorder off so when I think back of what was happening, I do remember that the children seemed to go to the bathroom an awful lot. But it was a missing time episode. In fact, (X) this se(emed) — time did not seem to be working the usually way. I seemed to have more time.

P: Mm. Wow. Let’s take a short break, Mark, and when we come back let’s talk more about that and I’d (“LI”) love to hear what some of your un — just totally, you know (or “YOU KNOW”), life-altering experiences have been in this world and get your perspective on some of the other stories that you mention in your book.

Q: Okay.

P: So stay tuned. You — you’re listening to “Crustbusting Your Way To An Awesome Life” with me, Dr. Pat, producer Benny, and we’re on 11 to noon Monday through Friday. And when we come back we’ll hear more of the Mark Russell Bell story with some of these unbelievable angelic forces out there. We’ll be right back.

B: We are clear.

P: Hi, Mark.

Q: Hi.

P: Great. So wh(at) — when we come back, what I think would be — I — I probably’d like to ask you a couple questions like, you know, has there — has — is there a story or an experience that you had that really rocked your world?

Q: Well maybe I might even talk about working in Hollywood because everyone’s so preoccupied by celebrity. And that issue keeps coming up for me.

P: Hollywood? (“YEAH”)

Q: Yeah. Maybe just talking about — about one of my experiences there.

P: Well does — what is it — give me a little background on that.

Q: Okay. Well — well just some(thing) — I would say (“LIKE”) in my life there’s all these bizarre religious metaphors like for example the Paramount mountain. Like ‘Moses going to the mountain.’

P: Yeah.

Q: And so there were other metaphors as well. And — I don’t know. It’s just that — (X) when I went — at a recent expo, people were — they’re always so interested in celebrities.

P: Well I think it’s less so on this show.

Q: Yeah. Well that’s good.

P: I think folks want to hear about your personal experience.

Q: Um-huh. Um-huh.

P: They want to know in — if, you know, what — because I — a lot of people experience this stuff. And I experienced it as a young child but a lot of what our lives were is validated by what we see and what we hear.

Q: Um-huh. Right.

P: And we’re made to think we’re crazy. You know, have — did you have that experience where you — you know, you had these observations. You caught this stuff on tape and yet, you know, (X) people didn’t — weren’t listening. I mean that would be one thing. I — I think what would be really good is to really talk about some specific things that you’ve observed and let folks know, you know, what — what some of these experiences were. I mean when you were in Oklahoma or in other places — other things you observed, did you ever second guess yourself? Did you ever say, “Wow, I didn’t really see that.”

Q: Oh I see. Okay.

P: Yeah. I think they really want to hear more about, you know, your experience with these un d(isc) — unbelievable discoveries.

Q: Um-huh.

P: I don’t think our listening au(dience) — I think our listening audience — I’m not sure, you know, that they’re as interested in — in celebrity stuff —

Q: Well no — yeah, I mean I — I didn’t really mean — more of a — more of it as a lesson.

P: Oh that — that would be good.

Q: Um-huh.

P: That would be great.

Q: Yeah. I mean I — I — I — I — actually when I first started promoting the book, I made the mistake of going on some of those morning zoo shows where all they care about is, you know, that, which was —

P: Okay —

Q: — you know —

P: — great.

Q: — awful. (X)

P: Let me ask that question then when we come back.

Q: Okay.

P: I’ll try to a(sk) —

Q: Okay, I’ll try to tie (“NN”) — tie it all in.

P: Okay, good. (pause)

Q: By the way, Pat?

P: Yeah, Mark?

Q: Did you notice my (X) — my author photo in the — in the Testament side? I — there’s this bizarre Frito Lay shirt I’m wearing?

P: Oh I’ll have to go back and look.

Q: That was sort of a — (“AA SHHHH”) a shirt that came to me in a bizarre way.

P: Wow.

B: We’ve got to come back in.

P: Well let’s talk about that.

Q: Okay.

B: Hang tight. We’re about to go on the air.

P: Oh welcome back. You’re listening to “Crustbusting Your Way to an Awesome Life” with me, Dr. Pat, and, you know, producer Benny and Mark Russell Bell, author of two books: old Testament, New Testament and he talks about his amazing life experiences in the world of the paranormal. You know, Mark, I’m not even sure I understand what that means: paranormal. What does that mean to you? Like para —

Q: Well I think it’s (X) — it’s a very easy meaning of just being something out of the ordinary.

P: Alright, good. Good. We need to ta(ke) — we — we do that normal/not normal thing, you know? (small laugh)

Q: Um-huh.

P: Although I’ve been talking to, you know, things I can’t see for a lot of my life.

Q: Well sometimes its paranormal when you can get a good parking space.

P: Oh totally parking karma, isn’t it?

Q: Um-huh.

P: Let me ask you this. You’ve got these two books and you had this book and you had this amazing experience and now you’re ready and Mark — Mark Russell Bell is taking his story out to the world. How did you do that? What was that like for you?

Q: Well it’s — it’s — it’s actually chronicled in the book because the book is sort of a documentary (X) of the making of the book. One of the things I did was to drop off the book with Sherry Lansing at Paramount. And it didn’t really — it didn’t really work well because (“WHILE”) while people might appreciate the paranormal as a topic for movies — fictional movies; in real life, it’s (“ANOTHER”) another thing. So I actually show how I was basically led to — to make the book. I met all the right people. I decided definitely to self-publish it so I wouldn’t have to change anything.

P: Um-huh.

Q: Because, for example, (“THEY”) the spirit messages/EVP in — in parentheses, I’m sure any publisher would want to take that out because it was just, at the time, (“YOU KNOW”) before 1997 it was just something unheard of. But yet I had to be faithful (“TO”) to my experience. So what happened at — when I went to interview the family in Oklahoma is that when I came home the occurrences were continuing if not escalating around me. So —

P: Oh it didn’t stop? So you went to Oklahoma, you actually entered a world that you hadn’t entered before.

Q: Um-huh.

P: You came home and now you brought that world with you?

Q: Well it had always been in my life but I’d always explained it away until (“I[T]”) I was sort of formally introduced through the bizarre things that happened. There’s one — a few parallel incidents I usually mention to help people understand. In the Bell Witch case, for example, one of the famous things that happened was the haunting Entity repeated two different ministers’ sermons in their voices after they’d spoken at different locations at the same time earlier in the day. W(ell) — well when I was in Centrahoma interviewing Twyla Eller, she told me an incident where she’d heard her sister and her friend talking about a (X) flat tire. And then a little while later she witnessed the exact conversation so she told me it was as if their house had recorded it before it had happened.

P: Mm.

Q: I later thought of these occurrences when I came to L.A. because my TV was going on and off whenever I began to wa(tch) — to watch it, it would go off. So once I turned on MTV’s “The Real World” set in London and at that exact moment one of the roommates began complaining (“THAT”) their telephone service had stopped working. And then my TV blipped off. So, again, it was this Force allowing me to see the range of it’s (X) power.

P: Kind of a reminder.

Q: Right.

P: Um-huh.

Q: So I quickly realized I wasn’t meant to watch television, which is sort of mind control anyway. P: Was that the last time you turned on your TV set?

Q: Um —

P: Pretty close, I bet.

Q: Pretty close.

P: Uh-huh.

Q: Pretty close. But it would come on once in a while. Like once it came on to a bit of a commercial that said “Love is the only religion” and then went off.

P: And this is by itself — your TV set going on and off?

Q: Right.

P: Right.

Q: Oh yeah.

P: You’re not on the remote control.

Q: No — no.

P: Wow. (“N”)

Q: And so that’s just an example. And plus — another thing I was — was doing when I ca(me) — I came to — back to L.A. is that (X) I was confronted by this religious symbolism. For example, while interviewing the family in Oklahoma a nail materialized, (“N”) bounced off my head. (“SO”) That was sort of a religious symbol and then I’d worked at Paramount with the mountain logo which was sort of like Moses going to the mountain. I’d actually experienced two burning bushes (“THE”) the previous summer outside my condo in Echo Park.

P: Um-huh.

Q: And, by the way, you know Echo Park is famous for the Angelus Temple and lotuses that bloom every year. And they have a lotus festival. By the way, my condo complex — how many condo complexes do you know that have an actual Bodhi Tree growing (“O[N]”) on the premises? Even though I didn’t find that out until about the time I moved out and went to live in Santa Monica. But so, again, there were all these different (“YES”) symbols in my life so I realized that this really was the — the organizing God/Force. Even though that’s — the word God is so misused that it’s not really a very good word to use. Unfortunately, because people — people think of God . . . (change of tape side) . . . heaven waiting to pronounce judgement; when I look upon God as us each being a — an iota of — connected with this larger Consciousness. So this Spirit has a separate Identity as well as the identity represented by each of us here on Earth.

P: You know, I’m — I’m so struck by what you’re talking about right now. I’ll tell you, this is the Voice that I just heard. You’re talking about all of the symbols, all of the messages that you — you have been paying a (or “AA”) — very, very, very close attention to. So what I’m hearing is that you seem to operate in our world with an acute awareness of things that happen. And, you know, you kind of put together a puzzle, a form of communication. The question I have for our listening audience and I want to open up the line. The question I have is have — you know, have — have you had symbols that have showed up in your life and hadn’t really realized what it was at the time but then later on said, “Oh yes, that’s what it must be.” Or maybe in fact you did. I mean what you’re talking about, Mark, is — you’re talking about different things that are happening that you’re — you’re awake and aware of. I think a lot of times, at least for me, I’ve been awake and aware but there’ve been a lot of times in my life where I have not. And (or “AND”) so I just wonder — I’m just struck by how much communication might be happening that we’re — that we just don’t hear in the busyness. So let me give out our phone number. If you have a question or comment, wanted to speak with Mark, want to tell your story, want to talk about your symbol — (gives number). That’s (gives number); (gives second number twice) or you can send me an Email at live@crustbusting.com. And we’re asking the question have you seen things in your life. (“IN YOUR”) Has some — has something happened where you thought, “Wow, what did I just see right there? What was that about?” And, you know, if you — if you have something like that though that went on, we’re — we’d love to hear from you in support of that vision or those symbols. Mark, while we are opening — opening up the lines and (“YOU KNOW”) waiting for our listeners to call, has there been, you know, an experience that has happened or some phenomena that you have come across where, you know, you really — (“YOU KNOW”) just blew you away? Is there one story in particular that you could think of where you thought, “Oh my goodness.”

Q: Well I — I think it would have to be in my New Testament side of the website — my experiences when I took out (“AN”) an ad at Daily Variety (X) because they had promised me a certain placement and then not given it to me. And, anyway, what happened with that whole series of events is that I did have a full-page ad in Variety and it totally was ignored by (X) people in Hollywood. I guess since then I’ve thought about the metaphor of the word ‘wood’ in Hollywood. On one level, it may prophesy some kind of rejection (“OR”) or crucifixion because people don’t really want to hear about a Christ Force that’s interacting with us at every moment. They’d rather God not be witnessing all of our little foibles and faux pas (“N”) and errors that we make on a daily basis. (X) But since this is a (X) Spirit of Love, I can say based on my own adventures and misadventures, that’s proof enough too of the forgiveness aspect.

P: And what was the forgiveness aspect of what you’re talking about?

Q: Well just how I went about trying to publicize the book and my experiences. I — I didn’t really come from a place of love. I just took for granted that everyone would — would see the importance —

P: Oh right.

Q: — and want to help.

P: Right.

Q: But that’s not really — really the case. For example, I worked on the movie “Braveheart” — Mel Gibson’s “Braveheart” and the real William Wallace is nothing like the depiction in the film.

P: Um-huh.

Q: So it’s ironic now with his latest success. (“BUT”) I personally think that his movie might be a little superficial because I’ve read books that look at the roots of Christianity like by authors such as (John) Dominic (X) Crossan (“AND” “TT”) and Tony Bushby. And notice how symbolic their names are. (“BUT”) I just think that his latest movie too is sort of — (“IS”) doesn’t really go against anyone’s grain, so to speak. It just pretty much presents the accepted — the common accepted perception of (“THE”) the — the story or tale rather than really looking at what really happened (“AT”) at the roots of Christianity.

P: We were talking about that movie earlier today, “The Passion of Christ.”

Q: Um-huh.

P: And that’s what you’re referring to when you talk about Mel Gibson’s movie. And you know there’s been (“I”) — there’s been a little dialogue about the movie and, you know, what is real and what is not real. And that’s what we’re talking about today, you know. The question is your experience and what you’ve brought forth has been documenting (“YO”) experiences of others — that others have had with the Angelic Force —

Q: Right.

P: — in the world.

Q: And, of course, we all experience that.

P: We all experience it. Some of us, though–and this is what we’re saying and this is what I was really struck by as you were talking–you apparently are really plugged in. You’re plugged in and alert and aware. (X “WELL”)

Q: Well the Force has even given me heart palpitations at specific times to let me know that my heart doesn’t beat once without this Spiritual participation.

P: Mm.

Q: I went to see the movie “12 Monkeys” and I can’t remember the exact circumstances in the film. That was one of the last movies I went to see. I had heart palpitations and when I was discussing this afterwards with my friend Marie I started having them again. And I made some joke like “Mighael’s palpitating my heart like in the movie ‘Exorcist II: The Heretic.'”

P: Oh.

Q: The reason why — I was finding all these parallels with movies. It made me realize just how controlled my perceptions and mind was by what I had seen in the media.

P: Um-huh.

Q: And I must say that the quality of my life has really gone up considerably since (“JUST”) I’ve stopped going to the movies and watching television. (“I”) A lot of — there’s a lot of ugly ideas that you don’t even realize are — are getting put into your head.

P: Um-huh. By the — by the media?

Q: Yeah. And how you emulate things — I — I think some people spend their whole life imitating what they see in movies and TV shows without even realizing what they’re doing.

P: Um-huh. Yeah, I wonder about that as well. And we do that. We kind of, you know —

Q: Um-huh.

P: — you see something on TV and then all of a sudden you’re using the language of it. And (or “AND”) did you do that so that, you know, you could be more open to what you were hearing or did it just — I mean, you know, it sounds like for a — a — you know, for a lot of us that have very busy schedules, that are doing a lot — it sounds like you are still a pretty busy guy. I mean a pretty busy person. You were out there really doing your life but at the same time you were still open to hearing the messages that were being sent to you. How can we as individuals be more open to hearing messages?

Q: Just being aware that they are there for you. In my case, I had to make a living so I began working temp jobs. And my belief system was that pennies were a good sign and that quarters and dimes were a warning sign. And sure enough when I would take a job that Spirit didn’t want me to have, I usually was tipped off in advance by seeing a quarter, which is sort of (“BIZ”) bizarre. (“BUT” “THAT WAS”) That was my particular belief system based upon my previous experiences.

P: Um-huh. And you made those associations.

Q: Well, for example, once the head of the temp agency had told me a job was one thing. It was ‘helping people — (“WITH” “THEIR”) their medical situations’ but it really was just a — an offshoot of an insurance company. So, you know, I was — I was going into something not realizing what it really was.

P: Um-huh.

Q: So and sure enough that morning there was a quarter right outside my car. (X) So (“I”) I was prepared, so to speak.

P: I’m going to have to pay more attention. And it’s true. I mean I notice things in my own life. I mean I — I really do. I notice things that show up over and over again. I just — I haven’t really (“YEAH”) put it all together over time but since I — I read your material and have prepared to talk with you, I’ve — (“IT”) I’ve certainly started now to pay attention to the things that, you know, show up and asking myself, you know, how many times have I seen that? You know, how many times have I seen that? And, you know, what did it mean when I was six years old and what does it mean today?

Q: Well and plus (“IN THE”) in the fam(ous) — life, for example, in the — the 20th Century, there have been many medium accounts. For example Eileen Garrett or Polish psychic Stefan Ossowiecki or Frederick Bligh Bond — I mean you keep hearing terms like “Universal Memory.”

P: Right.

Q: “The Consciousness of the One Spirit.” “Superconscious.” “Universal Mind.” “Collective Unconscious.” “Over-Soul.” Or “Underlying Oneness.” And you can’t help but come to the conclusion that I think (“THAT”) that I came to and that’s why I have my documentary style in — in the book. Some other famous happenings around that — along that line was Rosemary Brown who passed a few years ago was a British housewife who became a medium (X) for (X “TH[E]”) dead great (X) composers who actually would (X) channel new compositions through her, which sort of recalls the previous century when Victor Hugo for two year engaged in various seances. (“WHERE”) A myriad of famous authors were communicating via table tapping. So, again, this Superconsciousness is not limited by merely physical being manifestations like you and me but also can speak in these other individual aspects, from the famous to the obscure. And that’s — if you really research these cases like I have, you can — you can see that very clearly.

P: Well that is very interesting because I was — a — a couple of years back we were around a — a — a family table, let’s say, and there was a young — young boy and he loved to tap on the table with pencils. So, you know, we’d be sitting around and he’d be tapping, right?

Q: Um-huh.

P: You know, just like I’m tapping now. And — and he’d tap tap tap and he loved to tap and, you know, of course the results was blah blah blah “Stop tapping.” And, you know — and then finally I sat down and I — (“SAY”) because I grew up liking to tap things. And of course I was the same thing. “Stop the tapping.” And I asked him — (“I SA[ID]”) I said to him one day — I said, “Wow, you really like to tap. I bet you’re going to be a drummer.” I said, “You know, how come you like to tap so much?” You know, (“ONE”) and he said — you know what he told me?

Q: What?

P: I didn’t share this with his parents but he said, “Well, you know, I’m talking.” I said, “Well who are you talking to?” He said, “Oh I’m talking. You know, I’m — I’m, you know, I’m (“THE”) — you know, I’m talking to, you know, my friends and, you know, they’re talking back. And this is the way we talk. And I really didn’t put it together because, you know, my experience, you know, growing up was — you know, I — I had a few things happen. But I wonder how often we just blow this stuff off? You know, we just — “Oh that’s just, you know, little Jimmy tapping on the table” and not pay attention to sort of — especially with the young people here.

Q: And sometimes we talk without even listening to ourselves or really — I mean sometimes we really don’t give much thought to what we say and —

P: I know.

Q: — it might even be channeled.

P: Well that’s true. I mean I — I talk a little bit about, you know, how I start my day each day. And I do start my day, you know, asking questions. And I ask questions. You know, I ask Spirit, you know, each day, “What is mine to do today?” And believe me, I get some answers. And, you know, and (or “N”) — and those are the things I — I really think about. Some days, you know, I — I like what I hear and it’s easier for me to do that. And other days I hear things and I’m not really sure about it. Have you heard things or have seen things that you just have not been able to make meaning of? It (X) sounds like you — you make meaning of so many . . .

Q: Well I’ve had a few things that I — for example, once it felt like a giraffe-like creature was walking on my bed while I was — you know, while I was waking up —

P: Um-huh.

Q: — which was bizarre. And I had rapping on my window after moving here to the valley. I have windows that are about 6 feet off the ground so they’re not easily seen out of.

P: Um-huh.

Q: But (or “BUT”) a lot of the things I experience are only too clear in terms of this Interaction with a Oneness. For example, I remember once I was upset at something and I looked down at my brother’s cat and (“I[T]”) it’s lower jaw made this like yawning movement (X) but it didn’t really look like a (X) natural yawn. It looked like something was pulling down her lower jaw. And (X) I’ve even had — been at like social gatherings — (X) once I was talking about (X) something that Mighael Who — that’s my name for the Entity —

P: Um-huh.

Q: — (X) seemed uncomfortable and I suddenly had this case of complete laryngitis. It really felt like something was pinching my vocal chords, which sort of was a — a message not to (X) talk about this particular subject and I don’t even remember what it was frankly.

P: Uh-huh. Wow. It’s funny. Michael is an Archangel, you know?

Q: Right, um-huh. (Or “UM-HUH”)

P: No relationship, right?

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Q: Well (X) I’ve al(so) — also had all (X) these Michaels throughout my life. I mean dozens and dozens of Michaels. So that’s another tip-off. My twin brother is named Michael. So, anyway, (“THAT”) that’s one — one thing (“AT”) I think you can see in the book.

P: Um-huh.

O: I’ve also had some unusual experiences (X) with people named Bob, which is a — (“WHICH”) seems to be the other (X) side of my particular case.

P: That’s very interesting because I was announcing the — someone that was helping me the other day and it was a person named Lynn. And I talk about my best friend Linda. And I have a lot of Lindas showing up. And I just thought the other day, “Wow, must be that everybody, you know, must’ve named their children or something ‘Linda.’ And that, of course, is not true. And it just made me step back and — and think about that a little bit. Especially after reading your material.

Q: Um-huh.

P: You know, let’s — let’s take a minute to give out some information on how folks can visit your website and find out more about this.

Q: Okay. The website is testament dot org. On the homepage (X) at the (X) bottom you (X) can see my Email address (X) to click on because I’d (X “GLA”) be glad to answer any questions you might have (X) and I’m sure (X) there are many questions (X) because it is very difficult (X) material — (X) the fact that one of us has to actually deal with (X) a Super(X)consciousness Who wants to reveal Themselves to the world, so to speak. It is a very difficult (X) situation but They certainly chose somebody who is willing to talk about it and share their own foibles and mistakes in (X) life. (X) For example, I worked as a pornographer when I — in my (X) final year of (X) college. So I’m (X) definitely (X) somebody who has had a lot of evolving to do.

P: Um-huh. I totally agree with that. (SPIRIT SMALL LAUGH) (laughs) We’re evolving as we speak, don’t you think?

Q: Yeah.

P: And, you know, that, again, the website is www dot testament dot org, right?

Q: That’s right.

P: And we’re speaking with Mark Russell Bell and there’s, you know, some amazing stories. And thank you for gifting us with these books because I think you said they are free. (X)

Q: Yes. (“THEY’RE”) They’re — in fact, the (“THE”) second one, New Testament, is only available on the Internet.

P: Yes. And, wow, thank you so much for joining me today.

Q: Okay. Well thank you — yeah, Pat.

P: I so appreciate it. And for sharing your story.

Q: I’m delighted you had me on.

P: What’s on the horizon real quick? Can you — do you have another project that you’re doing?

Q: Well I’m just um (“[I]”) I’m (or “I’M”) adding to — to the website. (X) I actually do (X) put transcripts of my radio interviews at the ‘Radio Interview Transcripts’ section so I’ll be adding this one to it as well which is sort of fun.

P: I’ll send you the CD.

Q: Oh great, I’d love that.

P: . . . can listen to it.

Q: Um-huh.

P: Great.

Q: Yeah, (X) because I — I missed all the — you know, some of the things.

P: Well thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Q: I did listen to the show at work, by the way —

P: Okay.

Q: — Thanks to the Internet.

P: Yes. We like — we stream over the Internet. We’re getting people from all over because I do a “Voice America” show.

Q: Um-huh.

P: Thank you so much.

Q: Thank you so much, Dr. Pat.

P: Have a great, great day.

Q: You too.

P: We’ll stay in touch.

Q: Okay.

P: Alright. Take care.

Q: Bye-bye.

P: Wow —

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Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So I’m sure that was a difficult interview for Dr. Baccili. It was somewhat difficult for me, knowing that it was being difficult for her and for the audience. And yet it’s essential that I communicate what’s happening to me. (X) I guess I should be clear about my sources in terms of those mentions I made. EileenGarrett, for example. (X) A good book dealing with her is The Airmen Who Would Not Die by John G. Fuller. And I also recommend his wife Elizabeth Fuller’s My Search For The Ghost of Flight 401 that has many parallels to what I’ve been talking about. (X) A book featuring information about Stefan Ossowiecki who described his sources as “the consciousness of the one spirit” and also Frederick Bligh Bond, who’s connected with automatic writing where individual spirits were communicated to, live, yet in what he termed the “universal memory,” his experience focused on Glastonbury Abbey — (X) anyway, those two cases are dealt with briefly in Psychic Archaeology: Time Machine to the Past by Jeffrey Goodman. (X) All these paperbacks, I might add, came to me at a little neighborhood paperback store for (X) just a few coins apiece. And then I think They Knew The Unknown by Martin Ebon has the information about Victor Hugo. And let’s see — what else should I mention? (X) I think there’s even a paragraph in Psychic Archaeology that mentions those words I use such as “universal mind”/(Pierre) Teilhard de Chardin; “collective unconscious”/Jung; Over-Soul/Emerson. Underlying Oneness/Charles Fort. (X) I didn’t mention the more recent Messages From Michael books where the communication involved a Ouija Board. (X) And I didn’t (X) talk much about Edgar Cayce — the best-known case of ‘mediumship’ or ‘trance-channeling.’ What’s great about the Internet is that you’re allowed to learn about these people with just a few clicks of the mouse in this day and age. So, of course, you have the externalized talking in poltergeist cases and then you have the ones where people have been the channels in cases such as the ones that I’ve described. I know Rosemary Brown was mentioned in Colin Wilson’s book The Occult: A History. And I guess I should also mention that the original Edgar Cayce transcripts seldom seem to be communicated or interpreted in any way that does justice to the original process, as I found when I read the transcripts that came my way. Now one of them I loaned to somebody who I felt had an — (X) possibly an important potential involving my case and I never did get it back. Where inaccuracies or unfulfilled prophecies are concerned in these various cases, one does have to keep in mind that such a vast Superconsciousness is not without a sense of humor. And the whole point is to get us to be able to discern what is true. I mean just think about it. Especially like in the Edgar Cayce case. Some — (“YOU HA[TE]”) you can ask this Entity any question in the world and there were those who would ask about cataclysms and earthquakes and — I mean what do you expect to hear?

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Q: One of the anecdotes I was considering sharing with the listening audience on the cult of celebrity since I’ve seen firsthand how status and wealth can turn people into monsters, victimizing them in countless ways, myself included. And I must say that in this day and age you can make a very meager living financially and still live like a king. For example, my twin brother began his publicity career working for Disney and I was able to stay with him for the opening of Epcot Center in Florida. There, one of my experiences was playing Ms. Pacman with a very young Drew Barrymore. The next time I would encounter Drew would be at the premiere party on the Paramount lot for “Welcome Home, Roxy Carmichael.” What a portent that movie has been. At that party, I daw Drew helped away from the lot by friends with her pupils fluttering as she seemed to be ODing on drugs. And now she’s one of the top actresses in the United States. (X) And a vegan I might add. Oh, I mentioned my author photo with the Frito Lay shirt. I’m glad I did mention John Dominic Crossan and Tony Bushby, by the way. I guess I should’ve mentioned Zecharia Sitchin too, even though he deals with a more ancient chronology. (X) But this shirt that came my way — if you notice the logo, it has a little pyramid and a G within the O.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: THE REST OF THIS TAPE SIDE WAS ALSO RECORDED THE SAME AFTERNOON AS THE INTERVIEW. NOT ALL OF MY MOTHER’S COMMENTS ARE CLEAR AS SHE WAS STILL VERY WEAK AFTER HAVING BEEN RELEASED FROM THE HOSPITAL THE PREVIOUS WEEKEND.)

Q: Ouch. Ellen, is that little book in here that I loaned you during your hospital stay, Love Letters From Spirit.

L: No. (“NO”)

Q: Did you have a chance to read it? It’s good for inspiration if you ever feel really down. And I must say you’ve been very nice since coming home. I’m just worried that you don’t feel better.

L: I feel great.

Q: Maybe we should get a second opinion or something. Maybe do you want me to call that other doctor you’re supposed to see —

L: No, don’t bother.

Q: — and make an appointment? Because this week I can take you in.

L: He said my — there was no bleeding in my (colon).

Q: Well yeah but he doesn’t know and (that was) a long time ago. (“LOOK AT”) Well I hope you feel better.

L: I do too. Is it there?

Q: I don’t see it.

L: Look over there.

Q: Oh. (“OKAY”) Well I can get it later. Whoops.

L: Okay.

Q: Okay. (“THAT’S HIGH” X) What’s this? The news? You don’t usually watch this channel. Where’s Carl Bell? Oh I guess he’s on the weekend one.

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Q: I might also mention that one of my beliefs has become that spiders are good luck — seeing a spider. If they aren’t too big, anyway. And I was distracted during my interview because there was a little spider crawling on the wall near where my calendar is located.

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(“THE”)

Q: The listening device’s not working or something. Just have a little bit of space left on this tape side.

L: First look. I need —

Q: I was just looking at it.

L: What did you do (with it)?

Q: It was right here. So I’m finishing the tape side. Do you have any words of wisdom to share with my audience? How do you feel?

L: You know how I feel. Just terrible. Get out.

Q: (small laugh) Some people need the fight to get them through things.

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Q: You know I didn’t hear the producer Benny Mathers very much during my interview. His mouth probably was open. So what other Bennys have I known? Well another one of the clients at the agency was Benny Baker, who was a sweet little old man who I remember booking in “Kidco” and the TV series “He’s The Mayor.” He’s dead now but apparently he’ll always be known as the actor who gave Marilyn Monroe her first screen kiss.

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Q: Well I’m having second thoughts about the crucifixion business. Obviously, God is in a little bit more control than that, I would think and hope. Thank goodness, the antichrist is just a metaphor. I guess being in my position you can see the metaphor occasionally when I say things that people don’t want to hear. But obviously I do think — I think God does the best He can with what He has to work with at the time.