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Q: Mark Russell Bell
V: “The Radio Factor” montage voices
B: Bill O’Reilly, host of “The Radio Factor”
M: Monica Crowley, guest co-host of “The Radio Factor”
C: Charlie Daniels, guest
T: “The Radio Factor” taped announcements
K: KABC taped announcements
L: Sandy Wells, KABC newscaster
S: “The Radio Factor” call screener
1: Jonna, caller from Texas
2: Jan, caller from Georgia
4: Cathy, caller from Virginia
5: Jennifer, caller from Missouri
6: Laurie, caller from Texas
O: commercial spokesman
7: Tony, caller from California
8: Theresa, caller from California
9: Kelly, caller from Kentucky
10: Doug, caller from Colorado
11: George, caller from Delaware
W: Westwood One taped announcements
R: Karen Chase, ABC newscaster
J: Jim Ryan, ABC reporter
I: Jim Paxton (sound byte)
A: Ann Compton, ABC reporter
12: Tony, caller from Oklahoma
13: Mike, caller from Washington
14: Steve, caller from Virginia
15: John, caller from North Carolina
16: Rick, caller from Oregon
17: Pat, caller from Alabama
18: Hy, caller from Florida
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(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I CALLED “THE RADIO FACTOR” ON JUNE 24, 2002. I SUPPLEMENTED THE RECORDING OF MY PHONE CALL WITH A TAPE OF THE TWO-HOUR BROADCAST MADE ON MY RADIO CASSETTE RECORDER. I WAS SURPRISED BY HOW MANY COMMERCIALS THERE WERE AND FOUND THAT THE SHOW’S TOTAL TIME FOR NEW CONTENT DURING EACH HOUR WAS 36 MINUTES.)

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V: Enter the no spin zone. (gives call-in number twice) And now here’s Bill O’Reilly.

B: . . . We have a big story and I want to know how Americans feel about it. It’s on paper not as important as some of the other things in the news today like the continuing violence in the Middle East and all of that but in its emotional content rooted in America I think it’s the (X) story of the day. We’re going to lead with it tonight on “The O’Reilly Factor” on the (X) Fox News Channel. Also, obviously, on “The Radio Factor” today. It’s the Charlie Daniels story. He quit a (X) concert on the 4th of July sponsored by (X) PBS called “A Capital 4th.” And we’re going to tell you in a minute why he did that. And we’re also going to talk to Charlie Daniels. (X) He’s hanging on the phone here. Also with me today is Dr. Monica Crowley (X) everybody. A Fox news (X) analyst, political analyst with a Ph.D. in international relations. Whoa. You know that is very impressive, Monica.

M: . . . Well thank you. It was eight long years at (X) Columbia. So —

B: A — a Ph.D. in international relations.

M: That is right.

B: Wow.

M: Comes in handy these days.

B: I bet it does. No, I — it’s — I have a couple of master’s degrees but once I looked at that Ph.D. thing — “Forget it. I mean there’s just no way.” But, anyway, let’s get back to Charlie Daniels and Monica will chip in later and help us out. (X) Here’s the deal. I haven’t heard this song. We’re going to play — the song has not been released. (X) We are going to play a cut of it here on “The Radio Factor” exclusively. (X) But the two sides come down this way. Daniels wanted to play a song: “What This World Needs” — (“NO”) what’s the name of the song? “The Last Fallen Hero.” Okay. “The Last Fallen Hero.” He wanted to play that song in this concert “A Capital 4th” on PBS on the 4th of July. PBS said it’s (or “IT’S”) not upbeat enough. The song’s not upbeat enough because the — these (or “THESE”) — the words of the song basically deal with 9-11. (X) Alright? So “The Last Fallen Hero,” says PBS, didn’t fit in with the upbeat crowd-pleasing songs that make this concert so popular. Songs like “Orange Blossom Special,” “Talk To Me Fiddle” — (X) one of my favorites. “Talk To Me Fiddle”? Wasn’t that Deep Purple? “Talk To Me Fiddle”? (X) And “Boogie Woogie Country Fiddler Blues” or something like that. Okay, so obviously, look, they’re going for the little barbeque songs and the polkas and all of that stuff (X) and Daniels said, “No, you know, this is a (X) special year. We ought to have ‘The Last Fallen Hero’ on there. It’s the 4th of July. We have to honor these people.” And PBS said, “Take a hike — take a hike, Charlie. You’re out of here, pal. Gone.” And Charlie packed up his fiddle and left. Now (X X) I’m going to talk to Charlie and we’re going to get your point-of-view on this. Whether that was the ap(X)propriate venue and whether PBS or — (X) has a different agenda here. And this is what I’m a little bit suspicious about. As many of you know, I’ve had a lot of problems with NPR radio, alright? The National Public Radio across the country. And “The Radio Factor” competes with NPR and I hope (X) we’re blowing them out of the water. And I’ll tell you why. NPR gets about three to four million dollars a year from the government. Our money. Not a lot. It’s kind of a pittance. But the mentality that NPR brings (“IS”) is far-left to medium Left. And that’s fine. (X) I mean we have enough Right Wing talk radio that NPR gives a little balance and I don’t mind (X) them being Left Wing if that’s what they want to be. That’s (X) fine. But they don’t have to (X) compete in the (X) same marketplace that “The Radio Factor,” that Rush Limbaugh, that Sean Hannity, that all of us have to compete in (X) because they’re basically subsidized. They’re a lot of college radio. You know, it’s all a subsidy (X) deal with them, okay? So they don’t have to get ratings and they don’t really have to compete. They can do what they want to do. Again, I’m not so offended by that. I’m against giving them any money from the government. I think the government should stay out of broadcasting altogether unless its “Radio Free Europe” or some (X) propaganda thing where w(e’re) trying to (X) accomplish a purpose overseas. But within the United States we don’t need the government paying for any PBS or any NPR. So PBS, of course, is government-sponsored. Now (X) the worthiness of PBS is obvious. They have children’s program(s) that’s top-notch. They have “Frontline” that’s top-notch. (X X) They have “Masterpiece Theatre.” They have top-notch programming. They do. There’s no question about it. However, then they bring you Lehrer and Bill Moyers which are basically their two front men in their news capacities: Moyers as an analyst; Lehrer as a reporter. (X) Both of these guys are way Left. That’s not right. (X) That’s not right. If you’re going to have those two guys, then (X) bring in two conservatives or at least two moderates, okay? Because if you’re getting money from the Feds — my money, Monica’s money, your money, I don’t want to just hear one point-of-view. And that’s what NPR does. So I smashed NPR. I basically smashed them. And I (X) — and now they’re going to have congressional hearings because (X) of it — and said, “Look, you’re exclusive, NPR. I couldn’t get on. What (or “WHAT”) — what does it take? I got The O’Reilly Factor book, number one on The New York Times (X) bestseller list twelve weeks; (X) The No Spin Zone book sells more copies than The O’Reilly Factor with both have sold more than a million copies, alright? Two number one New York Times bestsellers. I can’t get on National Public Radio with the exception of my friend Juan (X) Williams who put me on his program and shortly after that got fired. Now (X) I don’t know if there’s any linkage there (small laugh) but Juan isn’t taking my calls anymore, alright? (X) So then The No Spin Zone comes out last October — big book. Biiiiig book, okay? I’m on every — Leno, I’m on “The View,” I’m on “Regis,” I’m on — “The Today Show” we’ve got problems with them, alright? They won’t put me on. “Good Morning America,” everything. NPR: “No. No, we don’t want him.” “Why?” (X) This is my publicist over at (X) Broadway Books. “Why? I mean is he a (X) boring guest? Is he boring?” Y(ou know) (or “YEAH”), “Everybody who puts him on — the numbers go up. They do very well. It’s a good segment. They have some laughs (X) back and forth even if they don’t agree with him. It’s a good segment. Why won’t you put him on?” No answer. No answer. Okay? Now — okay now I’m giving you my (X) personal deal here. (X) So I’m a little teed off. Then Steve Emerson the terrorism expert that w(orks) — who works for NBC comes out with his book right after 9-11. Big tome on terrorism. Very important book — bestseller on The New York Times list. Emerson (X) can’t get on N(X)PR either. Everybody in the world books Emerson. Not NPR. That is absolutely wrong, ladies and gentlemen. They’re using our money — (“TO”) broadcast on public airwaves and they won’t put on people they don’t like. (X) Do they have a pro-Palestinian viewpoint? Of course they do. And (or “AND”) Emerson doesn’t. Therefore Emerson flies out the window. O’Reilly — they don’t like (X) anything about me. O’Reilly flies out the window. Alright? This is an outrage (X) and Congress should not stand for it. This is censorship of the worst degree. (X) “All Things Considered” except Emerson, O’Reilly, ‘anybody else we don’t like.’ And then they say, “Oh well we had Pat Buchanan on.” That’s because the pinheads in Washington who work for NPR are on the same kind of cocktail circuit (X) that Pat’s on. They’re pals. (X) So that’s why he gets on. (X X) Alright? So you throw that bogus argument up. (X) Now PBS — (X) same kind of little game going on at PBS. (X) Same kind of little game. If you have (“A”) point-of-view that (X) PBS — the establishment over there doesn’t like, you ain’t going to see you on PBS. I had to smash Charlie Rose. You remember this, don’t you Monica?

M: Yeah, I do.

B: I had to smash Charlie Rose to get him to put me on that program. I mean I had to humiliate him, I had to bait him, I had to do everything. And then I go on there and Charlie gets the highest ratings he had in a year.

M: Right. Well I had my own experience with Charlie Rose. I worked for President Nixon (X) during the last four years of his life. I wrote two books about my experiences with him, both of them largely sympathetic views on Richard Nixon; highly controversial, therefore. (X) Charlie Rose had me booked to promote my — either my first or second book (X) and then withdrew the invitation to appear on the show. No explanation.

B: Yeah. (X) So we know that PBS has an agenda and NPR has an agenda. So Charlie Daniels shows up with a song that, you know, is — (X) it’s not a ‘touchy, feely’ but it’s a tribute (X) to the 9-11s and it’s a warning about terrorism. Charlie Daniels is thrown off the telephone — okay, thrown off the concert. Alright, we’re going to take a break. We’re going to come back with Mr. Daniels. We’re going to (X) talk to him and then by that time I want you to make up your mind on whether PBS is right in doing this; whether they’re wrong in doing this; and what you thing about it. (gives number twice)/radiofactor@foxnews.com. O’Reilly, Westwood One, (X) right back.

T: Bill O’Reilly on Westwood One. (commercials followed by bumper music)

B: Alright, Charlie Daniels: “The Devil Came Down From Georgia.” Great song. I want to give you a little listen of the song that Mr. Daniels wanted to play on “A Capital 4th” on PBS. A song that they would not let him play and let’s roll that right now.

Oh the cowards came by morning

And attacked without a warning

Leaving death and flames and chaos in our streets

And in the middle of this (X) fiery hell

Brave heroes fell

(X) And in the skies of Pennsylvania

On a plane bound for destruction

With the devil and his angels at the wheel (X)

They never reached their target on the ground

Brave heroes brought it down

This is a righteous . . . (X)

B: Alright. There’s a little bit of the song. It sounded good to me. (X)

M: Yeah.

B: Let’s bring in Charlie Daniels. He’s calling from Nashville. Mr. Daniels, how are you doing?

C: Hey Bill . . . (X)

B: Good to have you on “The Radio Factor” and are you teed off or what?

C: Well I’m just kind of disgusted, to be honest with you about it, Bill. I’m kind of sick of all this touchy, feely sort of ‘I’m okay, you’re okay, let’s celebrate the 4th of July and forget the past’ sort of thing. I just — (X) I can’t imagine having a 4th of July program without at least mentioning the victims of 9-11. (X)

B: Now when were they going to tape this? Did they already tape this “Capital 4th” program on PBS? They tape it?

C: No, it was to be live.

B: It’s going to be a live show?

C: On the 4th of July. Yeah . . .

B: Now did you, yourself, talk to anybody at PBS? Tell me about that if you did.

C: Well I — we had (X) been asked obviously a long time ago to do the show and I had always intended to do this song. And a few days ago we got a call that a producer—I think his name’s Jerry Colbert—had just flat said, “You cannot do this song on this show.” And I was shocked. I thought it was a perfect 4th of July song. And they say that they want to do — they’ve been doing this show for twenty years and they don’t know what people would think to, you know, hear a song like this. And that — but the thing about is this is a different (X) kind of 4th of July.

B: That’s right.

C: This is not your run of the mill 4th of July. And I just feel like we — everyday we (X) should be reminded of what happened on 9-11. (X)

B: Alright so you put forth that (X) point of view and what was their response?

C: Well just obstinate — just you know — just, “Hey, you can’t do it. That’s it.” Flat, plain out, “You ain’t doing that song on this show.” And I said, “Fine, then we just won’t do the show.” So, you know, we — so we’re going to Atlanta, Georgia on the 4th of July instead of Washington.

B: Alright now, was their point of view that (X) it was too downbeat?

C: I really don’t understand what their point of view was, Bill, to be honest with you about it. I never could quite get a fix on it that — something about it being too sad or being angry, I think was the word (X) they used.

B: Angry?

C: Yeah and I don’t think it — you know to me, and I had a song that was angry called “This Ain’t No Rag; It’s The Flag.” But this one, to me, is much more of a introspective tribute to the victims and, you know, to just saying, “Hey, we need to stay awake, (“NO”) aware in this country because this thing (“WE”) ain’t over with by a long shot.” (X)

B: Alright. Now I’m going to read you this statement from Sue Lin Chong.

C: Okay. (X)

B: We just talked to her. She’s from (X) PBS, alright? (X) She says, “Charlie Daniels and the producers of the program have been in discussions about (X) the songs he would be singing for the program, including songs like “Orange Blossom Special,” “Talk To Me Fiddle” and “Boogie Woogie Country Fiddler Blues,” which are upbeat, fun songs.” Those are your songs, by the way?

C: Yes. They are.

B: Okay. “Then Charlie made the suggestion of saying his new song ‘The Last Fallen Hero,’ which just didn’t seem to fit (X) in with the upbeat crowd-pleasing songs that make this concert so popular. This concert is America’s birthday party and the show producers want to keep the tone very celebratory. This is the 21st concert being performed and the song just didn’t fit in with the line-up. Producers regret it (X) didn’t work out. They love Charlie but the song he suggested just didn’t fit in with the nature of the concert.” So basically they’re saying that it would be too jarring. Do you buy that?

C: No. I don’t buy it at all. I think instead of being celebratory, its celibate.

B: (small laugh)

C: I think they’re trying to get — you know, this ‘touchy feely,’ ‘I’m okay, you’re okay,’ you know — I mean I just can’t buy it, Bill. It’s just — (X) especially this 4th of July. How can you have a 4th of July celebration and not — you’ll be just a (X) few miles from the Pentagon and, you know, how can you have a 4th of July celebration and (X) not remember what happened on 9-11? (X) If we . . .

B: All you would have to do would be for you — and you’re good at this. I mean how many years have you been doing this? Forty years?

C: Uh-huh.

B: Yeah, I mean you’d — you play your set and then you say, “No (or “NO”), before we go, I just want to change the mood a little bit and I want to play a new song that hasn’t been released (X) yet or is just out — whenever that is. On July 4th. (X) And it’s a — my tribute to what happened last September 11th. And this is a day of celebration but I think we all just want to remember. And I hope you like the song.” And just play it.

C: Oh I could’ve (X) set it up real good. I mean as far as that goes. But the — actually the director of the show who had nothing to do with this decision is an old friend of mine, a guy named Walter Miller, and I would never do anything to get Walter in hot water so — but, (X) you know, I just can’t understand their reasoning. And, (X) you know, I just think that — I don’t know what it is with PBS. It seems like they don’t have any trouble leaning over in the other direction . . .

B: We said that in the monologue but you know what it is? I’ll tell you what it is, Charlie, and maybe you can (X) respond to this. There’s a certain segment of America that basically has compartmentalized the war on terror. (X) They know it exists. They — most of them support it. I mean very few — a couple of Phil Donahue types but not too many. (X) But they don’t want to think about it. They don’t want to integrate it in their daily life. (X) And you see it all the time. You see it with “the rights of the battlefield combatants.” You see it with the “racial (X) profiling.” It (“YEAH”) — “don’t let it intrude on our lives. (X) Yes, we have to fight the war on terror but it can’t change anything in America.” (X) So that’s what the mind-set is here. “We’ve always had a fun concert. It’s always been (X) ‘Boogie Woogie Fiddler’s. And we can’t change it. Even though we know there’s a war on terror. Even though we know that Charlie’s song is certainly in context to America, the 4th of July, 2002. We can’t change it because that’s our mind-set.” That’s what it is, Charlie.

C: Well 9-11 has changed all of our lives forever.

B: But it didn’t change their life, see?

C: But, you know, it — I think they’re going to have a rude awakening. I think these people live in a fantasy world, Bill, to be honest (X) with you about it. And, you know, I just can’t — I’m not on a star trip and I’m too doggone old to be (“NO”) egotistical or petulant. And I’m not being that way at all but I feel very strongly about this. We lost a lot of good people on 9-11 and the first — the very first birthday of the United States celebrating the coming of age of the United States of America, we cannot do one song out of several hours — we cannot do one song that commemorates the people who lost their life.

B: No, that’s not right. (X)

C: No.

B: Alright, Charlie. We’ll see you on “The O’Reilly Factor” (X) TV program tonight?

C: I’ll be looking forward to being on ‘the (X) no spin zone,’ buddy real bad.

B: Alright, Charlie. And we’ll continue our conversation we appreciate very much. (gives call-in number) Want to know — you’ve heard this — both sides now. (X) We would’ve had PBS but they want to give a statement. That’s fine. (X) And you heard my monologue. You heard Charlie Daniels. Alright? So now we want to hear from you. (X) Is this a good decision by PBS? They want to keep it in context: celebratory, no downer. Is Charlie right in the sense that (X) July 4th, 2002 different — that this could’ve been fit in. Obviously, I’m agreeing with Charlie. You’re agreeing with Charlie —

M: Yeah.

B: Right Monica?

M: Oh of course.

B: Yeah, okay. So it — (“WOR”) but we want to hear dissenting viewpoints. (X) I mean if you think that PBS and NPR—I mean we want to expand the discussion—are worthy, that I’m crazy, that they’re not exclusionary, (X) that they’re not Left Wing, and that they’re not doing stuff they shouldn’t be doing (X) on the taxpayers’ nickel, we want to hear from you. (gives number) And if you want to Email us and let us have it: radiofactor@fox(X)news.com (repeats). Bill O’Reilly, “Radio Factor,” Westwood One. Be right back.

K: 790 KABC Los Angeles.

B: (taped) I’m Bill O’Reilly. (X) Let’s take a look at the headlines. Here’s the KABC news (X) with Sandy Wells.

L: And President Bush in Newark, New Jersey where he’s pushing his proposal for a Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security. Meanwhile, Time magazine reports that the (X) President wants to be sure Osama bin Laden (X) is dead by the first anniversary of the September 11th (X) terrorist attacks. Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger received an honorary (X) doctor of humane letters yesterday from Chapman University in Orange. (X) The honor was in recognition of Arnold’s work on behalf of such causes as the Special Olympics and the Inner City Games Foundation. This is Schwarzenegger’s third honorary degree. And currently 68 degrees at the L.A. Civic Center heading for a high of 77 today. From the KABC News Center, I’m Sandy Wells.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: DURING THE NEWS, TRAFFIC—AND EVEN THE TRAFFIC REPORT INCLUDES A COMMERCIAL—AND COMMERCIALS ON KABC, I DIALED THE CALL-IN NUMBER.)

S: O’Reilly show. What’s your first name?

Q: Mark.

S: Mark, where are you calling from?

Q: From Los Angeles.

S: What did you want to tell him?

Q: I wanted just to tell him that we seem to have forgotten the concept of social justice and freedom of speech.

S: What do you mean?

Q: Well it’s just in these large corporations people think that they’re doing something on behalf of the group so they don’t think that they have any role in the decision-making process. They don’t take responsibility.

S: Right. Well just break this down for me, Mark. Give me the bottom line on how that effects Charlie Daniels here.

Q: Well it’s just that people don’t make decisions based upon whether something is right or wrong but how they can make money or how they can use something (“TO”) to their own agenda.

S: So what do you think? PBS doesn’t think — it’s not part of the PBS agenda — the song?

Q: W(ell t)hat (or “WHAT”) — well that’s obvious.

S: Alright.

Q: In this particular occasion.

S: When you get on, get right to it. No small talk, okay?

Q: Oh yeah.

S: And keep your radio off.

Q: Okay. (silence on the phone line for around two minutes before a Charlie Daniels song serves as bumper music)

What this world needs is a few more rednecks . . .

B: Alright. Charlie Daniels. A big controversy with PBS we’re talking about. Well go to Jonna in Corpus Christi, Texas. What say you, Jonna?

1: I say that Charlie Daniels ought to quit whining. That song is terrible. It sounds so contrived and so forced. And it (X) really is a downer. (X) If the directors of the program don’t want (X) it, tell him to just move on, sing it somewhere else but let the show go on.

B: Yeah but if it’s — why is it a downer to you?

1: I don’t need — I’m a professional musician. I write in that area of music, folk and country, and I know what a good song is. That is not a good song. It’s horrible.

B: Yeah but I mean you’re telling me every song on this concert on PBS is going to be a good song? Jonna . . . a lot of garbage on there . . .

1: No, what they said is they want upbeat songs. (X) I mean that song is just (X) — it just doesn’t have (X) any kind of a (“NO”) what did Dick Clark used to say? It’s got no beat and you can’t dance (X) to it.

B: Alright, well look, the merits of the song aside, and — (X) and I’m going to stick by this. There are going to be a lot of crummy songs on that show, Jonna. They’re basically saying (X) that (X) even though we — we’re at war and even though 9-11 is obviously still there, ‘you shouldn’t mention it on a 4th of July concert.’ Do you agree with that?

1: I’ve got a song about 9-11. I wish they would hear my song. They might play it. If somebody else has got a different one, (X) maybe they would let that one go, but this one is just not a good song.

B: Jonna, I don’t think they’re going on a song basis here. I think they’re going on a philosophical basis. Let’s go to Jan in Savannah, (X) Georgia. What say you, Jan?

2: I think that public (X) television is public television, not personal television. And that Charlie Daniels is an American institution. He’s always sung very patriotic songs and I think that this song should be there. (X)

B: Well (X) did you — you just heard the clip we played, right?

2: Oh yeah.

B: Alright. Would you think it was a good song? Jonna hated it.

2: Well, you know, that’s an opinion. That’s just an opinion. It may not be his best, number one song on the hit parade but it’s a — (X) tells it like it is and hopefully this one year that we’ve had such tragedy (X) will never happen (X) again. The American people have a tendency to forget (X) so easily things that happen. And every now and then —

B: That’s right.

2: Every now and then, (X) you just need a little jolt to, you know, to remember and (X) hopefully (X) it will never, ever happen again.

B: Alright. We appreciate the call. Mark in Los Angeles says Daniels’ song is not part of the PBS agenda, which is what, Mark?

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Q: Well what I was trying to say was basically that people fool themselves (X) into not taking responsibility for their own decisions and actions when they’re working on behalf of a group such as a corporation or the government or something like that. So instead of thinking in terms of social justice or freedom of the speech, they’re more preoccupied with the self-gratification of our culture in terms of how we can make (X) money; what’s most in our commercial interest?

B: Yeah but PBS doesn’t have to make money, Mark. I mean they’re not in that game. Monica, do you see this as an ideological deal?

M: Oh totally.

B: Do you really?

M: Well, (X) first of all, I don’t understand why PBS would even ex(X)tend the invitation to Charlie Daniels. They knew he’s a patriotic (X) guy. They know he writes patriotic (X) songs. If they had a problem with them, they shouldn’t even have invited him to this.

B: I think he’s played there before though. I mean —

M: And not only that. They said that (X) — that the tone of the song was (X) particularly offensive. They had a problem with the lyrics. (X) Not with the tone or the beat of the song (X) or the tempo of the song. It’s all about the lyrics. (X) They did not — as far as I know and correct me if I’m wrong — but they did not suggest to him that he could play an alternate song. (X) They just said, “Take it out of the line-up or you’re out of here.”

B: “We want upbeat songs.” But is — I mean if you’re the producer and you’re saying, “Ah I just want in a little frothy thing. I don’t want to have anybody think. I don’t want any downers.”

M: But, you know what, this is the worst kinds of censorship because it comes from the Public Broadcasting System. (X) As a Republican, I can tell you I am particularly offended.

B: Are you a Republican, Monica? I’m shocked.

M: It’s a big surprise I know.

B: I’m shocked.

M: I know. (X) Breaking news here on “The Radio Factor.”

B: (small laugh) (X)

M: I am so offended that my hard-earned tax dollars go to subsidizing National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting Service that goes out there and spews liberal propaganda twenty-four seven.

B: Ri(ght). (or “WHY” X) Alright, let’s see if them — if anybody else thinks this is ideological or not. Cathy in Charlottesville, Virginia, home of Thomas Jefferson, says there was another incident at ABC. Cathy, go.

4: How are you doing?

B: Okay.

4: I disagree with PBS’s de(X)cision. It should be a celebration, which it is, but it should also be a reminder of what we’ve gone through to keep our independence; what we keep going through. And Peter Jennings decided not to play a song by Toby Keith for the same reason. (X) He was using angry lyrics or whatever as how it was viewed.

B: That’s not true, though. (X) I checked that out because we were going to do that story for “The O’Reilly Factor,” Cathy. (X) So I went to talk to Jennings and our people talked to him and that had nothing to do with it. Jennings doesn’t get involved in songs (“AN I”) and those kind of stuff. He doesn’t — unless you were to attack Canada. If you did, he’d probably hit . . .

M: Well why —

B: But I want to debunk that thing. Jennings is not anti-American. He didn’t have anything to do with it. (X) Just to be fair.

M: But why are these media outlets inviting these Country music stars to sing? If they want frothy and not patriotic, invite Britney Spears to come on and sing one of her show tunes or whatever she does.

B: That’s true. Maybe they don’t like (X) halter tops. Who knows? Let’s go to Jennifer in Mexico, Missouri: “that PBS lures in bucks with children’s programming.” And they sure do, Jennifer. Tell us how.

5: Well they sit us down, they have our little kids watching “Sesame Street” . . . in the afternoon and they say, “Go get Mom.” You know — “We need money or we’re going to cancel your kids program.”

B: Yeah and then they say you have to buy the Barney doll for one hundred bucks, right?

5: Yeah. (small laugh)

B: And then the kid goes, “I want the Barney doll! I want the Barney doll! Or I’m going to set myself on fire.”

M: How was that, Bill?

B: So you’ve got to send a hundred bucks. (X) Yeah, look, I mean PBS is — they’re making money over there. Those executives aren’t poor. They’re being paid. And it’s not that much money taxpayers getting (them) but they’ve got to wise up over there. Both NPR and PBS have got to wise up. (“ALRIGHT”) America’s starting to get teed off. Let’s go to Laurie in Richmond, Texas (who) says, “They shouldn’t get any money.” Laurie, go.

6: Hi. I think that we should withdraw all funds from NPR and PBS and the National Endowment for the Arts because it really doesn’t represent what mainstream America thinks or feels. And in the old days when you (X) were an artist you found a patron. You didn’t go sucking off of you-know-what.

B: Oh well isn’t it though — isn’t it a good argument to be made for — because it isn’t — and I agree with you, Laurie. It’s not mainstream stuff that these people are putting out. But there should be that stuff available and if it wasn’t supplemented there would — or would —

6: Well you know you’re — you’re absolutely right and a lot of these people — I’m an artist. They do not deserve to be called an artist because their work does not stand on its own. And they have —

B: You know, that’s an interesting point. That I think that a lot of these people get exposure on PBS and NPR and in the National Endowments for the Arts, if they play the game. They kiss up.

M: But I am — (X) I am totally opposed to any government subsidy going to artists. And I know it’s a noble endeavor but if you take a look at the Constitution, it only says that the federal government is responsible —

B: Oh, I know . . .

M: — for internal law and order and external defense.

B: We’re going to talk about Amtrak.

M: That’s army and police force.

B: You want boondoggle (X) because we’re going to talk about Amtrak.

M: Ohhh, don’t get me started on Amtrak.

B: I’m going to have to get you started because —

M: Alright . . .

B: — we’re going to talk about it. Alright, take a break. We’re going to hear more Charlie Daniels. Did Charlie get hosed by (or “BY”) PBS? Yes or no? Right now it’s running about three to one on Charlie’s side. So if you’re against Charlie; if you think PBS is doing the right thing, (gives number). Back with more of your phone calls on “The Radio Factor.” (commercials are followed by bumper music and yet another commercial/unattributed sounds continue during commercials)

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B: That’s what they do over there. (“NO”) And the government gives them money so they don’t have to go to work or anything. Alright, we’re talking about Charlie Daniels getting booted off the PBS 4th of July show and PBS says that his song about 9-11, “The Last Fallen Hero,” is too downbeat. They want fiddling songs and boogie woogie songs. Let’s go to Tony in Santa Monica (X) who says he wants a — he has a question for Charlie Daniels. (X) Tony, go.

7: . . . Hello?

B: Yeah. Go ahead.

7: Yeah, the — I’ll throw the gauntlet down to Mr. (X) Daniels. (X) Something about the music business. (X) Mr. Daniels is being paid a royalty every time a radio station plays that song and he’s going to get a lot of (p)lay (X) just from this story.

B: Yeah. (“I[T]”)

7: Pushing his new release.

B: Right.

7: So why doesn’t he agree to donate all of his ASCAP or BMI money to NPR maybe or some other charity?

B: (small laugh) Yeah, NPR.

7: And then they’ll let him (“R”) do the song.

B: Well how about the Veteran’s Administration? I’m going to put that question to him, (“TONIG”) Tony. That’s a good question. He’s going to be on “The O’Reilly Factor” tonight 8 Pacific time, 8 Eastern time. (X) I’m going to put that question to him. I — that (X) — that’s a good question from Tony . . .

M: It’s a perfectly legitimate question.

B: I’m going to say, “Look, no —”

M: Yeah.

B: “Yeah, this is a song, you’re going to release a single, going to get a lot of air (X) play, getting a lot of publicity. Any of that money going to go to help other people?”

M: Right.

B: I say don’t give it to the families because they don’t get the money any more. You know, that’s the biggest scandal in the world.

M: Well obviously the money should not be going to any of these charities.

B: Yeah.

M: Right.

B: Forget that. I mean we were right. We were right from day one on that, Monica. (“N I”) You know me, (“I M”) I hate to blow my own horn. I hate to do that.

M: Well, you know, it’s so out of character for you, Bill.

B: It is.

M: Yeah.

B: We were right. Okay? Does everybody get that? (X) And George Clooney and those suckers were wrong. Those people. And they’re still hoarding the money.

M: Well that’s the Hollywood Left.

B: They’re still hoarding the money.

M: It’s the Hollywood Left. These are the people (X) who listen to NPR.

B: I don’t think Clooney’s a Left Wing guy.

M: And watch PBS.

B: I don’t. I don’t think he’s a Left Wing guy.

M: Bill, they are all Left Wing out there.

B: I just think he does — if he thought —

M: A few exceptions.

B: — about something for more than a minute, he’d get a migraine. Alright? Let’s go to Theresa in Fullerton, California, says that Daniels is just trying to get publicity.

Theresa, go. (X)

8: Yeah, thank you. I just think that he’s just there for his own exposure (X) for — to kind of to (“LIKE”) expose his new CD out. I think we — I think he’s not there for the people for 9-11, what had happened. I think we’ve mourned enough. (X) And I think he’s just there for his own benefit.

B: Now you think we’ve mourned enough?

8: Yes.

B: What does that mean? You’re going to forget about it?

8: Well I think we have been grieving (“FOR”) for such (X) a long time. I don’t know if you have but I have. And I feel sorry for the family and the people that have lost their lives there. But I think these artists that come out of the woodwork — especially (X) someone that’s an old-timer like him, I think he’s trying to do this for his own benefit, to promo his CD. (X)

B: Yeah but you don’t know for sure because you don’t know him.

8: No, that’s just my speculation. (X) But I just think that’s the reason why he’s trying to pressurize (them) to go ahead and — and (X) go ahead and have them — (“LL”) let him sing that song. (X) But it’r not for the benefit of the people. I think we (X) have to look at — we have to be in good spirits. We have to pray for the family who have lost people. And I think that we should (“HERE”) carry on. We should lick our wounds and go forward.

B: Alright, Theresa. Monica has a comment on it.

M: Well I think that’s a really cynical reading of Charlie Daniels. I mean he has a long-standing reputation for being a very patriotic guy. He’s written a lot of patriotic songs in the (X) past. (X) And I, based on this interview you just did with him, he sounds very sincere about this.

B: . . . Nobody can read anybody’s mind. Kelly in Richmond, Kentucky says his song’s too negative and angry. Kelly, go.

9: Yeah. I just — I really feel like I — first of all, I don’t think the song in and of itself was a very good song. I think the wording just was not very good and — (X) it’s not that I’m opposed to playing a 9-11 song. I think a song like Alan Jackson’s “Where Were You” or I don’t know the title of it but that song (X) would be much more appropriate . . .

B: Yeah but why don’t we — I — and look Kelly, we respect your opinion. I mean music is subjective but why not let the audience decide? Why not let Americans decide? (X) (You) know? (or “NO”) What’s wrong with putting him on a concert, have ’em set it up, and let everybody take a listen and then decide for themselves?

9: Well isn’t that — that’s their choice. I’m just saying that I just think — (X) and I like Charlie Daniels’ music but I just feel like that song — (“FROM”) no, the excerpt (X) that you played, I just — I didn’t even think it was any good at all. I really didn’t. And I feel like a 4th of July celebration, you know, they ought to kind of count on what kind of music’s going to be played and (X) I just — I didn’t think it had much substance. It was kind of —

B: Alright, here’s what we’re going to do. Let’s play a minute of words to this song. Then we’ll segue right into break from that. (“ALRI”) And then we’ll come back and take some more phone calls. (gives number twice) Should Charlie Daniels be allowed to play this song on PBS 4th of July? They booted him off the concert. Let’s hear the song and we’ll be back.

Oh the cowards came by morning

And attacked without a warning

Leaving death and flames and chaos in our streets

And in the middle of this fiery hell

Brave (X) heroes fell

(X) And in the skies of Pennsylvania

On a plane bound for destruction

With the devil and his angels at the wheel (X)

They never reached their target on the ground

Brave heroes (X) brought it down

This is a right(X)eous cause

So without doubt or pause

I will do what my coun(X)try asks of me

Making a sacrifice

We’ll pay whatever price

So the children of tomorrow can be free

Lead on red white and blue

And we will follow you

Until we win the final victory

God help us do our best

We will not slack nor rest

Til the last fallen hero rests in peace . . .

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B: I would’ve smacked Clint if he talked to me like that. It was a great movie though. (X) Let’s go to Doug in Canyon City, Colorado who says that people are forgetting this is a real war. Before we get to that, Doug, any fires near your house?

10: No, they’re about fifty miles to the north of us.

B: You can see the smoke and everything, though, huh?

10: Occasion(ally) — we saw the Iron Mountain fire about three weeks ago.

B: Yeah. So you think that people are forgetting the war on terror, huh?

10: Partially. I mean the media. You know, during World War II we had songs like “Praise The Lord and Pass the Ammunition.” And no, (“NO”) Charlie’s coming up with a patriotic song (X) and (“NO”) people should be mad about this war. You know, 2,000-3,000 people got killed. (X) We have soldiers fighting and, no, everyone wants a happy, (X) huggy red, white and blue thing but, you know, war’s a dirty business.

B: You bet. I think that’s a good point, Doug. (“NO”) People are going to be celebrating the (X) 4th of July but we should still be angry about this. I am. George in Dover, Delaware says the song stinks. George, lay it on the line for us, huh?

11: Hey Bill, look, I’m angry and I’m a (X) patriot too and I love Charlie Daniels. And if he had a song that was like stomping and let’s kick bin Laden’s butt, I’ll bet you (X) they would’ve gone with it. (“BUT”) This is a bunch of jumbled words together. We can’t really argue — (X) argue the (“THE POL”) politics of it if the music’s not there. That’s not fair.

B: Alright. So you see the song — but I disagree with you on one thing. I don’t think (X) any kind of a song dealing with 9-11 and the war on terror, Monica, would’ve been allowed by PBS.

M: Right. I agree with you. Now is —

B: You know, I think there are a lot of peaceniks over there. There are a lot of wind chime collectors. (X)

M: Hot tubbers. (small laugh)

B: Yeah who — well hey, hey, don’t get too personal. I’m a hot tubber.

M: Oh you are? Okay . . .

B: I don’t have a hot tub but if I did I’d be submerged up on to my ears.

M: It’s all ideological with PBS.

B: Which would cover my mouth and everybody’d be real excited about that. (gives number and Email address) Got a couple of interesting Emails (X) I’m going to read and we want to, (X) of course, talk with you. And I just do believe that the crux of this matter comes down to (“A”) what they call a sensibility over at PBS and NPR. Their sensibility is that ‘We don’t really want to be offended or disturbed or annoyed or (X) confronted’—that’s the best word—’with unpleasantness on the 4th of July. We just want to have a few banjos and fiddles and a good old time 1927 4th of July.’ But come on. Come on. I mean we have terrorism warnings for the 4th of July. We got — if these — if, you know, Ahab and his friends over there in Oman could blow up a 4th of July (“CER[EMONY]”) celebration, they’d do it. So (X) — whether the Daniels song is good or not doesn’t concern me. It’s the spirit of the day. O’Reilly, “Radio Factor,” Westwood One.

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R: From ABC News, I’m Karen Chase. Witnesses say there were bodies and blood everywhere after a bus carrying kids to a church camp slammed into a highway support pillar in Terrell, Texas. At least five people were killed, including four children and the bus driver. ABC’s Jim Ryan is live at Methodist Hospital in Dallas with the latest.

J: Karen, family members of the teenaged members of that suburban Dallas church are frantically calling hospitals across the region looking for information about their kids. The church bus was not far out of Dallas when it crashed into an overpass support near the town of Terrell. Bus was headed out to Louisiana. Not far from the scene, six members of one family were killed in a crash earlier this month. A deadly stretch of Interstate 20. Karen?

R: ABC’s Jim Ryan (X) live in Dallas. Two huge wildfires merged in eastern Arizona (X) into what one official calls the biggest and meanest fire he’s ever seen, covering more than 300,000 acres.

I: You know, we’re still zero percent contained and until we’re about 85% contained, then we’ll be cautiously optimistic.

R: Fire information officer Jim Paxton says it looks like firefighters are making progress and may be able to save some homes in the evacuated town of Sholo. The blaze has already destroyed at least 186 homes. (X) As Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon prepares for battle, President Bush is (X X) preparing to (X) unveil his Middle East peace proposal. ABC’s (X) Ann Compton is live at the White House with that story. (X)

A: Tensions remain hair-trigger, Karen, as Israel attacks suspected HAMAS figures but President Bush appears ready to present this afternoon a dramatic (X) vision of statehood for the Palestinians. Critics have already begun to complain the innovation of an interim state (X) won’t work. Others fault the administration (X) for not moving more aggressively on a cease-fire. Karen?

R: ABC’s Ann Compton live at the White House. The convicted felon being questioned in the kidnaping of Elizabeth Smart has a long criminal history. Salt Lake City police (X) say he’s been convicted of attempted murder and aggravated robbery and they can’t pin down where he was the day of the kidnaping. You’re listening to ABC News. (commercials)

V: Hide the children. Bolt the doors. Watch out for breaking glass. “The Radio Factor” with Bill O’Reilly is about to begin.

V: What do you think of Bill O’Reilly?

V: He’s a little pussy.

V: I.

V: I think he’s a poseur.

V: He’s a real jerk.

V: Oh he’s a great guy.

V: I think he’s a sharp cat. Yeah, he’s a (sounds like SIC:) surrobate.

V: I’m a little man. I’m a little man. He’s a great man.

V: He’s tough. He’s mean.

V: Oh I don’t know if he’s mean but tough.

V: Yeah but he has his charismatic side.

V: Why? Some people think he sucks?

V: He’s a poet-warrior in the classic sense.

V: He’s opinionated.

V: Very opinionated.

V: Not so much opinionated.

V: I’m not interested in his opinion at all.

V: He tends to annoy me very quickly.

V: What’s the matter with you?

V: Oh he’s an animal. Cuts through the bull(BEEP) — oops.

V: Sir, do you want to comment on Bill O’Reilly?

V: No. You wouldn’t appreciate my comments on him.

V: A committee should be formed to boycott him.

V: At least he attacks every one equally.

V: I’m an old Leftist and I love O’Reilly.

V: Hey I think he’s tough. Yeah. I think he’s a hottie too.

V: A hottie too. Yeah, he’s a hottie honey.

V: Don’t believe everything you hear on the radio.

V: Enter the no spin zone. (gives call-in number twice) And now here’s Bill O’Reilly.

B: Not a good day for Martha Stewart. Martha, what are we going to do with you? The big house? Every caller (X) this hour, I want to know whether you’d put Martha Stewart in jail or not. (X) Okay, this is going to be like a kind of “Radio Factor” informal poll (X) question. That’s not going to be the theme of the hour, by the way. I’m going to get to the important stuff in a minute. (X X) But Martha Stewart — this is great. (X) First she says she didn’t have any insider trading info when she (X) dumped her shares about what? 3,000, 4,000 shares of ImClone a (X) day before it collapsed last December. On December 27th. “Oh I didn’t know anything.” If it — she said that she told her broker to dump it if it got below 60. I think the stock’s selling like for a dollar now or something. (X) It’s ridiculous. And the CEO, Martha’s pal, has been indicted for insider training. So, anyway, Martha dumps the stock on the 27th of December, a (X) day before it tanks. “Oh I didn’t know. I didn’t know.” Anyway, the broker, Peter Bacanovic, has been suspended by Merrill Lynch and the feds are all over this guy, saying, “Hey, let me see the order that, you know, if you want to sell a stock you put a stop order in.” That’s how you — it’s done. “Let me see the order that Martha gave you.” Doesn’t exist. And Bacanovic — she — he’s going to roll on Martha. You know he’s going to roll. (X) And now we find out today that not only did Martha (X) call this guy, Peter Bacanovic (“UP”), she called him on a refueling stop in her private jet fr(om) — she was going from New York to Cabo San Lucas. She landed in Houston. She pops off the jet to call this guy, Bacanovic, (X) alright, to dump the stock. (X) And the next day, their — her partner on the jet — she had some friend of hers going down to Cabo. She sells her stock. (X) But that’s just a coincidence. (small laugh)

M: Sure it is.

B: Ohhh!

M: Sure.

B: That’s Monica Crowley, the Greek chorus back there. So (X) here’s the deal. I mean they got (X) Martha and her stock is down today bigtime. Another 18%. (X) So (X) this greedy Martha Stewart — and she’s greedy. There’s no question about it. This woman’s — and I said that in The O’Reilly Factor book three years ago.

M: Right.

B: Greedy (X) greedy greedy. Alright? This is chump change to her. These 3-4,000 shares of ImClone. That’s nothing. She’s worth —

M: So my question is how much money do you possibly need?

B: Doesn’t matter.

M: When her company went public, (X) she was instantly worth $1 billion.

B: That’s right. It’s a disease.

M: So how many shares —

B: Money is a disease, Monica.

M: — 4,000 shares of ImClone.

B: Monica, I’m going to have to scold you. You’re thinking logically. That’s (or “THAT’S”) — never think logically when money . . .

M: So I guess the more you have, then the more obsessed you get with it.

B: The two topics — (“SOME”)

M: Is that right?

B: Some people. Some people. (X) Two topics that very few people are able to think logically about? Money and sex. (X) Money and sex.

M: Yeah well that makes sense. Right.

B: You cannot think logically about money and sex.

M: Well and in this case though, you actually have both because this CEO of ImClone, Sam Waksal, (X) dated both Martha Stewart and her daughter.

B: Ooooh.

M: Which is why she (X) had the inside information (X X) to begin with.

B: Exactly. Now you know this for a fact? I mean you know this for a fact? (laughs)

M: The relationship with her daughter, Alexis, is a fact. In fact, Sam Waksal and Alexis dated for many years.

B: Ahhh man. I mean it’s not a good thing, ladies and gentlemen, that Martha Stewart may be going to the federal penitentiary. It is not a good thing. (X) Alright? There will not be shopping for antiques behind bars.

M: Do you think she’s going to design, like, you know, prison garb?

B: Well that’s the old joke.

M: You know, little towels for the (X) prison?

B: Here’s the question. (X) Should Martha Stewart go to jail? Even if she’s charged and convicted, she’ll get probation but, (X) you know, somebody else might go. Somebody else might go up because she’s powerful and . . . but, anyway, look.

M: Well is this Merrill Lynch broker then going to take the fall for her? (X)

B: No.

M: Because she’s so powerful. He’s going to go to jail but she won’t?

B: Now this sleezoid Bacanovic, (“HE’S GONNA”) he’s going to flip on her like crazy. Probably already has. Now here’s the deal. When people get fabulously wealthy, it doesn’t come down to the money as far as ‘how much money I have.’ They’re not checking their bank accounts every day. What it comes down to is ‘I want more. I want more. More more more more more.’ That’s the addiction. It’s almost like a drug addiction. (X) You start off with the little drugs and then you want more and more and more and more. Money is the same way. More more more more more. Do they live lavishly? Do they spend on themselves? Of course they do. (X) But Martha Stewart — I mean (X) she gets an inside tip. (X) She basically says, ‘Oh I want to get out so I don’t lose any money.’ She doesn’t think to herself, ‘This isn’t right. I’m’ — you know, ‘I’m operating here on inside information.’ Allegedly. ‘And I might get caught.’ No no no. Her first thought is, ‘I’ve got to save my money. My my my my my my — it’s mine.’ And if it were a couch, if it were a car, if it were a dog, it would be the same thing: ‘My my me me my my my.’ Now that gets us to a very important story. (X) The Martha Stewart story is not really important. It just signifies that you can get addicted to money very, very quickly and then you just lose all (X) perspective. Now most Americans can’t get addicted to money because they don’t have any. And the reason they don’t (X) have any (X) is twofold. Number one: they fall into the trap of trying to buy stuff that they don’t need. Alright? And number two: the government takes about half of their money. And I’m talking about you guys who make (X) $35, 40, 50 grand. In that range. The government’s in for about half. Because once you get through with your income tax, your sales tax, your property tax, the tolls, your car registration, on and on and on and on. Add it up. Whatever state you live in, just tack on 8% everything you buy — that’s tax. Federal — you know what your federal is. Your payroll tax for Social Security, which you’ll never see, most likely. I mean that thing’s going to go bankrupt. (X X) So you don’t have any money. So you can’t get addicted to it because you don’t have it. Now the reason you don’t have it is because the government has to tax you to this incredible level because of things like Amtrak. (X) You’re ready for Amtrak? Last week, we told you about the illegal aliens coming across getting (X) $24 billion a year from us to pay for their social services including their medical. That’s $24 billion a year. That boondoggle is incredible. Now listen to this boondoggle. (X) Amtrak since 1971 when it was invented by the federal government — and it’s run by the government. (O)kay, Amtrak is the train system that’s run by the government. (X) Shouldn’t be. No (X) reason why the government should be running the trains. Just, you know, let (X) George Steinbrenner run them. Amtrak has run a deficit (X) every year (X) since its creation in 1971; has received more than 35 billion (X) dollars in assistance (X) from (X) the federal government to cover its deficits during that period. (X) $35 billion. That’s our money, ladies and gentlemen. We should get free rides on Amtrak. Now its bankrupt again. Again. So Shumar — Chucky Shumar, the senator from New York, Hillary’s pal although they hate each other.

M: Right.

B: Did you know that, Monica?

M: Oh yeah.

B: Hillary and —

M: Big rivalry.

B: Hillary and Chucky hate each other. And you guys listening in New York listening on WOR — (X) Hillary and Chucky? Wooooooooo man, they don’t like each other. Anyway, Chucky is quote “demanding” unquote that the federal government kick (or “KICK” X) $200 million in to Amtrak this week in what they call loan guaranties. (X) We’re never going to get paid back. We’ve got more chance of getting paid back by Botswana than we do by Amtrak. Okay? (X) So Senator Chucky Shumar demanding 200 in quote “loan guaranties” unquote. That’s just 200 million of your money out in Albuquerque; out in Nampa, Idaho; out in Spokane, Washington; (X) out in Evanston, Illinois. That’s your money right down — (“JUST”) it’s like you going out and throwing it right out into the sewer. Okay? You’re never going to see it. (X) So the point is that the federal government shouldn’t be running the trains. We need the trains. I like the trains. The trains are good. (X) Particularly here in New York where you can’t drive anywhere any more. It’s like Cairo because (or “BECAUSE”) the roads are (X) all under construction and they will be forever because the corrupt unions aren’t really working on the roads. They’re standing around waving to me as I crawl by 15 miles an hour. But — so we need the trains because at least the trains get you from one point to another in under three days. But no, we can’t make money on the trains because they’re government-run. And the government can’t make money on anything. Alright, do you get that ladies and gentlemen? The government can’t make money on anything. All the government is good at is taking money. (X) Oh no, they’re good at spending money too. But they can’t make money because they don’t pay attention and they don’t care. (X) So there’s Amtrak, it needs another $200 million, Chucky Shumar demanding it. Demanding it. Now Chucky Shumar represents New York state, which is a wealthy state in name only. Most people (who) live in New York state live from paycheck to paycheck (X) because if you live downstate in the New York area, housing costs are so exorbitant (X) that you can’t save any money. If you live upstate, despite Hillary telling everybody what she’s going to do up there, the economy is devastated. Alright? So New York is a tough place to live unless you’re one of these fat cat CEOs that are driving the country — company into bankruptcy and are getting 150 (X) million dollar bonuses, okay? So Amtrak getting money (X) and Congress is going to have to give it. You know why? Because they can’t shut it down because that — the economy which is already tottering — (“I”) Bush has got to be going nuts. The economy is already tottering. We could go back into another recession any time. So they’re going to have to do this. They’re going to put another $200 million in there, prop it up, (X) but of course the solution is let George Steinbrenner, let Donald Trump — (“HERE”) here’s what I would do. I’d go to Trump and say, “Hey, you run it and you can have casinos on all your trains.” I swear. That’s what I would do.

M: He’d go for it in seconds.

B: He’d go for it in a minute.

M: And you know what? He’s make a huge success.

B: That comb-over — that comb-over would stand straight up —

M: (small laugh)

B: — on Trump’s head. And Trump would say, “Yeah, baby!”

M: It’s true.

B: Just like Austin Powers.

M: Right. Casinos on rails.

B: “Yeah, baby. (X) I’m going to run Amtrak. I’ll put a casino on every train. Two casino cars.” Okay?

M: Yeah.

B: “And let them chug around all over the place. All the morons who spend all their money in the casinos go, ‘Look, I don’t have to go down to dingy Atlantic City on the Jersey turnpike (X) which doesn’t move anyway.’

M: Right.

B: ‘I can go on Trump’s train (“ALRIGHT”) and gamble and I’ll go anywhere.’

M: ‘Have a nice cocktail.’

B: And then look — yeah, that’s right.

M: ‘Watch the countryside go by.’ (X)

B: Tax Trump about 30% of all the gambling money he makes and have all the other cars carrying regular people, alright?

M: Right.

B: And then Trump will run it and it’ll make money. A little bit. Of course, he won’t — (“NO”) he’ll do something (“THA[T]”) — you know, won’t pay his bondholders off but Trump’s comb-over, which (X) stands straight up at this idea, he would dive into it and there you go. There you go. And Chucky Shumar, we give him like $10 worth of chips. Okay? To Chucky every time he’d go on.

M: (small laugh)

B: “Here’s $10 worth of chips.”

M: As an incentive to actually ride the train.

B: “Have a great time.” But not Hillary. I’m not giving her anything. (gives number) “Radio Factor.” We’ll be right back with your phone calls. (commercials followed by bumper music)

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B: Love train. Let’s start a love train, everybody. The O’Jays. People all over the world. Love train. Great song. That’s what we need. The Amtrak love casino train.

M: Right. Well Amtrak is not a love train.

B: I was going to say — can have a real love train. Put a little hookers up in the top car but nah, that would be —

M: Oh, a literal love train.

B: — that would be over the line. So I’m not going to recommend that. But hey —

M: But that would turn a profit.

B: That — you bet.

M: (small laugh)

B: That’d attract some ridership on there.

M: They’d be over booked for five years.

B: The love train. Yet, you know, if we’re in Holland we could do all that stuff but not here in America. Alright, let’s go to Tony in Tulsa, Oklahoma — has some inside information on Martha Stewart. Tony, go.

12: Yeah, Martha Stewart — she needs to end up in jail because you know she had some inside information (X) like they were talking about on the stopover on the Lear jet or whatever, her private jet.

B: Yeah?

12: She’s rude to people like her — like people that work with her, people who happen to drive up on her private residence up in Rhode Island or wherever the heck (X) she lives. No —

B: You’re believing the tabloid reports though, Mike — Tony. You don’t —

12: No no no. No, I’ve got cousins who live up there.

B: Ahh, you got cousins.

12: Yeah.

B: Firsthand cousin report. What do they say?

12: They say that she’s (X) not very friendly to the surrounding neighbors. She’s very confrontational when it comes to her family or especially anything to deal with her companies or holdings or her money and she’s basically out there hoovering all the money she can.

B: You bet.

12: So that’s it. Thanks, Bill.

B: Alright, Tony. Let’s go to Mike in Tacoma, Washington. (X) What do you say, Mike, about the Amtrak deal?

13: Well I — (X) I think that’s a big farce anyway and I (X) — and I know we need trains. (X) And I’m glad that you’re (X) fighting (X X) these bigwigs like Shumar and all these others (X) because it is nothing but a big mess.

B: It’s an outrage, (X) Mike, I’ll tell you. I mean if Americans (X) would just calm down and get out of the mall for one day a week and just think about how hosed we all get — how hosed (X) we all get (X) because of this insane spending. (X) $24 billion a year to pick up social services for illegal immigrants. They won’t stop them from coming into the country. (“FIF”) $35 billion on Amtrak which should be privately run. It could be better run. They might even make some money unless they ran it like the airlines, Monica, which are just a disgrace. (X) But why — why nothing ever gets solved? And you know why? Because they know they can continue to take your money.

M: Well and it’s all about politics, though. Look at Shumar and Hillary, right? Senators from New York. Northeast corridor line. They’re out there screaming that the government subsidy should be increased to try to save Amtrak because they don’t want voters (X) in their state to take it out on them in the next election.

B: Sure. And you know who’s the head of Amtrak? Mike Dukakis.

M: Oh well — and he was a huge success in Massachusetts.

B: And we two years ago (X) had an interview with Governor Dukakis, who I like by the way. An(d) (or “AN”) I told him right to his face, “Hey, Governor, this is not going to work. Amtrak’s a boond(oggle) — “Oh no.” And we’re going to run a little bit of that on “The O’Reilly Factor” tonight. Because again —

M: Well because he’s a liberal.

B: But I don’t like to be always right.

M: So of course he’s into the government subsidizing —

B: Monica, I don’t like to be always right. But I have to. I’m compelled for the record’s sake to run these things. (small laugh)

M: O’Reilly, you are so full of it. Come on.

B: (gives number) Steve in Fredericksburg, Virginia says, “What can the taxpayers do about this?” Steve?

14: Exactly. I mean I love your show and I love all the conservative shows but just like all your other listeners out there, it’s fanning the flame of cynicism. And I’m just disgusted with paying $800 a month for my hospitalization (insurance) while these illegal immigrants getting free. Here I am, I’m sitting in my driveway, right? I’m looking at free birdseed I put out in my garden and there’s 20 blackbirds eating it and two blue jays are being pushed away. (X) I’m looking at my roses. There’s Japanese beetles squirming all over them when I have poisoned a bug bag (X) on to the side with sweet stuff. They’re just not even going to it. I (X) feel like these, yeah, these insects that are just being sucked money from to be given away to everybody else.

B: Well there’s nothing you can do, Steve, except — here’s what you. I mean there’s nothing you can do in the short term. I mean you basically have to play the game because the game is pretty intransigent. I mean if you don’t pay your taxes they’re going to get you and you’re (“GONNA”) going to pay a lot more. And I always tell my accountant, “Pay the taxes. Pay them. I don’t want to mess around with these people.” But I will tell you this I got audited three years in a row under President Clinton. Alright? I’d never been audited before except for one year in Boston when I gave money to the Big Brother Foundation and the IRS didn’t (X) like that. It was unbelievable. But, anyway, (X) I paid them their $12 or whatever they wanted out of that. But I said to — (X) I said to my accountant, (“ALRIGHT”) “Next time they audit me, we’re going to bring in Swifty, (X) my lawyer in reserve. And the third time they audited me, my accountant went in with Swifty, alright? This New York City attorney who is like ‘not nice,’ (X) if you know what I mean.

M: Is he like Tony Soprano?

B: He’s not nice.

M: Okay.

B: And he basically said to the IRS agent involved, “If you continue with” — and these weren’t targeted audits. These were like ‘bring in everything. We’ll find something.’

M: Right.

B: “You do this, we’re going to file a federal action lawsuit against President Clinton on behalf of O’Reilly.”

M: Good.

B: Which is, of course, going to get headlines.

M: Huge news.

B: Everywhere.

M: Right.

B: And all of a sudden (X) it went away.

M: It stopped?

B: So don’t mess with the taxes. Pay the ta(xes). And I did. I pay these pinheads whatever they want. But when you go to the polls, if you hear Chucky Shumar saying, “We demand $200 million for a boondoggle.” (“DON’T”) Just don’t vote for Chucky. I mean it’s basically (X) Chucky and Hillary and Daschle. And even some Republicans. Even some Republicans like Trent Lott, who spent billions on a ship — cruise ship that’s still sitting there in Pascagoula, Mississippi.

M: Built in his state.

B: In his district.

M: Yeah. Of course.

B: You know, pay attention.

M: It’s all politics, Bill.

B: They’re taking it right out of your pocket. Alright? But we still like the love train idea and we’re going to call Donald Trump and try to get this going on with the — we can’t have the hookers but nah, you can’t have a topless car either. That wouldn’t be good.

M: O’Reilly!

B: No because — no. You know, if you do the topless car and you, like, have to go —

M: This is a family show, O’Reilly.

B: Right. If you have to go through North Carolina, I mean you — they’ll like derail you.

M: Can’t go through the Bible belt. (small laugh)

B: You can’t cross state lines with topless babes. We can’t do that. We could do the casino car and name it the love casino train. (gives number) You’re listening to “The Radio Factor,” Westwood One. Right back.

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V: Welcome back. I missed you.

V: Bill O’Reilly.

V: Ya, that’s nice.

V: Strangers in the night exchanging glances . . .

B: Alright. (gives number and Email address) Write that down. (repeats Email address) I’ve got an Email here from Chad Okrush in Eugene, Oregon: “Bill, I wanted to hate you but I can’t. I’m a blue collar guy and a student in media criticism and environmental sociology”—ooooh environmental sociology—”at the anarchist haven University of Oregon.” (laughs)

M: (small laugh)

B: Except if you’re on the football team. No anarchist on the duck squad. (X) “I figure you were just another conservative Rush clone but you’re much more than that. You’re authentic and unaffiliated. (X) While I don’t agree with everything you say, I support the forum you provide” blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Thank you, Chad. I appreciate that. (X) If you want to let us have it, theradiofactor@foxnews.com Email is a good way to do that, (X) by the way, if you don’t want to (X) wait on the lines and stuff. Email’s a great thing. Let’s go to John in (X) Arden, (X) North Carolina (“WHOSE”) wants some kind of subsidy. What do you want, John? What exactly do you want? (X)

15: Well I know this’ll kill you because you’re — you don’t like (“YEAH”) a lot of big cars but I think they ought to subsidize cars and do away with the (X) trains. One or the other.

B: What do you mean “subsidize cars”? What do you mean? (X)

15: Well, you know, gas should be fifty cents a gallon. And, you know, do away with trains. Why do we need trains? We’ve got good inter(X)state highways . . .

B: No, we don’t. Where do you — you live in Arden, North Carolina, okay.

15: Alright.

B: Maybe down where you are, John, you got good highways but, believe me, in every major city in the country, you can’t go anywhere. Trains are the way to go. (X) I like Amtrak. But it’s, no — it’s not run well. Obviously. I mean they just booted. Rick in Portland, Oregon knows that. Rick, go. (X)

16: Yeah, Bill, this just boils my blood. Every time Amtrak comes up. (X) Billions of dollars lost (X) every year since 1971. I can’t think of a private business, one industry in the private sector that could’ve survived anywhere near this long with those kind of losses. And I . . .

B: I’ll tell you one. The San Diego Padres. That’s one, Rick. (X) I’ll give you one right now. The San Diego Padres. You people out in San Diego listening on KFMB — okay now (X) they want a new football stadium for the San Diego (X) Chargers. They’ve got the Q, the Qualcomm Stadium for the Padres. (X) Terrible teams in San Diego —

M: Yeah.

B: — yet the taxpayers of San Diego (X) subsidize these teams like crazy.

M: Well there’s always hope, Bill. There’s always next season. You know.

B: Alright, well there’s always hope that Amtrak (“NO”) will turn a profit.

M: No no —

B: They haven’t in 31 years but we got hope that we won’t —

M: The government has no business subsidizing Amtrak, subsidizing these trains.

B: Or professional sports teams.

M: Now I totally agree.

B: You know?

M: I don’t want my tax dollars going to —

B: That’s the biggest boondoggle in the world.

M: That’s right.

B: But, you know, there — here’s — here. You’ve got to give the other side too, Monica. The people say, “Look, if we have the professional sports team, then we’ll bring money in like they did in (X) Coors Field in Denver, like they did in Baltimore. We’re going to bring a lot — inner city will be revived. It’s a good field. Cleveland very successful. So (X) there’s a benefit to the community. (X) Amtrak says, “Look, you’ve got to keep us float(X)ing because, (X) A, we get — we take a lot of people to work. (X “N”) It’s not a polluter. (“NO”) There is (X) a justification but you can make money on these things if you’re creative and the federal government — the only thing the federal government is creative in is taking our money. They can think up taxes. They got a new tax in New York. You ready for this tax? This is unbelievable and this is coming soon to a town near you, ladies and gentlemen. If you sell your house in New York state, you now have to fill out a form that says what might go wrong in your house for the new buyer. Not what is. What might. Now —

M: After you sell it.

B: After you sell it. Like (X) “The shower could fall down.”

M: (laughs)

B: You’ve got to fill this form out. But if you pay the state $500 you don’t have to fill it out.

M: Oh no. Say it’s not true.

B: It’s extortion.

M: Why am I always shocked by these kinds of (X) crazy new taxes?

B: So (“LET ME HEAR”) this is exactly what it is. (X) If you sell a house in New York state, you’ve got to fill this form out. And then of course this form’s going to cause trouble because you’re giving it to the person who’s buying your house and they’re going to, “Wait a minute. Fix the shower. Or what do you mean the roof’s going — fix the roof.” Okay?

M: Right.

B: The lawyers are going to get involved, run up your bill. So, of course, no one’s going to do that and you can waive it for a $500 state —

M: Oh this is so outrageous.

B: It is theft.

M: This can’t be lawful, Bill.

B: It’s the(ft) — no. It is.

M: This new tax cannot be lawful. (“THEY”)

B: Any way —

M: Will somebody out there get out there and challenge this?

B: Any — I don’t. You find somebody. (“HEAR YOU”)

M: This is insane.

B: Any way to make money, they’re going to come to your house — look, if Hillary Clinton’s elected President 2008, she’s first of all going to come to my house and take all the furniture. That’s going to be the first thing she does.

M: And in my house — and take the furniture.

B: She’s going to pull up a big van — Hillary’s going to be there: “Back it up. Back up the van to O’Reilly’s house. I’m going to take all his furniture.”

M: (small laugh)

B: Okay? Because she’s going to raise taxes more. You’re going to be sixty —

M: Oh yeah.

B: We’re going to all be Sw(edish) — if Hillary Clinton — alright, here it is. (X) If Hillary Clinton is elected President in 2008 we are all going to be required to learn Swedish. (X) Because we will be run on the Sweden model of socialistic government. (X) Alright, so just put that in your bonnet out there.

M: 75% tax rate.

B: Yeah, easy.

M: Right.

B: Okay. Alright, let’s go to Lloyd — Lloyd’s not ready. Let’s go to John in Charleston, South Carolina, says that Martha Stewart has got to go to jail. John? John, I can’t hear you. I can’t hear you, John. What has to happen is you live in Charleston, you have to pay your phone bill. Alright? That’s, you know, if you don’t, what they do is the phone company won’t disconnect you, John, but, see, they’ll play a mean trick on you. Because that way you will call and no one can hear you. Let’s go to Pat in Birmingham, Alabama, says Martha is guilty and needs to go to jail. Pat?

17: Absolutely. I love you to death, by the way.

B: Thank you.

17: You keep my blood pressure raised, though. But, no, I think if she’s guilty, which it definitely sounds (X) like it, I hope her and everyone involved goes down. (“AN”) And I think she’ll look good in stripes. (X X) She’ll look good.

B: Well she’s not going to jail. She’ll get probation. (“AN”) You know, they’ll probably keep her in her mansion with a little electronic bracelet or something.

M: And they’ll give her a huge fine which she’ll have no problem paying because she’s worth a billion dollars.

B: Right. And then she’ll write it off. She’ll write the fine off against her business or something. (laughs)

M: Do you know I saw her — (“I”) Bill, I saw her the day that her company went public and she was instantly worth a billion dollars. She was at Yankee Stadium. She walked right in front of me and everybody at Yankee Stadium — you know the Yankees’ fans —

B: Sure.

M: — are crazy and they all yelled at her, “Hey, Martha, can we have a loan? Can I have twenty bucks?” (X)

B: They were all giving her the jazz, huh?

M: And she looked at them and she leveled a steely gaze and she said, “No, you cannot have $20.”

B: That’s right. I mean Martha Stewart —

M: And she meant it.

B: — will be starring in “A Christmas Carol,” ladies and gentlemen, next Christmas.

(gives number twice) Right back. (commercials followed by bumper music)

Let me tell you about Ahab (X) the Arab

The sheik of the burning sand . . .

B: I can’t tell you about Ahab the Arab. That’s racial profiling.

M: Ohh.

B: So I can’t do it. I’d like to tell you about him. But I will tell you about Osama bin Laden. In the news again, ladies and gentlemen, because President Bush has now put a time limit on capturing or killing bin Laden. And, Monica, who has a Ph.D., by the way, in international relations — that is so impressive.

M: Thank you, Bill.

B: From Columbia University.

M: Thank you. (X)

V: Has a comment on that.

M: Yeah. There’s clearly something going on here. We’ve been, what, ten months out since September 11th. (X) Mission number one to find this guy, apprehend him, assassinate him — we haven’t been able to do (X) it so far. And now President Bush says that he wants Osama bin Laden dead—not alive, dead—by September 11 for the first anniversary. To me —

B: He wants it or he thinks it’s going to happen?

M: Well I mean perhaps there’s some wishful thinking going on here but I do not think that the President would make himself politically vulnerable by putting a date on this.

B: Unless he kind of knew something?

M: Unless they had pretty good information as to where bin Laden is.

B: That’s an interesting point because, look, it’s ab(surd) — (X) the whole situation is so absurd. (X) And we send (“NO”) thousands of trips over to Afghanistan and we defeat the Taliban but we can’t find Mullah Omar.

M: I know.

B: Okay, Mullah O(mar) —

M: The one-eyed bandit.

B: Right. One-eyed guy who everyone in the country knows. It’s like — it’s not li(ke) — it’s like Tom Cruise and we can’t find him.

M: Right.

B: Everyone knows in Afghanistan Mullah Omar. (X) And it’s hard to be — (X) tough for him to disguise. I mean he can put on a false beard but he still only has one eye. And if he puts the patch on the other eye, then he can’t see.

M: (laughs) Right.

B: So his disguise possibilities are limited. So there’s Mullah Omar. He’s running around Afghanistan. Not a lot —no, I guess he could hide in caves but we know he’s not doing that. So (X) we can’t find Mullah Omar. And then bin Laden, alright we understand. He’s got a lot of jack — (“HE’S”) you know —

M: But Bill —

B: — to hire people and all of that.

M: Osama bin Laden is what? 6’5″? That’s about as tall as you are. Right?

B: Yeah, he’s —

M: And he’s got —

B: — and the turban makes him 6’8″.

M: Right, adds two inches.

B: And he wear — and I understand (X) he wears platform heels.

M: Platform shoes.

B: So he’s about (X) 6’10”.

M: Alright, so how hard can . . . (X) and he’s also on kidney dialysis.

B: And that machine is hard to drag around.

M: Can we not fi(nd) — when he’s shlepping around — the dialysis machine around the desert.

B: Yeah, I mean if you’re in Peshawar and you’re 6’10” wearing platform shoes, a turban, with a kidney dialysis machine —

M: You’re going to stand out.

B: You’d think the CIA might zero in on that. But no —

M: Well I think —

B: — we can’t find him.

M: You know, I think —

B: We don’t know where they are. (small laugh)

M: I think the administration has handled the war very well so far but I think their big mistake (X) was launching the initial attacks in Afghanistan without pinning these two guys down first.

B: Well they didn’t seal the border to Pakistan.

M: Before they went.

B: That was their mistake. If they had sealed the border to Pakistan, alright, and then these guys had nowhere to run —

M: Right.

B: — then they would’ve caught them.

M: They could’ve gone west to Iran.

B: But they — you know they had a big, like — okay, hey, it’s like Mexico. (X) Alright, if anybody invades Mexico — say Guatemala gets teed off and tomorrow launches their vast army into Mexico.

M: Right.

B: Well the Mexicans will run into Texas and Arizona, New Mexico . . .

M: Right. (“BECAUSE”)

B: You know, that’s — there’s nothing to stop them.

M: And then we’ll have to pay for their health insurance.

B: And then we’ll pay for all their health care.

M: (laughs) Right.

B: Right. So they’ll get a ‘two for.’ They get away from the (X) Guatemalan Army who is vicious and after them. And then they get all their healthcare paid for —

M: Yeah.

B: — because they’ll run right across. Now (X) the point of the matter is though that this war on terror is basically now a stalemate. And Bush is in a little bit of trouble because he’s got a stalemated war and he’s got a sinking economy. And he’s only got really two years before he’s got to run again. (X) So he needs a big, big win. And you would think that the easiest win would be getting Osama bin Laden. If Bush gets him, then his — then he buys himself another year of trying to get the economy rolling. If he doesn’t get him, then the economy starts to loom larger and (X) larger and larger. And you’ll see his approval rating evaporate. (X)

M: Yeah well getting the smaller guys like Jose Padilla (X) and some of these others folks — very, very crucial to the war effort but it is absolutely critical that this administration get the scalp of bin Laden and the scalp of Mullah Omar or, otherwise, this effort is going to be perceived as a failure. It may not be a failure but it’s perceived as one.

B: I wouldn’t see — even if they don’t (X) get bin Laden and Omar, I wouldn’t say it’s a failure because (X) they obviously disrupted —

M: But it’s going to be (X) perceived that way, Bill. (X)

B: And you got to give some credit to — I mean I’ve been (X) hammering the CIA and FBI because obviously — (X) but nothing has happened since 9-11 (X) here. And you got to give some credit to the federal law enforcement (X) and local and state as well in the sense that all the vigilance (X) has paid off.

M: Yeah, that’s right.

B: In the sense that there has not been another incident here. And we hope (“THERE”) — obviously pray there won’t be. But give them credit for that. Give them credit for sealing it up. (X) The only thing that they haven’t done is (X) the borders.

M: Right.

B: The borders remain insane. (X) And this all for politics because they will not seal them because they don’t want to tee off the (X) Hispanic vote or the Canadians (X) up — they don’t want to get them upset. And that is super dangerous.

M: Well it’s so short-sighted.

B: Super dangerous.

M: And you’ve been calling — you were calling for this before 9-11.

B: Yeah, way before.

M: But you can put the military on the borders without militarizing the borders. Those are two totally different things.

B: See, I don’t care. I mean if you — I want the military on the border. You want to say it in another way, go ahead. See, I don’t care if the Mexicans are offended. That doesn’t bother me.

M: But that’s only part of the equation.

B: Am I in(X)sensitive?

M: Bill, you?

B: It doesn’t bother me —

M: You insensitive?

B: — if the Mexicans are offended.

M: Never.

B: They’ve done (X) so much damage to this country the last 30 years. (“NO” “WHY” “TH”)

M: Well you can put the military on the border and that solves half of the problem. The other half of the problem is the INS, which is a complete disaster.

B: You got to reorganize.

M: And, you know, right after September 11th, the administration made a mistake. They should have called for a moratorium on all immigration right then and there and cleaned up the mess.

B: Stop it dead.

M: Stop it dead. Root out all of the folks who aren’t supposed to be here, who are here illegally.

B: Yeah, that’s good.

M: And then reevaluate and restructure the organization.

B: And they didn’t do it because?

M: Politics.

B: Afraid.

M: Of course.

B: Okay. (gives number) We’re going to take a quick break, get to your phone calls about — anything you want. We’re going to open it up. (gives Email address) O’Reilly, Westwood One. (commercials include Bella Sera Wine followed by bumper music)

B: We’re rolling along here on “The Radio Factor.” Let’s go to Hy in Fort Lauderdale who says that the U.S. government doesn’t want to find bin Laden. Why not, Hy?

18: That’s right, Bill. (“YE AH”) Nobody gets it. They could have gotten him if they want to. They just don’t want him. He’s too hot of potato. What would you do with him once you got with him and what would the repercussions be?

B: Shoot him in the head.

18: Yeah. And what would the re — there wouldn’t be an American safe anywhere around the world.

B: There isn’t now. (“UH HUH”)

18: A lot — it would be a lot worse.

B: You really think so?

18: Believe me, they don’t want him. He’s a hot potato.

B: I don’t think so, Hy.

18: That’s why they don’t got him.

B: I don’t think it can get any worse for Americans (X) around the world. I really don’t. I mean it’s — these fanatics in the (X) Islamic world, if you kill bin Laden, if you don’t kill bin Laden, it doesn’t matter. They’re going to try to hurt us no matter what, Hy. I mean they just are. (X) It’s a situation where Americans now have to understand that there is a movement, (X) not real well organized but with enough funding and enough (X) skill as far as evil is concerned that they can hurt us. They can’t defeat us but they can hurt us. Now whether we shoot bin Laden — (X) I wouldn’t capture him. I’ve always said this. I would not capture the man. If I found him, (X) I’d probably squirrel him away (X) somewhere and nobody would know it. And I, you know, I’d grill him to try to get every piece of information he had. (X) And then I’d shoot him.

M: Then assassinate him.

B: Yeah, I mean and then I — and then, “Oohway oh, he’s trying to escape. You know, what can we do? We found his body.”

M: Self-defense.

B: And (X) I wouldn’t even say we did it. I’d say (X) his brother did it. I mean they had a shoot-out or, you know, evidence is — something like that because — Hy is right in the sense that that would incite in the short term more anti-American feeling. (“NOW”) Before (X X X) — before we go to the next break, I want to get this off my chest — you know the Southwest Airlines story? Okay. I didn’t deal with this last week because, you know, I had to think about it — actually try to think, here. I know that (X) on a lot of radio programs, that’s not encouraged but I’m thinking about this over the weekend. Okay, (“YOU’RE BIG”) you’re a big person, alright? You weigh 350 or 300 pounds and, you know, obviously nobody wants to sit next to you on the airline. And you know that. And I feel sorry for people who are overweight. A lot of them it’s not their fault and they have a, you know (or “YOU KNOW”), gene thing or glandular thing and, (X) you know, a lot of problems in this and that. Alright (or “ALRIGHT”) but if I’m sitting there on Southwest Airlines and there’s a guy (X) sitting next to me and he’s 300 pounds. And, you know, his elbow is in the (X) crook of my neck and, no, he’s breathing in my ear, I’m not real fond of that. You know what I’m saying? That’s intruding on me. So Southwest Airlines says, “Okay, if you’re big. And I’ve got to see the guidelines here. (X) “We’re going to charge you for two seats.” So, therefore, you can, you know, have a little bit more elbow room in the — sad. But you’re punishing people who are overweight and it’s not against the law or against our Constitution to be overweight. So it looks like that’s against civil rights to me. It looks like they’re going to have some civil rights problem there. But on a logistical basis, Constitution aside and all of that, (X) people who are overweight are obviously intruding on people in (X) close quarters. They’re intruding on them. (X) And I think (X) people who are overweight have got to take that into account. It’s tough. I understand that. But if you’re really a massive individual, then you are going to inconvenience other people and, you know, on an airline, if you’re on a five-hour (“TRIP”) coast to coast and you’re in coach and there’s somebody next to you wheezing for five hours, it’s tough. That’s a tough deal. It’s like a little kid screaming, you know? (X) And I’ve had plenty of them. (X) I write in The O’Reilly Factor book I was on one flight (X) and I had this (“K”) kid kicking the seat. And I turned around and I asked his mother—the kid was about four or five—I said, “Madam, would you please tell (“NO”) little Brendan to stop kicking my seat.” Nothing. Didn’t . . . just looked at me like I was a Martian. (X) So (or “SO”) Brendan kept kicking the seat. So then I unfolded from my chair, all 6’4″ of me, and I put my face very close to Brendan’s and I said, “You see the size of my foot, Brendan? One more kick and that foot’s going to come very, very close to you.” Brendan didn’t kick me the rest of the flight, ladies and gentlemen. But I would’ve charged Brendan double anyway because his mother was a moron. And she would’ve had to pay. “Radio Factor,” O’Reilly, Westwood One.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I SENT BILL O’REILLY THE FOLLOWING EMAIL LATER THAT DAY. I FIRST EMAILED HIM ON DEC 27, 1999, SENDING HIM A TRANSCRIPT OF MY “THE EDGE OF REALITY” INTERVIEW.)

Subject: Follow-Up To My Call This Morning

Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:28:20 -0700

From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>

Organization: https://testament.org

To: oreilly@foxnews.com

Bill,

When I mentioned on the air today that people fool themselves into

thinking that they don’t share responsibility for their actions while

working on behalf of an illusory group identity, this was the way it was

for me, myself, until my experience where a Higher Power revealed Love

to me.

In such a materialistic culture where media are structured around

commercials and advertisements perpetuating messages of

self-gratification that emphasize individual gain and luxury, it is

important to remind people that with every decision we make, we can

transform the planet into a better place, sharing the gifts that have

been provided to us; or Earth can become a harsher world with a greater

proportion of greed and self-preoccupation.

It is my hope that you will consider using your position of such great

potential power with intelligence and creativity to find a way to help

others learn about my experience documented at https://testament.org —

if you decide to accomplish this, you will be helped as I have found

myself assisted during every step of my journey by this Higher

Self/Christ Consciousness/Oneness of All Spirit. I thought it was a

significant moment on the show today when you quoted the song “Love

Train” that was featured as bumper music.