Q: Mark Russell Bell
A: Art Bell (portion of radio broadcast)
R: Dr. Roger Leir (portion of radio broadcast)
W: Whitley Strieber (portion of radio broadcast)
U: caller from Minnesota (portion of radio broadcast)
S: caller from Seattle (portion of radio broadcast)
C: caller from Chicago (portion of radio broadcast)
F: caller from Fresno (portion of radio broadcast)

A: Well I would think also — I mean people have artificial hips put in, (“AR”) artificial all sorts of things—foreign objects—in their body that would be received much more lovingly biologically with this on.

R: Oh sure and it just would be fantastic. Now let’s take a look at where would the keratin come from? You know, and I’ve had numerous discussions with pathologists, you know, trying to give me a clue: “Well, you know, when you open the skin, you drag some keratin in.” Well it doesn’t become combined in a membrane. No, it’s impossible. (“SO”) There hasn’t been a logical explanation. But one of the — and Whitley will I’m sure attest to this too — one of the most common marks found on an abduction victim is what we have termed a ‘scoop mark.’

A: A scoop mark. Right.

W: Absolutely. That’s correct.

R: And this scoop mark looks like you just took a little tiny spoon and you scooped something superficially out of the skin and it leaves a depression. Now I’ve seen these when they were relatively new. And when they’re relatively new, they have a very shiny base that looks moist. But if you go to touch it with your finger, it’s just dry as a bone. When they heal, they do not heal with a scab. Everything just kind of goes back to normal and there you are with this little scoop mark in the skin. Well, jumping ahead a bit — (“I”)

A: Yeah, I think the lightbulb just went on.

R: (laughs)

A: I — let me guess. I’m just going to guess. Could it be that they are taking that little scoop to be part of the mixture that they put together to coat their implant with?

R: I think you’re right on and when I —

W: Absolutely.

R: — give you this other little part of the puzzle, you’ll have —

W: Get ready for this. This is amazing.

R: You’ll be amazed. Today, we’ve done seven cases and in two of the cases that we did, we chose individuals who had something on the skin. A scoop mark. And adjacent to this or below it was a little round grayish white ball. Now I sent the material out and had analysis done of the soft tissue, including the scoop mark and it went to several different laboratories. All the tests are blinded. No one knows what they’re getting or what it is. I just say, “Tissue adjacent to foreign body.”

A: Yes, sir.

R: And they send me a report based on that. Well all of these pieces of material — in other words two cases, you know, sent out three times is a lot of different specimens. Every single one came back with a diagnosis of solar elastosis. (“NOW”) That sounds like a pretty long technical medical term but to boil it down, it’s very simple. It just means that the dermis or the deep layer of the skin has been exposed to a huge amount of ultraviolet.

A: UV.

R: Now can you take what you just said before and think this through? Suppose that there was available a small little instrument that would put out ultraviolet. And that little instrument could scoop keratin out of the skin and at the same time peel it with the ultraviolet.

A: As in cauterizing a wound or something like that?

R: As — yeah. As in cauterizing but not to the point where you make a char because if you make a char like with a laser, if you have a carbonized edge you’re going to heal by the ordinary means. But if you seal it —

A: Ahhhh.

R: — you see? If you emulsify it, if you seal it with black ultraviolet light, then you’re creating a phenomena which has never been used.

W: Yes.

A: Now I flashback to Whitley’s talking about this being with this wand. Yes, Whitley?

W: Yes. That’s right. That wand is something that is — I’ve not only experienced but many people have written me about. I might add, by the way, that as soon as Roger told me about this solar elastosis finding, I was on the phone to the lab I’ve been working with here and, as I told him I would be, they are now searching for anything regarding the use of ultraviolet light or ultraviolet lasers in surgical applications both in veterinary and in human medicine. We — no one could think of anything like this in human medicine and there’s just an off chance there might be something in veterinary medicine but we don’t think so. But I think what you’re looking at here is the outcome of a completely unknown and unexplored surgical technique. And maybe even something that we weren’t thinking about looking for until we saw this phenomenon and now maybe they’re going to start — (“WE”) we can start looking at ultraviolet light in a new way just like the chemical companies are starting to look at these membranes. And, you know, I have to tell you that I think that we’re talking to an incredible man, Art. That he has done this and Derrel Sims together (“HAVE”) have done this —

A: I’m not clear on who Derrel Sims — what his relationship is with Roger.

W: Okay, well let me — I’ll let Roger talk about that also but Sims is a fascinating individual. He is a — twenty-seven years as a UFO researcher. He lives in Houston and he has basically been collecting implants and people with them in them for a long time. And (I) have never been able to find anyone really willing and open-minded enough to do this surgery. Because, you know, most doctors — (“R” or “ARE” “C” or “SEE” “TH”) you know, they’re good scientists but they don’t have the vast amount of knowledge that you see just flowing out of Roger’s mouth.

A: Okay so I now see the connection. Dr. Lear, I have a question for you. A surgeon—and there are thousands of them across the country—who would remove something like this from somebody without the background of knowledge of abduction — what would they likely do? Would they just send this thing off to pathology? Would they simply throw it away? What would be the disposition probably in a simple outpatient surgical procedure?

R: That’s a very good question, Art, and I’m glad you brought that up because it’s the same thing that I did, basically, for twenty-seven or twenty-eight, twenty-nine years before I ever got into this. You take something out and you have the welfare of the patient at heart.

A: Of course.

R: So your main concern is to get this thing sent into a laboratory and you’re interest is basically two things: is it going to cause any damage to the patient and is it benign or is it malignant; and is it out? And then if it comes back — whatever way it comes back, we don’t care what happens to it. It’s gone. Throw it away. So you can just imagine across the land — across the world, how many things that have been thrown away of interest. And I (or “AND I”) — I may be guilty.

A: In other words, it’s something anomalous but from the physician’s point of view or the surgeon’s, it’s benign and so it was some anomalous material. They don’t care. It’s benign; thank God it’s not cancer and you’re done.

R: That’s it. It didn’t belong there. I took it out. No more pain. Good-bye.

A: Remarkable. Absolutely remarkable. And you have done in your career a good half dozen of these now?

R: We’ll have done seven cases so far. (“SIR”) Now I want to go back to your original question about Derrel. Derrel and I have become — formed a partnership and we want to pursue this investigation. And because of our relationship we realized some time ago that you can’t do this kind of stuff without funds. You know, we’ve — basically we’re supporting this out of our pockets and I’m not a rich fellow and neither is he so we formed an organization which is non-profit. It’s called the Fund for Inter-Active Research in Space Technology or the acronym is FIRST. And FIRST went ahead and tried to raise some funds from various sources and get some backdoor stuff done and I’m sure you amongst anybody will realize that backdoor stuff just doesn’t cut it. You can’t get the interest of the scientific community and people owe you favors. And they do you favors and they’re well-meaning and nice but you’re never going to get an article in a scientific journal.

A: When you discuss this with your colleagues, what sort of general reaction do you get, doctor?

R: Well I thought that, you know — at first I was reticent to even let anybody know what I was doing. And I appeared on various television programs as Doctor X, Doctor Sam and Doctor This and Doctor That. (“BUT”) Finally, I sort of came out of the closet. I was very surprised that nobody made any comments. (“SO”) When you do this, you need a lot of consulting people because you know I, in my specialty you may need somebody that’s, you know, a neurosurgeon. Somebody may claim they have something in the head. (“OR”) You may want to look in the chest cavity or even GU problems that occur. So I’ve had to ask, you know, colleagues — (“BUT”) let me tell you this: across the board I really haven’t had anybody that’s ever snickered. They’re all extremely interested. If — and that is to me — was a very, very big surprise.

W: I’m finding that too in the scientific community here in Texas of — people are very interested. Now that they’re beginning to get their hands on material objects to work with —

A: Yes. Hard evidence.

W: Hard evidence. There’s really not a lot of resistance to that at all. I mean if there’s anybody who wishes there was, they’re going to have a big surprise because the (or “BECAUSE” “THE”) average scientists that I talked to is fascinated and eager to work on this.

R: So you might say we’ve gotten ourselves into the physical evidence business.

W: Right.

A: (small laugh)

R: And then because we’re using — you know, we’re really trying to marry hard science to a field that they’ve never really looked at before. And because of our relationship with (“LIKE”) the Bigelow Group, we did get funding from Bob Bigelow. And we were able to use laboratories like Los Alamos, New Mexico; Tech University, California and a number of, you know, well — world-renowned laboratories. Because of this, we have gained the favor and trust of a lot of individuals who have material that they would not relinquish to anybody else. They have turned them into us for analysis. We keep their identities strictly secret and the results of whatever we find is only released back to the person. If they want to release it to the rest of the world and they do not have fears, we do that. One of the things just among many I want to mention is that we have a piece of glass that has im — this came out of a window and imbedded into this glass is a impression of two little hands and an arm. And this was taken from the bedroom of an abductee.

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A: Are you overweight? Would you like to lose an average of eight . . .

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Q: So, for some reason or other, the next half hour portion of the show I didn’t record. It must’ve been on play because that section of the tape is blank. So the rest of the program — the last half hour and an additional half hour I left the machine on record and went to bed. So here’s what I recorded.


A: It is. And what a fascinating time with Dr. Roger Leir. I would like to add that Dr. Leir is apparently going to make and appearance on “Hard Copy” this Tuesday, CBS at 7:30 p.m. or depending on where you are in the nation. Check your guides. At any rate, “Hard Copy” this coming Tuesday if you would like to see Dr. Roger Leir. (“WHAT”) What an hour that was, huh? Whitley Strieber back with us in a moment. Now you know considerably more about implant (“WHAT YOU”) than you did before, I should say. Folks, if — we are a very mobile nation. We move a lot. We move around a lot and so a lot of times children—I’m a classic case—are not close to their parents. Thousands of miles are in-between. Now I would like to suggest to you that Thanksgiving is coming up as you I hope know next Thursday. Now I have an idea for you. If you cannot be with your parents, if you cannot be with your family, here’s an idea. Send flowers. You know why? Because even though you’re not there and even though they’re having Thanksgiving dinner, your presence will be all around them. I mean simply all around them. It’s that — has that much impact when you send Absolutely Fresh Flowers, a flower company that really is a flower farm. All they grow is miniature carnations. They do one thing and they do it very well and they sell them to you wholesale and the deal is sweet and simple: $42.95 and you get this gigantic shipment of flowers sent anywhere in the contiguous USA delivered next day by FedEx. Now you can call them tonight and arrange to have them delivered just before Thanksgiving. Inside this big triangular box is a note from you saying, “I wish I could be there, Mom or Dad,” which is the sweet thing to do, you know? “But think of me when you look at these.” I don’t know. I just made that up. Whatever message you would want to send with your name at the bottom all handwritten. Very personal, very emotional and extremely effective Thanksgiving. You can order now while you’re thinking about it. You know, otherwise you forget. The number is (gives number twice). Now BayGen. . . .

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W: What an amazing hour.

A: Yeah. (“CU[T] IT”)

W: He is (“AN EE”) an example of a real scientist who’s plainly taken an interest in this subject and coming up with hard evidence. (“IT IS”) Hard to deny this. I mean it’s — and you know to those (“YEAH”) who, like me, out there who think they may have implants in their body — I have been living with this thing — consciously living with this for ten years. More than that now. Since 1986 —

A: Get good and close to the phone for me. (“YEAH”)

W: I’m sorry.

A: There you go.

W: Since 1986 and I have — I’ve come through it and I — what I — what worries me about the whole implant issue is that it’s a very frightening thing to think that you may have something like this in your body or in some cases I know people whose kids have them in their bodies. And yet at the same time we’re all surviving. People are developing different ways of coping with this and part of this whole experience is realizing first that we’re not maybe completely in control of things as we thought we were. (“WE’RE NOT”) We’re not in the driver’s seat around here (“AS”) nearly as much as we thought. But part of it is realizing that we can get back into that situation. You can gain a lot of control over your relationship with the visitors. It’s amazing. Possible to do. But I just don’t — I worry about people panicking over this. I don’t want that to happen. The work Leir is doing is really solid. The man is, frankly, he’s ending the argument about whether or not something strange is happening to people and going into the body — their bodies because it’s true. It is. I was present at three of the surgeries that he did and I found it to be so emotionally moving I actually had to leave during part of it because it was overwhelming to me. It was overwhelming to my wife, Ann, as well because for her she’s never had many experiences and she’s a very practical, down to Earth person. To see these objects coming out of people we knew — (“WAS”) incredible. What an extraordinary experience. (“YES” “N”) Then I started working, trying to have an implant removal program and we were all set to go. We had, if you can believe it, in the two or three days I put this on my website, 125 Emails from people with strong evidence of implants in their body. And then the funding fell through at the last minute. And we’ll do it again. I mean I’m going to get the funding. (“AND WE’LL”) We’ll do the program but I just want listeners to know that there are an awful lot of people out here who are surviving with these in their bodies and living perfectly normal and good lives. Me included.

A: Yeah. You included. Although there’s no way you cannot say it’s not had a profound effect on your life so I guess if that’s normal, it’s normal but —

W: Well it’s something I would like to be in control of. I would like to know exactly what these things are doing and if they can be gotten out. And I want to be able to make an intelligent choice about that. (“TO[T]HE”) It’s people like Leir who are going to help us do this.

A: Indeed. Alright, let’s switch gears a little bit. I wanted an it looks like we will have the time. There is — Whitley, there has been something going on in Mexico —

W: Yes.

A: — now for years literally. I think years.

W: Since 1931.

A: That is just almost indisputable. There have been so many UFOs, so many anomalous objects in Mexico. We have reports from reliable sources that airliners have collided with the damn things.

W: That’s right.

A: There have been damage—documented—to airliners. Pilots down there don’t have the same fear, apparently, that our pilots do. Nor do the air controllers there. And the reports coming from Mexico are just unbelievable. And I know you’ve done something on this. What do you know?

W: Oh yes. Well I’ve been working on this for a few years since I met Jaime Mausson who is the Mexican newscaster who first became involved in this back in 1991 when some — they had an eclipse there and there were some very unusual objects videotaped during the eclipse by people who were watching the eclipse. In the U.S. these were said to be images of the planet Venus. (“IT”) Turned out, however, that Venus was not in the same area of the sky as the sun. And one researcher (“O[NE]”) — two researchers even went so far as to say that you could make a video of Venus that looked just like the objects that they had videoed down there. So I went out to do this because I was eager to disprove this one if I could as I am with every piece of evidence I get. And it turned out that the images of Venus that you take with a video camera are nothing like the objects (“THAT WERE”) that were filmed down there. That was just the 1991 episode.

A: You know, I thought for a long time that the reason we don’t see a lot of anomalous objects in the sky even at night is because we don’t look up. Now during an eclipse —

W: Everybody looks up.

A: — everybody’s looking up.

W: And there was this huge response. Everybody was looking up. Jaime was on television from — on one of the — they have programs there that go on until interest dies down. Call-in television programs. And this was a program that normally ended at two o’clock in the morning, I believe it was. He was on until ten-thirty the next morning. (“[H]OY”) Finally, everybody in Mexico became so exhausted trying to get through to the program, they gave up and it ended. It — (“TH”) there was that much interest. And the result — I think there was a response because subsequently since then Mexico has had the most extraordinary series of UFO encounters and films and videos ever made. The — there — some of the material is available here in the United States in a couple of videos distributed by Brit and Lee Elders (“Y[ES]”) called I believe “Masters of the Stars.” And much of it still has not been seen here, including incidentally a couple of remarkable pieces of video. One is a video of an apparent alien which is as close to being authentic as anything we have. It’s a remarkable little piece of video taken by a woman at night who came home to find this strange glowing creature in her backyard. Now what makes it so incredible is that (or “THAT”) the night before there had been a UFO hanging over the town of Metepec where this video was made and it had been observed on the Mexico City tower radar as well as observed from the town of Tula nearby visually by air traffic controllers. (“N”) Like you say. Unlike up here where they will not say anything about something like that, they were fascinated and they told Jaime Mausson all about it. (“SO”)

A: Jaime Mausson, for those who don’t know, did the equivalent of “60 Minutes.” In fact, it was called that, I think, in Mexico.

W: That’s right.

A: For years and years so he was a class A anchor.

W: Absolutely the Mike Wallace of Mexico.

A: Sure.

W: And he still is. (“I”) I — Jaime and I are together fairly frequently and when he comes up to San Antonio, when we go out to the 8:30 Mexicana flight back to Mexico City that — to take him to the plane, everybody on the flight immediately recognizes him. He’s a superstar in Mexico. In any case, here’s what happened after the UFO was observed over Metepec. The next night, the lady took this video of this strange thing. The next day, they found that a cornfield where the creature had been moving toward was all trampled down. (“NOW”) Incredibly, over the next few weeks, the tower kept reporting to Jaime that this UFO was reappearing in different places around the area. He took up a helicopter finally and went to each coordinate that the tower had given him and at each place found the same thing. The crops had been crushed and trampled under the area where the UFO had appeared. A remarkable story.

A: Did they do (“I E”) — you know in this country and England when they have crop circles and crops are affected one way or another, Dr. Levingood and others examine the crops and more times than not find that there are molecular changes that cannot be accounted for in any way at all. At least, in what are considered to be legitimate crop circles. Obviously, there are some fakes but they have found these definite molecular changes.

W: Oh yeah, it’s gotten to the point where it’s relatively easy to tell the difference between the real and fake (“THAT — THAT’S”) crop circles.

A: That’s right.

W: Now in Mexico, I don’t know how aware they were of the crop circle research at the time that this happened. But this was something found anyway that was quite extraordinary and I’ve got — Jaime has sent me some video of this and it’s a most remarkable thing. It’s a pumpkin plant that has got a number of leaves on it of different plants. It’s (or “IT’S”) — in another words, it’s some kind of a bizarre hybridized plant that was in the middle of — sitting there in the middle of one of these fields. It was just completely inexplicable. Unfortunately, the plant itself has been destroyed because of the passage of time and their lack of awareness (“AA”) at the time of the importance of collecting it scientifically so all that exists, remains of it is the video. And it’s a most unusual video. There’s also the video of the strange figure moving off into the night which is on my tape, by the way.

A: Oh it is?

W: Oh yes. It had — Jamie gave me permission to use it.

A: And that’s on the tape you’re talking about? The one we’re offering?

W: Yes, it is. It’s — I said there were some surprise videos on it and, believe me, they are a big surprise. I’m not talking — (“I NO”) I’m not interested in little surprises. (“SIG” or “CIG”)

A: Alright. When we come out of the half hour here, I would like to do what we haven’t done all night and that is take some calls for you. I’m sure that there are plenty of questions that have been generated throughout the evening and maybe you can make your best shot at answering some of them.

W: Sure. Always look forward to it.

A: Anyway, you’re really going to autograph all these tapes, huh?

W: Well if it takes longer than three week — two weeks to get them, it’ll mean that I have a lot of tapes to autograph but yes I absolutely am going to autograph.

A: (small laugh) (“ALRIGHT”) Alright, Whitley, hold on. He really will do that and, Whitley, you want to be sure not autograph — (“YOU KNOW”) video tapes are shrink-wrapped.

W: Well these — I’m going to get the flat boxes to autograph.

A: And so you’re going to autograph the box itself?

W: That’s correct. Yes, the boxes will be autographed.

A: Excellent. Alright. This tape is called “Pure Balance” and you want to order it by that name. “Pure Balance.” Art Bell is calling it pure dynamite because that’s obviously what it is. Twenty-four dollars and ninety cents. Twenty-four ninety. That includes the — you know, the shipping and handling to get it to you. And the number again is (gives number). Footage never ever seen by the American public before that Whitley’s been holding on to. And I think the most dynamic part of it is if you want it, it will lead you toward a way to having a close encounter. My only caution would be, be careful what you wish for. But as well as an opportunity to get — (“YEAH”) you know, this tape, even if you get it and don’t look at it, put it in the corner and wait. I’d do it now. (gives number) We’ll be right back.

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My my, at Waterloo Napoleon did surrender

Oh yeah, and I have met my destiny in quite a similar way

The history book on the shelf

Is constantly repeating itself . . .

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A: . . . And my guest is Whitley Strieber. What an amazing night this has been once again, huh? Anyway, we are going to take calls coming up in a moment. I want to tell you another amazing story and that is what was found here in Nevada at a Wells Fargo bank. They found a whole cache. That’s a good word, isn’t it? Cache? Of twenty-dollar gold pieces. Gold pieces. Now why would that be incredible? Well the quantity was incredible and the quality was unbelievable. When they examined the coins, they found they were still covered with a fine coating of gold dust, typical generally of coins that just have come from the mint. But these didn’t. These came from the mint ninety years ago. Actually they were minted in 1908. Yuh-huh! Here’s the offer. It’s free. If you would like to see some pictures of these coins and information regarding their history, all you’ve got to do is call my sponsor and at no cost with no obligation whatsoever they’ll send them to you. Even the all is free. It’s North American trading and the number is (gives number). That’s (gives number). Free call. Free information. Fascinating topic.

A: (recorded) Are you overweight? Would you like to lose an average eight to ten pounds in the next month? We know that fiber helps sweep fat out of the digestive track like a broom . . .

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A: . . . Whitley Strieber. You’re a real trouper, Whitley.

W: Well I’m something of a night owl. I’ve had too many unusual things happen to me in the night to sleep very soundly so it’s fine. I like it.

A: Alright. Well here comes the audience. First-time caller line, top of the morning. You’re on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.

U: Good morning, gentlemen.

A: Good morning. Where are you?

U: I’m calling from Northern Minnesota.

A: Okay.

U: Let me make this real quick. Last year, pretty close to this time, early December I sent something to you, Mr. Bell and your — through the Internet — and I put the topic “Strieber.” I don’t know if you had gotten it to date. I know you’re a busy man along those lines. I had met both of you in San Diego around 1975 and I had a — I’ll just go along the lines of word of knowledge premonition, so to speak. About two years ago — (“NO”) sitting around late at night about 2:30 in the morning, feeling no pain. Just sitting around, just on an average night, and the strangest thing happened. I had just previously about three weeks before picked up a reel-to-reel, a tape recorder, never ran through it, figured out how it worked and everything like that. (“BUT”) I had gone to various garage sales and picked up a bunch of old eight-track tapes because I figured the tape was about the size that would be close so in patching together all this tape work I had two ten-inch reels, blanked both sides out and had an argument with the girl I was living with at the time as ‘you love this machine more than me’ kind of thing. Well the oddest thing is I finally figured out how the controls worked, the . . . and everything like that, recorded a couple songs and late one night before I had even plugged it in to the back of a quad receiver, I half jokingly, sitting on a couch when she said, (“WILL YOU CC”) “Will you — you going to crash tonight or what?” I said, “Yeah. Give me a minute.” I started to blank a tape out and there’s a little arm that you kick up to kick the motor in drive. And she yelled at me again and I just went off to bed. Well the next morning, she said, you know, “I know you got back up. You got off the couch and I heard you playing with your blankety blank reel-to(-reel).” I said, “No, I never touched it.” (We) argued for about three days. To make a long story short, about three and a half weeks later after I blanked out the rest of the tape, flipped over a ten-inch reel, I came across these three sounds. And in reference to the Internet message that I sent to you —

W: Did you send me —

U: I have no idea where they came from. I thought at first maybe somebody had broke into the house. Nothing was missing. Nothing was awry. It was not hooked up to the phone jacks at all.

A: Well you might be surprised, caller, to know that your story is not unusual and there are many, many people who have recorded things on electromagnetic tape that simply can’t be accounted for. It’s an entire field of study actually which now has extended into the realm of video, of course.

W: Did you send those sounds to me?

A: No, I think he sent them to me, Whitley. And I don’t recall them.

W: Somebody sent me some absolutely extraordinary sounds and I have — (“WE”) somehow or another misplaced the tape and it’s something I have regretted losing for about two or three years.

A: Well, again, I’m going to remind you to stay close to the phone for me and if that’s the case then, give your Email address out and maybe you’ll get another copy.

W: Well they have to send it to my snail mail address which is (gives address). And I must apologize to everyone who tries to send me Email. I strip my messages once a week and it usually — the server fills up in about two or three hours. And I — and then people can’t get through. It’s just overwhelming and I can’t deal with it. It has to come by snail.

A: Okay, I’m having exactly the same problem with Email. I’m — I don’t even know how to deal with it. Anyway, your snail mail is (repeats address). Alright, so send them again, caller, and Whitley will deal with them. So will I. Wild card line, you’re on the air with Whitley Strieber. Hi.

S: Hello. How are you today?

A: Okay, sir.

W: Fine.

A: Where are you?

S: I’m in Seattle, Washington.

A: Seattle, okay.

S: And (“I”) I work for a major U.S. carrier. I’ve been with a carrier for eighteen years.

A: Aircraft carrier?

S: U.S. carrier, yes. Mike. (or “MIKE”) I hesitate to mention the name of the . . .

A: That’s alright. Don’t.

S: Okay. So, 1994, I’m in the evening — received a call on a reservation center from a gentleman. I pulled up an itinerary and we have extensive information about passengers that’s confidential. Had an extensive world itinerary. Global. At that time, we — I took the call and helped him. It was about a thirty minute call involved and it was very extensive, very detailed. At the time, I saw that this gentleman worked for the Department of Defense. And we developed a rapport on the phone. I helped him — cordial. I asked him a question. I don’t know why but I asked him the question, “Can you tell me anything about extraterrestrials?” And he hesitated. It was about a five second pause. Now I know this gentleman. He knows me. He does not know me and I don’t know him. And he hesitates. And then he told me a story. An allegory. He said, “Imagine if you are starting to raise a plant from a seedling. And you watch it and you fertilize it, (“YOU”) water it. You let the sun come in. You protect it and you study it.” And then he stopped. I said. “Is that us watching someone else or is someone else watching and protecting us?” (“OR WHY”) And he said, “I think the latter.” And then I ask him, “Is there any literature that you could recommend?” Now this gentleman works for the Department of Defense. He’s all over the world and he states, “Get the book Communion.”

A: (small laugh)

W: Great.

S: That blew my mind. My hair stood up on the back of my neck.

A: Yeah.

S: And, quite frankly, I’m — I’ve always been a skeptic but I don’t know what happened that night but we connected. He had no reason to tell me that. Now — and my question is can you comment on that? Do you have any contact or has there been any contact with the government and you and your dealings with these situations that you can talk about?

A: Well that — that’s a great story, number one. And number two, it’s a great question. Whitley, has there been any contact between you and any official representative of the government? Either that was apparent to you through a presentation of identification or —

W: Oh sure.

A: “Oh sure” is the answer? Really?

W: Oh it’s been — yeah, there’s been — with more than one. There’s been quite a number of people over the years came up to my cabin to — either to just have the experience of being there or get into contact — try to get into contact. You know, behind the scenes in the government and not even very far behind the scenes but just immediately beneath the surface, there are I think many, many — most (or “MOST”) senators know about (“BIG”) that this is — there’s something in this. And a lot of people in the congress and their staffs as well as the intelligence community so yeah, there’s lots of people. I have — my attitude about this is — and in o(ther) — from other countries as well — (“TH”) if they want to make their names public it’s up to them and — because I respect their confidentiality and I — and they know that. But there have been and there’ve been some people from the U.S. Senate. (“AN”) And from the House in the United States. And a few people from the intelligence community. It has been at times a very complex and difficult thing because there was a period of time when they were investigating — some people in the gover — in the legislative branch were investigating whether or not the intelligence community was withholding information from them about this. And I spent two years being questioned extensively about where I got the information for my book Majestic. And that was hard. It was never unpleasant but it was clear. I mean they did mention that they had subpoena power from time to time. And, yeah, there’s been a lot. I think, though, in my opinion, there is a level of the government that knows a great deal about this but it’s isolated from the part of the government that we see. (“AN”) And it’s hidden so well that not even the people who are overseeing the intelligence community can find it directly. Nor can people like the director of the CIA. They know it’s there but they can’t track it down. Part of the reason is that a lot of the records are kept outside of the government within the defense industry. And a lot of the funding that goes through the black budget into defense industry projects and ends up redirected into this area (“IN”) and it’s invisible to the people who are trying to control it.

A: Alright.

W: That would be my short answer.

A: Alright, no, that’s just fine. I had an interesting guest I’ll tell you about the other night, David Adair. I —

W: Sure, I know David well.

A: You know David well?

W: Sure.

A: He testified in front of congress at closed — thing for Steven Greer and CSETI. And he said the young representatives, congressmen, senators, when they heard this, their mouths kind of dropped open but the older, more seasoned senators acted as though they were hearing something they already knew about.

W: Oh I think that the three senators who know most about this are Senator Exon who’s now retired, Senator Byrd and Senator Moynahan.

A: Um-huh. (“I”)

W: In my opinion.

A: I wouldn’t doubt that for a second. East of the Rockies, you’re on the air with Whitley Strieber. Good morning.

C: Good morning, Art.

A: Hi.

C: Hi. I’m — hi from Chicago. I had a very strange experience and I — first of all, my question is if you can put things into the body, can you take body parts out? And I — I know this sounds strange —

A: Well are you asking can the visitors take things out?

C: Yes. Yes.

W: Okay, before we answer that question, you have to tell us why you asked it.

C: Okay. Well —

W: Great. (Or “GREAT”)

C: — first of all, I’m in my forties and when I was seven or eight years old I had a — it was either a dream or something I saw on TV where I went into the ground. I know this is going to sound strange but I go into the ground and I can’t remember a lot of it except that it was like a lab and there were strange people there. And that’s really all I remember. And about twenty years ago when I had my youngest child, I went in to have a tubal ligation and they used, you know, the laproscope to make a small incision. You’re totally sedated. And when they went in, they found that I had one fallopian tube, one ovary, one ureter and one kidney.

A: Oh my God.

C: And they sent me to a kidney specialist and they have no scientific explanation as to why I just have one kidney because usually the one is diseased or whatever. And I’m wondering if — can, you know, would they — have you ever heard of something like that?

A: Now I surely understand why you asked the question. (“Hh hh”)

W: Yes.

C: And I’m perfectly healthy, by the way. I did not — I’ve never ever had a problem with anything so I just — (“I”) I just — you know, and I — every now and then I have, you know, dreams about what I feel was a dream.

A: Do you want to know what really happened?

C: What?

A: I’m asking you. Do you want to know what really happened? You told me you had this dream or this sense that you were in a laboratory with strange people. Right?

C: Or — exactly.

A: Do you really want to know what happened?

C: Yes. I mean I —

A: There are ways to find out. Whitley?

W: Well there are a number of ways you can — one of the things you can do — (“YOU CAN” [faint]) you can use mediation. You can try hypnosis. We’re working on the possibility of using the biology of the brain to tell us whether or not memories that are stored are real or dreams or false memory. But that’s still a little bit in the future. It’s a struggle. Personally, it’s a great struggle for me or everyone having close encounters to tell the difference between dreams and encounters. And then to remember the encounters it’s really hard. Especially — if you try hypnosis, try it with somebody who’s very objective, who doesn’t have any set beliefs about this. And remember that the first time or two will be the best and then after that maybe it’ll trail off in terms of its freshness and immediacy. But you’ll be able to tell the difference when your imagination starts to take over. (“A”) Tough business to find out what’s going on with this. As far as the disappearing body parts or nonexistent body parts, that’s a very unusual one. It’s not one that I’ve heard of before. It may not be related to this experience at all. It could just be a natural phenomenon.

C: Right.

A: But it’s awfully interesting. So if you do take the trouble to go to regressive hypnosis, I would be most interested in knowing the results.

C: Okay.

A: Alright?

C: Thank you.

A: Thank you very much for the call.

C: Bye bye.

A: That’s a — boy, that’s a strange one.

W: Really is. Yeah. (or “YEAH”)

A: And it’s an interesting question. If they can put things in, I suppose they could sure take things out. And specifically the things she’s missing — well I’ll wait until we get the results. West of the Rockies, you’re on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell. Good morning.

F: Oh good morning, gentlemen. I’m calling from Fresno, California.

W: (Good) morning.

A: KFRE country. Yessir.

F: There you go. Yes, I have two questions for your guest, Mr. Bell.

A: Alright, you’re going to have to speak into your phone good and loud.

F: Okay. I have two questions for your guest, Mr. Bell.

A: Go.

F: Yes. First of all, I — a few years ago, I had a dream where I was starting to float out of my body. I know you guys have heard that before but the unusual thing was that two white hands touched my cervical or neck area. And then I — after that, the dream was over but it just felt like I was in a suspended state and/or something else was trying to make contact with me or had an interest in me or what?

A: Okay then the advice to you is just like we gave to that young lady. Depending on whether you want to know more or not.

F: And also have you gentlemen had experiences or do you have anything on video tape where an object will fly along? I’ve seen these over Fresno a few times — where an object will fly along maybe between forty to sixty miles an hour. It emits a pulsating glow then maybe from time it may emit a giant shower of sparks.

A: Well I don’t know about that specifically but we have reams and reams and reams of video tape of anomalous flying objects.

W: There is some video tape that I have not seen yet that’s just been made in Scotland of an — of objects that are (“LIKE”) whirling groups of lights. But I don’t think there’s any — there are video. There’s also plenty of video of objects that are pulsating. But nothing of anything emitting a shower of sparks that I am aware of.

A: Whitley, did you think really hard before deciding to release this “Pure Balance” tape?

W: Yeah. I made it about a year ago and I was all set to release it. I even announced it at a few places but I then held it back because I wanted to spend some time with it and, you know, just leave it sitting for a while and then look at it again because I spent ten years trying to make my close encounter experience work and be a little bit more coherent. And trying to answer the questions of all the people who are curious about whether or not they could get into contact in any way. And (“YOU KNOW”) I want the thing to be my best shot and I think it is. That’s why I’ve released it.