INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT — TAPE #327, SIDE #2


Q: Mark Russell Bell
J: James Ragan (writer; USC Master of Professional Writing Program director)
L: Jill, public relations assistant
E: Ed Crane (voice on telephone answering machine)
T: Tany Soussana

J: . . . one day I don’t know where it was — a television interview I was giving, I suddenly came up with the answer. I said when I was a child in a family where (“NO”) English was the second language — and we didn’t even know English. We only spoke Slovak until my parents died. I remember being in a lot of fights. I didn’t know why other kids wanted to pick on me because I wanted to be loved like every other child. It bothered me that everybody just wanted to fight and I had to learn how to defend myself and fight — I mean the prejudice was so strong against me. And it was funny — as I began to learn English in the second grade I noticed that the fights were less and less. And as I went on through my adolescence and I was really — I began to see language, the power of communication as a matter of survival. Isn’t that interesting?

Q: Um-huh.

J: Language itself for me, this individual, became a matter of survival. The more I knew, I saw the more fights and the more problems I could get out of with people; in other words, communication. And isn’t it funny that I went to the highest form of communication, poetry, art? And didn’t I go for a Ph.D. in English literature? It really began way back then where I had such a respect for words and language that I gave my life to it. I devoted my whole life to words and language. So I think everybody has those places to go back to and they can pretty much understand why they became what they were. (“UM-HUH”)

Q: You’d be any radio show’s dream guest because you have so much to say.

J: I hope in the poetry it’s there too (“YEAH”) but I think also because I’ve worked in several genres: the plays, the poetry, the (“NO”) films. And to write in these genres means to live a fuller life — to get out there in the world and participate in it so that’s probably why all my —

Q: I’m just looking at this quote that you gave me: “Do not give up on the written word. That is where the imagination sits.” That’s a really good quote. (“YEAH” “WELL”)

J: That’s what I believe. (“I’LL KILL EVERYONE RIGHT NOW”) And language itself is a matter of survival. Power of communication.

Q: And isn’t Hillary Clinton really big on literacy?

J: Oh yes. Yes. (“YEAH”) See, these are things —

Q: She’d be the one to approach, I think, for speaking at —

J: She is. She would be. You’re right. You’re absolutely right. And since I worked in these campaigns and being — and if you did even stress the foreign background, yes, I think that would make a difference to those people.

Q: Oh yes. (“UH-HUH” “[BE]CAUSE THE”) There must be some event where this would be appropriate for.

J: Oh (be)cause—as I said—my family, a large family — we only speak Slovak.

Q: On the pitch letter we could tie in the fact that Gorbachev used this convention for (his first foray into glasnost; used event to introduce ‘openness’) — and then (“SO”) that might give them the idea.

J: Well when you see the Los Angeles Times article, that’s what they said, “Poets want words rather than missiles.”

Q: Uh-huh. (“YOU KNOW”)

J: Because right when I was doing all of this in Moscow, Reagan was meeting Gorbachev, I think, in Iceland. Reykjavik. But I’ll get that to you.

Q: Maybe we can even change the Clintons’ consciousness a little bit.

J: Oh absolutely. No, I like the man a lot. I like this President. It’s a shame what we’ve done to the Presidency itself, (you) know? I’m not even so concerned that . . .

Q: That was a good “you know,” by the way.

J: Huh?

Q: You put in a “you know” after that one. (“AND THAT WAS” “THAT WAS”) Perfect.

J: That’s right right right. Well this Presidency I think — I’m more worried about the office of the Presidency. My own children — I want them to respect that office. What the media has done to this President is just unforgivable and I’m sure he’s guilty like most people have been — (“NO”) their leaders. Every great leader has been guilty of all his —

Q: Well he’s the headline story every day.

J: Yeah. And I feel so badly because this was not a bad — this is not a bad person. He’s my generation. I was a ‘long hair’ in the sixties and he’s fought to bring a lot of the things we believe in. (“WELL”) Anyway — (“YEAH”)

Q: Okay. Well that’s interesting. Okay. Well these are good — there’s a lot here for me to think about and discuss with Tany and try to get it into the news release and in the profile.

J: Alright.

Q: And any pitch letters. Okay so and I’ll also mention to Tany the fact that you are going to send over those more materials and I’ll go over that as well. (“UM”) Do you — (“NOW LOOK”)

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS TRANSCRIBING THIS ON OCT. 27, 1998 AND WENT TO SEE WHAT MY MOTHER WAS WATCHING ON TV IN THE OTHER ROOM. IT WAS THE TELEFILM “CARRIERS” BASED ON A PATRICK LYNCH NOVEL. SHE SAID IT WAS ABOUT AN ARMY COLONEL WHO WAS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE HEAD OF A PHARMACEUTICAL COMEDY — MIGHAEL ADDED THIS WORD I GUESS — COMPANY, MAKING TWO TWIN GIRLS THE HOSTS FOR A VIRUS THAT WILL ENABLE THE COMPANY TO MAKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH A VACCINE. THE PASS WORD WAS PROTEUS. JUDITH LIGHT WAS PLAYING A DOCTOR CONFRONTING THE WICKED COLONEL, TELLING HIM, “YOU HAVE NO MORE DENIABILITY” AND THAT HE WAS “DEEP IN COLLUSION.” THE COLONEL TOLD THE MAJOR ACCOMPANYING HIM TO ARREST THE DOCTOR YET SHE SAID INSTEAD SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GET THE ANTI-SERUM TO THE PUBLIC NOW AND “IF YOU ARREST ME YOU’LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEATHS.” THE COLONEL RAISED HIS GUN AS IF HE WAS GOING TO SHOOT HER AND SHE SAID, “ARE YOU GOING TO KILL ME? ARE YOU GOING TO KILL EVERYONE?” THE MAJOR STOPPED THE COLONEL. AS THE MOVIE ENDED, MY MOTHER COMMENTED, “IT USED TO BE ATOMIC BOMBS WE WORRIED ABOUT. NOW IT’S GERM WARFARE.” I SAID, “THAT TOO.” SHE CONTINUED, “EVERYONE HATES EVERYBODY ELSE.” I TOLD HER SHE WAS SAYING THAT BECAUSE SHE WATCHED TV TALK SHOWS ALL DAY AND SHE SAID, “NO — JEWS AND PALESTINIANS , CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS, BLACKS AND WHITES. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.” I SAID, “AREN’T YOU SICK OF IT?” THE REPLY: “I’M ABOVE ALL OF IT.” I SAID, “ARE YOU REALLY?” THE COMMERCIAL FOR THE FOLLOWING 11 O’CLOCK NEWS SHOWS PROMISED STORIES ON “FLASHLIGHTS EXPOSE GERMS YOU CAN’T SEE” AND THE Y2K THREAT.)

J: Now is there another phone number to get in touch with you?

Q: It’s best just to go ahead and contact me there and then I can call you back.

J: Okay, great. Alright and then I’ll try to get that, as I said, this weekend.

Q: Okay, very good.

J: Alright, Mark.

Q: Okay, thank you. Nice meeting you.

J: It was a pleasure talking with you.

Q: Okay, bye.

J: Alright, bye.

( . . . )

Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So when I spoke to Tany and told her about my interview, she said that I should go ahead and work on the pitch letter for the Variety Clubs Gold Hearts campaign because she’d promised that for them tomorrow even though she told me I’d have the weekend before. So I’ve got to do a huge pitch letter with major ideas all by tomorrow at noon.

( . . . )

Q: But if I do and it does seem like this is a pretty sure thing she will give me a bonus when they sign up as a client so I’ll get like $400 more.

( . . . )

Q: Hello, Wayne Brackett, this is Mark Gordon Russell, TAPS control number 573895-24 and I just wanted (“TO”) to follow-up. I had sent a letter notifying the city of Los Angeles that I had moved in 1996 so I’m no longer in Los Angeles and I have told them that so I obviously don’t owe any tax or anything so if you could just make sure that that’s taken off of the computer I’d appreciate it. If you have any questions, call me at (gives number). I have tried communicating a few times but apparently it’s still in the system that I’m at Clinton Street and I’m no longer there so thank you for all your help. Bye.

( . . . )

Q: Hi, who’s this? (I’m calling the Publicists Guild) Mark Russell. And I have moved now to Santa Monica. You have me down on Clinton Street. (gives address) And do you want my new phone number too? (gives phone number) (“YEAH”) For some reason, I wasn’t in last year’s (“UM”) Publicists Guild Directory even though I am taking a leave of absence. (“OH I SEE”) Because my brother isn’t (a current active member) either but he was listed. Oh, okay. Yeah. Right. Can you still contribute to the Directory? Oh fine. Okay. I think I’ll do that. I did that once before with an interview with Howard Koch and I had a good idea this year. Okay. Yeah, I’ll give Ed a call. Okay, well thank you. Okay, bye.

( . . . )

Q: Of course, Howard would be mad at me if I referred to him without the W. (“IN”) as his middle initial. Not to be confused with that other one.

( . . . )

Q: So I’ll have to call Ed Crane next week sometime about an article for the directory.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: TODAY, OCT. 27, AROUND A YEAR AFTER THE ABOVE CALL, I RECEIVED A CALL FROM MY BROTHER INFORMING ME THAT PARAMOUNT PUBLICIST JOHN RENTSCH CALLED HIM TO SAY THAT THE GUILD HAD ME LISTED ON SOME FORM OF MEMBERSHIP CORRESPONDENCE AS SOMEONE THEY COULDN’T LOCATE. IN THE FOLLOWING, I SOMETIMES REFERRED TO VARIETY CLUBS AS VARIETY ARTS YET HAVE CORRECTED THIS MISTAKE IN THE TRANSCRIPT.)

Q: So as I started thinking about this Variety Clubs International campaign. I’ve been thinking about various ideas. They have these little golden heart pins and the biggest stars in Hollywood every year participate. I’m sure you’ve seen the trailers in theatres probably and they have standees in various theatres. It’s all supposed to go to “disabled, disadvantaged and deserving children throughout this area.” I guess New York. (“BUT THESE”) They sell the pins everywhere as “this area” so, of course, I realize that something is terribly, terribly wrong because obviously if all these big stars really were supporting this there would be no more disadvantaged children. They’d all be advantaged. There shouldn’t be a problem, if you know what I mean. All the biggest stars in Hollywood. So I thought more — (“YOU KNOW”) it’s strange that it’s gold. These little pins. They’re gold. And then I was thinking, “Well you really don’t know where this money goes.” And then I realized — in thinking in terms of what to do for the campaign you could have — well, first you have to say what the gold medal symbolizes. What is this pin? What does it mean? It’s like they never bothered to say really what the pin means as a symbol. It has a picture of a dove and a heart on this one particular one I have. It might have been from last year. But it doesn’t really mean anything. It’s just golden and all the major stars in Hollywood hawk it. So — well what can we do this year? Maybe have a celebrity award? (“TO” “NO”) Increase morale among the celebrities who participate every year. Or you could have — I know! I was thinking (“UH”) we could also have a mascot for Variety Clubs International. And then they could have maybe a Beanie Baby tie-in every year. A new one every year and make money that way. So instead of just the Golden Heart, they’s also have a Golden Idol Baby stuffed animal to sell. And I just thought this is evil. This doesn’t really do what it says because it’s not effective. As far as I know. And then you even have the word evil in Variety Clubs (“SSS”) so I realized this is probably one of God’s tests. It’s bad enough I’m working for Tany now after our marriage in our previous life. But this would truly be — if I were to work on this, I would be damned. So anyway I’m taking all the Variety Clubs back to Tany and I’m going to tell her whatever she does, don’t do it. You’ll be damned for all eternity if you have anything to do with this. You have golden idols, you have idolatry in movie stars, you have taking money to help the disadvantaged and no proof that there is any help going on. And all the big stars in Hollywood are participating. In fact, I was discussing this with Tany over the phone and she even thought a good name for — I was thinking maybe a nickname for the award and she said, “Goldy.” So, anyway, (“WE”) I almost — I’ve just been so crazed. I just assumed that these little jobs because the people seemed to be so nice and are doing interesting things and things that seem to be positive that Mighael wanted me to be doing this. But then I realized that this is probably a test and if I were to work on this campaign I would be damned if I had not realized but, of course, I guess I did realize so thank you for that consciousness, I guess. But it just shows you how tricky it can be because for a while I was just — I didn’t think I’d even consider how damaging this would be to God. How exploitative it would be to God, how exploitative it would be.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I BRING THE MATERIALS TO TANY’S OFFICE ALONG WITH THE PREVIOUS COMPLETED ASSIGNMENTS ON DISK. I AM DISAPPOINTED TO FIND THAT TANY ISN’T THERE AND CONSIDER WAITING WHILE HER ASSISTANT TRANSFERS THE FILES TO THE COMPUTER.)

Q: So let’s see — journal entries — entry. So — well I wish Tany was here so I could explain to her why — just tell her that — can you tell — do you think — just tell her that Mark — have you spoken to her yet since I told you the news?

L: Um-uh.

Q: So she doesn’t know yet that I can’t do this. Well she can — tell her she can call me to discuss it. (“BUT IT’S”) Oh well, I wish she was here. Do you think she’ll be back soon?

L: (reading from computer) Click what program you want to use to open the file.

Q: So you’re going to the disk now? Maybe just put a:/ will do it.

L: Why is it doing this to me right now?

Q: So you can see it’s just very generic and you can just add in whatever is (“NOT”) needed for this event. Where is Tany? Is she at a new client interview?

L: I think so. I’m not totally sure.

Q: Isn’t that silly? (“I MEAN” “SHE’S”) She’s getting all these new clients but if you don’t have a staff to service them, how can you —

L: Well we’re interviewing this week too. We’ve already sent out the — I did the whole job tracking today. Sent out to William Morris, CAA —

Q: So you have some people you called already?

L: Yeah. More than a couple.

Q: Oh that’s good. Actually, I was just thinking — oh well I don’t know. It’s probably best not to —

L: What?

Q: Sometimes when you refer people who you know—especially in the situation—I would hate somebody to come in and service Variety Clubs of the United States. What would I — what would that mean? To get somebody involved this horror?

L: This?

Q: No, Variety Clubs.

L: I don’t know.

Q: See, people don’t realize — (“HOW”) you would this would just be like a normal client, right? And that it wouldn’t have any ramifications on you. On your soul and damnation/salvation and everything. But, see, I know otherwise. Okay, so there’s my disk.

L: Okay, Mark.

Q: So I’ll just leave this here. Do you think you can just tell her what I said?

L: Yeah.

Q: She knows — I just hope she doesn’t because —

L: What do you want me to say as your explanation?

Q: Just that the evil in the name Variety Clubs, the golden idols — I mean Tany is very spiritual. She’s had her own Angelic experiences. Anything —

L: Did she give this to you?

Q: Yeah, just to borrow. (“YOU KNOW” “TO”) To work on the account with. But, look, (“IT’S A GOL”) remember in Egypt (“HOW”) the people got in trouble for worshiping golden idols? I mean this is why Christianity came in, in the first place — was to stop people from worshiping golden idols. (“AND”) Plus, I also think that they worshiped, like, pharaohs. (“NO” “THEY”) Well look at — it’s like celebrities of today. Movie stars. People worship them, wouldn’t you say? They get all the money. (“THEY”) People love them. They read their magazines every month.

L: You’re right.

Q: And shouldn’t that love be going to God? And appreciation and —

L: Yeah.

Q: — helping your fellow man?

L: Yeah.

Q: Instead of —

L: I’ll tell her.

Q: What do you think she’s going to say?

L: She’ll probably cry.

Q: Yeah, list(en) — just tell her (“THAT”) she can call me. I’m home tonight.

L: I’ll have her call you.

Q: Just tell her what’s a (“LITTLE”) few thousand dollars when you have your whole eternal life at stake?

L: Yeah. (“YOU KNOW” “JUST”)

Q: She doesn’t — people don’t realize —

L: Well, I’m going to the gym now. I’ll probably see her down there because she might have gone.

Q: She might have gone to the gym? Ohhhhhh.

( . . . )

Q: So now I’m going to turn on the radio and see what song is on to see if God has forgiven me for the horror I’ve shown Him today for not being more aware before even though I should’ve been. I don’t know what’s wrong with me. You just get so desperate sometimes about money. So I’m going to just put it on FM and I’m going to turn up the sound and if this isn’t a channel I’ll go the nearest channel and see what the song is.

. . . I never felt that I could feel the way I do

But now I want to spend the rest of my life with you

Every day that we are apart I’m sharing this love here in my heart . . .

Q: And I don’t even think this is even one of those romantic channels. I’ll have to wait and see what the song title is.

( . . . )

Q: Well they didn’t identify the song. Why do so many radio stations not tell you (“WHO”) what the song is any more? And they play the same ones over and over again. The same ones.

( . . . )

Q: So I hope Tany doesn’t go ahead and work all night on this account proposal because if she gets the account she’ll be ensconced in Hollywood, which is our underworld (“O[F]”) today. She doesn’t really need to take a trip to the underworld.

( . . . )

Q: So it’s Friday, Halloween 1997. The only thing I had to say to God this morning was, “I need love too.”

( . . . )

E: You’ve reached the offices of Editorial, Inc. At the sound of the tone, please leave your name, number, date and time you called or start a fax. Thank you.

Q: Hello, Ed. This is Mark Russell. Call me when you have a few minutes. Do I have a great feature for the 1998 Directory. In fact, I think I’ll tape record the call for my planned article. I want to follow the documentary, Q&A format of my book Testament that was published in January. (“THE”) The book is a case study as well as a collection of interviews and journal entries. Subjects include aliens, synchronicity, prophecies, psychic abilities, the Oneness of all spirit, Pop culture, Christ consciousness and what is sometimes referred to as the second coming. The article I’m proposing encompasses a publicist thrust into the position of handling public relations for a book he himself transcribed and edited after landing the biggest Client imaginable; all the while experiencing the various hardships shared by anyone who’s undergone a leap in consciousness and tried to share new discoveries with an unbelieving world. How does that sound to you? This is a true story that could only have happened in Los Angeles so call me when you have a few minutes. Bye.

( . . . )

E: You’ve reached the offices of Editorial, Inc. At the sound of the tone, please leave your name, number, date and time you called or start a fax. Thank you.

Q: Oh Ed I forgot to give you my new number, which is (gives number) in Santa Monica. I’m calling Friday around 1:30. Bye bye.

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: I WAS EXPECTING ED TO CALL ME WHEN I HEARD FROM TANY, WHO HADN’T CALLED ME THE DAY BEFORE AS I EXPECTED. I DIDN’T EXPECT TO HEAR FROM HER ON A HALLOWEEN FRIDAY.)

T: Mark?

Q: Yeah?

T: Hi . . .

Q: Tany, it’s much, much worse. In fact —

T: Oh my God, what?

Q: — it’s much worse than you think it is with this (“WITH THIS”) — for you. Whatever you do, do not handle this account.

T: What are you talking about?

Q: The Variety Clubs account. See, if you had read all my book, you would be at a better spiritual advantage to deal with this.

T: Uh-huh. Tell me what it is. I mean what — just give me the . . .

Q: Okay. Well you saw the golden pin.

T: The golden pin — yes?

Q: Okay, you saw the golden pin. Of course, every year they get the top celebrities in Hollywood to raise money for the disadvantaged. As far as you know, you don’t have any proof that any of that money ever goes to any of the disadvantaged — (“OR WHAT”) what percentage of that ever is spent.

T: Hmm.

Q: You know? Anyway, well you know. I’ve had a lot of different spiritual tests in my life — we all do, everyday, (“HAVE”) have various spiritual tests. But this one seems to be — (“YOU KNOW UM AN”) I just realized how truly evil it probably is.

T: Oh it probably is. Okay so you — you’re not sure?

Q: Well it has — (“THE”) word evil is even in the name Variety Clubs.

T: Oh it is? (“UM-HUH”)

Q: Well if you put — okay golden idols are evil.

T: Mm.

Q: People idolizing celebrities is evil. How much evil is here — (“WELL”) since they get the top stars in Hollywood every year to raise money, this has got to be one of the most evil things I’ve ever encountered.

T: Huh. (“SO”)

Q: I mean I realized — (“I MEAN”) because, you know, I’m very psychic —

T: Yeah.

Q: I realized, (“YYY”) you know, at first I was just — (“I — I JUST”)

T: I saw Maria Papapetros yesterday, by the way.

Q: Oh you did?

T: In — (“CRE[DIBLE]”) you weren’t kidding. You were not kidding. (“UM-HUH”) She’s incredible.

Q: Did she warn you about anything?

T: No. She warned me about you — no, I’m kidding. I’m kidding.

Q: No, I know. (“SO”) Did she mention me?

T: Yes. Because she asked me how did I come to her and I said to her the wonderful Mark Russell. And she goes, “Ohhh yes. Mark Russell.” Like that.

Q: She doesn’t probably remember me.

T: Oh really?

Q: Well I mean she might. (“I MEAN”) I worked with her way back on “The Butcher’s Wife” and so we met a few times back then. We don’t really have — (“A LOT” “YOU KNOW”) we have only seen each a few times, though.

T: Have you ever been read by her?

Q: Yes. (“UM-HUH”)

T: She’s phenomenal.

Q: Oh she is phenomenal.

T: Um-huh.

Q: But still people have to interpret these things and you know what I like about her? She does say that there is no one definite scenario. There are always different —

T: Yeah, she’s pretty straight-forward with you.

Q Yeah, I mean there are always different (“ALT”) alternatives in each of our futures and sometimes the strongest impression is the one that’s most likely based on circumstances as they usually are.

T: Absolutely.

Q: But (“WELL”) the funny thing is, see, if you (“RR”) read all my book, we could even discuss the Edgar Cayce channelings because I told you —

T: Mm.

Q: Basically, we were married in a previous life.

T: Who me?

Q: I told you about it before. In Egypt.

T: You’re talking about me and you?

Q: Yes.

T: (gasps) Mark?

Q: I told you about it before.

T: I know. I’m just teasing. (“YEAH NOW”)

Q: So —

T: I love to tease you, you know that.

Q: No, I know so I’m just saying the patterns — (“OF”) people’s lives in different incarnations reach the same parallels. And so, of course, a major mistake in that lifetime — and this is all written in Edgar Cayce’s channelings —

T: Hm.

Q: — was the fact that we got married.

T: Hm.

Q: I know I know. (“SO IN A WAY”)

T: Amazing.

Q: So in a way, we’re working together which is sort of like a marriage.

T: Yeah, is it amazing? And we are working together. You’re working for me. ()

Q: Exactly. It’s sort of like a marriage but I realized —

T: Just think if we worked together before, I might have been cooking for you or something. (“YOU KNOW”)

Q: Well who knows?

T: Poisoning your brew. (“SO”)

Q: What happened basically is — because I had been a priest in Egypt —

T: Wow.

Q: — and basically my ministry had been destroyed by the fact that I had married someone. (“AND”) Apparently, the forces that be at that time had arranged for you to be my wife.

T: Wow.

Q: And I thought it — (“THEY”) they said it was like a gift of God and this was the (“THE HU”) human equivalent to (“MY”) be my gift from God or something.

T: Hm.

Q: And I fell for it.

T: Hm.

Q: So in a way if you look at this whole scenario with Variety Clubs. It’s the same thing happening again with the corrupt society forces of the time (“YEAH”) trying to get me to do their bidding once more. But, luckily, I was able to realize what (“[JU]ST HOW”] how dreadful this was.

T: Wow.

Q: Much more than just — (“YOU KNOW”) and it’s so bizarre. (“IT’S JUST”) I mean I’m just so glad I realized what was going on. What happened is when I — when you first told me about it, I didn’t really look at the material. I thought it was Variety — you know, the newspaper Variety.

T: Mm.

Q: You know, I — (“I”) you know, I thought it was something with that. I didn’t realize it was Variety Arts, which is something that I am aware of. And then the golden idol — I mean it’s just so obvious.

T: Mm. (“OKAY” “I KNOW”)

Q: I know — in fact, I was upset. (“BEC” “YOU KNOW” “CAUSE — CAUSE” ) It’s just so —

T: And you were so perfect for doing this campaign too.

Q: Well no but it’s — I’m just telling you, Tany. Whatever you do, don’t — it’s not worth it.

T: Mm.

Q: Because, you know, you’re very spiritual. You’ve had your Angelic messages over the years.

T: You think?

Q: Oh you’ve talked about that before.

T: Well in my movie.

Q: Right. But I’m just saying —

T: Have you read my movie?

Q: No. (“WELL”)

T: It’s incredible. It’s all about angels.

Q: No, but you talked about, like, the license — the bumper (stickers), license plate

holders and what have you.

T: Oh yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. (“BUT”) God, you remember those conversations?

Q: Oh of course.

T: God, I remember. I think the first time we actually sat down — it was over in Beverly Hills at El Torritos.

Q: Right, well —

T: Wasn’t it?

Q: Once before then too.

T: God, you remember — Cheesecake?

Q: Well — (“I THINK”) yeah, and plus we went to — what was that place? The Spielberg — Dive! (“DIE”) Talk about underworld symbolism.

T: Oh my God. (“BUT ANYWAY”)

Q: Anyway, no, I’m just saying — you believe in the basic truths about how the people who have all the money are going to hell and all that.

T: Oh don’t say that.

Q: Oh it’s true. People who don’t share their money with the less fortunate.

T: Mm. (“NOW”)

Q: I mean you believe that, don’t you?

T: Yeah, well I’m sharing.

Q: You are? Right.

T: Of course. I’m creating a company and I’m, you know —

Q: Right, exactly —

T: I’m hiring help. (“AND”)

Q: That’s what I’m saying. A lot of the people (“THAT — THAT”) that I’ve worked with are very “spiritual” people — “wonderful,” ” wonderful people.” That’s why I wasn’t even questioning that part of it until this one came along.

T: I see.

Q: And this was like the major nightmare of all time.

T: Mm. But anyway, sweetie, no, I understand and I hear you loud and clear. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating when Jill told me you couldn’t do the Variety campaign because of evil reasons. But now I understand. I wasn’t hallucinating.

Q: Right. (“WHAT”) Well, plus, (“YOU KNOW”) you’d — (“UM”) for example — I mean I guess your name back then was — well one of the various names was Inanna, which is sort of close to Tany and —

T: Whose name?

Q: Your name in — one of the names given to the Egypt character. For example, my name — there’s been several different names. There’s been Bel-Marduk, Amun-Ra and Ra.

T: Hm.

Q: And then one of the names — because different cultures have different names based upon their own — they add their own names to different myths and what-have-you.

T: Yeah. Amazing.

Q: So one of them is Inanna.

T: Mm.

Q: And so God only —

T: And what about that name?

Q: Well that is the name of the person that you were — at least one of the names.

T: How did you figure that one out?

Q: Well isn’t it very similar to Tany.

T: It is but how did you figure that out? (“BECAUSE”)

Q: She was married to what’s his — she was married to Ra. Or Bel-Marduk. I can’t even remember which name is which. (“BECAUSE THERE’S”) Each different culture has a different myth based upon the story. (“UH-HUH”)

T: And how did you figure this out again?

Q: Through reading.

T: Oh. Okay.

Q: Well — and from that (“EDGAR”) Edgar Cayce’s channeling too.

T: Mm.

Q: Bqt in any case the reason — you have to think (“YEAH”) in the terms of the kind of tests we’re given by God is based upon our actions both in this lifetime, previous lifetimes and future lifetimes.

T: Yes.

Q: And, by the way, Inanna has channeled a book recently and I don’t think God’s too happy with that.

T: Mm.

Q: So I mean you just (“NE”) never know — I’m just saying, sure, the money would be lucrative for you but it’s not worth being damned or having a trip to the underworld because Hollywood in this day and age is the underworld.

T: Yeah.

Q: Don’t you agree? You agree with that at least.

T: Well I mean (“YOU KNOW”) I’m not one to agree or to disagree. (“RIGHT”) But, anyway, sweetie, I’ve got to get going to a meeting.

Q: One question. Did you ever see the movie — what was that? This one — because you know how important movies are. Okay — “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre”?

T: Oh Jeese. Um-huh.

Q: You never saw that?

T: Mm.

Q: What?

T: No. (“NO OKAY”)

Q: Well, anyway — (“SOMETHING”) if you ever have a chance to see that movie, it’s worthwhile because there’s this, like, meat hook scene that will really —

T: Jeese.

Q: It might even inspire some memories. But I’m just saying —

T: Oh God. Anyway, sweetie —

Q: Okay.

T: Okay. So, anyway, I will talk to you later.

Q: Okay, bye.

T: Bye.

( . . . )

Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So I’m going to the gym. I’m late. I know that Tany thinks I’m out of my mind. Probably everyone thinks I’m out of my mind. People think that God’s out of His mind. People thought that Jesus was out of his mind. I don’t think God has a quota for the amount —

(TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: ON OCT. 28, 1998, I CALLED MY BROTHER AND ASKED HIM IF HE KNEW WHETHER OR NOT VARIETY CLUBS INTERNATIONAL HAD BECOME A CLIENT FOR TANY. HE TOLD ME THAT THIS THAT COME TO PASS AND THAT HE HELPED WITH HER CAMPAIGN BY PROVIDING COMPLIMENTARY GOLDEN HEART PINS TO ALL OF THE ATTENDEES OF THIS YEARS GOLDEN GLOBES CEREMONY.)