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(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AS MR. KABC HAD REQUESTED FOLLOWING MY PREVIOUS CALL, I TELEPHONED HIM ON JULY 26, 2002 AFTER RECEIVING THE DECISION CONCERNING MY APPEAL OF THE EMPLOYMENT DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT DETERMINATION THAT I HAD TURNED DOWN SUITABLE WORK. I CALLED A FEW MINUTES AFTER THE SHOW STARTED, STYMIED AT FIRST BECAUSE WHEN HE FIRST SAID THE CALL-IN NUMBER I TRIED DIALING IT AS A LOCAL NUMBER AS YOU CAN WITH KFI AND THIS RESULTED IN A WRONG NUMBER. WHEN HE REPEATED THE NUMBER, I CALLED AND, UNLIKE PREVIOUS TIMES WHEN I'VE CALLED THIS SHOW, HE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY ANSWERED THE CALL. ALSO, IN THESE MINUTES, THE TAPE IN MY MICROCASSETTE RECORDER JAMMED SO I LEFT IT OFF AND USED THE TWO TAPES OF THE BROADCAST MADE ON MY RADIO CASSETTE RECORDER TO TRANSCRIBE MY CALL.)
M: . . . (gives number) your toll-free number to dial if you'd like to take part in "Ask Mr.
KABC."
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And why (X) does rap music make me scared?
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Why are these hairs inside my nose?
Is a cornea a gem?
What makes the (X) clock spring twelve a.m.?
Ask Mr. KABC.
KABC he'll answer humbly at our mystery.
Mr. KABC.
Mr. KABC. (X)
He knows the where, why, when and what will be.
M: Eight minutes (X) after ten o'clock on Talk Radio 790 KABC. You found Mr. KABC conveniently located inside your radio. As I am every weeknight from 10 p.m. (X) til 1 a.m. Please make more than (X) just a mental note that (X) you listen. (X) And we'll have the three quiz questions next hour: 11:30, our half-way point. Find the answers right after the 11:30 news and, of course, next hour Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory, the director of the Griffith Observatory. The good Dr. Krupp, (X) as we like to refer to him, will be here to answer your basic questions about astronomy. There has been a lot of nonsense. I'm hearing (X X) a lot of Chicken Littles. A lot of people think the (X) sky is falling and we'll help you separate fact from fiction (X) next hour with Dr. Krupp. And and what else do I need to tell you? I'll take your phone calls now. (gives number) Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
1: Hi, I think you're talking to me? (X)
M: I am.
1: Hi. I had a question for you. I guess that's why it's called "Ask Mr. KABC."
M: That's exactly right, sir.
1: Do you have to be a judge I mean do you have to be a lawyer to be a judge?
M: No.
1: Okay.
M: No. (X) But most are. And most but there are some places where judges are elected and the re(X)quirement to have gone to law school is not a requirement. (X X)
1: Thank you very much. (X)
M: Okay.
1: Bye.
M: Thanks for your call. Appreciate it. Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC.
Q: Hello, Mr. KABC?
M: Yeah I should say much less not only do you not have to be a lawyer, you don't even have to have gone to law school. But appointed judges (X) usually like especially (X) at the federal level they're all at(X)torneys and have almost (X) uniformly served (X) on lower courts and therefore, (X) you know, when you go through the vetting (X) process (X) through Congress after the President appoints you, (X) almost always here the first thing they want to know is (X) is your legal background. (X) And that is a reason why some people because because their legal background is questionable, that is a reason why (X) Congress will sometimes go after somebody for not being (X X) qualified to serve on a federal bench. Alright, you're on the air. Hello.
Q: Hi, Mr. KABC.
M: Hi. (X) Yes, sir.
Q: I also want to (X) I'm following up my (X) appeal with the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board ("WHICH") happened on Wednesday my hearing. And so the department determination (X) was "reversed (X) within the meaning of section 1257B"
M: Alright, we've got to remind (X) people what your
Q: Okay.
M: story was. You called me a few weeks ago and (X) told me a story about
Q: I had a conscientious ob(X)jection. I mean (X) I didn't know that that w(as) that was the term at the time.
M: You had been unemployed and you went (X X) to the Unemployment Development office to get your unemployment check and
Q: Well they mail it but
M: Okay. And you were offered (X) a j(ob) a temporary job (X) with a military subcontractor, a defense contractor.
Q: Right. (X)
M: And you said, "I have (X) on moral grounds, I refuse to work for a military subcontractor."
Q: Right. A(nd)
M: A(nd) and go ahead.
Q: Yeah, at the time ("TH") they basically (X) on the form, ("YOU" X) if you turn down work you have to indicate (X) that and then they (X) call you and interview you.
M: Uh-huh.
Q: So (X) I explained my position and I didn't really ("I") wasn't really knowledge(X)able about (X) the (X) guidelines and what-have-you. (X)
M: Right. ("SO")
Q: When I called you, (X) you (X) my thoughts at the time were that I wouldn't change my position based on what arguments ("WOULD" X) would work, (X) yet I didn't realize that the judge himself doesn't really have the (X) guidelines memorized. (X) And in my case, (X) the exact same position had been dealt with by the Supreme Court. And I did find it at the website.
M: Okay. And so you prevailed.
Q: Right. (X X "HE") He asked me at one point he said to me he said, (X) "Do you belong (X) to a certain (X) spiritual group?" (X) And so I was able to say that (X) there was a Supreme (X) Court case I think it was Frazee V. Illinois Department of (X) Employment (X) and the convictions of those with religious would not (X) if they (X) weren't members of an established sect, ("THEY") they still could have very definite beliefs.
M: Uh-huh. (X)
Q: So I don't know I don't think he was familiar with that at the (X) time but he did ask for that (X) page, which I had.
M: Okay. Yeah, that's right. You did the right thing. You (X) cited him the law and so (X) you prevailed and you're continuing to receive unem(X)ployment and I assume other job offers.
Q: Right. And that's sort of a (X) quandary there. But what I thought was interesting
M: Why is that a quandary?
Q: Well I'll go into that (X) in a moment. But what I thought was interesting when I called you is that you were on the whole mind-set of what other (X) cases there had been (X) because I was on a whole different mind-set but you were exactly right. ("SO") You were sort of psychic, (X) sort of a (X) you were sort of a channel of blessings for me.
M: Well no, it's not not a psychic. I just understand how government works and government works, especially in cases like that, they need case law. They need something to say, "I can do this because someone else did this before." There has to be a (X) precedent set and I (X) I assumed it's not a unique (X) situation that someone would refuse a job for (X) for instance, if you're a Catholic and you're asked to go work in an abortion clinic. I mean it's just it's the your it's a moral opposition and you would say, "No, I'm not going to do that." And ("THERE") there's got to be some protection (X) for people who (X) who refuse work based on a moral objection. And I knew if you did the legwork, you'd find it.
Q: Right. (X) So, anyway, so they had (X) penalized me with (X) five weeks (X) without benefits. (X) During that (X) time I did work (X) a couple temp assignments (X) so it doesn't really change anything. (X) I just wanted to find out what the ruling would be because
M: Right.
Q: ("OF COURSE I'LL") I'm sure this position will come up again.
M: I'll bet this is a good education, a good learning experience for you too: how to look up stuff and (X) how to find
Q: Okay but help me today today my (X) my agency called me. (X) And she said that she had a temp position which (X) could become a temp-to-perm job. ("AND") It was for a perfume (X) company, which I think is very (X) very frivolous. I mean I (X) I think most perfume (X) just stinks. I mean it gives me a headache.
M: (laughs)
Q: What? (X "BB") I mean it's
M: Yeah. You don't really want to work is what it comes down to.
Q: Well no, it isn't that. I mean she knows
M: Alright.
Q: she knows my rule (X) about non-shareholder companies.
M: Oh (X) oh jeeze.
Q: But I mean this is (X) because, you know, I do have some (X) different potentials. (X)
M: Uh-huh.
Q: For example, I had tested with (X) the School Board and I (X) did very high on their (X) grammar test which they make you (X) take. (X)
M: Uh-huh.
Q: So that might work out (X) in you know, come the fall.
M: Right.
Q: But
M: You don't want to work for a perfume company because you find perfume morally objectionable?
Q: No, well I don't mind (X) as long as it's a non-(X)shareholder (X) company and it's not (X) permanent. I mean she (X) said it (X) could become temp-to-perm and, you know, that ("I'M") you know when I go to the interview . . .
M: What's wrong with shareholder companies? I mean you know, most (X) I bet the (X) car that you drive was built by a shareholder company.
Q: Well ("F") you're probably right . . . (X)
M: Don't you have a moral objection to (X) driving a (X) car that was built by (X "O") again, I, this is curious to me. Do you own a mutual fund or any stock? (X)
Q: No.
M: You don't own any stock? Any company?
Q: No. I had once (X) upon a (X) time.
M: Uh-huh. (X)
Q: And I mean, in (X) fact, it (X) upsets me that I even have a bank I do have a Visa card.
M: (small laugh)
Q: But if you really look at
M: You know Visa's owned by shareholders. (X)
Q: I know. But if you look at our society, you really (X) do need (X) these things (X) just to get by day-to-day and (X)
M: Well that's not a bad thing.
Q: Well ("I") no, I know. I understand it and I do think there is trouble ahead for the banks but
M: Based on what?
Q: Well based on everything that's been happening.
M: What do you mean? What 'everything has been happening' makes you think the banks are in trouble?
Q: Well I don't know. You hear a lot of rumors especially if you listen to talk radio, you hear a lot of
M: Well you hear a lot of kooky things being said.
Q: Well look how much money Citibank
M: "The sky is falling." But that doesn't mean it is.
Q: Well look how (X) much money Citibank (X) lost in Argen(X)tina alone. (X)
M: And Bank of America lost billions of dollars in Mexico. (X) So what? I mean it's that's the (X) companies banks (X) take risks. Sometimes those risks are to the benefit, some to the detriment of the company. Overall, they (X) they assess those risks (X) and they assign value to it. (X)
Q: Well what I (X) think (X) we're seeing
M: If every investment (X) paid off, then it's not an investment, it's a (X) it's government. I mean I how often does it you know, you'd be an (X) alchemist if you could (X) turn everything to gold.
Q: That's right but (X) what I ("I") most people don't understand that (X) spiritual awareness is the real gold and not
M: Uh-huh. (Or "UH-HUH") Alright well
Q: ("THE ME[T]") the metal.
M: I not in America.
Q: Well I and that's (X) the (X) problem. And that's why we have all . . .
M: Well no, it's not a problem. It's how we all (X) put food on our (X) tables. It's not (X) you know you can (X) pray for food or you can go out and go out and grow it. (X) Personally, I think you're more likely to have food on your table if you go out and grow it than praying for it.
Q: Have you ever thought about every government becoming an oligarchy (X) without (X) spiritual awareness? (X) I mean the differences (X) between (X) communism, let's say, (X) and (X) capitalism really aren't that (X) significant when you get down to it because . . .
M: No, they are significantly different.
Q: Yes, (X) but the (X) people in
M: In terms of economic systems, they're significantly different.
Q: Yes, (X) but (X) the people who are in control and running (X) things do get ("YOU KNOW") they have (X) they're not treated like everyone (X) else. (X) And I think that, you know, with true spiritual awareness, that wouldn't be the case.
M: Well isn't that the reason why people go out and make money? So that they don't have to be treated like everybody else? I mean I want to be treated better than everybody else. That's why I work really hard.
Q: Well yes but I mean I don't think it's a sin (X) to eat (X) but I do think as I I might have mentioned this before
M: Is it a sin to drive (X) a Mercedes? (X)
Q: Well (X "WELL IT'S A") I think I think so because you're spending extra (X) money that could go to people who are starving to death.
M: Well wait a minute. Wait a minute. What about the people who built the Mercedes? Don't you think without Mercedes they might be the ones starving? (X) I mean the idea that when you buy a Mercedes it only goes to rich people is not true. (X) People who build Mercedes automobiles (X) it happens to be that they're in Smyrna, Georgia (X) that we that there's a Mercedes Benz plant and, you know, those people without the (X) Mercedes Benz plant (X) were either unemployed or underemployed or worked for companies didn't pay as well. It's (X) not it's not, you know, German
Q: Well there
M: aristocracy building Mercedes.
Q: Well there's but there's many, many it's a it's a very, very big dilemma at the (X) moment because
M: There's no dilemma at all.
Q: There's different yes, but ("THERE") there are (X) different (X) alternative sources of energy other than gasoline.
M: Well that's fine but that's not the question I asked you. I didn't ask you whether or not there is a future in (X) hydrogen-powered automobiles. I said, "Is it a sin to buy a Mercedes?" And you said, "Well, you know, that money
Q: I think it is.
M: That money could be going to something else." Well every (X) dollar that's spent buying a Mercedes was spent to employ someone who either employed someone or spent that money somewhere where other people employed people.
Q: Well you were asking
M: That's how our economy goes around. It's, you know, this is the same argument and it sort of brings us to Dr. Krupp who's coming on after the news at eleven. There was a question that was asked of James (he meant Daniel) Goldin, the guy that runs NASA or used to run NASAhe recently resigned(X) and he said, "Do you think (X) that the billions of dollars that are spent on space would be better spent here on Earth?" And he said, "We've never spent a dollar in space. (X) Every dollar that's been spent by the government for NASA projects has been spent on Earth." (X) Every you know that they hired engineers and metal workers and all the other people that are involved in (X) putting a (X) putting a rocket into space. (X) All that money goes back on Earth. ("DIDN'T") It didn't (X) evaporate into space.
Q: Well I've I've sent E(mail)
M: And those people had families and they put food on their tables and they hired (X) and the, you know, the supermarket that provided them with the food that they could buy; (X) provided jobs for farmers who grew the food who, you know I mean that's how the world goes around. It's not it's not (X) a fixed system where, you know, only the rich keep the rich richer.
Q: Well I know. That's why it's a very, very complex (X) there are many different inter-related (X) circumstances. And I think God does do (X) a good job (X) in doing the best He can (X) with what He has to work with, providing for as many people as He can under these circumstances. But (X) under the (X) capitalistic (X) framework, (X) you do have a lot of this competition ("THAT YOU") that you don't really need to have. (X)
M: What?
Q: The comp(etition) you know, all these (X) different (X) car companies and what-have-you (X) doing all the
M: You think we should have only one car company?
Q: Well doesn't that that would be the most (X) efficient.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I NEVER MADE IT CLEAR THAT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WERE THE BASIS OF MANY OF MY STATEMENTS. SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ARE EXPLORED IN TAPE #208, SIDE #2.)
M: No, that would be the least efficient. The most efficient is when (X) car companies compete to drive prices down to keep more people employed (X) and to keep more people having the ability to buy less expensive cars. If there were only one car company, cars would be more expensive, not less expensive. (X) More money would be wasted in a big company than in lots of little companies.
Q: Well that's still (X "TH" X) you're still looking at (it) on a (X) capitalistic (X) setting. I'm looking (X)
M: Well that's the world we live in.
Q: Well our world does seem to be going (X) toward a one world government.
M: It does?
Q: And once (X) yeah, oh definitely.
M: Oh. Well where is the one world
Q: With all the (X) all the different corporations merging.
M: Where is the one world (X) where is the one world government going to be headquartered? I'd like to know.
Q: Well some people already think it's with, you know, the billionaires like the Rocke(X)fellers and the Roths(X)childs (X) and (X) I mean there's a lot of people who think that they control (X) the government and the military (X) now.
M: Well there's a lot of people that have all kinds of kooky beliefs about the Bilderbergers and the Council on Foreign Relations and the (X) Trilateral Commission. ("BUT") Guess what? It's not true. (X) I mean those organizations exist and yes, they may be populated by wealthy people but (X) but are they pulling the strings? Are they giving George Bush his marching orders? Do they tell Saddam Hussein (X) what price to sell oil for on the world market? Come on.
Q: I've heard many people comment that it looks as if George is just reciting what he hears in his earphone during some of his conferences.
M: And you think who's who's speaking to (X) him in his ear?
Q: Well I mean he has aides and what-have-you. (X)
M: And they're told to do well I mean (X) if that's the case do you think that the previous President had the same people talking to him in his ear? Did
Q: Oh come on
M: Did Bill Clinton and George Bush did they both have the same guys speaking in their ears. ("NN")
Q: Well they have different people but . . .
M: Different people but representing the same interests, the same Rockefellers and the same Rothschilds?
Q: Well they do have a lot of media control (X) and when you look at things like the Monica Lewinsky affair, I mean I never did buy that. I mean she did have connections (X) with that whole
M: What? (X)
Q: Oh yeah. No, there are some people who think that she was an operative. (X)
M: Of whose? ("OF")
Q: What do you mean? Of she was an agent.
M: Wh(o) (or "WH[O]") an agent of what? (X) The CIA? The Trilateral Commission? Who was she an agent of? By the way, you know this is (X) laughable? (X) People who know who knew Monica Lewinsky
Q: Well see
M: here in Los Angeles and know her father as a doctor, the idea that she was an agent well if she was an agent, she was a pretty poor choice.
Q: She might not even have been aware of it but at the time there was the whole Clinton Hit List going around
M: She was an unwitting agent.
Q: the Internet and rather than take, you know, attention from that, ("THEY") they really made you concentrate on this whole Monica Lewinsky business.
M: Alright. Alright, sir. Well I'm I so you do or do not have a job? That's the
bottom line. (X)
Q: Well I'm unemployed at the moment.
M: Uh-huh. (small laugh)
Q: And we'll see what happens. (X)
M: Alright. So what I mean ultimately you'd like to work for what? A candle store that's owned by, you know, a mom and pop operation? I mean would that not be morally objectionable to you?
Q: Well I found some of the non-profits are pretty corporate so I'm looking at the education field.
M: Non-profits are pretty corporate. So you mean like working for the Sierra Club, that's too corporate for you?
Q: No, I would love to work for the (X) Sierra (X) Club.
M: Oh have you tried?
Q: And if there are any (X) cover-ups, I'll be glad to expose them.
M: Have you (small laugh) have you tried to get a job at the Sierra Club? (X)
Q: I don't know if there's anything in the area. I mean the job openings that have come along, I have applied to.
M: Uh-huh. (X)
Q: And sometimes you don't even know what you're (X) applying for because the job listing doesn't really say what the name of the non-profit is and so you wait to get the return phone call.
M: Right. Would you work for like the Lung Association or the (X) the Cancer Society? Would you work for them?
Q: Well I think chemotherapy is a joke.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: A GOOD WEBSITE OFFERING AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROBLEMS WITH RADIATION AND CHEMOTHERAPY IS http://www.drday.com.)
M: (small laugh) Alright, sir. I appreciate your call. Good luck on getting that job.
Q: Okay. Thank you.
M: Alright. Thanks. Bye-bye. 10:25 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. It's Mr. KABC with more of your phone calls right after we check the latest traffic.
R: (small laugh) I don't know if I want to do traffic because, you know, you've got all those cars and they pollute and
M: Yeah, well it's not that
R: they're run by these big capitalists.
M: Yeah. It's the you know, it's the Rockefellers.
R: Hey, you know, you must've smiled when he said that he did real well on the LAUSD test.
M: (laughs)
R: Because I'm thinking he's perfect. (X)
M: Well he seems like a very literate guy. He's just (X) got a lot
R: Oh yeah.
M: of conspiracies going on in his head that
R: Well LAUSD or Berkeley I think (X) would be the perfect places for him, where he could
M: Well, you know, Berkeley's too corporate. I don't know if you know that.
R: (laughs)
M: They're run Berkeley that's like you know who runs them.
R: Oh man. (X) Alright. (X) Traffic-wise, KABC traffic alert in Palms for the 10 eastbound past Robertson . . . On the KABC (X) traffic watch, I'm Rob Marinko, Talk Radio 790 KABC. (commercials)
A: 790 KABC.
M: With Mr. KABC. Your phone calls til 1 a.m. (X) At (gives number) and we'll get to more of your phone calls right after we check the latest news with local news first at 10:30, Rob Marinko in the KABC News Center.
R: Thank you, Mr. K. Dozens of demonstrators protested today outside one of the many cash-strapped L.A. County health (X) clinics that may soon have to close. (X) Dr. Joseph (X) Allevato works at the Bell Gardens Health Center. He says closing the clinics (X) will not save the county any money.
J: Hospitalizations and more expensive treatments will be needed (X) eventually. And I think this will end up costing more to the county than it does now. Keeping people healthy and keeping people out of the hospital (X) saves (X) the (X) system money. (X)
R: Allevato says, "What will suffer is (X) people's health." (X) A wildfire has now burned more than 58,000 acres in and around the Sequoia National Forest. (X) But a U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman says (X) firefighters have now managed to keep the flames (X) from reaching the ancient giant Sequoia groves. They've been working at that for a couple of days. (X) The McNally fire is about ten percent contained. Most major airlines appear to be reducing their fares, especially for the holidays in an effort to jumpstart sales this fall. (X) Travel expert Tom Parsons of (X) bestfares.com says this is the earliest he's seen fare specials for Thanksgiving, (X) Christmas and New Year's travel. (X X) KABC news time 10:31. KABC 7 forecast . . . On the KABC traffic watch . . . Local and national headlines every 30 minutes. When news breaks out, we'll break in. (X) I'm Rob Marinko (X) on Talk Radio 790 KABC. The more you listen, the more you know. (promos and commercials)
A: Talk Radio 790 KABC.
M: With Mr. KABC and your phone calls til 1 a.m. (gives number) Three quiz questions next hour (X) along with the good Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory, the director there, will answer your questions about basic astronomy. And a lot of stuff's been happening lately and (X) he'll help you make sense of it. That's in the next (X) hour. And let's continue with your phone calls. Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening. (X)
3: Mr. KABC
M: Yes, sir.
3: have you that previous caller reminded me of the disgruntled truck driver. Have you heard from him recently?
M: Yes. Ken from Long Beach. The we call (X) him 'the belly-aching truck driver.' Yeah. (X) I haven't heard from him in a couple weeks, though. (X) You know, Doug McIntyre also makes reference to him (X) frequently because we both find him equally (X) amusing. And I don't know if he's (X) called Doug's show but he has not called mine in I think it's probably been a month.
3: That's a shame.
M: Yeah. (laughs)
3: Guy's a
M: Why is it a shame? He always I told him the last time he called. I said, "You know what, unless you can start singing a new (X) song, we don't want to hear it. We just don't."
3: Ri(ght), It's perversely entertaining. (X)
M: Well for a couple minutes it is and then you start to get frustrated when you realize we've had this conversation before and it hasn't moved one inch.
3: No, you realize it. (X) He doesn't.
M: That's true. (X)
3: You know, I was while listening to this other fellow and God bless him but, you know, he wants to go to work for the Sierra Club. (X)
M: Well even the Sierra Club might be a little too corporate for him.
3: Well it's a little too and also it's a major polluter because I'm familiar with the printing industry and they publish (X) Sierra Magazine, which is a Web-(X)printed four-color printing
M: Now isn't that done on recycled paper, though? ("WW")
3: Well only twenty-five percent of it can be recycled content, otherwise you wind up
M: Oh, it's consumer waste yeah.
3: with nothing. But (or "BUT") and their (X) CAL-OSHA has the most severe restriction I mean I just am astonished they don't make the (X) connection ("YOU KNOW" "WI") in our e(X)conomy. And I wonder where they've how they made it.
M: Yeah, well people sort of think, you know, when you give money to General Motors (X) that then it just goes to the General Motors shareholders.
3: Exactly. And the lobbyist.
M: Yeah. And the lobbyists. That's right. The lobbyists that want (X) to make, you know, higher (X) polluting automobiles.
3: So I suppose the fifty percent of the American (X) population that have (X) got some equity in the (X) stock market would argue with that. (X)
M: Well we're all contributors, aren't we?
3: There we go.
M: Alright, sir.
3: Thank you sir.
M: Thanks for the call. Ba-bye. Uhhh let's see. How about you? Welcome to KABC. (X)
4: Hi, Mr. KABC. (X)
M: Hi, welcome.
4: There was a (X) debate going about whether a defense attorney (X) should not take his client if he believes he is (X) guilty of a horrendous crime. There was a talk show host who was
M: Well you're talking about Bill O'Reilly.
4: Yeah.
M: Bill O'Reilly was specifically talking about Zacarias Moussaoui and how (X) how could anyone be a defense attorney for him. As it turned out, (X) he's acting as his own defense attorney and (X X) not very (X) successfully.
4: Right but you would not agree with what Bill O'Reilly was saying, would you?
M: Bill doesn't have it exactly right. (X) Because you can be forced by a if you're a defense attorney, you can be forced by a judge (X) to take a case even though (X) you may find your (X) client morally (X) objectionable. Unlike the earlier caller that didn't want to work for a perfume (X) company because it's (X) shareholder-owned, he may have some grounds to refuse that job. I ("LL") there are defense attorneys that can not. You can be told by a judge, "You're assigned (X) to this case."
4: Well you're absolutely right. And every case would end up having to do that in order to get through the system so it's (X) like a moot point. But the other point I wanted to make
M: Well I mean don't you feel kind of sorry for the (X) woman who has to defend Ale(X)jandro Avila? I mean it's so he's so clearly guilty and he's done everything with the exception of admitting guilt that the lawyer (X) taking that case must know that she cannot (X) prevail. Nor would she want to because (X) as any decent human wants someone like this to
4: Oh yeah, she has to be holding her nose with both hands. But
M: But she also recognizes that he deserves a defense.
4: But I think what Mr. O'Reilly was not understanding, he was (X) trying to say that legally, you know, an (X) attorney can do this but that's not true. (X) Legally, an at(X)torney must do it because of the fact that ("HE") in other words, he was (X) asking the at(X)torney to be the (X) judge, (X) jury judge and jury when in fact
M: Well he's not correct.
4: you are entitled to have (X) you are not guilty until (X) proven (X) guilty.
M: That's correct.
4: By a jury of your peers. Correct?
M: That's correct.
4: Boy, I just I'm impressed with myself. But I just wanted to (small laugh) (X)
M: But on the other hand, (X) for example, (X) would a judge (X) force (X) Harland Braun to defend (X) Robert (X) Blake? And the answer is no. (X) He is a private attorney and he can pick and choose what cases he wants to (X) take. And if Robert Blake couldn't pay his fee or for whatever reason he found the (X) the case to be morally objectionable or he believed that (X) his client wasn't ("BY") that his client would be represented sufficiently (X) by a court-appointed attorney, he could (or "HE COULD") (X) he could bow off, he could beg off that case.
4: That's (X) true. But it would not necessarily ("HE") in other words, all these (X) people (X) would eventually get their attorney. (X)
M: Well, you know, Miles Berman has this has a quote. I'm (X) going to paraphrase it because I don't have it exactly right but he says, 'You know, everyone is entitled to a defense but not everyone is entitled to my defense.' And there are people that Miles Berman turns away (X) that, for whatever reason, usually because they have an inability to pay (X) because that's ("WHAT HE") that's how he makes his living. He's not doing it for as a (X) public service. He's doing it because that's the kind of law he's decided to practice and (X) and wants to be compensated for it.
4: Well and what so and but also, you know, you can think (X) beyond a reasonable doubt (X) that in your mind this person (X) is guilty (X) but many people have been wrong because people actually have confessed to crimes they didn't commit. (X) People have been (X) framed. (X) People have been I mean a hundred people have gotten off of death row (X) because they were innocent. I mean so to for him to (X) say I was really in (X) shock (X) that he would come out with such a
M: Well he just got it wrong. A lot of people (X) misunderstand the law and, (X) yeah, I'm sure it was an honest mistake on his part. And I know people have corrected him. And I don't know if he's (X) admitted that he was incorrect but (X) I saw some lawyers who were actually (X) he was grilling about this very issue. (X) And they told him that he was flat out wrong, that lawyers can be compelled to (X) to by a judfe to defend a defendant. (X) Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC. Hello?
5: Hello?
M: Yeah, you're on the air.
5: Oh yes. Hi
M: Hi.
5: Mr. KABC. (X) I wanted to call you to but so many callers . . . (X) I listened to your show a long (X) time and but I never (X) called you. (X)
M: Okay.
5: But I'm (X) calling today to let you know that this (X X) caller who called about the Moon (X) that's very low on the horizon. It looks very big.
M: Uh-huh.
5: Today is the day and I was driving. And I saw the so big Moon close to the horizon. (X)
M: Yeah. Now you know that's just an optical (X) illusion, right?
5: It is.
M: The Moon isn't
5: Yeah, it is optical illusion and I just wanted
M: It's not that the Moon is any
5: people to see, you know, how I remember you telling put, you know, (X) a dime at your arm's (X) length
M: Yeah.
5: and you can do it at night (X) too.
M: Right.
5: And it'll be about the same length. (X)
M: Yeah.
5: And width. But it does look (X) bigger because of the optical illusion.
M: Right. Because you don't have a point of
5: . . . people want to experiment it, they can see it today. (X)
M: Yeah, you don't have a point of reference and that's why when it's low on the horizon
5: Exactly.
M: But there are people who have this ("SO") it's one of those ones that's difficult to shake. People believe because the (X) the (X) light from the Moon (X) has more (X) atmosphere to go through that it's refracted the light becomes refracted and so it becomes magnified. And it's just not (he taps on desk three times apparently) that's just not the reason why. (X) Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC.
6: Hi, Mr. KABC. (X)
M: Hi. (X)
6: Hey, my question is if a radio station folds, (X) can another radio station use those same call letters? (X) Like say for example, let's say (X) a new radio station comes along and they want to use the call letters (X) to a station that folded like maybe (X) 40 years ago, could they (X) could they do that?
M: Yeah. You have to go through the FCC but you can request licenses fr(om) you can request the call letters of radio stations whose licenses have either expired (X) or are no longer used.
6: Okay. ("OLLIE")
M: And that happens all the time.
6: Oh does it really?
M: Yeah. Oh yeah. There's (X "O") for example, one of the legendary call letters in Los Angeles was KMPC. (X)
6: Right. (X)
M: KMPC was relinquished by the Walt Disney Company, the same company that owns this radio station, Disney.
6: Right. (X)
M: Because we picked up (X) KSPN on that same frequency. (X)
6: What about (X) KRLA? Was that the same thing that happened to them?
M: Yes. (X)
6: Okay.
M: Right.
6: I see. (X) Alright.
M: Okay.
6: Thanks.
M: Yeah. (or "YEAH") Thanks for the call. Yeah, the FCC can (X) can for whatever reason (X) not grant you those (X) call letters but usually if they're not being contested (X) for some reason and they're (X) available (X) like, for instance, you know, a legendary (X) station in Los Angeles was KMET, the ("WHAT WAS") now (X) classic rock station. (X) Could someone (X) get a license for a radio station (X) and change the (X) call letters to KMET? (X) I don't think anyone has (X) KMET (X) west of the (X) Mississippi so theoretically the answer is yes. (X) Alright 10:46 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. (X) Back for more of your calls right after we check the latest (X) traffic. (X)
R: Hey there, (X) I got some information on KMET, the 'Mighty Met.'
M: Oh yeah?
R: A guy a group bought it in Banning.
M: Oh really?
R: And they turned it into a (X) highway traffic (X) traffic slash (X) traffic/news station.
M: It's still on the air? (X)
R: I don't know if it's still on the air (X) but they still own the call letters. And it was on the air for a couple years.
M: Well you can only (X) you can only own the (X) call letters for a radio station that's (X) on the air. (X)
R: Okay, well they're broadcasting something
M: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
R: because the last I heard they were up and running. And this a couple years back (X) but they made a big deal of owning, you know, the call letters KMET. (X)
M: And KHJ is another one. (X)
R: Yeah, KHJ, right.
M: That's those are legendary but there is I think there is a KHJ. (X) It's just KHJJ or something, right? (X) Isn't there a K isn't there on the AM dial? It's I think Spanish or something.
R: It's Spanish. Right. (X)
M: But it's
R: I think you're right. (X)
M: But it is I don't know. (X)
R: I know what you're talking about.
M: Or maybe it's on the frequency that wa(s) KHJ was what?
R: (X) KHJ KHJ was 93? Wasn't it KHJ (X) I'm trying to think of the jingle.
M: I think you're right. I think it was 93.
R: Yeah, 93 KHJ.
M: Yeah. And
R: "93 KHJ." Something like that.
M: And now it's Spanish but I think it's KHJJ or something like that.
R: Okay.
M: And I think it's because the primary you know, you (X) could only get a three letter (X) call if you were one of the (X) primary radio stations in a given market and you were a (X) clear channel. You know, you had a 50,000-watt clear channel
R: Right.
M: You know, like K (X) what's our sister station in San Francisco?
R: KGO.
M: KGO. (X) Yeah, for example. (X)
R: Right. Huh. (X) Okay.
M: But I don't I think the KHJ is K I think 93 or 930 is (X) KHJJ. (X)
R: Okay. I'll have to (X) check it out.
M: Yeah. (X)
R: KAB KABC traffic alert.
M: You even forgot the call letters of this radio station, didn't you?
R: (small laugh)
M: Alright. (X)
R: Never. The Cajon pass . . . On the KABC (X) traffic watch, I'm Rob Marinko Talk Radio 790 KABC. (promos and commercials)
M: 10:53. We're just minutes away from one of our favorites, our regular Dr. (X) well not our regular Dr. Krupp. He's the great the good Dr. Krupp, as we like to refer (X) to him. (X) He's also great. He really can explain things about astronomy in a very simple and easy (X) to understand way. And we'll spend some time with Dr. (X) Krupp, (X) talk about all the (X) latest things in (X X) the heavens. That's coming up next. After the news at 11 also, we'll have (X) the three quiz questions at our half way point. And, as always, we have a bonus question for Dr. (X) Krupp. He's a big (X X) he's a big Bob Dylan fan so I always like to have a bonus Bob Dylan question for Dr. Krupp. And we'll get to the phone lines here and continue with your calls. By the way, your basic questions about astronomy next hour will be welcomed. Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC.
7: Hello, Mr. K.
M: Yeah. Hi, welcome, sir.
7: Thank you (X) very much. A first time caller to the (X) program. (X)
M: Oh great.
7: Yeah. I have your answer for the KHJ deal.
M: Okay.
7: KHJ lives (X) with the original call letters.
M: Oh.
7: And it is at 930 as a Spanish station.
M: Oh, okay.
7: How it worked was when RKO owned KHJ in the past, they changed the call letters to KR(X)TH AM. Then they sold it to the company that (X) is now running the Spanish programming.
M: Huh.
7: They renamed it K(X)KHJ.
M: Oh KKHJ, that's right. That's . . .
7: However, some I think it was last year. I guess they got some special dispensation from the FCC.
M: Yeah, that's usually the way it works.
7: Now it is officially KHJ.
M: Oh. Alright. Very good. I'm glad you got the history for us straight.
7: Okay.
M: Thank you.
7: Thank you. (bumper music starts)
M: Ba-bye. Oh oh come on. I've taken like two calls this hour? Line three, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you.
8: Okay.
M: Yeah. Sorry. Line four, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you either.
9: Okay.
M: Alright. Line five, sorry I couldn't get to you.
10: Okay.
M: Car phone. Yeah. Line six, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you.
11: When can I call back? (X)
M: Well if you have a question about basic astronomy, next hour.
11: What about at (X) twelve o'clock? Can I call back at twelve o'clock?
M: Well we'll see. We'll see how it goes. Sorry I couldn't get to you, line one.
12: Well I have one real quick astronomy question.
M: Alright, well stand by, I'll hold you over. Line two, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you. Line three, I'm sorry I couldn't get to you either.
14: Hey, there's a KHJ in Spokane, Washington.
M: Oh. Alright. Well apparently not any more. (X) Alright, Dr. Krupp is next. Your basic questions about astronomy. (gives number/ commercials and promos follow)
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M: Six minutes after eleven o'clock on Talk Radio 790 KABC. It is Mister KABC with one of my favorites: (X) the good Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory is here. (X) And it's a great time to talk about I like to have you on about four times a year you come on the show.
K: It's kind of seasonal. (X)
M: And you're always very (X) gracious and the reason why I like you best of all the people who talk about this stuff is you talk about it in a very easy to understand way. You have a great way of communicating very complex ideas into very (X) simple to understand ways. And that's probably the reason why you're the director of the Griffith Observatory. (X)
K: I think it's patience, actually.
M: (small laugh)
K: (small laugh) (X)
M: So we'll take your phone calls. (gives number) Again your basic (X) questions about astronomy (X) are welcome tonight. And let's get into there's actually a lot going on (X) since the last time we spoke.
K: The cosmos has just (X) bloomed. ("YEAH")
M: Well this (X) it is kind of amazing, isn't it, that (X X) you know, I'd be curious, if I did a show in the nineteen well you've been the director since what year? (X)
K: 1974.
M: If I had you on in 19(X)74 four times a year, there wouldn't be this much new to (X) talk about every (X) quarter of a year, would there? (X)
K: You know, (X) probably not as dramatic as some of this is. But the thing about the universe is that there's (X) always something. And so (X) stuff is happening but the one thing that really (X) creates news is space exploration and new big telescopes. We're in a wave of big telescopes and we have (X) the ability to discover (X) things that we (X) couldn't do decades ago.
M: Correct me if I'm wrong, the biggest (X) telescope is (X X) on (X) Hawaiian it's on one of the islands near Hawaii, right? (X)
K: Well now you've just (X) brought up a really interesting thing. I just was in that telescope (X) just a couple of weeks ago.
M: Is that the Keck Observatory?
K: The Kecks Observator(ies) actually
M: Kecks.
K: Well there are two Kecks.
M: Oh. Okay.
K: And so there's the Keck Observatory. Two (X) giant ten-meter telescopes (X) but, in fact, (X) there is a larger telescope in Chili (X) under construction and with first light (X) I'd think it's fair to say to say not (X) quite as operational but it's a bigger instrument.
M: Who is funding it in Chili?
K: You know, tha(t) (X) I I've got to (X) I should know that (X) and I'm slipping.
M: Well is it private or is it a government?
K: Oh it's mixed. It's mixed, yeah, but there are (X) different agencies that jointly (X) get (X) toget(X)her on all of these.
M: Why Chili? (X)
K: Well Chili's like California and Hawaii. You've got this extremely (X) clear dark sky with (X) very steady air. You know, Mount Wilson is (X) still among the steadiest air in the world. (X) That's why they built that observatory (X) there in the first place. (X) Still good. But the dark sky is what we've lost from Mount Wilson. (X) And Mauna (X) Kea on Hawaii is just so high. There's nothing there and there's hardly any air over you. You can (X) tell that because you can't breathe.
M: And supposedly the Catholic church, the Vatican has some incredible telescope.
K: Well the Vatican (X) has a (X) telescope. That's in Arizona and (X) the
M: Wait a minute. The Vatican's telescope is in Arizona?
K: Well it's not a bad place for it, yeah. Yeah, the church gets around, Mr. KABC.
M: (small laugh) Apparently so, yeah. You've heard about that.
K: (small laugh) Now there's . . . the (X) Vatican Observatory in Rome, of course. I mean I've been there (X) too.
M: Well that's what I meant.
K: Yeah.
M: I didn't realize they had two.
K: Well they (X) probably a few more than two. The actual official Vatican Observatory is now out(X)side of Rome and it's a fairly small observatory. (X)
M: Bigger than the Griffith Observatory?
K: You know, it really isn't in terms of the archi(X)tectural size and all but it is a true research observatory (X) carrying out a set of research observations. But the instrument in Arizona is a much bigger instrument, taking advantage of the dark skies, the clear air and all of that, that you get in Arizona. (X)
M: Why not have everyone just (X) pool their resources into (X) one perfect isn't there a perfect spot where you would say this, ("NO") "Arizona is not as good as Chili is not as (X) good as Mauna Kea." You know, that ultimately there's one spot that everyone can kind of agree on, "This is the best (X) place to look. Let's (X) pool our resources. Instead of having (X) fifty little observatories, let's have one awesome observatory." (X)
K: Actually, what you've got is about fifty awesome observatories and that's what people really want. The more (X) telescopes, the better because there's lots of work to be done. And if you all had it in a single telescope, that's (X) kind of like the space telescope. That's what it really is. It's a single awesome instrument up in orbit. (X) think if we could afford it, everybody would say, "Sure, let's have like a dozen of 'em up there."
M: Alright, let's talk about what's new just in the last (X) well last 90 days. (X) Eleven new Moons have been discovered (X) around Jupiter, bringing the (X) total to 39.
K: Yeah, it's been hiding 'em on us, you know, but it's now got the record again. Saturn was ("YEAH" X) pushing it in having the most Moons (X) but now Jupiter now has the record again.
M: Why (X) did we not know of them until May?
K: Well they're extremely small and faint (X) and hard to detect. And so what you have to have is a combination of an instrument and, of (X) course, time to observe, and good conditions for observing. And so you (X) get this really (X) thoughtful and careful work (X) done by the observer, combining the instruments (X) to solve a specific problem. Most of us think about, 'Oh you point the telescope, you look and you see something.' In fact, for these very subtle things that astronomers look (X) at. It's a real (X) game against the limits of the . . .
M: Our Moon is a (X) piece of the or was one at one time (X) part of the (X) Earth. Right?
K: Well it's (X) kind of, sort of part of the Earth. The best theory about our Moon is it's the (X) product of a collision
M: Right.
K: in primordial times of the Earth
M: Right.
K: and another (X) object that now
M: Right.
K: is (X) pieces of the Moon.
M: Something banged into it and made the Mo(on)
K: Yeah.
M: Okay.
K: Yeah. (X)
M: And ("WHIZ" or "WIZ") would that be the case with Jupiter's moons? That something banged into Jupiter and (X) caused the moons (X) to be created around Jupiter?
K: Probably not although it's a (X) kind of a related phenomenon. ("YY") You could look at the moons of Jupiter and say, you know, they're really two kinds. One (X) kind of moon is a moon that formed ("IF") with Jupiter when Jupiter was forming. These are the big ones. They're in the same (X) plane or level as the Equator of Jupiter. ("AN THEY") They go around in a very kind of tidy fashion. But Jupiter has other moons that are sort of every which way. These are (X) captured objects. Objects that came close to Jupiter, had their orbits modified and now are trapped in Jupiter's (X) attraction.
M: We've been finding exoplanets. Explain what exoplanets are.
K: Well these are planets around (X) other stars. And, you know, I (X) discovered that in 1984 (X) I wrote a little article (X) for our monthly magazine The Griffith Observer about the dis(X)covery of (X) planets around other stars. And we hadn't really done it. ("WW")
M: It was theoretical at that point.
K: It we're just on the edge. And, of (X) course, now this thing has blossomed.
M: Over 100 of them have been discovered. ("YEAH")
K: And (X) we're going to just keep finding more. And the (X) funny thing about it is they're all weird. (X) Everyone of them is in a peculiar orbit or in a (X) place where we didn't expect. And I think it's just going to be (X) proliferating.
M: It's way too early to (X) tell if these (X) planets around other suns these are outside of our Solar System then by definition if they (X) could sustain life. We can't tell that you.
K: All of these planets so far are very large planets. They're more like Jupiter. And all of 'em so far with maybe the exception of one or (X) two are in orbits that we (X) think are (X) too extreme. (X) They just don't make sense. (X) But we are not very far (X) from getting an actual image of a planet. This is all indirect (X) observations so far. The planets' existence is inferred rather than (X) demonstrated by an image. (X) And I think that you and I will live and it won't (X) take very long for the first Earth-like (X) planet (X) to be imaged. And that's going to really ("YEAH") wig everybody out.
M: Hmm. (X) You mean something that has oceans, (X) tides, that kind of thing?
K: I think really this it's hard to say what the (X) conditions on it are going to be. (X) But the idea is that it's the same size as the Earth or something in that ballpark. Right now we're just looking at giant (X) planets. And we figure where there are giant (X) planets, there are little (X) planets too. (X) But we haven't actually detected them yet. (X)
M: There's a nuclear (X) chemist and university professor (X) that was reported in CNN a guy named Oliver Manuel. Do you know this name? (X)
K: Only because (X) you've recently exposed (X) his name to me, Mr. KABC.
M: Alright, well this is a guy who (X) claims that the Sun is not (X) a bunch of hot gas, it's mostly iron (X) that is the (X) predominant solar (X) element is, you know, ("IS") I guess molten iron, I would (X) think. (X) That he and his (X) colleagues contend that the Sun and the planets formed from the remnants of a supernova that rocked our (X) cosmic neighborhood about five billion years ago. Not from the (X) clouds of swirling interstellar dust as commonly thought. Is he wrong? (X)
K: Yeah, I think he's wrong. First, the idea of what the Sun is made of and how it (X) produces its energy (X) is reasonably well-understood. No (X) good astronomer would say, "Hey, we've got everything worked out." But an awful lot of the physics, an awful lot of the math make sense. And to suddenly say, "Wait a minute. Most of the Sun is made out of this other element." We've got a problem immediately with figuring out how the energy is (X) coming out of the Sun and (X) explaining that in the detailed (X) quantitative terms we have. (X) So that doesn't make sense.
M: Well then why did this guy get enough (X) credibility that CNN would report the story?
K: You know, maybe he's got a good agent.
M: (laughs)
K: Here's the other (X) clue. (X) Stories like this, if somebody's really (X) doing serious research, it shows up (X) in a journal (X) that is in fact (X) refereed (X) so that other astronomers or scientists have a chance to take a whack at it and see what's right, what's wrong with it. I mean when you (X) put science out (X) by press release, it's not science anymore.
M: 11:15 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. We see you there on the phones jamming up our lines. We'll get (X) to you (X) your questions about basic astronomy for Dr. Krupp are coming up next. 11:16 now on Talk Radio 790 KABC. We'll continue right after we check the latest traffic. (traffic, promos, commercials) Twenty minutes after eleven o'clock on Talk Radio 790 KABC with Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory. He is the director there and as most people have discovered the (X) Griffith Observatory is (X) closed, (X) set to reopen in 2005, all things (X) all things with fingers crossed 2005.
K: Fingers always crossed with public construction absolutely.
M: And so the ("BUT") what I thought when you told me in January that the Griffith Observatory was closed, I figured that the fence down ("THIS") you know, down by the what's the arena there?
K: The Greek Theatre?
M: Yeah, by the Greek Theatre that the fence there was going to be shut down. In
fact, you can still go to the Griffith Observatory. You just can't get inside.
K: That's right. The building is (X) closed. You can even still walk on the roof right now. Now when the place is actually turned over to a contractor, there will be (X) a perimeter fence (X) put up around the grounds of the Observatory. So the hilltop will be blocked off. Access to the trails, actually, on Mount Hollywood will still be available (X) too. But that does not happen until a contractor actually has a (X) contract and starts work. So right now you can still walk around Griffith Observatory's grounds, see the view and all that. And, in fact, I'd recommend it because, sooner or later, you won't. (X)
M: What's going on inside the Observatory?
K: Oh it's funny, Mr. (X) KABC. It's a heartbreaker, in a sense. Everything is dismantled, bar coded, (X) packed, in some cases moved. The (X) planetarium theatre you know, where the giant instrument, the projector is in (X) now almost everything around that has been removed. The movers will help us take that down and pack that up. (X) It's being replaced with a new (X) projectormuch slicker projectorbut that one's going on display (X) when we're done as a historic artifact. The room looks like a crop circle. (X) All the seats are down, flat. You know.
M: (laughs)
K: They either that or an explosion like (X) Tunguska in Siberia, 1908. It's decimated. (X) The exhibits are all taken out. Like the Moon globe it's in half. The Earth globe is in half. All the meteorites have been packed up so it the place really looks all the pictures taken out of the frames. I mean this is
M: Weird.
K: Oh it is weird (X) and, you know, it's not pretty. (X) And if it weren't for a good cause, all of us'd be heartbroken. (X)
M: Let's see. We're going to take your basic (X) questions about astronomy now at (gives number) for Dr. Krupp. Welcome to KABC. Hello?
15: Hello. Hi, Mr. KABC.
M: Yeah. Your question for Dr. Krupp please?
15: Yes. Hi, doctor.
K: Hi. (X)
15: How are you doing today?
K: Okay, thanks. (X X)
15: The question is (X) how is the Hubble Tele(X)scope different from the normal conventional (X) telescope in mechanism . . . (X X)
K: The mechanism isn't so different except for the (X) fact that it's obviously not mounted on the (X) ground. And so in order (X) to (X) point the telescope and hold it steady, you have a whole different system. I you're obviously using the (X) kinds of gyros and things in (X) space that allow us to orient spacecraft accurately. And it's really a wonder that you can (X) point that thing around (X) and be certain it's going where it's supposed to go and hold steady. (X) As far as the basic (X) operation of a telescope is concerned, it's like any other telescope. (X) It collects light, focuses light, sends it to instruments. But it has the advantage, of course, of being above the atmosphere so it can see things you can't see down here.
M: Where is the first (X) place that images from the Hubble (X) come to? There's a (X) point on Earth. Where is that? (X)
K: You know, the (X) I actually haven't thought about the answer to that question of, you know (or "YOU KNOW"), where the (X) data is actually sent. Now I would've thought it is, in fact
M: Johnson Space Center?
K: No it's the Hubble (X) Center in Maryland, ("WW") which is the space telescope's science center. (X) So that's in Maryland and I it just never occurred to me, you know, (X) does it actually get (X) telemetered there or not?
M: Right. (X) How soon after images are collected, do you get them? (X)
K: It depends. The images that the instrument (X) collects ("R") for the most part are the (X) controlled by the researchers who are doing the projects. (X) But the Space Telescope Institute is very active in getting material out. They're very good (X) promoters. And as a result, (X) new imagery things that (X) kind of look good are always being watched for, by the folks there. And they do get it out to the media. At the Observatory, Griffith Observatory doesn't really (X) get it any faster than anybody else could but we're kind of on the watch for it. You know, so we're monitoring the websites, keeping contact with the institutions and so (X) we have it. But no real ("SS") not real soon or . . .
M: Is Hubble taking pictures (X) 24 hours a day seven days a week?
K: Oh yeah. (X) Yeah. That instrument I mean to (X) justify its existence it has to be operating constantly. And it's not only just (X) 24 hours a day seven days a week (X) ad infinitum. (X) But (X) it is devised its programming of observation is devised (X) to make observations as it is moving from one spot in the sky to another spot in the sky so it takes advantage (X) of each movement that it does. It's (X) plotted out very carefully.
M: You really like Hubble?
K: Yeah, but I like all telescopes. (X) Yeah. But, sure, I think the Hubble (X) has done exactly what it's supposed to do, which is (X) completely change our minds about the universe. And ("DD") the fact that we had (X) trouble with it (X) it was a pioneering effort. (X) Shouldn't have had the errors but we did. Okay, did we get our money's worth? Well it depends on what your money's worth is. I got my money's worth (X) twenty times over, fifty times over. It's astounding (X) what we've seen with that thing.
M: What have we seen with that thing?
K: You see detail that we never were able to see before. On the one hand, some of it ap(X)pears on the front pages of newspapers. These nebulae where stars are forming. (X) We look at the old (X) pictures in black and white of these things and you see this little fuzzy stuff and, "Yeah, it looks (X) kind of like a (X) cloud and there's some dust there and all." This thing you see such (X) detail, you can see the tiny little places where these stars (X) are in envelopes. ("THE") In a sense, the embryos. (X)
M: This was a (X) question that came up a couple months ago. What (X) color is space?
K: Yeah. Remember that I remember the answer . . .
M: . . . And some people were saying it's beige.
K: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
M: That beige is the (X) co(lor) well do you think you know the answer now?
K: Yeah.
M: What (X) color is space?
K: See, I would've said beige all along.
M: Well I would've said black.
K: Well no. See, what they're (X) talking about they're (X) talking about the general background light that is emitted.
M: Um-huh.
K: If you take all the objects together (X) and say, "Okay, what is that light producing as a color?"
M: Well wouldn't it be white? Isn't that the absence of all or the presence of all (X) color in the light spectrum is white. (X)
K: Except there's more of some light than others. I mean there's more infrared, (X) there's radio light and all that.
M: Right.
K: And so it's a sort of mix of okay, of the visible spectrum, what's there the preponderance of? And, of course, the funny part of that story is that there was an error (X) in the calculations.
M: Right, because it was it's either (X) green or beige, right? Wasn't
K: Yeah, it came out like a blue-green which was sort of interesting. And I remember when that answer came out and I really scratched my head. ("C" or "SEE") Beige kind of makes sense. That's sort of the cool, the reddish colors, you know. It's not (X) it's not really (X) zippy, you know, it's (X) kind of your average universe (X) color. (X)
M: (laughs)
K: (small laugh)
M: So you like the beige universe theory? (X)
K: Well I think it's (X) correct. I mean I would've been happier with something like candy apple red, you know?
M: But blue-green is the actual (X) color?
K: No no no, it's the beige. The beige is the right one.
M: Oh, beige is the correct color.
K: Yeah. The wrong one was that blue-green.
M: I see.
K: Yeah.
M: Okay. Alright. Let's see. How about you? Welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
16: Hi, Dr. (X) Krupp. A (X) quick question on tides. My understanding is it's due to the gravitational gravitational pull of the Moon and yet I believe there's two high tides per 24 hour period.
K: That's correct.
16: How can that be if the Moon only circles by, (X) you know, once a day?
M: He's got the answer for you.
K: Well it's a very (X) fair question because the tides are really confusing but let's not get
16: Oh and or is there something (X) other than the Moon's (X) gravitational force causing the tide?
K: Well the sun is also causing the tides but that's not why you get the (X) two different (X) tides each day, the two high tides each (X) day. (X) What you have to kind of think
of it is in terms of (X) of this water around the Earth stretching out (X) the water on one side of the Earth isn't (X) pulled as strongly as the water on the other (X) side of the Earth. And so you get (X) kind of like an egg shape (X) of the water around the Earth. And then as the Earth spins, it (X) passes through those two deep (X) parts of it. But people tend to think that there's something (X) pulling the other side. It's really just being left behind. (X) And that pull is different from the different size of the Earth and that's why it's left behind. (X)
M: A great question. Hi, welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp. (X)
17: Is it my turn? (X)
M: Yes, ma'am. (X)
17: Oh, Dr. Krupp
K: How do you do?
17: Hi. I've spoken to you before.
K: I know. I recognize your voice.
M: This is
17: Do you really? Thank you. This is . . .
M: This is Mae, our 93-year-old listener.
K: I remember Mae.
M: Yeah.
17: Yeah, this is the lady (X) that (X) actually saw the end of the rainbow.
K: I remember that too.
17: Good. Thank (X) you. I don't want to (X) take your time but I would like (X) to know, (X) can you describe (X) just briefly about a (X) planet, size-wise and why is it (X) called a (X) planet? What does it (X) do?
M: Yeah. Why yeah, how do we distinguish ("AA" or "UH") like, for instance, uh, the Moon is not a planet but to me it has everything, all the makings of a planet. It's got (X) terra firma, right? (X)
K: Um-huh.
M: But it's not because it's a satellite, right?
K: Um-huh.
M: But if it were a revolving around the Sun as opposed to revolving around us revolving around the sun, it would be a planet.
K: Yeah, it would (X) it would (X) qualify as a (X) planet. It's (X) just sort of at that threshold of size that we would (X) kind of be asking ourselves the question, "Is this a (X) quote 'minor planet' or asteroid or is it a full-fledged (X) planet?" And if the Moon were (X) going around the Sun, I'd actually be inclined (X) I'd say, "Yeah, it's big enough to (X) call it a planet. It's about in the ballpark." Now the word (X) planet is a Greek word or from the Greek and it just means wanderer. (X) And that derives from the fact that the ancients saw some objects shifting position against the background stars. The stars always kept the same patterns: you know, like the Big Dipper. ("A[N]") And they saw these other objects (X) moving and so they called them planetes or wanderers. Well in time (X) we realized that these are worlds in orbit around the Sun in our system of worlds or Solar System. And so those larger objects in orbit around the Sun are called (X) planets. (X)
M: This is your area. The ancient astronomy. Did the ancients ever believe that there were more than (X) nine planets?
K: In a sense they did. I mean you but it's a funny kind of way of thinking of it. For example, even now in traditional Hindu astronomy, nine planets are listed. Now modern people in India certainly know that (X) there are other planets besides the one they're talking about in this tradition. What they were talking about in the ancient tradition (X) are the seven so-(X)called planets you can see with the unaided eye. That includes (X) the Sun and the Moon. The ancients (X) called those planets because they moved too. But then they had two invisible (X) planets and these are the (X) places in the sky where e(X)clipses occur. And so when the Moon and the Sun (X) occupied one of these thingsit's (X) called the node in modern astronomy; it's the (X) crossing of the orbityou get an eclipse. Well they imagined that there was some (X) kind of object/being/God in that (X) place that (X) caused eclipses. And so they called them planets also and you see nine planets listed ("I") in fact, when I was last in India last year, I mean there were nine (X) planet temples and there were little chambers for each of them
M: There's no way they could have known of, for example, Pluto? (X)
K: No.
M: Not capable they didn't have the (X) technology.
K: And even (X) Neptune, (X) of course, likewise. You need a (X) telescope. (X) The planet Uranus is just at the (X) threshold (X) of the eye's ability to detect it. And if you knew where to look (X) perfect sky, you'd see it. (X) But you'd ("SO") probably wouldn't notice.
M: Are you saying they got lucky and said that there were nine, assuming that there were two that they couldn't see or you're saying that they had some basis for understanding that there were two even though they didn't (X) they couldn't (X) prove they were there.
K: No, it's really unrelated. They had a (X) different sense about the Solar System than we do didn't even necessarily think of it as the Sun at the center and worlds around it. They just recognized that there were worlds that they could see or really lights that they could see moving. (X) And they decided in the case of India that there were two more. And these had to do with the oc(X)currence of eclipses. They have nothing to do with Uranus, Neptune and (X) Pluto whatsoever. They just added two (X) and called them nine planets but remember, they're (X) counting the Sun and the Moon in that nine also. (X)
M: 11:32 on Talk Radio 790 KABC with Dr. Krupp, the director of the Griffith Observatory and your basic (X) questions about astronomy. We'll get to more of 'em right after we check the latest news oh, I've got to give you tonight's Mr. KABC three quiz questions and the answers coming up after the news (X) as well. And also the we have a bonus question for Dr. Krupp. So (X) question number one: on this day in 1984, what was the first network program to be telecast in stereo? (X) Was it "The Tonight Show," "Miami Vice," "60 Minutes," (X) or "Live With Regis and Kathy Lee"? (X) Question number two: can you get rabies without an animal bite? (X) And the last of tonight's Mr. KABC three (X) quiz (X) questions is: where is the worlds's largest (X) optical and infrared telescopes? And the bonus (X) question for Dr. (X) Krupp is: In which (X) Bob Dylan song was Eden burning? (X) In which Bob Dylan song was Eden (X) burning? The answers to these (X) three plus the bonus (X) question coming up right after we check the latest traffic and the latest news. (X) Standing by with local news first, here's Rob Marinko.
R: Thank you, Mr. K and this first story might (X) interest the good doctor. The Air National Guard, we're learning the Air National Guard squadron in Maryland was (X) scrambled early this morning after there were (X) reports of a strange flying object in the sky.
M: I heard this story today, yeah.
R: Sheldon Smith of the Air National (X) Guard says NORAD is investigating.
S: "Last (X) night, a little bit before two o'clock, they were notified by the FAA that they had picked up (X) two what they (X) called 'tracks of (X) interest.' (X) And that prompted them to scramble (X) F-16 fighters from the 113th (X) wing of the D.C. Air National Guard.
M: (small laugh)
S: Once those fighters got to the general area
M: There was nothing there.
S: of those tracks, (X) there was no intercept
M: (mock gasp)
S: and they returned back to their base.
R: Do do do do, do do . . . (imitates "Twilight Zone" theme)
M: They saw a blueish white light
R: Right.
M: And apparently lots of people on the ground saw this as well. (X)
R: Right. They described it as "a bright blue ball moving very fast (X) across the sky."
K: I think the UFO was abducted by aliens.
M: (laughs)
R: (laughs)
M: Well, you know, there are stories about this in the (X) desert. And I'm not (X) talking about Area 51 but that (X) that there can be like seismic ac(X)tivity (X) that can cause balls of blue light (X) to appear in the sky. Have you heard about this? (X)
K: There are atmospheric effects that are (X) caused by (X) seismic activity. They've been re(X)corded photographically. (X) A relatively modern (X) discovery. It's a piezoelectric effect (X) caused by the (X) crystalline structure of the material, yeah. (X) And I it's (X) hard to (X) register it and it's hard to study it (X) because it's (X) quick and you don't get a lot of data.
M: Yeah, that probably wouldn't be on NORAD's radar.
K: I wouldn't think. No.
M: Yeah
K: This sounds different. (X)
R: To pick it up on radar it'd have to be something solid, would it not? (X)
K: Actually it doesn't have to be. (X) You can have (X) different densities of (X) gases in the same area (X) produce radar echos and such so it just (X) depends on (X) how they're doing it and what they're doing. (X) As usual, this is a (X) story with not enough information. (small laugh)
M: (small laugh) (X)
R: Yeah but no, there was (X) apparently enough there to scramble the F-16s. I think that's that makes it interesting. (X)
K: And that the story was released. (X "HH" X)
R: That's true too.
M: Well a lot of people on the ground had seen it.
K: Yeah.
M: That's why. They saw these F-15s chasing (X) a blue ball, you know, in space and the people didn't know what the hell it was. (X) Well then that other one, that other big story was the one over Phoenix, Arizona.
K: Yeah.
M: The (X) triangle with all the ("I ME" X) but the slow-moving (X) triangle. (X)
R: You know what that was?
M: It's an air ("PLA") it's an airplane. (X)
R: Well you know there were airplanes that were in a ("AA") military planes that were ("EH" X) taking part in an exercise. And they were dropping (X) flares.
M: Ohh.
R: And from (X) I don't know, 20 miles away, those flares dropping ("UU") looked almost stationary.
M: Huhh.
R: And I think they were flares on (X) parachutes so they were almost stationary. They were dropping very slowly. (X) They looked like (X) lights in the sky.
M: Ooohhh.
R: I think that was the explanation and it was it turned out to be exactly (X) what happened. (X X)
M: You know, I hadn't heard that. I hadn't heard that explanation.
R: Yeah.
K: Yeah, I heard it.
R: That was the follow-up on it.
K: But he's got a good memory.
M: Yeah.
R: (small laugh) (X) Well this might make you think (X) twice about (X) what you pack in your suitcase. On the lighter side, as they say, (X) a (X) woman is suing Delta Airlines after she says a security agent forced her to (X) pull an adult toy out of her checked bag. (X) The Florida woman and her husband were just returning from a trip to Vegas, (X) where she says they purchased the item. (X) During a layover in Dallas, her bag was found to have been vibrating. And that raised the (X) suspicion of (X) security guards. They (X) jumped into action. The woman was then (X) called off the plane and onto the (X) tarmac where she was told to open her bag. (X) KABC news time is 11:36. The ABC 7 forecast . . . On the KABC traffic watch . . . local and national headlines (X) every 30 minutes. When news breaks out, we'll break in. I'm Rob Marinko (X) on Talk Radio 790 KABC. The more you listen, the more you know. (commercials and promos; bumper music is "Thus Spoke Zarathustra")
M: 11:41 on Talk Radio 790 KABC with Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory. (X) And we need to answer the quiz questions. And, you know, for whatever reason I didn't ask you the biggest story that everyone's talking about is the asteroid that's going to well it's going to kill us all on February 1st, (X) 2019. We've got what? Seventeen years to go.
K: We do? You want to put some money on it?
M: (laughs) (X) So we'll get into that in just a minute here. And let's answer tonight's quiz questions. (X) And I'm going to let you (X) be the lifeline for the callers here. How about (X) (X) how about you? Welcome to KABC.
18: Hi there. (X)
M: Let me ask you the quiz questions. Alright?
18: O(X)kay. I'll give them a shot.
M: And you can lean on Dr. (X) Krupp for the answers here.
18: Okay. Hi there, Mr. (X) KABC and Dr. Krupp. I'm honored to (X) talk to you. I love (X) astronomy, by the way. This is (X) Louis from Whittier.
K: Delighted to talk to you and I'm here for you. (X)
M: On this day in 19(X)84, what was the first network program to be telecast in stereo? By the way, let me just tell you right up front (X) Dr. Krupp will not be able to help you on this one.
K: (small laugh)
M: Was it "The (X) Tonight Show," "Miami (X) Vice," "60 Minutes" or "Live With Regis and (X) Kathie Lee"?
18: I'm going to say (X) "60 Minutes."
M: No. It was "The" do you know the answer?
K: No.
M: It was
K: But I was going to guess.
M: Yeah, okay. Go ahead.
K: I'm going to guess "Tonight Show." (X)
M: You would be correct. Yeah, "The Tonight Show" with Johnny Carson was the first network program to be telecast in stereo. Can you get rabies without being bitten by an animal?
18: Well I suppose if you were bitten by another human that had rabies if that
M: No, I mean it's not a trick question
18: It's not a trick question.
M: So no.
18: Okay. (X) I'm going to say no then. I mean you have to be bitten by an animal, I'm going to say.
M: Dr. Krupp?
K: Well, you know, I'm going to (X) go with you've got to be bitten by an animal but I know this show and I know that we're wrong. (X)
M: Non-bite exposures (X) to rabies are very rare but scratches, (X) abrasions, open wounds or mucus membranes (X) contaminated with saliva, ("OR") other potentially infectious materials such as brain tissue from a rabid animal could constitute a non-bite exposure. Inhalation of aerosolized rabies viruses is also a potential non-bite route of exposure (X) but other than laboratory (X) workers, most (X) people are unlikely (X) to encounter an aerosol of rabies virus. And the last of tonight's Mr. KABC three quiz questions is where is the world's largest (X) optical and infrared (X) telescopes? We actually covered this in the first half hour.
18: I know he knows the answer to this one. I'm going to say (X X) you know, I really don't know those (X) you know, where those particular types of telescopes (X) will be. I'm going to say Hawaii. (X)
M: Yeah, you're correct. The (X) W. M. Keck
18: Okay.
M: Observatory (X) on the summit of Hawaii's (X) dormant Mt. Kea (X) volcano.
18: I thought I was going to be 0 for three (X) but I guess I'm n(ot.)
M: Yeah no you get one there. And the bonus (X) question for Dr. (X) Krupp. You may need to help him (X) with this.
K: Oh yeah.
M: In which Bob Dylan song was Eden burning?
K: You know, you want to go for (X) "Gates of Eden" but, of course, it won't be that . . .
M: No. (X)
18: I'm no help on this. Sorry.
M: No, you want some time to think about it, Dr. Krupp or you
K: No. Absolutely not. I want the answer now.
M: You're going to give (X) "Changing of the Guards."
K: Oh gosh yeah. Okay. (X) I know the song, don't remember that (X) part of the lyric. Oh well.
M: (laughs) (X)
K: Oh boy.
M: Alright, caller, go ahead with your question for Dr. Krupp.
18: Thank you. I have a real quick one and then (X) one that's a little bit more. Should I just (X) get the quick one out of the way real quick?
M: Yeah. (X)
18: Okay. I know this question's been asked before but I don't remember the answer. But I know a lot of people are in(X)terested in it. If I was to take a telescope (X) let's include Hubble in that (X) it would probably be easier with Hubble and look at the Sea of Tranquility, would I be able to (X) see the flag on the Moon?
K: No. It's just too small to be able to detect (X) that with those instruments (X) in space. At least, that instrument (X) in space. (X) So not yet. No. (X)
M: You know, you did explain this before (X) because it has come up on the show. (X "BUT") You had an answer and it (X) has to do with (X X) the aperture of the lens, right? Isn't that the (X) deal?
K: The size of the (X) telescope de(X)termines the telescope's ability (X) to resolve detail. An(d) it's got to be bigger and bigger and bigger to see (X) smaller and smaller things. (X) And so every telescope has a built-in limit. Now when you (X) go into space, of (X) course, you get outside of the im(X)posed limit of the atmosphere which is actually makes every telescope worse than it really is on the (X) ground. ("BUT") Still, that (X) kind of a detail (X) is so small that you (X) can't really pick it up. (X X)
M: How (X) can we prove (X) to people who believe we've never landed on the Moon that we've landed on the Moon? I mean what what (X) can what can you do to sort of show is there something that (X) can prove to those people like, you know, I get a (X) call there's a (X) caller who (X) calls me (X) once a week and Zan is his name (X X) and he's convinced that we've never been to the Moon. What (X) can you (X) what can you explain to him to justify that we, in fact, have? (X)
K: Well, you know, it's a little bit silly (X) but and I don't think it's going to work.
M: Oh.
K: But, you see, we got (X) stuff from the Moon. ("NO") We brought it ("YEAH")
M: Right.
K: We brought it back.
M: Right. (X)
K: And it's not like Earth stuff.
M: Uh-huh.
K: But you have to be able to (X) know what stuff from the Earth looks like (X) and be able to look at (X) this and say, "Oh yeah, that's not like anything we ever had here from Earth." (X) And usually someone who is (X) advocating that we've never been to the Moon (X) won't buy that (X) kind of evidence because, in fact, it's outside (X) of their (X) personal ex(X)perience as well.
M: Um-huh.
K: So I think, (X) in fact, it
M: Earth Moon rocks (X) look nothing like (X) Earth rocks?
K: They really don't. They really don't look like Earth rocks. And then as soon as you do a (X) chemical analysis or anything like that then everything really (X) goes awry (X) because there are significant differences of (X) key elements in them.
M: But we've had rocks that are from li(ke) let's say Mars that have landed on Earth, right?
K: Um-huh.
M: We find little remnants of other planets' (X X) terra firma. That's I the best way I can describe it, right?
K: Yeah. Yeah. They're meteorites. (X)
M: Meteorites, yeah. And so and you know that those aren't from Earth. Why couldn't someone say, "Well, see, they just got those from the Siberian (X) desert?" (X)
K: Because these
M: There is no desert in Siberia but anyway.
K: Yeah I beg to differ.
M: There is? There's a desert in Siberia?
K: Well it's not the kind of desert we're used to. ("W[ELL] IT'S A")
M: It's a barren landscape. It's a
K: A very cold desert, yeah.
M: (small laugh) Alright. (X)
K: But (X) the this whole business of the meteorites from space these things are (X "R") very, very rare. And, (X) you know, we brought back tons and tons well tons, not tons (X) but we brought back pounds and pounds (X) of Moon rocks and from different parts of the Moon as well. (X) So there's just a lot of geological (X) and mineralogical (X) information at our (X) disposal. (X) But if people are, you know, unwilling
M: Committed (X) to it.
K: Yeah.
M: If they're committed to the idea we didn't go
K: Yeah.
M: then they're not going to (X "I") not going to see the point.
K: And I think, (X) in fact, (X) if they're persuaded that we haven't been there, they should be permitted (X) to (X) enjoy that belief.
M: (laughs) 12:47 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. (X) We'll continue with Dr. Krupp, more of your phone calls and we've got to talk about this (X) near-miss asteroid because it's the it's been the biggest story of the last week with regard (X) to space. (X) 2019 we've got til February 1st so
K: Get cracking. (X) ("SO")
M: My thing is, you know (or "YOU KNOW," "GO") go crazy with the credit card, right?
K: (small laugh) (X)
M: Alright, we'll continue right after we check the latest traffic. Rob Marinko in the KABC Traffic (X) Center (X) now. (X)
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M: 11:53 on Talk Radio 790 (X) KABC with Dr. (X) Krupp from the Griffith Observatory. Let's before we go to more of your (X) calls and the (X) questions have been really good tonight (X) a near-miss asteroid (X) twenty well I shouldn't say near-miss. It's on a (X) collision (X) course with Earth. February 1st, (X) 2019 (X) how likely do you think it is to hit Earth on February 1st, 2019? (X)
K: I don't (X) think ("HOPE NOT") it's (X) at all I don't think it's at all likely to hit us. (X X) But that's also perhaps academic because Griffith Observatory has declared Los Angeles (X) an asteroid impact-free zone.
M: (small laugh)
K: So we're clear no matter what. The thing is (X)
M: Did you get a lot of (X) calls about (X) this earlier this week? Yeah.
K: Yeah, we get (X) calls. And it is a very natural thing, ("YEAH") you know. First, it (X) inspires fear in some respects and obviously interest and it should. There's a nifty thing about (X) this and that is that for most of the (X) planet's history, four and a half billion years, nobody (X) has really been aware that the Earth gets hit now and then. No species. The dinosaurs didn't have the benefit of this (X) kind of knowledge. We do. (X) We're the first species on the planet, one that can know these things happen. And number (X) two, actually it's on the verge of being able to do something about it. (X) I think it's tremendously en(X)couraging that we may be the first (X) species on the (X) planet to be able (X) to avoid a (X) catastrophic (X) collision. Just takes a little bit more effort on our part. And that's what's going on now. That's why these stories (X) come out. We're in the middle of (X) collecting and (X) cataloguing, looking for these Earth (X) crossing asteroids, finding out (X) where they are. (X) Essentially, (X) getting the list of the bad guys so that (X) we can keep track of 'em. (X) This one has shown up ("BUB") as part of (X) the surveys, deliberately looking for it. And the initial (X) calculations (X) tell us it's going to hit the Earth. (X) Those are initial calculations based on (X) very limited data. Almost always, these (X) initial calculations (X) turn out to be wrong. That's the most likely (X) thing to happen.
M: Well we saw one (X) just a I don't know, about a month, (X) two months, three months ago that was the size of a soccer field, they said.
K: Yeah. (X)
M: And it was within 75,000 miles of Earth. They call that a near-miss. ("AA" or "A[T]") Three times the diameter of the Earth away, it (X) didn't seem that close to me. (X)
K: Personally, no.
M: Yeah.
K: But actually on the Solar System scale, (X) that was close. That's the (X) closest (X) asteroid passage we've ever observed. ("UM-HUH" X)
M: And we didn't know it (X) until it actually had passed, right?
K: That might be good because we probably would have worried about it more.
M: (small laugh) So but the fact is if there is one that's (X) going to hit, we may not know about it until
K: Of (X) course. We're looking just for the big ones. The ones that (X) can really ex(X)tinguish life.
M: Do we have more time with you?
K: Only if you like.
M: Alright. Dr. Krupp's sticking around and your phone calls. Those with you on the line, stay there. We'll get to you when we come back. (X) Coming up to midnight on Talk Radio 790 KABC. (X) Another hour with Dr. Krupp coming up. Stand by.
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M: (X) Six minutes after midnight on Talk Radio 790 KABC and we've got Dr. Krupp with us for another hour here to take your phone calls, your questions about basic astronomy are welcome at (gives number). And (X) did we cover all we need to cover about the asteroid on February 1st, 2019? Because that really is the big story and ("ONE") one of the reasons why I asked you to come in tonight.
K: I think it's really important for people to understand that this (X) kind of announcement is going to continue to happen where astronomers (X) make good faith (X) announcements of a (X) possible collision which is like crying wolf because over the course of the next few weeks (X) or months it'll be turning out that, 'No, it's not really going to impact at all.' (X) And that is strictly the process of observing the object (X) and calculating an orbit. The longer you observe, the better an orbit you get and therefore you reduce the error. (X) Right now, we've got a very preliminary orbit on this object. (X) And the only reason its become a real news story (X) is that it is, in fact, a fairly massive object. (X) If it did hit the Earth, it would make a mess out of a continent. (X) And so we care. (X) And, in fact, (X) it's I think a good signal for us to remember this is a hazard that we've just been completely unaware of. It's not around the corner every day but it is something that's eventually going to come.
M: When you first started in astronomy, did you (X) was this something that you thought about as objects from space that would hit the Earth and destroy life on the planet?
K: Not in the least. When I was a kid and getting interested in astronomy, number one: we all knew about Tunguska in 1908, the mysterious impact (X) and it was like an anomaly. It was a weird thing that happened. Well I guess stuff happens but hardly ever. (X) We never thought about meteor crater really a meteorite crater in Arizona. Yeah, you go visit it but there's a real (X) scar from a relatively recent (X) major impact. And we never thought about the dinosaur extinction that way. ("DD") Nobody even (X) imagined that (X) the dinosaurs
M: That came into vogue in what? About the (X) 19 late (X) '70s/early '80s?
K: Late '70s. That's exactly right. And Walter Alvarez from up in the bay area was really the scientist that (X) carried the data (X) forward and was able to demonstrate this. With a lot of (X) skepticism from other (X) quarters in the scientific community. But (or "BUT") he did the job right and was able to demonstrate that, in fact, that (X) impact occurred and now we know where it occurred. (X)
M: And it's in (X) South America?
K: Yucatan, Mexico. (X) On the tip of and in fact, you know, on one of the trips to Yucatan I took, you can actually (X) see these sinkholes (X) that are part of the ripple effect from this ancient impact. They're not the ("YOU KNOW" "THE") rocks hitting the ground there. That is actually (X) out to sea. But in the sort of the (X) shimmering of the Earth; the waves goes through it. It caused this limestone, in fact, (X) to have ripples of sinkholes (X) that are still there.
M: Alright. Let's (X) go to the phone lines. We'll take your phone calls your basic questions about astronomy for Dr. Krupp. And, by the way, if you can't get through on the phone lines tonight, (X) you can always (X) call the Griffith Observatory.
K: Sure.
M: The phones are still working there. You guys are (X) there are still people in(X)side the Observatory. It's just not open to the public.
K: There will always (X) be a voice of Griffith Observatory. And when the Griffith Observatory satellite opens and that'll be a temporary facility (X) on the south side of the zoo Los Angeles Zoo parking lot in Griffith (X) Park. (X) We will have a public component there with some exhibits, a mini-planetarium, demonstrations, (X) school shows and all of that. And, of course, telescope viewing as well.
M: Alright. Let's go to the phone lines. Hi, welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
19: Hello, Dr. Krupp?
K: Hi.
19: Hi. A question about the Moon. Does the Earth have any other natural satellite? (X)
M: Well that's a great question.
K: There are no known satellites of the Earth. There's obviously debris in orbit around the Earth. And there are places in the Earth's (X) orbit or orbits around the Earth where material, small particles and such can (X) can get locked into an orbit. But there are no big (X) objects at all (X) besides the Moon. It's the only natural satellite.
M: What do you think the biggest object that we don't know about (X) how big (X) could it be? Is it the size of a (X) a television? You know, a 20 inch television set or is it the size
K: That sounds right. Yeah, there could be stuff
M: That kind of size of stuff.
K: Yeah. (X)
M: Uh-huh.
K: Yeah. (X)
M: Alright. That's a great (X) question. Welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
20: Yeah. Thank you. This is (X) . . . from Santa Ana (X) and I have a thought. I talked to James Irwin years a(X)go at the Crystal Cathedral. And he'd mentioned (X) they brought back these rocks (X) from the Moon. (X) And I said, "Well did you find (X) anything?" And he (X) suggested (X) Dr. Krupp was the one who (X) told him that they found some rocks some life in those rocks. (X X) And I was waiting for the chance to get to talk to him and ask him about the life in those rocks. (X X)
M: Life in the rocks (X) from the Moon.
K: Well I think it must have been somebody else the ("THAT THAT") perhaps talked to astronaut Irwin (X) because it wasn't I, I'm sorry to say. And I (X) don't know of (X) any (X) evidence at all for life in Moon rocks. (X) The Moon does seem to be one of those places that just (X) doesn't harbor life and we haven't found a sign of it. People like to debate about (X) Mars and I don't think (X) we found life there either.
M: Well, you know, there's an interesting (X) question though here that (X) if (X) if the Moon was at one (X) time (X) part of the Earth (X) and it splintered off because an object (X "HH") an impact from the Earth (X) created the Moon, wouldn't you say that whatever life was on that (X) part that became the impact (X) to the Moon would have (X) remnants of life on it. (X)
K: The age of that event (X) is normally figured (X) to be (X) prior to the time of the development of life on the planet. (X)
M: Not even protozoa. Not even
K: No. This is very primordial. In the very early days of the Solar System. (X)
M: Okay. Good (X) question. Thank you, sir. Hi, welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. (X) Krupp.
18: Hi, can you hear me? The connection's kind of fuzzy.
M: Yeah, we're having a kind of a lousy (X) time with calls tonight. I'm not sure what that's about. But yeah, we hear you fine. Go ahead.
18: Okay. Hi, this is Louis. I was the one that asked the (X) quick (X) question about the flag on the Moon.
M: Oh yes. Alright.
18: I had another one (X) too I was hoping to ask because it (X) kind of a unique situation here. It's an astro-energy (X) question, which (X) would apply to both of you.
M: It sounds like it's going to be too complicated but let's hear what you've got.
18: Okay, I'll just (X) I'll just shoot it out there. I tried to (X) call last night when the guy was talking about nuclear energy. (X)
M: Uh-huh.
18: But I'd really like to hear you two guys' input on this. There's (X) something called (X) solar (X) powered satellites which is being studied, which basically would be grabbing energy from the Sun out in orbit through (X) satellites and then (X) transmitting a microwave (X) transmission down to a re(X)ceiving (X) station and (X) converting that to electrical energy. (X)
M: Okay, let's talk about the feasibility of that.
K: Well (X) from a technical point of view, it's obviously within reach of technology. It's a big job (X) but you can imagine (X) how you would do it. And (X) the (X) trick there is just how comfortable would you be with a microwave beam (X) transmitting energy down to the Earth and your ability to control (X) exactly where it was at all times.
M: Well in a sense we do that right now with satellite (X) television that, you know, I have a little (X) dish on my roof that's receiving microwave energy from a satellite. (X) Right?
K: Yah and no where near the (X) kind of
M: No. Right, it's not enough to (X) power it's an infinitesimally small amount of a
K: Yeah. (X)
M: That's why the (X) dish needs to focus that energy (X) into a very small (X) place. And yeah, it's certainly not enough electricity to power my house.
K: Yeah, right. Now I don't think, again, that these problems are insurmountable and (X) what we just don't really have a good handle on is this the best, (X) cost-effective way to handle the energy needs of the Earth? And maybe it will turn out that solar energy really is the best way and, in fact, bringing it down (X) is very feasible. But I think right now you're beyond the edge of our technology to do that in a way that we would (X) say is safe.
M: Are you into solar energy? Do you have solar panels on your roof at home?
K: I do not.
M: You do not.
K: No. My but
M: You don't believe in the Sun? I'm just kidding. ("OH I") I'm just kidding. (laughs)
K: No, I be, you know, it's (X) it's an embarrassment (X) but but, you know, that natural gas is just too convenient.
M: Uh-huh. (X) Right, exactly. Alright, thank you for the (X) call. Hi, welcome to KABC.
21: Would that be me?
M: Yes sir.
21: Ah (X) good. Thank you very much. Hello, Dr. Krupp.
K: Hi, how are you? (X)
21: And hi, Mr. (X) K.
M: Howdy. (X)
21: Yeah (or "YEAH" X), we (X) talked about this last night and I got permission to (X) call in again (X) tonight. (X) Does the moon rotate (X) on its axis?
K: It surely does.
21: It does?
K: It absolutely does.
21: How does it always (X) keep it's face (X) toward or why how is it that
M: This has come up and this is one we knew this was going to (X) come up (X) tonight. I don't know if you heard last night.
K: I didn't. No.
M: We were talking about this, yeah. (X) And I said, "This has come up before and it's actually a (X) question that I originally asked you is: "How is it that we always see the same side? We always see the man on the Moon always (X) facing the Earth and if the (X) Earth is spinning and the Moon is spinning, how can that be?"
K: Yeah. (X) Well it
M: I remember your answer from the last time.
K: (small laugh) (X) Give it away then.
M: Well it was you said it has to do with orbital mech(X)anics and it's not a coincidence. It just happens to be ("IT'S") it's a it's just how it is.
K: (small laugh)
M: No. Give me your answer. (X)
K: Well first the rate (X) at which the (X) Moon spins is locked in gravitationally to the to its (X) period around the Earth. (X) The that is (X) it takes the Moon the same amount of time to spin around on its axis (X) as it does to go around the Earth.
M: And that's not a coincidence.
K: No, that really isn't. It has to do with (X) drag. Gravitational drag (X X) both on the Earth and then back on the Moon. The interaction of these two (X) has caused this linkage over, (X) you know, the eons to occur. (X X) But if you think about it for a second, if the Moon didn't rotate and you just imagine it moving, (X) say, in a circle around the Earth, well then as it (X) moves around the Earth (X) just holding there steady for a second, (X) different sides of the moon have to become visible to us.
M: Right. (X)
K: But if the Moon is spinning at exactly the right rate, ("IT") that means it's it's (X) always just turning a little bit (X) to keep that face toward us. And that's what it does.
M: Does that mean that we always face the same side of the Sun as we're going around the Sun? (X)
K: No. The Sun also spins and ("SO") it, in fact and it spins at about (X) a rate of once a month as well but that's (X) totally unrelated to this other business with the Moon. (X) And so we in watching, say, sunspots, can see the Sun rotating. (X) And so everyday you watch the Sun come up and you'll see the same sunspot (X) having shifted its position a little bit around the Sun. (X) And so we see a different part of the Sun.
M: Why aren't we locked (X) in like the (X) Moon is locked in to our
K: The it has to do with the distances that are (X) involved. The in the case (X) of the Moon (X) and the Earth system, (X) you've got an interaction due (X) to (X) the (X) tides on the Earth. The Moon is (X) causing tidal friction on the Earth and that tidal friction in slowing down the Earth also imparts (X) an effect back to the Moon, which is what (X) causes the slowing of its rotation. (X)
M: 12:17 on Talk Radio 790 KABC. It's a tough concept to grasp.
K: Oh gosh, yeah.
M: It really is hard.
K: Yeah.
M: And when you're explaining it, I understand it (X) but yet if you asked me to explain (X) it again I think I wouldn't have much better wouldn't have a much better answer than the one I gave when we first (X) asked the question.
K: You just think of these fingers going around.
M: Yeah.
K: But on radio it's tough.
M: (small laugh)
K: (small laugh)
M: 12:17 (X) on Talk Radio 790 KABC. (X) More of your questions for Dr. Krupp. Basic (X) questions about astronomy are welcome at (gives number) right after we check the latest traffic. (traffic, promo, commercials) With Mr. KABC and the good Dr. Krupp from the Griffith Observatory (X) at 12:21. We'll continue with more of your phone calls. By the way you know, ("O[NE]") one of the reasons I love having you on is it's a slam dunk for me. (X) I have to do very, very little work. You have to do all the work (X) and I really appreciate you coming on.
K: It doesn't look (X) that way from here. You're like bouncing all over and (X) shuffling calls and everything.
M: (small laugh)
K: And asking questions.
M: Yeah, alright well
K: I'm astounded.
M: Alright. (X) Hi, welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
22: Hello Dr. Krupp.
K: Hi. (X)
22: Hi, Mr. (X) K.
M: Hey.
22: I was wondering (X) Rob has been (X) mentioning a (X) HOV lane?
M: This really has nothing to do with
22: Well I want to know if there's what it is and if there's one on the Moon?
M: Yeah. HOV would be the (X) high occupancy vehicle (X) lane and actually I did give you a story over there
K: You kind of did.
M: Let's talk about this. (X)
K: Okay.
M: This is a story from CNN (X) about inter ("AA") inter-(X)planetary highways.
K: Inner-planetary superhighways, yeah. (X) And actually it's a bonafide legitimate story. And (X) the (X) kind of thing that you don't think about a lot but is a natural consequence of our growing (X) sophistication with (X) spacecraft and traveling in space. We did a (X) great stunt years ago of sending the Voyager spacecraft out on what was (X) called like the grand tour and used the (X) slingshot gravitational slingshot effect of one planet to get it to the next one and (X) see a bunch of stuff for fairly cheap (X) that way because we didn't have a rocket that could just do the whole thing with brute force. (X) And that was regarded as extremely clever back then. And it was extremely clever. Well what we've found now in the news (X) story you pointed out is that (or "IS THAT" X) we've gotten even more (X) clever (X) and that there are other sources of gravitational energy, (X) smaller objects, objects in concert with other objects that we can use to sort of funnel our way through space. The reason we (X) can do this is primarily the fact that we've learned more about it. But also we have in(X)credible computing power ("NOW") compared to what we used to have and so you can do harder problems. (X) And what the result of this is (X) really economic ways of sending spacecraft out there.
M: We have not (X) sent any object (X) outside of our Solar System? (X) Or have we?
K: Not officially. ("ON") They're (X) getting (X) close. The two pioneer spacecraft are the farthest out. They haven't hit yet what you would (X) call the boundary (X) between where the Sun's in(X)fluence, of its radiation pouring out is sort of matched by that of stars (X) headed inward.
M: Do we get anything from those (X) those Pioneers?
K: Yeah. In fact, we ("I") there's an interesting story there. (X) The Pioneer 11 spacecraft just kind of went offline with ("AA") an (X) equipment failure at long last. I mean these spacecraft (X) have been working a lot longer (X) than they should've.
M: From the 1970s, right?
K: Yeah. ("BU[T]") But (X) Pioneer 10 is (X) still we're still in contact with Pioneer 10. (X) There was an (X) interesting story that just appeared in a reasonable popular scientific journal, New Scientist, (X) about (X) the strange behavior ("OF") Pioneer 10 and 11. They're going off in opposite directions and we think we know how (X) gravity is behaving in the Solar System (X) these two space probes are the farthest things we've sent out (X) that we're able to (X) track and they're not (X) quite doing exactly what we thought they would do.
M: Hmm. (or "HMM")
K: And nobody's (X) quite sure why.
M: Well (X) could it be the influence of another sun in another solar system?
K: It seems not. (X) It and especially because it's both of them going in opposite directions. (X) That would be a very natural and actually very intelligent suggestion. That's where (or "THAT'S WHERE") (X) I know it's intelligent because that's where I went first too but it doesn't work. And the other place that the investigators went is and they've been sitting on these data for . . . (end of tape side) . . . into the community, (X) you know, like 'Are we nuts or what?' (X) And I think it's going to precipitate an interesting analysis. And (X) and if it turns out that they're really are behaving (X) peculiarly, that'll be . . . news.
M: We can see planets in other solar systems so obviously we can see the suns in other solar systems.
K: That's what we really see, yeah.
M: Are they bigger than our Sun?
K: You bet. The stars (X) it's like a zoo of stars. Most of the stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, this huge collection of stars and (X) gas and dust (X) most of them are smaller than our Sun. They're what they call the red (X) dwarfs. Our Sun is ("OFF") often said is kind of like an average star in size and in brightness. (X) But there are stars that are much more massive, much hotter, much larger. For example, the star Antares and Scorpius the scorpion. You can (X) go out tonight and see that star. (X) It's just out in the south there: a big, (X) bright and kind of reddish star. (X) We put that in the center of our Solar System, (X) we're not only inside that star, Mars is inside that star. Mars is farther out than we are, one and a half times our distance from the Sun. (X)
M: I didn't get that. I didn't get it. I didn't
K: You take this star Antaries.
M: Yeah?
K: And you exchange our Sun for it.
M: Oh okay, yeah?
K: Okay, then we're (X) moving in orbit inside that star. It's that big that it envelops us. (X) We'd be inside that star if it were the Sun.
M: You mean we would we you mean ("R" X) our
K: Our orbit.
M: Our orbit. The full length of our orbit.
K: That's right.
M: Not just the planet Earth (X) because that's nothing.
K: That's right.
M: Yeah.
K: Yeah. Our orbit.
M: I see. Okay, I got it. Alright, (X) let's continue here with your questions about basic astronomy for Dr. Krupp. Welcome to KABC.
23: Yes, Dr. Krupp, (X) do you believe in a all-powerful God or do you believe in the theory where the asteroid
M: This isn't a question about basic astronomy. This is about religion and we can tackle that another time. Welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
24: Good morning. (X) Dr., have you analyzed the (X) pictures of the face on Mars taken by Viking, I think, and there's several other pictures taken. Also, there's supposed to be (X "HELP") pyramidal shapes up there along the, around the face. (X)
M: Face on Mars. Dr. Krupp, what do you know?
K: Yeah, I cannot (X) claim to have analyzed them in a professional and technical way. I sure have looked at them. (X) I've looked at the pictures from the very beginning. That's another picture I published very early in the Griffith Observer, you know, because it was (X) so funny and you had no idea it was going to turn into a big deal. (X) But, in fact, (X) I think we have (X) very solid evidence (X) that with good light (X) and close up pictures (X) the face on Mars is no longer a face but is, in fact, a natural land form and you can (X) see all the detail. The pyramids on Mars that are often touted along with the face you know, sort of like ancient Egypt only weird because it's on Mars and it's like the Sphinx and the Pyramids, (X) well those pyramids, they're not like Earth pyramids at all, either in size or in shape. (X) In fact, many of them are like three-sided pyramids so this whole line of argument (X) about (X) how they're artificial (X) doesn't really hold up at all. And when you look at those pictures as the best pictures we've got, (X) they too look like natural formations.
M: Welcome to KABC. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
25: Dr. Krupp
K: Yeah? (X)
25: I wanted to ask you a question. Have we found out on any other (X) planets, do they have natural phenomenons like (X) we have earth(X)quakes and volcanic eruptions (X) or floo(ds), you know?
K: Yeah. And that's actually a very good question because it has a lot to do with, you know, how planets work. And some (X) some planets (X) don't have (X) the kinds of (X) tectonic or seismic activity that produce earthquakes. And some planets (X) that are so gaseous (X) are so unlike the (X) Earth you wouldn't get anything like that. But we see things, in fact, reminiscent to effects on Earth (X) also on the moons of other worlds. We see volcanoes (X) on other worlds. (X) We see (X) active geysers (X) on other worlds. In this case, on the moons. But there are sulphur volcanoes on one of Jupiter's moons, Io. (X) There are geysers on one of the moons of Neptune.
M: Geysers spewing water?
K: No. No, they're spewing other weird stuff. Yeah, other gasses and material but it's the same kind of a geyser effect. Now water is a whole different thing. (X) There is one planet in the Solar System (X) that has liquid water on its surface.
M: Mars.
K: Uh-uh.
M: Not Mars.
K: One planet in the Solar System that has liquid water (X) on its surface. (X)
M: I don't know who you're thinking of.
K: It's Earth.
M: (small laugh) Oh I thought that there has been some (X)
K: Nah, that
M: talk about water
K: Nah
M: at the poles
K: There there is
M: of Mars.
K: No. There is (X) ice.
M: I(ce) well okay, it's frozen water.
K: A different thing. Different thing.
M: Why? (X)
K: Well because it's frozen for one thing. I mean you don't get any rainbows out of frozen water.
M: Okay.
K: It's interesting. It's actually extremely interesting that there's frozen water. And now the most recent observations
M: That's accepted now? That that's the case?
K: Oh it's better than accepted. The most recent stuff (X) shows that there's a great deal under the (X) immediate surface of Mars of frozen water. Like (X) permafrost. A lot more water (X) definitely there. (X) It had been speculation up until just these recent released analyses but now the water seems to be there as ice. (X) As ice. And so, (X) you know, it's not like oceans-worth but it's significant. There's it would be
M: Well there could be oceans underneath the ice at the poles, right?
K: I think that lakes (X) is probably more ("LL") like it. And in there on Mars too it's probably (X) cold enough and with such a low (X) atmospheric pressure it (X) probably is frozen as opposed to liquid. (X)
M: Do you think we'll (X) see men on Mars (X) before (X) 2019, (X) before the asteroid comes and kills us all . . .
K: Well that might kind of encourage us. (small laugh)
M: Yeah.
K: 2019 is
M: 17 years from now, (X) you think we'll have a Mars exploration?
K: It (X) I don't think it's looking good for
M: No.
K: by then. (X) But I wish we did. (X "HH")
M: What about these (X) low-cost rockets now that (X) for $100,000 they can put you into (X) they're saying that (X) there's a (X) company that says in within (X) five years, four years, we'll for a hundred grand be able to bring you up (X) to the International Space Station. (X)
K: There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do that. (X) I just don't want to be (X) part of a rocket recall.
M: (laughs) (X) You wouldn't take that chance? (X)
K: No.
M: Because you could probably beg, borrow and steal a hundred grand, right? (X)
K: That's another reach, Mr. K. (small laugh)
M: (laughs) Well I mean if you (X) could and you felt like it was reasonably safe?
K: Oh I'd go.
M: You'd go, right?
K: Oh heck yeah.
M: Yeah.
K: Oh yeah, I the view, are you (X) kidding? I mean this is yeah, the (X) the we (X) are (X) privileged to get to survey the (X) planet and the more you survey the (X) planet, the better it is. Yeah, I'd from the surface, it's (X) great. I'd love to get up above it. (X)
M: Well from the number of people who've made it to the International Space Station, that doesn't seem like its inconceivable that someone with your reputation and your knowledge and your ("YEAH") well you'd be pretty high on the list of people to go, wouldn't you?
K: No, I don't think so. There are lots of (X) first, they're sending folks up (X) primarily, with the exception of a few entrepreneurial types who've got the bucks to ("Y[EA]H") essentially (X) buy a ticket.
M: If Lance Bass from 'N Sync (X) can go, why can't you?
K: Well ("YEAH") because he's got the $20 million
M: He's got the bucks, yeah.
K: or whatever it is.
M: Right.
K: And you know you can't fault that. I mean but that's what the ticket (X) costs.
M: It just seems so wrong. (X)
K: I no, I don't know if it's wrong.
M: (small laugh)
K: The it (X) filters, you know, the system. But the people that are sent up by governments (X) for bonafide work, that's a whole screening and training process. It's (X) not just a joyride. (X) If I were going up, it would (X) clearly be a joyride although I, you know, I think (X) that I'd be (X) I'd be a very appreciative joyrider. (X)
M: Well I but you also have an under(X)standing and a knowledge that the average astronaut doesn't have. That's why they all come to you when they get back to Earth. (X)
K: No no no no, the astronauts are very bright folks and
M: I'm not saying they're not bright folks
K: And very
M: but they don't know what you know about (X) about orbital mechanics, about
K: Oh yeah. No no, they're (X) a lot of astronomers go up in space. They're instrument specialists. (X) They're they do (X) very (X) fancy research and they've got a background and education that makes them experts. World experts. The difference between them and me is I'm just more talkative. (X) No, they're very talented folks.
M: Alright. (X) 12:33 on Talk Radio 790 I'm just hoping maybe someone's listening that can put you on the International (X) Space Station.
K: Well you know if
M: Except you wouldn't want to live on that thing for three months, would you? You wouldn't want to do that?
K: Oh if that's what it took, sure.
M: Oh my God. ("HOW")
K: Look at (X) the (X) view. Look at the ("D" X)
M: For three months?
K: Oh I can handle that. (X)
M: I mean it's like going to the Grand Canyon. It's beautiful for (X) the first 20 minutes ("BUT") you know, you were going to spend three months there? (X)
K: You know, I think I would just (X) collect information and think about what I'd be saying and writing. (X "OKAY") Yeah. I'm ready for it.
M: (small laugh)
K: (small laugh) (X)
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26: Hello, do you hear me?
M: Yeah, we hear you just find. Say hi to Dr. Krupp.
26: Oh I'm sorry. Yes, I was just (X) wondering how the phenomena can be (X) explained that (X) when we have a (X) solar (X) eclipse, that the Moon is the (X) exact di