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(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED "COAST TO COAST A.M." FOLLOWING THE FIRST HALF HOUR OF THE MONDAY, MARCH 26, 2001 BROADCAST WHEN ART BELL SAID THAT THE COUNTER AT HIS WEBSITE HAD FROZEN UPON REACHING ALL SIXES. AT ONE POINT HE MENTIONED THE ANTI-CHRIST. MY CALL WAS RECORDED ON THE CUSTOMIZED SLOW SPEED OF MY SONY MICROCASSETTE-CORDER M-950, LOSING SOME TAPE AUDIBILITY AT THIS SETTING.)
A: Hi, do you want to go on the air?
Q: Sure.
A: Hold on.
R: . . . on the toll-free international line, call your AT&T operator and have them dial (gives number). This is "Coast to Coast A.M." with Art Bell on the Premiere Radio Network.
(bumper music in background is "Sky High" performed by Jigsaw)
A: Oh top of the morning everybody or evening, depending on where you are I suppose. So much going on out there and I haven't even mentioned Mad Cow Disease or Hoof and Mouth yet. That's all over the news too. There are just so many things going on. It's hard to know where to begin but begin we shall right after this. (commercials follow) And with a crack of thunder we go to open lines. Here comes anything, everybody. Next segment . . . Wild card line, you're on the air. Good morning.
Q: Hi, Art. I think that you've just got to stop with this antichrist stuff. It's just (or "IT'S JUST") well I think you're making a lot of people very nervous.
A: Think so? ("AND I")
Q: And I tried to talk to Barbara and John Hogue about this but it's a metaphor. Therefore anyone
A: You know something I wondered about a lot and you might have some comment on this for me, alright? It was about a year ago. I was playing this. I wonder if you remember it. (horn or bugle excerpt is heard) Do you know what that is?
Q: No, I don't think I was listening then.
A: You don't know what that sound is?
Q: Is it a foxhunt? ("OF SOME KIND")
A: A foxhunt?! That's Gabe's horn. Gabriel. Blowing the horn.
Q: Well I do know on your prediction show caller number sixty-six never made it to the air and I thought that was rather curious.
A: . . . I did too but I mean do you understand what Gabe's horn means?
Q: Well that's a metaphor too.
A: Well for what?
Q: Well
A: The end of the world?
Q: you're not exactly the most Christian of
A: Yeah, that's right.
Q: radio show hosts.
A: You're absolutely right. I'm not.
Q: But
A: But you mean even I know that.
Q: Well
A: It's the apocalypse. The horsemen.
Q: Well I've always thought
A: Concrete walls crumbling, homes and businesses coming down. Basically (Art plays horn or bugle excerpt again) the end of the world.
Q: Well I think of it in terms of a metaphor so I think that we're all
A: You don't need a metaphor for that. ("I") So, see, I was wondering some time ago when they're actually playing Gabe's horn like that might in itself be a social metaphor inserted into the public consciousness.
Q: Are you sure that's Gabriel's horn or is that Michael's horn?
A: . . . That's Gabe's horn.
Q: Are you confusing Gabriel and Michael?
A: I might be. But Gabe was an angel. ("BLUE")
Q: So was Michael. And a lot of
A: So was Michael? I'm pretty sure it was Gabe's horn.
Q: A lot of the archangel
A: No, that was Gabe's horn.
Q: A lot of the archangel tales, however, can be traced back to Michael.
A: Well I know but I think it's Gabe that toots the horn. I don't know. Anyway (line disconnected so I then recorded from the radio broadcast) you get what I mean. You were saying a metaphor. This metaphor better not be messing around with the antichrist is why might be a metaphor that somehow gets introduced to the public consciousness and comes true. So I was wondering about Gabe's horn. East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hi.
L: Hi. My name is Lee.
A: And where are you, Lee?
L: And I'm calling from Knoxville, Tennessee.
A: Knoxville, alright.
L: Yes sir. And I just wanted to say hello. Welcome back.
A: Thank you. What's your radio station there? Do you know?
L: Yes. It's WNOX.
A: WNOX.
L: Yes. 99 AM.
A: Way to do it.
L: I don't know how much power we put out here but
A: Enough for you to be hearing . (small laugh)
L: Oh yes.
A: Anyway, welcome to the program.
L: Okay. Well thank you. I just wanted to make a couple of comments and, well, one of the things that the last lady was saying and you were saying about the horn of Gabriel or whatever?
A: Yes.
L: And that meaning ("LIKE") being the end of the world? As I understand it, that's just the beginning of a new world.
A: Or beginning of the end. I mean a lot of people
L: Right. The end of the way we're living now and
A: Yeah, however you want . . .
L: that kind of thing.
A: Some of the New Age people come on here a lot and say, "Oh there's going to be a new change." Well I try to pin them down: "Well what would that be? Most of the world's population will die?" "Well yes."
L: Yeah.
A: That's what they were saying.
L: Right. Okay well what I've got to the comments I've got to make is sort of along that line.
A: Then make it.
L: I know that you deal a lot with the paranormal and esoteric
A: Me?
L: like material and
A: Me. Moi?
L: alternative religions and especially ("NO") weather changes and your
A: I wouldn't talk about crazy stuff like that. Weather changes.
L: Ha ha. Oh yeah. Well . . .
A: What is your point, sir?
L: Okay. My point is, first off, one comment. I believe that because of all these problems that we're having, it's going to take divine intervention to solve them.
A: Well, that wouldn't be the cause. In other words, who knows what's causing it. You may be right about it taking divine intervention to stop them or to slow them down or to avert them. Anything short of that may not work. But I don't think well he could be right. I mean divine intervention could also be the cause. Ha ha ha. Think about that. West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello. . . . (the last call of the hour follows) . . . East of the Rockies, you're on the air. Good morning. Going once.
E: Yes.
A: Oh there you are there. ("AA" or "UH")
E: Yes. Is this Mr. Bell?
A: Why yes it is.
E: My lucky day. Looks like it
A: Well maybe.
E: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
A: What's up? . . .
E: Uh ("I[T]") it would be interesting if you could put your antichrist line on.
A: I just had my antichrist line on Friday night/Saturday morning. Where were you?
E: And then have the Lord and his christ on at the same time.
A: Have who? I didn't hear you.
E: . . . The Lord and his christ on at the same time.
A: . . . You mean like have a savior line?
E: Does that bother you?
A: Nn (or "NN") No. No no no, savior line or maybe even a God's representative line?
E: Well maybe it would be interesting to get the two powers together. I think it's going to be interesting. What do you think?
A: The dark side and the light side battling it out right here on my program.
E: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
A: I love it, sir. I love it. Would you like to be representative of the light side?
E: Mr. Bell?
A: Yes?
E: Sometimes the sins of the few can affect whole communities.
A: That is profound oh he hung up. He hung up?! Just when I was going to give him the
opportunity to represent the light side against one of the antichrists. He ran away.
My my, at Waterloo Napoleon did surrender
("Waterloo" performed by Abba bumper music begins)
A: "My my" is right.
Oh yeah
And I have met my destiny in quite a similar way . . .
A: Well the devil's in the details and the details are in our server right now. Keith Rowland is
working hard or maybe he's done it and he's on the way back home by now. Who knows?
. . . Waterloo
I was defeated, you won the war
Waterloo
Promise to love you forever more
Waterloo
Couldn't escape if I wanted to . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED DURING THE APRIL 1, 2001 BROADCAST OF "DREAMLAND.")
S: Thank you for calling "Dreamland." Who's this?
Q: Hi. This is Mark.
S: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: From L.A.
S: Alright, Mark in L.A. You have a question or comment for Colin Wilson?
Q: Sure I do.
S: Okay. Just turn off the radio. Listen to the show through the phone and when you hear Whitley call for you, you'll be on the air.
Q: Okay.
S: Thanks.
W: . . . that are hanging out there, unaddressed by conventional science. They have to be addressed. They cannot be ignored. If they are ignored, then the established view that is wrong. Wrong. . . . And does it have anything to tell us about what may happen to us? This is what I really am going to get into in detail with Colin for the rest of the show. And that is what about now? Did they point to this period as the period of great danger? We all sense that things are changing. How serious is that and has the past got the message for us? ("NO") Whitley Strieber's unknowncountry is powered by korax.net stands ready to be your webhosting provider. Also we have every week a new logo for "Dreamland." If you go to the website go to unknowncountry.com click on this week's "Dreamland" logo and it gets that takes you directly to the "Dreamland" page, where incidentally you can find Colin Wilson's Web address and all sorts of additional information about him and about his co-author Rand Flem-Ath. The "Dreamland" if you click on the "click here for full view," then you will see this wonderful image that our resident masthead artist, Dana Augustine, created for us his impression of this sort of lost civilization. It's very, very beautiful and it's well worth clicking on to take a look at. Okay, in a couple of minutes, we're going to be back with Colin Wilson. We're going to be back with Colin Wilson. We're going to be talking about 100,000 years ago what happened to them and what that might mean to us right now. This is Whitley Strieber. It's "Dreamland." We'll be right back. (commercials) This is Whitley Strieber, it's "Dreamland, we're back with Colin Wilson. Colin, we've been talking about so many things. I'd like to focus in on whatever it is that causes shifts to happen and how close might be we be from one now.
C: Well at first there seems to be a lot of strong evidence what happened ("VERY OLD") is that some space visitor, so to speak, gets a little too close to the Earth and affects the surface of the Earth by pulling it on this liquid mantle just underneath it. Professor Alexander Tolman of Vienna has studied this in great detail. His dating is slightly different from our dating. He says that there is definite evidence that some enormous space body came close to the earth in 7500 B.C., broke into seven pieces, which hit the Earth in several different places and obviously caused enormous catastrophes. He's actually written a book about this. The difference two thousand years between his estimate and ours means and we haven't really gone into it but his is the soundest book so far written on this notion that, you know, things actually do pass too near the earth. Another possibility which has been brought up by a man called Morris Cuatro (phonetic spelling)who is fascinated by the astronomy of ancient Mexico and of South Americais the notion the Sun is behind all this. He has created an astrology a kind of astrology, anyway, in which in fact we see that the sun has different cycles which fairly explain all types of interesting things. Now I forgot to tell you that his scenario is pretty horrific in the sense of all of these ancient civilizations believed that a long great cycle is coming fairly close to its end. The end is in 2012. It is believed . . . that there will be a reversal in the sun's magnetic field, which will probably I keep saying that because I don't believe it myself means that probably the Earth will turn onto its side in which we get another Atlantean-type catastrophe.
W: What basis do they have? I can understand you not wanting to believe it. I don't want to believe it either. But is there anything to it?
C: Well certainly the Maya and various others appear to have had an enormous, quite extraordinary knowledge of astronomy. And he argues that they knew so much about it, it proves that it is a far, far older science than anybody thought. And this is, you see, what I'm interested in proving so this is the part of his ideas that I focus upon. And, do you know, this notion that astronomy, in fact, is far more ancient than anybody thought seems to be proved by what you mentioned just before the break. The temple in Dendura, Egypt the Temple of Hathor on the ceiling in the temple in Dendura, there is a zodiac actually there are two zodiacs, one imposed upon another. And the second zodiac appears to show that the ancient Egyptians knew about procession of the equinoxes. In fact, calculations going backwards . . .
W: As the Earth slowly wobbles back and forth on its path. Over a 26,000-year period. Yeah.
C: Yeah. (or "YEAH") Right. And he seems to have proved fairly conclusively that, in fact, the temple at Dendura showed that the ancient Egyptians knew about this. ("NO") We are fairly certain that the ancient Egyptians built the Great Pyramid as a kind of model ("OF") of the Earth. One of the tutors of Ptolemy said that the perimeter of the Great Pyramid is, I think is, something like one-half of an eighth of a degree of the Equator. In fact, if you, so to speak, expand the perimeter of the Great Pyramid to the size of the Earth, it takes absolutely and precisely the height of the Great Pyramid is focusing where the North Pole is it certainly looks as if the ancient Egyptians knew the precise size of the Earth and the fact that the Earth was round. But for me the most interesting, most fascinating anecdote that there is about all this is the anecdote about this enormous number which
W: Yeah but
C: Ninevah number.
W: This is the most extraordinary part of the book. Let's talk about the Nineveh number.
C: Yeah. (or "YEAH") Okay. Well this is something I discovered by chance. When I was sailing down the Nile three or four years ago, the people in the next cabin asked me had I come across this book which they had brought along with them by a man called Maurice Chatelain who was a space engineer who'd actually arranged the communication system on the first moon satellite. So he knew a hell of a lot. By the way
W: On the first on the Apollo moon launch.
C: The Apollo. Yeah.
W: Yeah, right.
C: Yeah. (or "YEAH") So let me just insert here that what he said was that there was definite evidence that, in fact, Apollo was followed . . . and I mean he would know because he was deeply involved in that. In other words . . . prudently, the UFO business.
W: Well I know a number of Apollo astronauts, some of them very well, and they saw unusual things that were unexplained indeed. ("UH-HUH")
C: Anyway, . . . in this interesting book which is called Our Cosmic Ancestors by Maurice Chatelain . . . Now (or "NOW") Chatelain mentioned that in the mid-19th Century, when they were digging for the first time in Mesopotamia in the palace that Ashur-bani-pal the Assyrian king, they discovered enormous numbers on a slab. One of these numbers actually ran to fifteen digits. And everyone was rather puzzled by it but then . . . this was all about. ("NOW") Chatelain remembered something. He remembered that the Assyrians were the direct descendants of the Babylonians. The Babylonians were the direct descendants of the Sumerians that were around 84,000 B.C. And the Sumerians are very interesting because . . . they invented seconds . . . They divide the hour into minutes and the minute into sixty seconds.
W: What we use. We use sixty because of them. Because they divided everything by six from ten . . .
C: Absolutely right. . . . using this . . . of this huge fifteen-digit number by seconds. So what he did was try translating this huge number into years. And he worked . . . Now when he looked at it closely he discovered it had an amazing characteristic. The orbit of every single planet and planetoid in the Solar System divided into it quite precisely. ("NOW") Now that meant that whoever had created this number had known about the orbits of every planet in the Solar System.
W: My word. Now that wasn't that's not published anywhere at all.
C: . . . amazing book from . . .
W: Chatelain but what did and also discussed . . . in . . . The Atlantis Blueprint I might add, to let listeners know that Colin and Rand Flem-Ath picked up on this in a very wonderful way in their book. Why well I guess it's not a really even a question where that why wouldn't the more conventional archaeologists picked up on the . . . because I already know the answer. The answer is they are not poly. . . they tend to be very specialized. . . especially when it comes to mathematics. Forget it. Okay, we have the phone are loaded, by the way, so let's we're going to get to the phones . . .
C: We haven't finished my story yet.
W: I know we haven't so let's get back to it.
C: (small laugh)
W: Great. I'm sorry about that. Yeah, so go ahead. Colin, are you there?
C: I'm here but I can't hear a thing.
W: Okay, well can you hear me talking?
C: I can hear you.
W: Okay well just go ahead with your story then because we can hear you.
C: Oh I see. So he got this enormous number, which was going to show that they knew God knows how long ago the Sumerians . . . all of these things about the planets of the Solar System. ("NOW") When he tried dividing the Solar year, the Earth's orbit into this giant number, he found that in the sixth decimal . . . there were just a few . . . there was a slight variation. And this puzzled him because it could be so incredibly accurate with all the other planets . . . Then he remembered something. The Earth is slowing down very, very slowly at the rate of about 1/12,000,000th of a second per year. Of this he made allowances a bit . . . when the . . . Nineveh number was created, the Earth was spinning slightly faster. And when he worked out what that was, it was 65,000 years ago.
W: Oh my word.
C: 65,000 years ago, it appears, you've got brilliant mathematicians who were able to create this enormous Nineveh number that also gives you the orbit of every planet in the Solar System. That for me is one of the most convincing pieces of evidence I've ever come across. What's more, he also discovered that the Maya in a place called . . . I call Quiriga again in Quiriga, and this is around about 5,000 years later than Sumeria, they discovered a stone with some huge figures on it. Well once again Chatelain worked out these figures by days, not seconds. Once again, he discovered he got multiples of the Nineveh number. The Nineveh number was known to the Maya 5,000 years later.
W: So I've learned.
C: In some kind of great universal knowledge of astronomy and mathematics that applied to both these ancient civilizations.
W: That was preserved for years.
C: And so what I'm saying if . . . had been 20.000 years ago there was a pretty complex civilization that knew all about the stars, all about the heavens.
W: You know, the thing the one thing in the book that struck me as being so incredibly convincing about this whole idea of really, really ancient past civilizations is the story of the campfires found on the isle of Flores that were 800,00 years old made by before we even looked like we do now when we were more primitive creatures, they would have us believe anyway. And they were traveling that long ago out of sight of land, across the ocean. . .
C: The main thing that interests me about that. We're talking about our human ancestor, Homo erectus, which was around two million years ago. . . an ape. Little more than an ape. . . Without language. Probably just a grunt. But what this appears to show these discoveries on the island of Flores . . . appear to show that Homo erectus had built rafts. They sailed across the . . . obviously because they needed more territory. ("TO HELP") You can't build a raft if you're an ape. What's more, you can't build a raft if you don't have language. You have language if you're going to do something as complex as that. It looks as if our ancestors maybe a million years ago had language in able to build a raft.
W: But the thing that's so convincing if had language to build rafts 800,000 years ago and then did nothing else for the next 792,000 years until the current civilization came along, I just don't buy it any more. That fact alone just kills it for me. Okay, listen, we've got loads of calls. We're coming up on the top of the hour. I want to get to the phones so let's go to Mark in L.A. Hi, Mark.
Q: Good evening, Whitley and good morning, Colin. I have a question for Colin. I think a key question for someone who's done as much research ("THAT") as he has done in the paranormal over the yearsand I have some Wilson ancestry myself so I don't know what that's all aboutbut reading some of his works and hearing him speak tonightfor example, on the suicides of the scientistsI do see some dark overtones but I was hoping to hear what optimistic conclusion he might've reached over the years. And I wouldn't mind hearing something about God and spirituality or sexuality or whatever he would care to say.
W: Okay, Colin?
C: Basically, as Whitley observed earlier in the program, I am totally optimistic because I've seen that all human beings have this same capacity for the peak experience bubbling, overwhelming happiness. This seems to me to be another name for spirituality.
W: Colin, we're going to have to get into this across the top of the hour. The news is coming up and when we get back we will stay with your calls for Colin (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED "COAST TO COAST A.M." ON APRIL 8, 2001.)
S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Please hold. (places me on hold) Thank you for holding. Can I get your first name please?
Q: Sure. This is Mark.
S: Where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: From L.A. (pause) And I'm listening on the Internet.
S: Alright. Hold on.
I: . . . so cool, you know, that I was doing something that was "kick-ass." And so I've decided every day now I'm going to try to do one thing that's "kick-ass." And in as much as it is already now in the east already Monday, then I'm going to start off my Monday by doing something really "kick-ass," which is a kick-ass show. Crypto is the name of the book: How the Code Rebels Beat the Government Saving Privacy in the Digital Age. The author is Steven Levy who is a Newsweek writer. Many of you read his stuff regularly. I'm sure some of you might know him from his book Hackers. He's one of the guys ("THAT IS") responsible for bringing that word into the vocabulary, in fact. But this is a real-life, full-scale account of the great code war that took place under your very nose. Most people are unaware of this dramatic, real-life thriller, which is described as a highly readable blend of geniuses at work, sci-fi and political intrigue. It's an amazing story. Crypto: How the Code Rebels Beat the Government Saving Privacy in the Digital Age. And we'll talk to Steven about not already the battle that has already taken place, the war that as already been won; but the war that is yet to come in keeping the Internet out of the handsas much as possibleof the government. And we'll talk about it next hour. . . . believe me, I've got some stories here in crypto news which should not be believed. At least one of them absolutely should not be believed. And one of the stories is just on its own highly unbelievable but true. And we'll get to the latest accusations about the Foot and Mouth Disease as well next along with open lines on "Coast to Coast A.M." My name is Ian Punnett. . . . let's go to the phones. And remember that whenever we do open lines on "Coast to Coast," you are welcome to take this show in any direction that you would want. Just remember that there are millions of people listening. And let's go to the wild card line Los Angeles where . . . (BEEP) on open lines on "Coast to Coast A.M." Mark, where are you taking us?
Q: Hi, Ian. Well it's been a couple of months since we last spoke. And, anyway, I've called "Coast to Coast" and "Dreamland" many times during the last four years but I don't know how much listeners are able to comprehend from a few minutes here and there. I know I've tried to get a reaction about the testament.org website from some of the hosts and I haven't really heard anything yet. And I've talked about EVP. The last time I played some and actually when I heard it on the archive edition it was very, very clear even though the first ones really weren't very clear when I was playing them.
I: Well just for people who've never heard you before and aren't following your case, what is it that you want them to know?
Q: Well I've talked about the hearing EVP over the broadcasts as well as in interviews on magnetic recording tape
I: Explain what that means. Yes, just make sure explain what that means for people who've never heard you before. ("E[L]")
Q: Electronic voice phenomena?
I: Um-huh. ("UM")
Q: Well basic
I: What does that mean for them? That we're that you're hearing that everybody else is missing?
Q: Well, for example, as I had played on a previous show, in the middle of ("SOME") UFO witnesses' comments, you could hear the word "NO" very clearly during their speech. And this is a phenomenon that can be heard on almost all recording tape as well as broadcasts but people just edit it out because they don't understand it and they just don't think that something (like that) is possible. ("BUT") Listening to the interviews on "Coast to Coast A.M.," it's something that I'm very aware of and it really helps me to key in on what someone is how correct they are about their observations. Especially where spiritual subjects are (concerned)
I: Then you suppose from that somebody is they're or an entity is there editorializing
as the other person is speaking?
Q: Helping. Yes, it's the Christ Force, the Angel Mighael there are many different names for it. And, of course, what I believe is that by looking at the famous paranormal cases throughout history you do get a clear perception of this Force. Such as Madame Blavatsky, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce. Another one might even be John C. Lilly who basically experimented with a tape loop. And in repeating the same word for fifteen minutes, he realized that one may hear as many as thirty different words other than the one which is on the tape loop. So there is a psychic something psychic going on here as well.
I: Okay, now what is it that, as you heard me speak before, that you've ever heard said behind me or on top of me or . . .
Q: Well, of course, last time you even made a few puns after we spoke ("WHICH I") which I thought was quite appropriate. But sometimes when you're talking to somebody and asking them about spirituality ("AND" "I WOULD") I remember one time you cared about being a "sinister minister" but today I was listening to a tape and I heard some spirit messages. One of them was "IAN." Another one was "PRINCE." I don't know if they're still playing that "Prince of Darkess" bit.
I: Yeah, I don't know.
Q: Another one was by the way, I should ask you have you found any coinsthat's another way that the Angelic Force has communicated with merecently?
I: House pennies?
Q Like pennies? Hmm?
I: No. Haven't found any coins.
Q: You might look around. ("AND") For me, for example, when I see a penny it's usually a good sign and dimes and quarters are more difficult.
I: Okay.
Q: But
I: Are we talking about American money?
Q: Yeah.
I: Okay.
Q: Yes, ("SINCE") since I live in L.A.
I: Well no, I'm just checking because I mean I'll find change around my house. But I mean I don't find it, you know, in the sense where I'm walking down the sidewalk and there's a big bright shiny penny waiting in the middle of the sidewalk. I mean I haven't had that experience lately.
Q: Well this is something that I've noticed in other cases. ("LIKE") Even reading about ("LIKE") the Heaven's Gate supposed suicides, there was a journal entry where they had found some change before what happened to them. And what I was saying before about looking at the famous paranormal cases. ("IF YOU") By juxtaposing each one, you can really see a clear picture of the phenomenon. It doesn't really for you, for example, many times I feel that you're gritting your teeth because you would like to really comment more (about) then what your guest is saying but ("YOU") you sort of want to give them free rein.
I: Exactly.
Q: And that might be a
I: Well I'd be the first to cop to that.
Q: And that might be at odds to with what's going on with your ministerial training. But, for example, in John C. Lilly's near fatal experiments with LSD for example, he described himself as being a single point of consciousness who encounters what he describes as two similar points of consciousness who told him that he separated them into two because that is his way of perceiving them but that in reality they are one and then discuss oneness. And Lilly even wrote that they even told him that they are with him always. So this was his personal God and Christ experience.
I: Well that's interesting. I would say it's always a pleasure to talk to you. I don't have a conflict in the sense of that. I (or "I") I think there's a lot of things about this show that are a lot of fun and very informative and your call was one of them. But there are times lots of times when I try to take myself and my own opinion out of the conversation with the guest if I think it's going to prevent that guest from clearly elucidating their own point. And I'm happy to do that. ("AND THEY") It's not really gnashing of the teeth or anything. ("JUST") I bite my tongue most of the time. Sometimes too I get like a little dribble of blood going down my chin. Coming up after the top of the hour we'll get to more open lines on the way soon. I hope you hang on for them. Crypto: How the Code Rebels Beat the Government Saving Privacy in the Digital Age. Where were you in the great code war? And where will you be when the battle starts again? Coming up on "Coast to Coast A.M." My name's Ian Punnett. (I don't recognized the bumper music)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So Christopher was one of the callers after my call and said if we repent and change, we can change the destiny of what will happen.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: FEELING DISCOURAGED BY THE LACK OF ADVERTISING FOR THE PSYCHIC FAIR WHERE I WOULD HAVE A BOOTH ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, I DECIDED TO CALL MR. KABC ON WEDNESDAY EVENING APRIL 18, 2001.)
M: 7:53. (bumper music is "My Sharona" performed by The Knack) Eight minutes no, that'll be seven minutes before the hour of 8. This is Talk Radio 790. I am Mr. KABC. And the three quiz questions next hour and actor Ian Gomez will be here as well and we'll take your phone calls. He's in one of my favorite shows: "Felicity." Actually, it's my favorite broadcast television show. And also he's you know him from the TV show "The Norm Show" and also from "The Drew Carey Show." Anyway, we'll go to the phone lines. We'll continue with your phone calls. And we'll start here with you. Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
U: Hi.
M: Hi.
U: The national debt. You're absolutely right. We should be paying it down and I actually like the Bush tax cut because I make more money but I don't think the national debt will ever be paid down. I really don't trust . . .
M: And I'm not you know what, I'm not even suggesting that it needs to be paid completely down. It just seems to me that it should be a priority when, you know, you know that compounded interest makes the money that you owe exponentially greater over time whereas income is linear. And for that reason I really think it's something that should be a priority. And for whatever reason Americans don't seem to care.
U: Ask Ira Fistell. A lot of the people think it's bad to pay it down. The book Bankruptcy 1995 tells you what happens if you go into hyperinflation.
M: Alright.
U: I think that book is like the epitome
M: So you'd like things to go just like they're going? You think it's a good plan for our future?
U: No, I think the debt ought to be paid down lower than it is by quite a bit. . . .
M: Okay. Well then we're on the same page. That's all I've been saying. Hi, you're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
Q: (off the air) Hi, Mr. KABC?
C: . . . Hi. How ya doing?
M: I'm better than most, not as good as some.
C: Great. I just wanted to tell you that you're right about spending ("HELP") about that Amer(icans) you know, that we should have some fiscal responsibility.
M: Here comes the "but."
C: But you know hello?
M: Here comes the "but."
C: But (small laugh) but I like the tax cut. The only reason is . . .
M: I know because you like the idea this is the ("NO") Machiavelli wrote a book called I think it's The Little Prince. It's either The Prince or
C: The Prince.
M: The Prince? Alright.
C: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
M: And in one's a child's one's a children's story and one's a, you know, a Machiavellian tale. And what he said is you can always get elected by telling people that you're going to give them back their own money. ("WELL") That's what George Bush ran on. And it was a very successful campaign because he stuck to the message. And there are people who, you know, "Everything else be damned I want my taxes cut." And I want my taxes cut too but not everything else be damned.
C: Yeah but I mean I want it back. The only reason is I get some of that money and I know I'm going to be responsible with this. I'm going to save. I'm only twenty-four now. By the time I retire which may be sixty-five, seventy, whenever, I'm going to have that money and its because I saved it. Now sure a bank I mean the Social Security might go bankrupt but I leave the government should I don't know . . .
M: Alright. Thanks for the call. (BEEP) Hi, welcome. You're on with Mr. KABC. Good evening.
Q: Hi, Mr. KABC.
M: Hi, welcome sir.
Q: By the way, did you know that this weekend at Pasadena, California, there's going to be at the Masonic Temple a psychic fair with exhibitors and lecturers?
M: I had no idea but, you know what, it doesn't surprise me that a guy like you would be at the psychic fair.
Q: Well I should hope not. But, ("I MEAN IT'S UN") unfortunately, there is a $10 cover charge but it
M: Speaking of psychic fairs, you know what I got? I got an Email message. I don't know if you knew this because you're part psychic, right? ("WE")
Q: We all are.
M: Alright. I got an Email you know who I got an Email message from?
Q: Who?
M: I got an Email message from nationally acclaimed master Tarot card reader and psychic Miss Cleo.
Q: Oh well that must've been one of those spam generating
M: Yeah, I think it probably was. But she writes to me: "Mr. KABC, I'm so very happy to be able to contact you. My name is Cleo and I'm a master Tarot psychic. I had an exciting dream last night that could affect the rest of your life and she asked me to call an 800 number. Think I should do it?
Q: Of course not.
M: Why not?
Q: That's why you need to go to this psychic fair because part of the challenge is being able to
M: People at a psychic fair they don't charge, they don't make money in any way, shape or form from their psychic prognosticating?
Q: Well ("BB BB") they're charging $10 entrance charge but there are over sixty lectures where there is no charge.
M: Alright.
Q: And part of the challenge is being able to discriminate as to whom has something worthwhile to share.
M: I'll remember that. (bumper music starts) Coming up next hour Ian Gomez live in studio, your phone calls. Stick with me.
R: It's 7:58. I'm Rob Marinko in the KABC news
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How does the sun keep burning bright?
Where does my shadow go at night?
What is E equals MC squared?
Why does rap music make me scared?
Where's a place to buy good clothes?
Why are these hairs inside my nose?
Is a cornea a gem?
What makes the clock spring twelve a.m.?
Ask Mr. KABC.
KABC he'll answer humbly at our mystery.
Mr. KABC.
Mr. KABC.
He knows the where, why, when and what will be.
M: Four minutes after eight o'clock. This is Talk Radio 790 KABC. I am Mr. KABC with you every weeknight from seven to nine. I won't be with you tomorrow night taking the night off. I'll be back on Friday night and all next week from seven to nine here on Talk Radio 790 KABC. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED "COAST TO COAST A.M." ON MAY 13, 2001. WHEN I TURNED ON MY TAPE RECORDER, I NOTICED THE BATTERY WAS DEAD SO I COULDN'T RECORD THE BEGINNING OF MY CONVERSATION WITH THE OPERATOR.)
S: Mark. Where are you calling from?
Q: From Los Angeles.
S: Alright, Mark from Los Angeles. I think you've been on before, haven't you?
Q: Yeah.
S: Okay, you know the drill then. Just hang on and we'll get you (broadcast begins to be heard) . . . Our guest coming up next hour Dr. Elliott Katz will discuss the implications of human beings being merely the guardians for all animals; that we have no pet ownership, contrary to popular belief or perhaps even your own experience; that pets should be granted rights as animals equal to humans'. And therefore just make us their guardians coming up next hour. We'll get to that. Open lines all across America. For the rest of this hour, you take us anywhere you want to go. You can pickup any of the topics we've started already, including ones that we mentioned earlier in the week on Art's show or last week with me and other than remembering that there are millions of people listening so be fun, entertaining and original. There is no such word as irregardless. Let's pick it up with the first time caller line. . . . Let's go to the wild card line, John in Goodland, Minnesota. Are you listening to AM 1500 KSTP The Talk Station, John?
J: Well Ian I'm a little bit farther north here but welcome to Minnesota when you come this week.
I: Thank you. I'm looking forward to it. And where are you going to take us?
J: To the seas, Ian. And maybe your guest if he when he comes on possibly might address the question (of) low frequency active sonar . . . deploy this here by the navy to search for UFOS or underwater submerged objects like enemy subs. I believe the coming holocaust within fifteen miles of, say, just one ship or maybe ("FI") forty to fifty miles the hearing of sea mammals can be damaged or sensitive tissue around the ears and brain exploded. But (or "BUT") within 300 nautical miles or an area the size of Texas it's unsafe for even human divers. It can be disruptive of sea mammals' breathing, eating and nursing, navigating and pushing even endangered species over the edge. What's even worse, this year on March 20 Vice Admiral James Amerault before the Senate Armed Services Committee testified that low frequency active sonar is already employed by Russia and France and Britain in 2006. I believe what we need coming up is going to be a world oceans acoustics treaty of some kind.
I: You know, you just sound well too informed to be the casual caller on this topic.
J: (small laugh)
I: So it sounds to me like you're
J: Well I've written I'm a thousand miles from any ocean but no, it's an issue that I mean like, Ian
I: But you're linked with one of these groups, aren't you?
J: I am not. I mean its the Indians who say, you know, we're everybody's neighbors. Everybody's a relative of ours. ("NO")
I: I understand. But having information like that at your fingertips is a ("A") (you're) going to make a marvelous contribution. I appreciate the heads up and I will try to make a point to mention I can only imagine he will agree with you. I can't imagine for a second that he'd take issue with that but we'll see what he says coming up next hour. Let's get to Mark in L.A. (BEEP) listening on what are you listening to, Mark? ("I") We're carried on Sunday nights on KFI, aren't we?
Q: It's real late (on KOGO) so I listen on the Internet.
I: Ahh, glad to have you. And where are you going to take us? ("WELL")
Q: By the way, in follow-up to that last call, I would say you're either part of the solution or part of the problem. But I have an observation that leads into a question I'd be curious to see how you would answer. ("AND") As opposed to maybe Barbara or Whitley or Art with your divinity background. But as one of those who has experienced a spiritual awakening, it wasn't really until then that I perceived ("SS") how primitive society really is. Despite all the technological advances. I mean look what's happening to the whales. There's been a few divers found drowned off the coast, for that matter. But um (or "BUT UM") I think it's a very basic step to go from being preoccupied with taking and enriching one's self ("IN") then going to realizing that there is a Oneness of Spirit and thus true success is not concentrating on one's own gains yet instead helping to make sure others share the same benefits. And, of course, that goes for wisdom as well as just monetary wealth.
I: Well ("AN") it's an interesting point. I mean (line disconnected so the following was recorded
from the Internet archive edition of the show) and I certainly am not going to disagree with
the fact that we don't always do a great job giving more than we take. I would say, however,
that if you look at the great ("NO") sort of story arc of history, we're pretty good givers. But
let's pick that topic up some other time too. That might make an interesting show just how
primitive are we? We (or "WE") think we aren't but maybe we really are. I wonder if there's an
expert on that we could look for, for the future too. Where are you going to take us on open
lines next on "Coast to Coast A.M."? My name's Ian Punnett.
. . . in the haze
But every now and then I feel so insecure
I know that I just need you like I never . . .
(bumper music is "Help" performed by The Beatles)
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Well if I hadn't been cut off so quickly, I think I would've made myself a little bit more clear. And that is, basically, to say that God is an unlimited source for gifts. ("YET") Many realize that life affords opportunities to also be giving to God in return in ways suited to our individual circumstances. I'd be curious how you, Ian, perceive this predicament of having the opportunity to be giving to God or proving one's love for God. Well I think I said that in a more subtle way and Ian, being so quick on the draw, I think he understood that. But, unfortunately, not everyone in the audience is as wiseor perhaps other adjectives applyas these talkshow hosts ("SUN" or "SON") in their position of 'power.'
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED THE 800 NUMBER FOR CALLERS TO MATT DRUDGE'S NATIONAL RADIO PROGRAM ON MAY 20, 2001. I RECORDED MOST OF THIS TAPE #699 ON THE SLOWEST SPEED BECAUSE IT WAS MY LAST BLANK TAPE AND I WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM FOR MY CALL.)
Q: (while on hold) Well I called Matt Drudge. The usual screener put me on hold. I want to follow-up about the topic of the news stories on his Web page. My tape recorder cuts out sometimes when the speaker unit becomes detached.
S: 77 WABC.
M: It is Drudge on Sunday night. (gives number twice) Here's your chance (to be) heard nationwide tonight live and I just want to get into just for a second because I don't know why no one picked this up as the weekend progressed. I was waiting. I saw this Friday night in the wires out of Financial Times Paul O'Neal and I know we're reorganizing ourself but he, ladies and gentlemen, happens to be the U.S. Treasury Secretary. Top guy. He has laid out a vision of radical reform. Maybe we're getting somewhere now. This isn't an eleven cent tax cut coming in the year 2011. A sweeping revision of Social Security where he says able-bodied adults who have the ability to earn income have an obligation not to pass part of their own responsibility on to a broader population meaning they should forego the checks. That's pretty bold. So all those able-bodied adults who have the ability to earn income have an obligation not to pass part of their own responsibility onto a broader population meaning don't take the checks. So he said in this interview with the Financial Times and it gets better. You know, this isn't about, "Oh, is it going to be a 39% or a 36% or a 33% top level?" He is now raising the possibility of a complete a complete vanish of all corporate income tax. Complete. Abolishing corporate tax would inevitably lead to higher personal income taxes but O'Neal believes such a move would reduce the overall tax burden in the most economic way. So this is controversial stuff. You've got the U.S. Treasury Secretary coming out there saying well I think . . . is coming soon. You're not going to have any corporate income tax at all as we all rush to get incorporated. So we've still got the link over at the Drudge Report on this. This is some interview and I don't know if Bush knows he's even given this. . . . saying cut off all contact with the Chinese who by the way are reportedly about to send our spy plane back in crates. You know, swack, sealed with a kiss. Here's your plane back in crates. So what do you think? Is this a plum or what is it? Or is O'Neal just shooting off at the mouth laid out a vision for radical reform of the U.S. tax structure. I am finally your Drudge is finally getting excited with this Bush crowd. I wasn't out of the gate excited. I said, "Oh another Bush." But here we go. Somebody now suggesting we abolish all corporate income tax and maybe you don't need that Social Security check if you don't need it. This is hot stuff, controversial stuff, I assure. If anybody cares. Line one, George in Colorado, you're on the air with Drudge.
G: Yes. About the vandalism story on the White House. Apparently Bob Barr the baby killer had enough trust in the GSA to find the truth.
M: Have you ever killed any babies, sir?
G: Bob Barr did.
M: . . . Bob Barr the baby killer?
G: Bob Barr did.
M: Okay.
G: You do you don't you do agree with that, don't you?
M: I don't know if I agree with that. He never came out and said he did it.
G: He didn't deny it. What I would like you to do is find ("WELL WE KNOW") out how did this story generate anyway? This false story?
M: So you're believing the government report?
G: Bob Barr the baby killer did. Or he who he thought they would get the truth.
M: How did this story originate? There were Bush sources inside the White House who were telling reporters such as myself that my God we've got a mess in here.
G: Could we find names?
M: Oh okay you want some names, right? You want a dirty dress, right? You want your absolute proof? You want a DNA test? Grow up, sir.
G: By the way, Tony Snow just doesn't need to post the ten commandments in public places, he needs to read them too.
M: Boy, you're just a barrel of monkeys tonight. We're off to a great start. It's Drudge.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: BETWEEN COMMERCIALS FOR GYCO DIRECT, PRICELINE.COM, HAIRPRIME, ELIMINEX AND THE LAW FIRM OF WEITZ AND LUXENBERG, THE SCREENER CHECKED BACK WITH ME.)
L: Mark?
Q: Yes.
L: You're still hanging in there?
Q: Sure. I'm glad to wait.
L: Okay, great. Stay. (broadcast is again heard)
M: Matt Drudge on a Sunday night. (gives call-in number twice) On this night where I can report to you and this is also a clarification of last week. Boy, I'm really hitting all fours. "Planet of the Apes" July 27, Twentieth Century-Fox, home of the beautiful 'Moulin Rouge' about the rumored love scene between the human astronaut and the chimp yeah, they were planning a sex scene. Did you hear that one? Between the astronaut the human astronaut and the chimp. Eat your heart out, Cannes Film Festival, you may have the cannibal sex scene but we've got the sex chimp scene or do we? Director Burton now Tim Burton, 'Mr. Scissorhands,' is now saying there is some sort of romance in the film between the human and the chimp but it's not like it's the actual animal penetration. This is a direct quote now. Getting ready for the summertime. "Yes, there is some sort of romance in the film but it's not like you see any actual animal penetration. There's no bestiality. Nothing like that." Well this is between Marky Mark and Bonham Carter so safe to say we're on our way there. Another $100 million film. Another $100 million film that has towhat?make $400 million to break even? Alright, so for the record I stand corrected. I went on last week and said what about this sex scene? Now they're saying it's not like you see actual animal penetration. Just thought you'd like to know. No bestiality. Nothing like that. Well we'll see what Burton rips up this summer. (gives call-in number twice) Ron in Georgetown, line two, you're on the air with Drudge.
R: Hey, Matt. Wrong.
M: Good evening.
R: The big picture is that this "Pearl Harbor" movie and all promotions of this and the patriot sovereignty of this country is instigated by Clinton's operatives in Washington to put the American people who are already asleep that our sovereignty is intact and that we are the strongest nation in the world. Conversely, communist Russia and China are the strongest and our sovereignty is dissolved. What do you think? . . .
M: What are you what did you begin this statement saying? "Girl "
R: The big picture is about this "Pearl Harbor."
M: What is "Girl Harbor," sir?
R: P E A
M: Oh, "Pearl Harbor."
R: "Pearl Harbor." I said Pearl. P E A R L.
M: Got it. Yes. "Pearl Harbor." Yes.
R: The big picture is "Pearl Harbor" the movie and all the promotions of the sovereignty and patriotism of this country is instigated by Clinton's operatives in Washington to put the American people who are already asleep that our sovereignty is intact and that we are the strongest in the nation in the world. Conversely, Russia communist Russia and China are the strongest and our sovereignty is dissolved. What do you think, Matt?
M: Thanks for the call. Are we having solar flares? Is it the solar flare? What in the world is
happening out there tonight? Is it what is happening to us? This is two back-to-back callers.
Somebody out there preaching that Tony Snow needs to read the ten commandments and the
baby killers and all this mess. And now this caller is screaming about Clinton and "Pearl
Harbor"? We can't even do a talk show anymore. What is happening to us? I mean we can go
back to screen calls heavily screen these calls out. Just thought it'd be nice to have an
American sort of town hall. Everybody else screens. When's the last time you heard a
spontaneous anything on, let's say, a show like "Larry King"? You ever heard anybody on that
show even remotely sound spontaneous? They all sound so scripted. Well maybe we need to
just do that. We'll script you. Call up and we'll give you the questions to ask. We'll give you a
little you know we'll flash you with the messages as what you must ask Drudge. What is
happening? This guy is hooking "Pearl Harbor" to Clinton? Now this is low. I was kind of
turned on that the Pentagon sailed the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis from San Diego to
Pearl Harbor for the movie premiere. Yeah, the Pentagon. We're at peace now so there's
nothing better to do with our ships than just leave them around for movie premieres. Repeating
the Pentagon sailed the USS John C. Stennis from San Diego to Pearl Harbor to hold the
movie premiere on the flight deck. So don't cry to me that we're in too many places and there
are too many things going on. We've got enough time to send aircraft carriers out to the movie
premieres. And while I'm at it I'm reading some of the British press and they're not being kind
to "Pearl Harbor." No wonder. You know, the Brits don't like us anymore. They're trashing all
our pop culture. An audience at a pre-premiere preview offered scattered applause at the end.
The Newsweek critic said that almost every line of the dialogue sounded like it came from an old
movie. Critics torpedo "Pearl Harbor." Now see I'm getting into "Pearl Harbor." I'm looking
forward to this one. I think it probably does actually work. I think it probably does make you
proud to be an American and it gets back you to some basic values as the Cannes Film
Festival they're watching cannibal sex and as Tim Burton is planning some love scene between
ape and man. Alright, well maybe we need to get back to basics, Mr. Newsweek. But check this
out, there's always something to spoil it. Listen to this. This is the theme song from "Pearl
Harbor." This Faith Hill just a sample, please.
. . . When I look back on these days
I'll look and see your face
You were right there for me
In my dreams I'll always see you soar above the sky
M: And if that doesn't make you wish you were bombed what is that? See, in Hollywood
now they can't even make a proper theme song. Listen.
. . . I'll keep a part of you with me
M: Ohhhh.
And everywhere I am, there you'll be . . .
M: You know, bring back Maureen McGovern. Bring us back "The Poseidon Adventure" and "Towering Inferno." Bring us back some theme music, guys. What is this? Shame on them whoever did that one. That is a complete bomb. I don't know about the movie. I don't know about the Brits trashing our little "Pearl Harbor." I don't know about all that. I'm inclined to think it's a pretty good film and it's going to clean up on Memorial Day weekend. I'm inclined to think it's probably the first hit that makes some sense unless you think "Mummy Returns" is . . . This theme song this Faith Hill theme song of "Pearl Harbor" what a mess. What a complete mess. What a disappointment. I was expecting something big. You know, maybe something sweet like a Diane Warren or something. Oh, that was Diane Warren? I'm all confused about it. Let's go back to these phones. Line six, Chris in Columbus, you're on the air with Drudge. Let's try another one. Line three, Mike in Pennsylvania, you're on the air with Drudge. Hello Mike.
K: Hey, Matt. How are you doing tonight?
M: You're on the air. You follow Faith Hill. You've got a big act to follow.
K: Oh man, I don't know if I can handle that.
M: Ohhhhh.
K: Hey
M: I feel sorry for the radio jocks who have to play that in heavy rotation because their boss told them to.
K: Oh God help them all. Hey, listen, I've got something to say. When are the American people going to wake up and realize that our government is selling us out to the UN? Slowly but surely, we are losing our land, our freedom to a globalization of the world. What do you think of that, Matt?
M: Well we're on a roll. You fit right in with the line-up of calls tonight. So now it's the UN coming after us tonight, sir? What have you lost to the UN tonight?
K: We've lost land. We have policies environmental policies based on UN policies, sir. And I don't know if you call it . . .
M: We've cut off their dues. Haven't we cut off their dues?
K: No, we haven't.
M: Well
K: We haven't cut off their dues yet. And I don't think we ever will.
M: So let Ted Turner bail them out again. Let's let these Richie Richs who think it's such a great system this United Nations, which is a phony, phony concept. What's united about any of this?
K: Not a thing. But they're trying.
M: We've all got different motivations. Ours happens to be freedom for the most part. Other countries aren't so into that.
K: Right. Well I just know that Bush Sr. has talked about it before in speeches. He called it the New World Order. I haven't heard Bush Jr. say anything but it wouldn't surprise me if he . . .
M: Well they're getting Colin Powell has been out there and if you compare a Colin Powell speech to a Madeleine Albright speech and you flip the names around in the text, you couldn't tell the difference. I'm very, very concerned about Colin Powell. Very concerned. I think he's one of these globalists, sir. And I think he loves the trappings of his office. And very I'm watching him closely. Going to see if brings his friend AOL in, where he sat on the board of directors, to remodel the State Department computers without contracting that project out. We'll watch him.
K: Keep an eye out for
M: Too much money in Washington.
K: Let us know, Matt.
M: Will do. Thanks for the call there, Columbus. So everybody's got the conspiracy tonight. Everybody's up. We'd make great Indians. You know, if we were in New Delhi tonight we'd all be saying there's the Monkey Man outside of the room coming after us with those day-glow eyes. Yes, we would. The mass psychosis. I mean what happened to this country? I thought we were a country of individuals who stood firm. We got a caller in Georgetown putting Clinton behind "Pearl Harbor" film. This is absolute madness tonight but it's just America so why don't we just keep the lines open? Let's keep this party going, get a good taste of it. In real time. A real good taste. There's an Email coming in: "Monkey Man is so over, Drudge. Get on with other things. This obsession is really slowing you down." Well come on. You got a whole you got the nation's the world's number two populace nation, India the capital Delhi caught up in mass psychosis claiming to see a monkey creature outside their dwellings. Why isn't that news? Why can't you deal with that? But maybe it reminds us a little bit too much of ourselves. You don't think it could happen here? You don't think somebody could start that here? You don't think the CIA could do a little experiment with that here? There would be many people who were gullible enough to follow it. On a side note, now the Indians think its the Pakistanis who have set these monkey men off or these rumors of Monkey Man or all this other stuff. And all weekend I've been running the photos of the victims all scraped up and bruised up and bitten up. These people just making it up? Are they doing it to themselves? What is the mystery behind a mad psychosis like this? Commotion? So I think it happens to be an interesting story. Here's another one. Time magazine is out with a report that Reverend Al Sharpton plans to run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004. Jesse Jackson too bust changing diapers there is losing his position as the preeminent African American leader according to this report. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AFTER READING FROM THE TIME STORY, MATT WENT TO JEAN IN ILLINOIS ON LINE FOUR WHOSE COMMENTS INCLUDED EXPRESSING CONFUSION ABOUT JANET RENO BECOMING A GOVERNOR CANDIDATE IN FLORIDA. COMMERCIALS FOLLOWED SO I TURNED THE TAPE RECORDER OFF. I TURNED ON THE TAPE RECORDER AGAIN WITH DRUDGE DISCUSSING A CANNES FILM FESTIVAL CONTROVERSY. HE THEN SPOKE TO RACHELLE IN PORTLAND, OREGON ON LINE ONE. HER QUESTION CONCERNED THE TRUE WORTH OF THE DOLLAR. I DECIDED TO TURN OFF THE TAPE RECORDER YET I TURNED IT BACK ON WHEN I HEARD FROM THE SCREENER AGAIN.)
L: Hi, Drudge Radio?
Q: Hi. Still here.
L: Oh.
Q: Mark in L.A.
L: Is this Ed? Oh no, it's Mark. I'm sorry. I pushed the wrong button. Okay, you can hold and we're going into the news now.
Q: Okay.
L: Can you stay?
Q: Sure.
L: Okay, great.
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M: Matt Drudge Sunday night live. (gives call-in number) Here we go. Hour number two of this one on this late May evening, getting ready for the holiday, getting ready for the summer of our lives, the summer of love, getting ready for the summer where the lights go off in California and hopefully come back on. And it is yours truly, Matt Drudge, reporting now, coming off the wire from France, bouncing over the oceans in real time. And I am your number one Internet reporter. As a matter of fact, are there any other Internet reporters? Please stand up. I thought by now there would be some people making a name for themselves in a big way; not all these anonymous websites. These Democrats dot com, these media whores dot com. Who are these people? Show your face. I dare you. At least when we report stuff out here at the Drudge Report, we've got a face to it. And I'll answer to anyone. But we're reporting tonight that at some pointI guess this is going last FridayIsrael planned to stop Arafat by force from going to Cairo to that Arab summit where they announced in unity that they were going to cut off relations with Israel all the Arabs. . . . and again repeating you've got the Israeli defense minister going on nationwide television late tonight saying they had plans to physically block Arafat from traveling to Cairo. Now wouldn't that (have) been something? Did I tell you that two people fainted during a cannibal sex film in at Cannes? Line two, Jim in Oakland, thanks for holding. You're on the air with Drudge.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: JIM EXPRESSED OUTRAGE CONCERNING THE REPORT OF O'NEAL'S PLAN TO ELIMINATE CORPORATE INCOME TAX WITH DRUDGE REITERATING HIS EXCITEMENT WITH THE PLAN AND STATING "I'M ALL FOR IT." MATT THEN WENT TO LINE FOUR TO HEAR ED IN LONG BEACH WHO QUIPPED, "FOR A WHILE I THOUGHT I WAS HOOKED UP WITH THE ART BELL SHOW." HE SUGGESTED REDUCING ALL FEDERAL TAXES AND GRADUALLY REPLACING THEM WITH NATIONAL SALES TAX. DRUDGE RESPONDED, "YOU'RE TRACKING RIGHT WITH THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION." A COMMERCIAL BREAK FOLLOWED. MATT THEN WENT TO LINE THREE AND SPOKE TO GARY IN CHARLESTON WHO ASKED HIM FOR HIS TAKE ON PROBLEMS WITH EDUCATION AND IF HE HAD ANY SOLUTIONS OR IDEAS OF MAKING IT BETTER. DRUDGE EXPRESSED PUZZLEMENT AT THE NATURE OF THIS CALL AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMERCIAL BREAK. I TURNED OFF THE RECORDER AT THIS TIME AND TURNED IT BACK ON WHEN I HEARD THE SCREENER'S VOICE AGAIN, TELLING ME THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET TO MY CALL.)
L: . . . get to you.
Q: You're not?
L: No. I'm sorry. Thank you though.
Q: Okay, I'll send Matt tell Matt I'll send him an Email.
L: Okay, I'll do that. Thank you.
Q: Okay, bye.
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Q: (speaking into tape recorder) (twenty?)-five more minutes to the hour. I guess he knows who I am.
( . . . )
M: Matt Drudge Sunday night. (gives call-in number) And if the world is boring, I am boring and it surely isn't tonight. Did you feel that Foot and Mouth was over, you thought it was finished if you really even cared to begin with. Well I care. . . . a dynamic story the panic of the Foot and Mouth. All part of that panic of '01 that I've been talking about. It started on the very first business day of the year when the Nasdaq fell 7%. That kind of panic. It turned out to be quite a year. Foot and Mouth slaughter toll hits a new high. More animals are being culled than at the height of the Foot and Mouth epidemic, new figures revealed on Sunday. Slaughtermen killed 79,000 livestock on Thursday in the U.K., most of them showing no signs of the disease. That's more than double, coming close to triple two months ago at the peak of the epidemic. Now there are many in the U.K. say the cull has become a mindless bloodbath, clearing out a vast swath of the countryside of all animals. The government's attitude is that Foot & Mouth doesn't exist anymore but farms are still being taken out at a horrendous rate, said one farmer. Meanwhile, Tony Blair's men say it's important (to) maintain the slaughter to avoid any ("NO") resurgence, specially at election time. . . . how that story just sort of disappeared as the election heated up and now they're just you know, they're spitting on each other and punching each other over in the U.K. and it's getting them going. More people now interested they were headed for a record low turnout in this U.K election. More people now interested because of that punch. After somebody through an egg at somebody and ("THE THEN") one of the Labor top . . . there threw a punch. That got them going. And, no, we never did get that picture of Clinton being egged. Somebody was it the Associate Press or Reuter's? Somebody didn't want that picture out there. We never did get that picture. But, you know, there was a picture once and I'll reveal this for the very first time because, you know, we're far enough away from this where I'm not going to blow a source for telling you this. There was a picture of President Bill Clinton urinating on a golf course. I saw the picture myself. It's quite a photo with his member in hand urinating on the golf course. And one periodical they ended up thinking they're a family periodical decided they were in possession of it decided not to run the picture. You talk about a picture that would've bloomed across the world. Imagine Dan Rather, haircut and all, announcing the picture? I was going to go with it on the Drudge Report. I was all set, licking my chops, some girl with the enter button ready to go. So I feel that about summed it up. It didn't happen. So, you know, it's these pictures that you don't get that are the heartbreakers. (gives call-in number) Let's get back to these busy lines tonight. Number two Ann in Phily, you're on the air with Drudge.
A: Hello. Do you have anything new on the missing intern from Washington?
M: I have been watching that so close and looking for any development. It's a lot like the Blake mystery. They don't there are not many clues. They (or "THEY") This intern in Washington has just completely vanished.
A: Do you know much about the congressman
M: . . . moral of the story is don't send your kids to Washington.
A: Well of course.
M: (small laugh)
A: But do you know much about
M: . . . the Bush administration. ("YEAH")
A: How about the congressman? Do you know much about him?
M: The one from California.
A: Yeah.
M: No, I don't. I don't know much about him. I know there's swirling intrigue around all of this. We're watching it closely. She seems to have just vanished off the face of the Earth. Yes, another intrigue intern in Washington. I know the local stations have been playing it up but ("NO") it's the May sweeps down there in Washington so they're really digging deep. But there doesn't seem to be many clues.
A: Ahh. Well maybe you'll come up with something.
M: We're looking. It's hard to do when there's nothing there's no trail. I mean what are we going to do here with the Robert Blake thing? It's another it's one of these other mysteries. And you've got a police telling the press to back off. And the press will be the ones to crack this. Don't you remember the National Enquirer and the O.J. shoes?
A: Yeah but you're right.
M: Marcia Clarke and Darden they could've dug for 5,500 years they could've found those shoes.
A: But there seems to be a little bit more on the Blake thing, don't you think?
M: Ah well I've got my opinions on that Blake thing. Whenever you've got an attorney come out there even before the body is buried even put the tag on the toe, you've got their smearing the woman. You have to wonder what is the why what is the upside of the smearing a woman so publicly, so viciously as this attorney this Blake attorney? You have to wonder what was that about? Out of the even before most of us heard about the murder, we were hearing about this woman and her reputation and her past has finally caught up with her. Oh? Very intriguing. If it comes in fact that somebody murdered her somebody close and I'm not going to mention names over these airways. I just got finished with one lawsuit successfully where the person who sued me ended up paying and I'm going to be kind out there and save somebody from writing a check this time.
A: Well, you know there's another attorney that's been doing the same thing to the woman and that's Rudy Giuliani's attorney has been saying some pretty nasty things.
M: It's smear the women month, I know. It's smear the women month and especially if they're dead. If you can get somebody dead, that's the best time to smear them.
A: Of course. Well it was good talking to you.
M: Thank you. Thanks for the call there. Yes, we must stop sending our sons and our daughters to Washington as interns. That's my view on education, sir, for the caller that called up last half hour. Line four, Doug in Madison, you're on the air with Drudge.
D: . . . Regarding Paul O'Neal's proposal to do away with all corporate income taxes, you know one theory isit's more than a theorycorporations simply don't pay income taxes. It's another cost of doing business and it's passed on to the consumer like any other expense. Corporations may collect taxes for the government and do it more efficiently than the government does it . . . you know, the whole thing is a great concept
M: But I love that I feel the good thing about Bush is he's brought people in who are thinking this way. You've got an O'Neal who is getting in to say we've got to rework this entire system. You've got as Ashcroft saying yes, we've got to fry the Russian spy if convicted. We've got to start killing people who are doing this degree of damage to this country again. Bravo. It's about time we bring back everything so we've got these nominees who are at least doing this but then it's perceived in the media Judy Woodruff by the time she drinks her vinegar and puts on her white horror vampire makeup and by the time they turn it through the house and then the senate, the 50/50 with Trent Lott who's on the phone with Dick Morris who's probably on the phone with Hillary and back again and you don't get anywhere.
D: Yeah. You're so right. And the media supports them all.
M: Oh, the media loves the State. You ever see Tim Russert sit next to somebody in power? He shivers and shakes. They love the State. The Washington Post they love the State. All of these organs of the main press
D: True.
M: they're counting on their big you know, their big mergers to come so they're not going to offend anybody on Capital Hill.
D: Yeah. Matt, I'm glad you're here on the air here in Madison.
N: Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it. Yes, I've said it before. If you just watch, again if you're ever up early and you see "Meet The Press," watch how Tim Russert loves to be next to somebody in power, whether it be a leftie or a rightie. That's it. It's not that the media is liberal anymore and it's not Howard Kurtz with his vast right-wing conspiracy in media either. It's not neither. It's suck up to power. That's what it is. In a big, big way. And you had recently McCain under his breath saying, "Oh Murdoch and your direct TV deal oh, this is pretty dangerous stuff and I'm going to be watching this closely." Well where was McCain on the AOL/Time-Warner where everything is AOL/Time-Warner now? Everything. It's an assembly line of Time-Warner products in our media and we don't there are no checks and balances on any of it, whether its the REM album or "A.I." opening up all of it debuting on the AOL screen. Click here. Click here. Download now free. And McCain doesn't say anything on that. It's like us you know, with for(eign) taking on little foreign governments but when it comes to China and Russia and the big stuff, we wimp out. They send our plane back in crates. Why don't we go to line six, Barry in Florida, you're on the air with Drudge. Hello, Barry.
B: Hello Matt.
M: You're on the air.
B: How are you doing, bud?
M: Alright.
B: Hey, listen. Better cover yourself on this one.
M: I'm covered.
B: Alright. There's something wrong with this whole Reno thing down in Florida. ("I[T]") It doesn't make any sense. She's not electable down here.
M: Well she seems to think she's electable.
B: Well she does but the reality is the whole punch card system is gone so you can't stuff ballots anymore. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AFTER THE FOLLOWING COMMERCIAL BREAK, THERE WAS ONLY A SHORT SECTION OF TAPE LEFT ON THE CASSETTE.)
M: Alright, let's go to line two. Andre, Houston, you're on the air with Drudge.
A: Hey, greetings from Houston.
M: Good evening.
A: Hey. I was just I just got off the plane a little bit ago and I heard something about Al Sharpton running for President and it scared the hell out of me.
M: . . . Well he announced it. He's announcing in Time magazine that he was sitting under a tree, I guess meditating, and he decided it's time. It's time for Al (end of tape)
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I DECIDED TO CALL IN TO KFI-AM 640 TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FINAL HOUR OF THE MATT DRUDGE RADIO SHOW HEARD IN THE WEST. WHILE ON HOLD, I RETRIEVED THE CASSETTE WITH SAMPLE EVP I HAD USED AT THE PSYCHIC FAIR AND USED THE BLANK SECOND SIDE TO RECORD THE BROADCAST. NEARING THE END OF THE HOUR, MY CALL WAS RECORDED ON THE SLOW SPEED AFTER PRECEDING CALLERS DISCUSSED CALIFORNIA'S ENERGY CRISIS ALONG WITH SUCH OTHER TOPICS AS ISRAEL; "PEARL HARBOR," FILM SCRIPTWRITER-TURNING-DIRECTOR RANDAL WALLACE, AND THE FAITH HILL SONG FROM THE FILM; THE 18TH STREET GANG; MISS CLEO; THE BROADCAST NOT BEING AVAILABLE VIA THE INTERNET DUE TO AFTRA; THE MONKEY MAN IN CONNECTION WITH NIGERIAN PENIS PANIC, KEN RUSSELL'S "ALTERED STATES" AND TIM BURTON'S "PLANET OF THE APES"; AND SUMMER MOVIES. DRUDGE ALSO PLAYED AN EXCERPT OF ANOTHER RADIO SHOW WITH A SATIRICAL RELIGIOUS SUBJECT THAT HE DESCRIBED AS "MY FAVORITE PHIL HENDRIE.")
M: . . . So, yes, Marky Mark will fall in love with the chimp Bonham Carter and, boy, she does look like a chimp. Especially after Brad Pitt knocked her up in "Fight Club." She looked real jiffy. This Hollywood crowd this is beautiful. This material is beautiful. It's a gift. (gives call-in number) . . . here in Los Angeles county. Line three, Mark in Canoga Park (BEEP) . . . here with Drudge.
Q: Hi. The headline story/link about the cruelty done to the kitten at your website this week I felt was very important because it made me realize how
M: Well slow down. Slow down.
Q: Okay. (or "OKAY")
M: You're talking about a link on my website about 'Stubs' the cat.
Q: Right.
M: Right? I don't know how many people in this audience has any other host dared to bring up this topic?
Q: Exactly. It made me think that the media's becoming too much of a commercial commodity to have the goal of educating people about even the most basic spiritual truths.
M: Right on. Right on. Well shall I do I dare read this? I don't know. Do I read this story?
Q: Well I would preface it by saying that every religious tradition upholds in one way or another that each living thing is an incarnation of God yet there are many who have no concept of this. (pause) Isn't that that's a good preface.
M: I can't find the story. I think we have vanished the story on the website. I'm going to look it up here because I had printed it out but I chickened out on the national show. It was about the cat that had been blown up with a torch or something and it started chewing itself up and we're rescuing its stubs. There's even an Internet site I've seen for Stubs the cat but I can't find the copy. ("W[ELL IT] JUST SHOWS") I appreciate the call. I'll see if I can find it here it in my mess. (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I BEGAN RECORDING FROM THE RADIO BROADCAST WITHOUT TIME TO ADJUST THE ANTENNA.)
M: See, this is what they're worried about in Canoga Park tonight. A six-month-old kitten believed to have been set on fire with a blowtorch chewed off a burnt front leg and part of a hind leg out of pain. Cat's name Stubs. It took eighteen days to capture the wild kitten so he could be treated. This is near Harbor Gateway. (He) has been on intravenous fluid, antibiotics and other medications. Woodland Hills. Stubs needs surgery on what remains of his leg. The medical could cost about $8,000. A home is being sought for Stubs. I'll take in Stubs. A San Pedro woman who found Stubs said it took rescue groups and Animal Control eighteen days to trap the kitten in storage. "I honestly thought a pit bull nearby had gotten him but I looked at him and thought there was no way a dog could do that." On the Net: stubsthecat.com. Finally the Internet put to a good use. "Kitten Chews Off One Leg." See, there's a story for Paul Moyer on Channel 4 get those May numbers up. Do an expose on that. All these animal stories break my heart. All the foot and mouth people laugh and they say, "Oh those Brits burning up all their cattle. They're burning up all the little piglets . . ."
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: HERE IS THE EMAIL I SENT DRUDGE FOLLOWING THE CALL.)
Subject: Following Up My Call Tonight
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:24:22 -0700
From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>
Organization: http://testament.org
To: drudge@drudgereport.com
Matt,
In addition to my comments tonight on your California broadcast, please
consider adding to your list of news links the http://testament.org
website.
Thanks,
Mark
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED "COAST TO COAST A.M." ON MONDAY, JULY 2, 2001. THIS WAS THE FIRST OF SEVERAL CALLS TO THE RADIO SHOW IN A SEVEN-DAY PERIOD.)
S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Can I get your first name please?
Q: It's Mark.
S: Where are you calling from, Mark?
Q: L.A.
S: Alright. Hold on the line and we'll get you up as soon as we can.
Q: Great.
I: . . . to think about the future the future of mankind and machines. It's a book about the astounding potential of cybernetics and, perhaps, it is a wake-up call to all humankind. The book is called Beyond Humanity: CyberEvolution and Future Minds. And to paraphrase Mr. Cox, this show will not be science fiction. It will be science speculation. Not sci-fi but sci-spec. What we're going to ask you to do on this show may be difficult because we're going to ask you to discount what sci-fi has taught you about robots and cyberintelligence. Indeed, the sci-spec ship on which we are sailing is headed far beyond the horizons of most science fiction. And it will amaze you. It will perhaps rightfully terrify you. We'll get started next hour with Oral D. Cox. We'll do open lines this hour. And I will not be doing much in the way of crypto-news. However, I do have an important story to read, one which explains why Art is not on tonight but why he will be back on Thursday. And why I'm sitting in for the rest of this show on "Coast to Coast A.M." You don't want to miss this announcement next. My name's Ian Punnett. (commercial segue)
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I: I have a few stories that might fit nicely into a crypto newscast. I'll save them for tomorrow night when I'll also be filling in for Art Bell. My name is Ian Punnett. And Art's off tonight for a reason. Those of you with the Internet know probably some of this already. Those of you who don't I would like to explain a bit. This is how it all started. Again. A columnist of "Showbiz Tidbits," a woman who I believe is named Leah Salterio, a woman for the a writer for Philippine Daily Inquirer decided to take a chance. She decided to break the old journalistic rule of multiple sources for a story and wrote her entire Sunday showbiz column about an Email she received from another journalist who was spreading rumors. You know, there's another journalistic rule that says one journalist should never trust the other journalist for a story but I think we could spend a whole show on what this woman did wrong. The important thing here to mention is the effect that it's had on all of us. The story was headlined "U.S. Talk Radio Host Insults Filipinos On Internet." Some of you may already know where this is going. I read the words of Leah Salterio: "We received Email from our Singapore-based friend Jennifer Alejandro, a former ABS/CBN news anchor and field reporter who now works with Channel News Asia. Jenny apparently only forwarded the Email to us with the note, 'Please pass this on to every Filipino you know.' The article is written" they call it an article "by a certain Art Bell, a talk radio host who broadcasts his show from his home in Nevada. The program is aired over 400 stations across the United States. In the article 'Filipinos Make Me Puke'" they're calling it an article "Bell lambastes Filipinos, our culture and way of life. The piece is so degrading that it's important that after reading it no one attacks him but responds to him in a civilized manner because otherwise his thoughts will be reaffirmed. We are printing excerpts from Bell's article. 'The Philippines is a third world country. Nothing respectable has ever been created by Filipino people during our entire human history. Nothing good has ever come from Phillippines and I don't believe anything good ever will. In Japan, Filipinos are heavily discriminated against. The only Filipinos that can live successfully in Japan are the Filipino prostitutes. Nothing in Filipino culture can be seen as Asian. They have no architectural, artistic or cultural influence which is in any way Asian, thinking of the great countries in Asia such as Japan, Korea and China. To all Filipino people, please recognize your roots. You come from the Third World. Your country is disgusting and filthy place. Most people there live in poverty. Your culture has much more Spanish influence than Chinese and absolutely no Japanese influence whatsoever. People in Japan and China do not act like you. There is no way you can connect yourself to Asia other than location. Your culture and technological advancement does not even come close to what Chinese people have done in the past and what Japanese and Korean people are doing right now. Everything you do is distinctly Filipino. You cannot take credit for Japanese cars, video games and'" I've been trying to read this word all day "'Hentai.'" I have no idea what it is. "'You have no concept of culture, no concept of Asian ideas or philosophy. Can you demonstrate how you use Confucianism or Taoism in your everyday life? You can't and you never will be able to. I understand that you are trying to create an identity for yourselves as young people but it is not related to Asia. Your identity is Filipino. That's all you are. Just Filipino. Think about what that means.'" And at the bottom of the so-called articleas the columnist was so kind to printwere some Email addresses for Art Bell. You know, even just reading this out loud, it just seems ludicrous that somebody, even a third party reading it for the first time, would think this is written by an American. It's so clearly written by somebody from Japan trashing Filipinos I mean certainly that's what it sounds like. Anyway, as you might have read on the Drudge Report, the international reaction to the printing of this story was immediate and dangerous: "Talk Radio Sensation Art Bell Victim of Global Smear Campaign." That's what Drudge printed. I'll read you a little bit of his copy. "Overnight talk radio sensation Art Bell has been falsely labeled a Filipino-basher after a phony Email message signed Art Bell makes its way around the digital world and finally into print, reproduced in the leading Philippine newspaper. The phony Bell message has been posted repeatedly on newsgroups. It has been referenced in chatrooms. One posting has been traced to the library computer lab, the University of California at San Diego." Quote "'This vicious writing is so obviously a fraud to anybody who listens to Bell's program and to those of us who know Bell personally,' said a close source to the radio host. What is so surprising and alarming is how it has spread. Now a newspaper halfway around the world has gone and published it." Indeed, the Email response was predictably ugly or violent or both. "Art Bell, honestly I know that I'm just wasting my time writing this to you because you're most definitely not worth my time at all. Because you are an insult to the human race. I just hope and pray to God that you die very soon because you are the biggest insult not only to us Filipinos, who are the real chosen people of God, but to the human race, you idiot. And, by the way, say my hello to Satan when you get to see that brother of yours soon enough. May God still have mercy on you for what you did." Another Emailer to Art: "How dare you treat us like that. Why don't you look at yourself in the mirror before you insult us. You guys are racist. I curse you. I wish you will grow so old that you'll live a very painful life." And it gets worse. A woman named Annie writes Art Bell to say: "Just hope that you realize what you have just done and what I've heard all the people in the Philippines are mad and planning to take an action against you." More specifically, he got an anonymous Email saying, "Never attempt to visit the Philippines because we will cut all your heads." And there's more on that: "Mr. Bell, it seems you're out in your mind when you lambasted Filipinos. Go to the Philippines and I will tell" and I'm going to leave this person unnamed "I will tell" an individual who shall remain nameless "to kidnap you and remove your head from your body. Who are you to speak to Filipinos that way?" In fact, that person who was named in the previous Email appears to have written wrote back and said this: "Greetings by the name of Allah. I'm just a hired computer typist of a" and this is the name of a terrorist group. "Please, I don't mean to write this, okay, as long as some of my words are not readable by this terrorist group. Maybe later they cut off my head like my friend Ronald." He goes on to say: "The terrorists have just been sent a letter from someone in there in the U.S. They say they will give anything to them just for the head of Art Bell. Even this mail is not so hard to track in by your security. I just been thinking that you must leave your home and warn those relatives of yours there because there's someone hired in this group to kill you. Please you must leave there because." As you can understand, on the artbell.com website, Art was compelled to deny this again as he has done for years. "Open Letter To My Listeners." Those of you that don't have computer access, I'll read this in part for you. "July 1st, 2001. Another event in the seemingly never ending strange series of events in my life occurred which will prevent me from being on the air this week. A horrible racist article, which has been on the Internet for three years despite all our best efforts, has just been published by the Philippine Daily Inquirer, the largest circulation newspaper in that country. This has resulted in hundreds of Emails and death threats to me and my family. Even the slightest effort on their part would have resulted in the truth before rushing to publish. The article appeared in the entertainment section of the Sunday edition. As many of you I hope are aware, I did not write this trash and never would. In fact, my wife is half Filipino. It was originally sent from a computer located at UCSD in Southern California. They have sent an apology which has been posted on this website for almost three years. Over that period of time, every enquiry has been answered by myself, my webmaster and the network. We are presently taking all legal steps possible. However, in the meantime there is a very real physical danger to my family and myself. This will require my full attention for the moment." Following are excerpts from that legal response to the publishers and the various editors for the Philippine Daily Inquirer. "Dear Interested Parties, Our law firm represents Art Bell, who has been grossly defamed by your publications. We demand that you immediately correct the libelous and false like statements published on or about June 30th in the Philippine Daily Inquirer and on the Internet and other publications affiliated with your company. These statements are extremely provocative and likely to incite violence against their author. The charge that Mr. Bell wrote the Email is a statement of fact. The statement is false. Even a cursory glance at Mr. Bell's website or an inquiry sent to Mr. Bell or his representatives would have established the Email was a fraudulent Internet posting not written by Art Bell. The fact that Mr. Bell had nothing to do with the Email could have been established with the most minimal application of journalistic due diligence yet your publication disregarded all standards of journalistic integrity and simply published the fake Email for the entire world to see. This evidences a most reckless disregard for the truth. Demand is hereby made that the articles publishing the Email attributed to Mr. Bell be retracted in the most conspicuous way possible and in numerous issues of your publications. Sincerely, Gerard P. Fox" of Fox and Spillane in Los Angeles. As a result, this retraction will appear roughly tomorrow morning or about this time in the Philippines several days after the original article in a, you know, Tuesday/mid-week publication not nearly the circulation of a Sunday paper but here's what they have written. "Radio Talk Show Host Art Bell Not Behind Insulting Email." The same columnist, Leah Salterio, wrote this. "Nevada-based radio talk show host Art Bell is in no way connected to a malicious and vile Email that insults Filipinos and that has been attributed to him." She should add by me but anyway little editorial. Quote: "'The charge that Mr. Bell wrote this Email is a statement of fact,' Bell's legal counsel said in a letter faxed to the Inquirer from Los Angeles. 'This statement is false. Even a cursory glance at Mr. Bell's website or an inquiry sent to Mr. Bell or his representatives would have established the Email was a fraudulent Internet posting not written by Art Bell.'" And she goes on to say, "We did not check out Bell's website when we received the Email forwarded by Alejandro. When we finally did look at it, it turned out Bell had printed this denial more than two years ago. The Inquirer apologizes for its failure to investigate the source of the Email. It regrets the error. Meanwhile, Channel News Asia newscaster Jennifer Alejandro, who is based in Singapore, forwarded the Email to the Inquirer. It was the subject of this column last Sunday. The Email contained offensive statements." And she goes on to reaffirm that this is, in fact, not from Art Bell and with a minimal amount of apology posted this retraction. Well it's anyone's guess whether in newspaper parlance this retraction will put this story to bed. What can be known and what should not be forgotten is that Art Bell is one of the kindest men in broadcasting. I just spoke with him again earlier this afternoon. And whenever I speak with him the word gentle always comes to mind. Perhaps, it's just because of his disposition and his reputation that Art has once more been victimized through a vicious, libelous campaign that took on a life of its own. But it is the hope of all of us associated with "Coast to Coast" that Art and Ramona enjoy the rest of their time off, their Fourth of July holiday and that Art Bell will return to the air as expected this Thursday, refreshed, relieved and with this egregious lapse of journalistic ethics behind him. And I thank him for the opportunity to help set the record straight. We've got a full half hour of open lines to get to and you can feel free to comment on what you have heard or take us into entirely new directions what open lines are all about. But you do not want to miss next hour as we go well beyond the imaginations of science fiction writers to talk about the real probabilities of artificial intelligence with a guy who knows A.I., Earl D. Cox, next hour on "Coast to Coast A.M." In for Art Bell, my name's Ian Punnett.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: BUMPER MUSIC HERE IS "READY FOR THE TIMES TO GET BETTER" PERFORMED BY CRYSTAL GAYLE. A COMMERCIAL FOR THE SHOW'S TIE-IN NEWSLETTER IS THEN FOLLOWED BY MULTIPLE PROGRAM PROMOS. BUMPER MUSIC FOR THE SECOND HALF HOUR IS "DON'T BRING ME DOWN" PERFORMED BY ELO.)
I: "I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor" that's the best song ever written about somebody's business manager. It's a long rock and roll story. Let's go right to open lines. And thank you all for holding on as long as you have. It'll be a great show next hour with the look into the future of artificial intelligence hot on the heels of the big new summer blockbuster movie from Steven Spielberg. But first let's go west of the Rockies where Mark (BEEP) is in L.A. on "Coast to Coast A.M." to get us started. Mark?
Q: Hi, Ian.
I: Hi.
Q: So now that you've been hosting a so-called paranormal show for a while, I've come up with a good question for you.
I: Was that pure normal or paranormal?
Q: I think it's pure normal. ("BUT") If it's not explained correctly, it can seem paranormal.
I: Okay. I was just curious. Go away go ahead.
Q: But, anyway but first I guess I should follow up my previous calls about EVP and Angelic guidance and all that and see if you have any comment you'd like to make about the testament.org website.
I: I haven't been to that website so that's a sneaky way of slipping that in there but, anyway, what was your question?
Q: Okay, well no, it's not really sneaky because ("A") it was a year and a half ago when I called Rollye James and complained about Art, Whitley and Hilly covering me up.
I: Well, okay, but you see here you go again. It jus no
Q: Well, no and all the Email and everything. But my question is tonight when you consider the succession of callers and certain synchronicities, how aware are you of the guidance of a Superconscious Mind occasionally communicating to you through the subconscious of the callers in terms of the sequence of calls, the technology in terms of what calls come in through the phone lines, etc. I mean I've shown my own experiences at the testament.org website.
I: There you go again. Would you stop this is all just supposed to be a plug for your website then?
Q: Well someone's got to plug it. I want to show that not everyone who's had paranormal experiences has been a guest on your show.
I: . . . It actually is an intriguing quita (or "QUITA") question but I'm going to deny you an answer because (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: DURING MY RESPONSE, I DIDN'T HEAR IAN'S VOICE IN THE BACKGROUND UNTIL AFTER SAYING THE WORD "EVERYONE." I SIMULTANEOUSLY WAS RECORDING THE BROADCAST ON MY RADIO CASSETTE RECORDER AND LATER I WAS SURPRISED TO DISCOVER THAT WHAT I HAD TAPED FROM THE TELEPHONE RECEIVER WAS NOT THE SAME AS WHAT WAS HEARD ON THE BROADCAST. THE FOLLOWING IS A TRANSCRIPT OF THE BROADCAST SHOWING WHERE PUNNETT TWICE HIT SOME KIND OF EDIT BUTTON. I HAVE MARKED THESE PLACES [1] AND [2] FOR EASY REFERENCE.)
Q: Hi, Ian.
I: Hi.
Q: So now that you've been hosting a so-called paranormal show for a while, I've come up with a good question for you.
I: Was that pure normal or paranormal?
Q: I think it's pure normal. ("BUT") If it's not explained correctly, it can seem paranormal.
I: Okay. I was just curious. Go away go ahead.
Q: But, anyway but first I guess I should follow up my previous calls about EVP and Angelic guidance and all that and see if you have any comment you'd like to make about the testament.org website.
I: I haven't been to that website so that's a sneaky way of [1] anyway, what was your question?
Q: Okay, well no, it's not really sneaky because ("A") it was a year and a half ago when I called Rollye James and complained about Art, Whitley and Hilly covering me up.
I: Well, okay, but you see here you go again. It jus no
Q: Well, no and all the Email and everything. But my question is tonight when you consider the succession of callers and certain synchronicities, how aware are you of the guidance of a Superconscious Mind occasionally communicating to you through the subconscious of the callers in terms of the sequence of calls, the technology in terms of what calls come in through the phone lines, etc. I mean I've shown my own experiences at the testament.org web [2]
I: Would you stop this is all just supposed to be a plug for your website then? Let's just bag it right now. If you want to have a conversation, I'm great with that. And it actually is an intriguing quita (or "QUITA") question but I'm going to deny you an answer because you turned this into an infomercial. So cut it out and grow up. Grow a spine and call back some year. Let's go to the first-time caller line where Robert is in Canada on "Coast to Coast A.M." Robert?
R: Good morning. How are you?
I: Good. It's open lines. Where are you going to take us? Hopefully, not to plug your business.
R: Well I don't think (small laugh)
I: Please don't mention, you know, Bob's meat company or something like it, okay?
R: (laughs) I just wanted to send my condolences, firstly, to Art and his wife. I think that scurrilous and underhanded behavior for the last three years has destroyed a lot of things for Art and my best wishes go out to him.
I: Well I think you're right and I'll know he'll rebound from this one and we look forward to having him back on Thursday.
R: Yeah. Just a couple comments. I want to tell I tell you I listen to the show every night when I'm plugging away on my computer. And I've learned so much and discussed things with my wife. And I listen to it every night and I just want to say this is an excellent program. But the one thing that troubled me was personally, I don't believe you're a racist. I just got to . . . by saying I'm an Aboriginal person.
I: Oh I see. You mean in regard to the Email I got from a guy about Native American artifacts?
R: Yeah, you know, like it that bugs me, you know, and I
I: But people are going to do it.
R: Yeah but the other thing that bugs me too is that why can't people scientists like Erich von Daniken and all these others give Indian people some credit and just believe that they had the capacity to do what they did in Central, South America and North America?
I: Well that there's an interesting cultural bias to that. I totally accept that. Especially a Northern European bias that I think you could claim for von Daniken who kind of saw the exporters of wisdom always coming from, you know, the from the Europe and North Africa and heading toward the Americas. Yeah, I think you it's a weird kind of ethnocentrism that I would I can completely see why that would be offensive.
R: Yeah. I mean the strength of the Central American and Southern American Indian tribes and the technology, sciences and math and alphabets that they, no, built up over who knows how long ("NO") I think it's just a testament to the people on this side of the planet ("NO") and
I: Well that having been said too, I also want to reaffirm I don't know. I guess it's what got that Emailer mad at me but it's something I really believe. I don't think we should be disturbing grave sites just to get to the answers either. I think some of these answers will remain elusive to us and we've got to be good with that because
R: Yeah, that's right.
I: I don't think we can go ("NO") traipsing through these sacred sites as though they are unimportant just because they weren't part of our culture. ("IAN") So I'm with you on that. And just to go back to the thought about tying together both that Email comment that somebody made to me and what is happening to Art, just think about this. There are people that walk around all day long with a golf club up suspended over their shoulders just waiting for somebody to tee off on and they'll take their first excuse they can find and they don't really care who it is. And let's just hope tomorrow it won't be either of us.
R: Yeah, I hope so. The other thing that I wanted to suggest to you or ask you. I've been reading on the Internet about (small laugh) I don't know. This is pretty I don't know how credible this is. But I've been up on this secret Nazi base in Antarctica. I'm wondering if you'll ever do a show on that. If anybody knows
I: We've touched on it. I don't believe in it. But there are lots of folks who do, in fact
R: Foo Fighters and stuff like that.
I: Well, yeah, the Foo Fighter thing is obviously also shared by the other UFO traditions but the Nazi base thing in particular I find one of those unprovable assertions. You know, just almost like lack of evidence becomes evidence enough for some that it exists and I'm duly suspicious of its that there's any truth to that at all. But I would entertain a show and I appreciate your suggestion on that. And maybe we'll do something on that in the future. Maybe somebody has something new on it, in which case I'd be happy to entertain it. Let's go to the wild card line where Don is in Albany, Oregon. . . .
Q: (speaking into tape recorder immediately following call) Well that was a good call even though I think I would've liked to say that I could prove ("WW") well what I should I guess what I should say if I was talking to Ian is 'On the previous show, your guest was talking about aliens communicating that God is dead so people can do immoral things for self-profit. Tonight, I'm saying that I can prove a Loving God and my own reincarnation.' What I could've said too, for example: 'When Barbara said something dismissing environmental concerns, there followed many calls on the topic helping to show the urgency of dealing with the many problems of pollution, something that the President and those 'in power' are doing their best to avoid. I mean the defense budget keeps going up and, apparently, even in this "A.I." movie, it's set in a world where the ice caps have ("MO") melted so that seems to be the reasonable expectation. Even Steven Spielberg with all his money is dedicating himself to depicting this yet how much of his money goes to helping the environment?' And concerning all that regarding this crisis about the Filipino Email, I might say, 'Many of you are quick on the draw and can understand the irony here but for those of you who might not have thought much about the mysteries of karma, let me be blunt. Most people think of Art Bell as a completely straightforward and honest individual ("WHO'S") dedicated to the truth where in my experience he has covered up the news I have offered him about the Christ Force. In fact, the Christ Force has been crucified by the media in this day and age. Do things really change? So now Art is finding himself in the situation of being victimized by another journalist with a lack of journalistic integrity.' I might've also mentioned if I'd had the chance that I'm always trying to help Ian and Art and Barbara and Whitley and all of their producers and associates understand that corporate thinking is an evil principality and to be on guard against that.
( . . . )
Q: So now it's Wednesday, the Fourth of July, Independence Day and I guess I should say that I
did stay up late on Monday/Tuesday to see what they reran during the repeat hours of the
broadcast and no, they didn't feature the first hour despite that first half hour where Ian was
telling about Art's predicament. So wasn't that unusual? I did tape the entire show on Monday
and the first couple hours of the show on Tuesday/Wednesday . . . When one has knowledge and
doesn't share it, it's the saddest thing of all because, of course, everyone on the show is in search
of greater awareness. So to sit back and just let ignorance go unchallenged is just unthinkable . .
. ("IN FACT" "I") wasn't going to tape the commercials but every time I turn the tape recorder
off I miss something interesting so keep that in mind. ("SAW ME") I'm going to send this
Email to Barbara, Art and Ian. I hope their Email is working . . .
Subject: Monday Night Call
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:20:54 -0700
From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>
Organization: http://testament.org
To: bsimpsonksfo@yahoo.com, artbell@aol.com, punnett@mindspring.com
Dear Barbara, Art and Ian,
In consideration of the response to my call on the Monday night show, I
hope you'll consider the following as originally contributed by myself
to the "Coast To Coast A.M." message boards on January 28, 2001.
"Honesty should always be an objective for participants and listeners of
'Coast to Coast A.M.' Sometimes the social order can make one a victim
even of prosperity if not of one's greed or that of others. We should
never lose sight of the fact that what our actions and feelings
demonstrate makes more sense than any words assigned to them; and that
there are always opportunities for receiving and sharing God's Love
through each other's help and kindness. Our responsibilities can be free
of anxiety through striving to be truthful while remembering that there
are no true borders or distinctions between people.
"An article in the Fall 1998 RAND REVIEW mentioned the information
revolution transforming the nature of conflict and predicted 'the
beginning of an age in which information and knowledge are the key
elements of power.' This is a false premise as there is no power or
responsibility that doesn't serve truth and goodness. The source of
popularity for 'Coast to Coast A.M.' is people's desire to learn truth.
Providing an unrestricted forum for comparing cases of the unexplained
allows an opportunity to gain a better understanding of the forces, Love
and forgiveness governing our lives. Giving in to fear is a danger yet
the awareness of Love frees us from limitations. Let us hope that Art
and his co-hosts are aware of their own 'power' with the support and
faith that has been shown encouraging them to embrace new challenges and
opportunities with inspiration."
What I was attempting to communicate in this post was that you have the
experience and abilities necessary to explain complicated circumstances
(not only to listeners yet also to associates and corporate executives)
as long as there is the awareness of the importance in meeting a
challenge not from a perspective of fear yet, instead, from a
realization of Love. Yes, I do thinkand it has been my hopethat you
would be able to communicate my own circumstances as my case provides
proof of God's Love with documentary-style evidence that we each have a
Friend in the Subconscious of each person we encounter. I might add
that I've also found life much less stressful in being honest about past
misunderstandings, mistakes and shortcomings; just as it is also
important to embrace forgiveness of one's self and others. I imagine
that you would agree with me that we are always evolving into a
different, more aware individual. I guess the Elmer Gantry metaphor can
be of value to mention in this respect along with the fact that no
mistake is as damaging as any resultant cover-up attempt. In other
words, we have no power over how others respond to ourselves; however,
being honest makes it possible to resolve a difficult situation.
Life is so much more satisfying since I was given the knowledge and
opportunity to give back to Spirit in return for the countless gifts
received every day. Despite this awareness, I must remind myself that
my own circumstances are trivial in comparison to the predicament of
Spirit that I would like others to consider, whether an individual
refers to Such as Creator, God, Christ, Consciousness, Living Energy
Universe, Force, Mother Nature, etc.
I would also like to make it clear that I've always felt comfortable
talking to each of you (and also Ramona) and hope you feel the same way
when it comes to speaking to me. If you have any questions, let me
know.
Mark Russell Bell
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So, of course, Ian didn't get his Email because it says there's a quota violation where he's concerned so I guess he's over the limit.
( . . . )
Q: Listening to my tapes of the show ("MADE") makes me realizewith all the spirit messageshow helpful the awareness of the EVP would be to many guests who have been on the show. I mean their most profound observations and questions often can be disproven or proven. I hope we don't live in such a sad, fallen world that there are people who eventually, once they become of EVP, that they start inserting their own, manufactured EVP into interviews. I mean that's the logical next step ("FOR") certain disinformation or information control agency work. I don't think I would be fooled. I would hope not. Would God allow such a thing? Well, obviously, the answer is yes. The best weapon against such evil is wisdom. And for some reason ("THE CO") the hosts of "Coast to Coast A.M." aren't really in the position yet to give help to their fellow man.
( . . . )
Q: So it's Thursday night and Barbara Simpson's hosting. Art's not going to be back until Monday, after all. And she's interviewing Stanton Friedman and Gary Lockwood. And Gary Lockwood asked her if he could plug his website garylockwood2001.com and she said, "Sure, go ahead."
( . . . )
Q: Both Gary and ("SSS") Stanton are signing autographs Gary, of his stills from his movies, and Stanton, of his books.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I CALLED "COAST TO COAST A.M." ON SATURDAY, JULY 7, 2001 AT 10:07 P.M.)
S: "Coast to Coast A.M." Can you hold please?
Q: Sure.
B: . . . Coast A.M." We're coming to you from our "Coast" studios in San Francisco and we're reaching you wherever you are off the real world. Welcome to this moment in time well a few hours in time when we can search for greater meaning in quarters not usually probed, look into the darkness for the light, and dig for answers to the profoundly perplexing questions facing all of us an exploration of the world of the strange, the unexplained ("AND"), sometimes sometimes the purely bizarre. It's another adventure on a Saturday/Sunday morning. So glad you're with us.
S: "Coast to Coast A.M." I need your first name.
Q: My name is Mark.
S: Mark, where are you calling from?
Q: Los Angeles.
S: Hold on.
B: . . . adage 'You are what you eat.' Grandma used to say that. Well if that's true, what are we? What's in our food? Vitamins and minerals that keep us healthy or other things like man-made chemicals and petroleum products and hormones and dyes and sugars and fats and perhaps even no vitamins or minerals. If it's true and that stuff is in our food (if) that's true, what does it mean to our health? Clinical nutritionist Carol Simontacchi will be with us and she is very blunt about it. She studied this whole subject. She knows what she's talking about and she calls much of our food "crazy makers" and the food business "crazy makers" and says that the food industry is destroying our brains and harming our children. How's that for putting yourself on the line? Well she's going to be with us to defend that position. We'll find out what she says. You're not going to like some of this but you better know about it because you're putting it in you and you're putting it in your kid. That's a little bit later on. As we continue, we have open lines by the way, hope you will call and be part of it. Especially this first hour. The other crazy makers with food crazy makers with weather all across the planet. I mean just amazing, affecting storms through the Midwest today, severe storms along the eastern Lakes, the Ohio Valley . . . and speaking of pretty far away, at least, is Sean, first-time caller in Cleveland, Ohio. Hello, Sean.
C: How are you? Hello. How's it going?
B: Good.
C: Hi. I'd just like to say something real quick about the kid with the shark he got his arm bit off. Did he happen to get his arm back?
B: Yes.
C: Oh he did?
B: They opened up the mouth of the shark, took the arm out of the mouth and took the arm and the kid to the hospital and they he underwent a twelve-hour operation to get the arm stitched back on.
C: Oh that's great.
B: Isn't that amazing?
C: Yes. That's amazing that he wrestled the shark.
B: Well but he didn't. His uncle did.
C: Oh, his uncle did?
B: The kid didn't wrestle the shark. The kid got his arm bitten off and then the uncle went in. This is the part I don't understand was that the fish the shark didn't even ("NO") get away. How the uncle could've grabbed it and wrestled it on shore is just almost unbelievable.
C: Just amazing.
B: Yeah.
C: Yeah, well I'm calling from Cleveland, Ohio.
B: Yeah, I've been there.
C: I'm west of the Cuyahoga River. Been there?
B: I have indeed.
C: It's a nice town.
B: Well the last time I was there it was nice. I had a lot of good friends from Cleveland.
C: Yeah. Well I was just up all night snorting and I was thinking about some aliens. And (laughs) it's funny because these aliens they actually abducted me before. And I was masturbating and I'm sitting there and it's like I get stuck up there. You know what I mean?
B: Uh-huh. It sounds like you need to find a little more to do with your life, don't you think, Sean?
C: No, it was great.
B: You loved it, huh?
C: Oh yeah.
B: Yeah?
C: You know what I mean?
B: Well, listen, let us know what happens tonight. Be careful with that stuff you're using, though. You don't want to get there and not be able to get back. That can happen too. (clears throat) Let's go (to) Los Angeles on the wild card (BEEP) line. I don't know if you can be any more wild than that. Hey Mark, how are you?
Q: I'm very good, Barbara.
B: Good.
Q: Anyway, I wanted to make a follow-up to a call on Monday night. Now don't jump to conclusions. This is not criticism of ("I") Ian Punnett.
B: Well don't don't do that.
Q: That's what I'm not. It's not. That's what I just said.
B: You've done that before now, Mark. Don't do that.
Q: I it's not. ("HE" "THEY HE") It's just that he made a remark that may have given some ("IM") listeners an incorrect impression. He had said that, quote: "This is all just supposed to be a plug for your website then you turned this into an infomercial."
B: Well then you know look, look, look, look. I heard that and he was right. If you have something you'd like to contribute to the program, let's do it but let's
Q: (off the air) But it's not a commercial endeavor.
B: not promote your website, okay?
Q: (off the air) It was not that.
B: That's I'm sorry. If you've got a problem with the way any other host handles the program, please call them. Don't call me. I can't (line disconnected)
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THE SHOW WAS BROADCAST AGAIN ON AUGUST 18TH WITHOUT THE FIRST HOUR. ON AUGUST 19, I RECORDED MY CALL FROM THE ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE JULY 7 SHOW AND THIS IS HOW IT SOUNDED.)
B: . . . Hey Mark, how are you?
Q: I'm very good, Barbara.
B: Good.
Q: Anyway, I wanted to make a follow-up to a call on Monday night. Now don't jump to conclusions. This is not criticism of ("I") Ian Punnett.
B: Well don't don't do that. You've done that before now, Mark. Don't do that.
Q: (n)ot. ("HE" "THEY HE") It's just that he made a remark that may have given some ("IM") listeners an incorrect impression. He had said that, quote: "This is all just supposed to be a plug for your website then"
B: like to contribute to the program, let's do it but let's not promote your website, okay?
That's I'm sorry. If you've got a problem with the way any other host handles the program, please call them. Don't call me. I can't answer for other people. I have enough trouble answering for myself. Call everybody who gives you a problem but also don't call up and promote your website. Matt is in Flint, Michigan. That's another city I've been in. Hello there, Matt. How are you? On the east of the Rockies line. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AFTER MY LINE WAS DISCONNECTED, I IMMEDIATELY CALLED BACK ON THE WILD CARD LINE AT 10:22.)
S: "Coast to Coast A.M."
Q: Hello, are you a producer of the show?
S: Yes, I am.
Q: I was libeled by Ian Punnett on Monday night when he said that my when I gave my website address that it was an infomercial. This was a false impression given, that my website was a commercial endeavor, and this is not the case.
S: Alright then sir I will give you this. I'm not going to let you call back on any other show but Ian's tomorrow night. I will not let you go on the air with anybody else. If you want to go toe to toe with Ian, I will let you do that.
Q: Well how can I go toe to toe
S: All
Q: when he hangs up on me after saying that
S: I
Q: he said that my website was a commer he said it ("WE'RE")
S: I'm going to hand up on you if you don't stop talking. ("WHAT'S")
Q: What's your name?
S: You don't need to know my name, sir. I am telling you it is the policy of the show bot to give out anybody's website address. Except for the guests.
Q: Just a moment. Gary I've been on this show more than Gary Lockwood and he gave his Web address out. (line disconnected so I began dialing again) Coward.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I AGAIN CALLED ON THE WILD CARD LINE AT 10:26.)
S: "Coast to Coast A.M." Can I have your first name?
Q: Yes. What's your name?
S: None of your business what my name is.
Q: You don't know what you're doing.
S: You know what? If you want to be a jerk, that's fine. I'm not going to let you get on.
Q: God is trying to give mankind a message through me and you're preventing God
S: You know what? Hey, I'm telling . . .
Q: from doing this. (line disconnected)
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So now it's Sunday evening. It's about 9:30. I've decided to call after ten.
( . . . )
S: Thank you for calling "Coast to Coast A.M." Can you please hold?
Q: Sure.
S: Thanks.
I: . . . visitations from the other side. The phone response that night, if you were listening, was tremendous. The Email response was no different, absolutely through the roof. And so we're going to go back to the other side tonight from a slightly different perspective and share the thoughts of Lee Lawson, the author of A Visitation, a spontaneous encounter with a loved one that you need to hear about and you will coming up next hour on "Coast to Coast A.M." In the meantime, I have some very interesting crypto news, including an update on some actual news which (or "WHICH"/"WITCH") many of you may have missed but as, being sort of a recurring subject on this show over the last few weeks anyway. We'll get to all of that plus your calls right out of the box on the way. For open lines for the rest of this hour on "Coast to Coast A.M." My name's Ian Punnett.
R: From coast to coast and worldwide on the Internet, this is "Coast " (commercials follow)
S: Thank you so much for holding. Who's this?
Q: Mark?!
S: Mark. ("UM-HUH")
Q: In L.A.
S: Mark in L.A. Alright, Mark, just turn off the radio. Listen to the show through the phone. When Ian calls for you, you'll be on the air.
Q: Okay, great.
S: Thanks.
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I: Alright, we've got another hour of open lines. We're going to get to them right away but I have a couple of stories I wanted to pass along to you for crypto news.
S: Sorry, Mark. We're not going to get to your call tonight.
Q: Hello? (line disconnected)
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) Let's see what the first open lines caller had to say.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: THE FOLLOWING WAS RECORDED VIA THE INTERNET ARCHIVE EDITION OF THE PROGRAM ON AUGUST 20TH SO SOME WORDS MAY HAVE BEEN SKIPPED WITHOUT MY NOTICING IT DUE TO TRANSMISSION GLITCHES. FOR EXAMPLE, A LINE IN ONE OF THE COMMERCIALS WAS GONE FROM MY TAPE OF THE ARCHIVED SHOW AND HAD BEEN REPLACED BY WHAT SOUNDED LIKE "HOPE.")
I: . . . People love crypto news stuff and they often ask, "Where do you get those stories?" ("WELL") Some of them I get from the After Dark Newsletter and you'll be able to read more when you want to whenever you want to there. Let us go to the open lines on "Coast to Coast." I have, unfortunately, lost my feed so I'll just ask the guys back at the studio. Kirk, on the west of the Rockies line, for open lines on "Coast to Coast A.M." Kirk?
K: Hey, how are you doing?
I: Good. Where are you going to take us for open lines? You're going to start it for a great hour.
K: Well I had a couple comments I wanted to say. Or questions. Energy crisis what if, as hot as it is in Phoenix there's got to be a way that we can harness this heat, the sun or something in ("PUT THO") you know those little calculators that run on
I: Yes.
K: put some of those on the backs of the cars or something.
I: Oh you mean using like solar cells?
K: Yeah.
I: Well there are cars that are already driven by that.
K: Well but I mean it would be ("IF") if the reason why I mean that would just solve any problem with any money situation ("BUT") because of the ("IAN") oil industry that all of those big industries they wouldn't allow something like that to happen because you wouldn't need any of that. If you're using the sun. And then a back-up source would be the wind because when your car is driving you cause wind ("SO") when it's like dark out. I mean the well could they start charging for the sun ("YEAH") and the wind?
I: Well yeah. Come on, what this country would say yes, somebody would claim ownership. The owner of sun.com or somebody somehow would try to make a play for that. I think that's a great point. I will or somebody would start saying that we have to have filtered sunlight everywhere in order to run the cars right and we need to have big ("NO") giant shields up over the Earth. And there'd be a way ("SO[ME]HOW") that they can charge to let the sunlight through. I think it's (or "I THINK IT'S") a sad but appropriate observation on if the past is prologue. . . .
( . . . )
Q: (speaking into tape recorder) So now it's Monday night. Well if Art had open lines in the first hour I probably would've called . . . I would've gone on to say that, "Everyone is entitled to free speech not just the select few guests chosen for the show." And if Art had given ("M[E]") any kind of argument, I might've said, "Is that why you got rid of your message boards at your website?" Or I might've said, "A lot of those amazon.com website links for kickbacks signify books with a content commercial enough to meet the approval of publishing corporations" referring to all those links at the "Coast to Coast A.M." website. And Art sounded very upset about the Filipino dilemma and then he said he had hurt his back again. Of course, I know what's going on. I don't know why he just doesn't call me ("YEAH") to discuss it. I certainly have made myself available enough. He knows I'm a good-hearted person. But who knows his true reality? So Barbara's on at the moment. I'm listening on the headphones and the calls are pretty awful ("OF") open lines. I'm still mad at her for disconnecting me but, of course, no matter what I had said she would've disconnected me. She sounds like a bitch. I mean she didn't always sound like a bitch but she sounds like a hard bitch. I mean I heard that time when the guest was talking about the woman in the wall at hell saying, "I belong here." And Barbara said, 'Let's move it along.' ("SO I") I know exactly what's going on with her too. Even though I didn't listen to the show after she hung up on me. I just didn't want to listen to her voice. I just couldn't take it anymore I was so mad at her. ("YEAH" "BUT THE") I think the call before mine said it all too. She has no sense of humor at all. And Ian's becoming the same way. We know why. I listened to a little bit of his show last night and the last caller of the show during the closing open lines segment was and this was after, of course, I had been told I couldn't be on that night but at the end of the show the last caller's name was Mark too and there was sort of a pregnant pause there. I guess Ian and Barbara aren't clever enough well they must know ("THAT") one of Art's problems has to deal with me. ("YEAH" "BECAUSE") They're showing all symptoms that Art used to show. ("WHERE") Especially where Ian's concerned. He's caught between his spiritual dilemma of being a divinity student and his material ("DIL") dilemma of being a corporate radio talkshow host. Anyway, I don't have anything else to say except I turned on the radio tonight and there was a news host filling in who had open lines. He said he was going to be on for Mr. KABC on Friday so, unless I forget, I'll probably call in. ("EVEN THOUGH I") I've done this. I've been there, done that, and I don't really know how it's going to sound starting from scratch again unless the screeners know who I am. You'd think I'd be legend in this business. I still wonder if, perhaps, my call might've ended that "Jesus Christ Show" somehow.
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: AT THE TIME OF TRANSCRIBING THIS TAPE IN AUGUST 2001, "THE JESUS CHRIST SHOW" CAN BE HEARD ON KFI SUNDAY MORNINGS.)
Q: To realize what you're really doing with your show as opposed to what you think you're doing can be very devastating to those perpetrators. ("SSS")
( . . . )
Q: Barbara's interviewing Whitley Strieber tonight. It's not going to ("DO") get better for them because they're just killing the messenger. They're ignoring the message and it's a loving message. A humorous message. A wonderful message. Unless you love evil and wealth more than well I'm being ("I") you know me. I'm always saying things a little bit overboard but you know what I'm getting at. You have to love the truth. Honesty is the basis of all wisdom. A lot of people could use that information.
( . . . )
Q: Illustrated.
( . . . )
Q: So it's Tuesday afternoon, July 10th, and I listened to Barbara interviewing Whitley last night. And I tape recorded it. And I heard one, in particular, very clear EVP instance. Listen.
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W: (clip) . . . if he had been at 25,000 feet seeing a Skyhook balloon at 60,000 feet, it would not have appeared to have been to appear to be of tremendous size to him.
B: (clip) I wouldn't think he would use that word. No.
W: (clip) No.
B: (clip) No question. ("WOULDN'T HELP") What . . .
( . . . )
Q: Oh and here's another one ("THAT") followed a couple minutes after the previous one.
( . . . )
W: (clip) . . . been any number of other cases of military aircraft encountersbut I don't it's been documentedthat have involved, (as the) listener said, the disappearance of aircraft and aircrew. ("ADD") And, of course, there was that incident we talked about briefly earlier. The admission of the British CAA . . .
( . . . )
Q: These two EVP instances were heard just prior to the Pacific time two o'clock a.m. hour, the end of the fourth hour of the five-hour show.
( . . . )
Q: By the way, Whitley claims to have 500,000 letters from people who've had alien encounters over the years. And from all of these many letters, he selected one to read that didn't really have much of a point other than aliens coming up the side of the house after a woman, who clearly saw four fingers grasping the window ledge before she went screaming away. And that's all she could remember. After that, 'who knows what might have happened?'
( . . . )
Q: So it's Wednesday night, July 11 . . . Barbara's hosting again tonight. Isn't that unusual? It's
always been Ian has had the more significant participation in the past when Art's been away but
suddenly it's Barbara and I have to wonder if it's because Ian made such a fool of himself when
he responded to my call that started this mess. Anyway, I'm sending her an Email. I write:
Subject: Saturday Night Call
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:12:52 -0700
From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>
Organization: http://testament.org
To: bsimpsonksfo@yahoo.com
Barbara,
What I was prevented from addressing Saturday night when we spoke during
the broadcast was Ian Punnett's comment the previous Monday evening that
"This is all just supposed to be a plug for your website . . . you
turned this into an infomercial." The unjustly unfavorable impression
given was that my website is a commercial endeavor and this is not the
case. The case study presented at http://testament.org is free and was
never intended to be a source of financial profit for myself. I
attempted to correct this injury to my reputation in a timely way by
calling you. After you terminated my call with scolding comments of
your own, I called back and made my feelings clear to the producer. He
refused to give me his name yet instructed me to call the following
evening when Ian was the host. This I did on Sunday, getting through as
the opening theme music could be heard; however, the producer soon
returned to the line and said, "Sorry, Mark, we're not going to get to
your call tonight."
It appears that the policies of corporate media are in conflict with
spiritual and social issues such as freedom of speech. I did point out
to your producer that Gary Lockwood had been able to give out his
website address (where the cost for an autograph is $20).
Barbara, the newspaper that libeled Art Bell recently printed a
retraction once the staff learned the truth of the situation. As Ian
Punnett's Email address is not serviceable due to "Quota violation," I
am contacting you to pass on my urgent request to all concerned with
"Coast to Coast A.M." I do not intend to seek legal recourse to address
this situation yet I am well aware of the perpetuity of a higher court
where no act of goodness goes ignored.
Mark Russell Bell
Q: So I just sent the Email. It's 12:12 or 12:13; meanwhile, listen to the commercial on the broadcast.
B: . . . you'll see all kinds of things there. I look at it and I love it and half the stuff I don't even know what it is because I'm not that much into that kind of technology. But it's wonderful and it's got things like the CCRadio and the new Versacorder Talkshow Recorder, the Super BayGen Radio, the LED Flashlight and all kinds of interesting things that you never see anywhere else. And P.S., I want to tell you C. Crane is one of the only companies that never gives or sells your personal information to anyone. (If) you're in favor of privacy, that's good to know. Call now. Ask for the free C. Crane Company catalog. You can have one sent to a friend or a family member. I've done that. (gives number) or (gives number). That's (gives number) for the free C. Crane Company catalog or (gives number).
A: Do you want to melt away excess body fat and trim those unwanted inches without strict dieting or strenuous exercise? Now it's possible. Introducing Ultimate Slim, an all-natural, scientifically-designed formula to metabolize your fat into energy with
( . . . )
Q: So it's Friday the 13th. I guess I was last talking about Whitley. What can you say about a man who claims to have encountered the Angel Michael and then his next book after The Key is The Last Vampire? He says he's going to do an autograph tour to support the book. . . .
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: IAN PUNNETT'S EMAIL REMAINED INACTIVE FOR MORE THAN A
MONTH AFTER I FIRST TRIED TO SEND HIM AN EMAIL. HERE IS THE EMAIL THAT I
EVENTUALLY SENT TO HIM.")
Subject: My Last Call (July 2)
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:55:02 -0700
From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>
Organization: http://testament.org
To: punnett@mindspring.com
Ian,
Here is a copy of the Email I tried to send you on Wednesday, July 4th.
Listeners may have been given the wrong impression when you responded to
my call with "This is all just supposed to be a plug for your website .
. . you turned this into an infomercial." Then, to the following caller
you said, "Where are you going to take us? Hopefully, not to plug your
business." The unjustly unfavorable impression given was that the
http://testament.org website is a commercial endeavor and this is not
the case.
I don't think it was your intention to leave listeners with an incorrect
impression so I attempted to make this clear in a timely way by calling
Barbara Simpson on Saturday night July 7th yet she wouldn't let me
comment. A producer told me to call back on Sunday and speak with you.
This I did on July 8th, getting through as the opening theme music could
be heard; however, the producer soon returned to the line and said,
"Sorry, Mark, we're not going to get to your call tonight."
Due to these circumstances, please consider reading the news release
(provided below) during the broadcast.
Mark Russell Bell
Subject: Monday Night Call
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:20:54 -0700
From: Mark Russell Bell <markrussellbell@earthlink.net>
Organization: http://testament.org
To: bsimpsonksfo@yahoo.com, artbell@aol.com, punnett@mindspring.com
Dear Barbara, Art and Ian,
In consideration of the response to my call on the Monday night show, I
hope you'll consider the following as originally contributed by myself
to the "Coast To Coast A.M." message boards on January 28, 2001.
"Honesty should always be an objective for participants and listeners of
'Coast to Coast A.M.' Sometimes the social order can make one a victim
even of prosperity if not of one's greed or that of others. We should
never lose sight of the fact that what our actions and feelings
demonstrate makes more sense than any words assigned to them; and that
there are always opportunities for receiving and sharing God's Love
through each other's help and kindness. Our responsibilities can be free
of anxiety through striving to be truthful while remembering that there
are no true borders or distinctions between people.
"An article in the Fall 1998 RAND REVIEW mentioned the information
revolution transforming the nature of conflict and predicted 'the
beginning of an age in which information and knowledge are the key
elements of power.' This is a false premise as there is no power or
responsibility that doesn't serve truth and goodness. The source of
popularity for 'Coast to Coast A.M.' is people's desire to learn truth.
Providing an unrestricted forum for comparing cases of the unexplained
allows an opportunity to gain a better understanding of the forces, Love
and forgiveness governing our lives. Giving in to fear is a danger yet
the awareness of Love frees us from limitations. Let us hope that Art
and his co-hosts are aware of their own 'power' with the support and
faith that has been shown encouraging them to embrace new challenges and
opportunities with inspiration."
What I was attempting to communicate in this post was that you have the
experience and abilities necessary to explain complicated circumstances
(not only to listeners yet also to associates and corporate executives)
as long as there is the awareness of the importance in meeting a
challenge not from a perspective of fear yet, instead, from a
realization of Love. Yes, I do thinkand it has been my hopethat you
would be able to communicate my own circumstances as my case provides
proof of God's Love with documentary-style evidence that we each have a
Friend in the Subconscious of each person we encounter. I might add
that I've also found life much less stressful in being honest about past
misunderstandings, mistakes and shortcomings; just as it is also
important to embrace forgiveness of one's self and others. I imagine
that you would agree with me that we are always evolving into a
different, more aware individual. I guess the Elmer Gantry metaphor can
be of value to mention in this respect along with the fact that no
mistake is as damaging as any resultant cover-up attempt. In other
words, we have no power over how others respond to ourselves; however,
being honest makes it possible to resolve a difficult situation.
Life is so much more satisfying since I was given the knowledge and
opportunity to give back to Spirit in return for the countless gifts
received every day. Despite this awareness, I must remind myself that
my own circumstances are trivial in comparison to the predicament of
Spirit that I would like others to consider, whether an individual
refers to Such as Creator, God, Christ, Consciousness, Living Energy
Universe, Force, Mother Nature, etc.
I would also like to make it clear that I've always felt comfortable
talking to each of you (and also Ramona) and hope you feel the same way
when it comes to speaking to me. If you have any questions, let me
know.
Mark Russell Bell
CASE STUDY OF EXPANDED CONSCIOUSNESS AND REINCARNATION
DOCUMENTED FREE ON THE INTERNET AT http://testament.org
LOS ANGELES - Q&A interview transcripts and journals document events usually equated with the 'supernatural' or 'miraculous' in TESTAMENT. A free Internet edition is available at http://testament.org
The book evolved after Mark Russell Bell worked as a publicity writer for Paramount Pictures and researched in his spare time 'talking poltergeists' throughout history, including the Bell Witch, Mary Jobson and Isle of Man cases. He then learned about a contemporary family experiencing the talking poltergeist phenomena and traveled to rural Oklahoma for interviews. Centrahoma's Bell/Mc Wethy family relate their interaction with a variety of spirit voices, including aliens.
Among the events experienced by Mark Russell Bell in Oklahoma were materialization of coins and other objects, spirit laughter and groaning, and insect phenomena. Upon returning to his native Los Angeles, Bell was shocked as the phenomena continued and escalated. He stopped working as a publicity writer for Paramountthe film studio with the familiar mountain logoas he began transcribing the tapes. He discovered that interview microcassettes contained Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVP) and unattributed sounds. When he decided to record over a portion of tape to avoid dealing with sexuality, the microcassette was destroyed by the unseen Collaborator. Bell soon began to realize the greater implications of what on the surface were a succession of events long associated with the 'paranormal.' He decided to continue conducting interviews about the unexplained and turned his attention to Hollywood where 'every movie made is a miracle.'
He comments, "I found parallels between the account of the Angelic Force called 'Michael' by the family in Oklahoma with what has been recorded about the Angel Who spoke to Moses in the Mount, was mentioned as an 'angelical spirit' in the Nostradamus 1555 letter to his son, used Edgar Cayce as a channel, was referred to as 'The Mahatmas' by THE SECRET DOCTRINE author Madame Blavatsky, communicated via the Ouija Board to inspire the MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL books, and was glimpsed in a near death experience by Dr. George Ritchie as described by Dr. Raymond A. Moody in LIFE-AFTER-LIFE."
Photographs at the testament.org website document spirits and apparitions, bushes that went up in flames behind Bell's condo, a bigfoot, and entities at a window that some believe to be aliens. The publication date is January 9, 1997 and the first portion of the follow-up book NEW TESTAMENT found exclusively on the Internet was published on July 20, 1997. The ISBN is 0-9654916-0-9 and the Library of Congress Catalog Number is 96-71184.
"Angelic Guidance manifesting in the life of an entertainment industry publicity writer is a metaphor reminding us that we each are part of a divine process as we create from our subconscious and shared Superconscious mind," states Bell, whose lineage chart reveals ties with film directors Alfred Hitchcock ("Rebecca," "Family Plot") and Ken Russell ("Tommy," "Altered States").
Bell has been a guest on thirteen radio programs where he has shared his experiences, including the nationally syndicated "The Edge of Reality" hosted by Ken Dashow on December 4, 1999 when Bell commented, "Spirit is materializing around certain individuals to create metaphors for others. And that's what happened in my case."
The bell synchronicity in his life culminated when he became aware of having lived a previous life in Egypt as Bel-Marduk also known as Ra-Ta (Sun-Earth) the priest. Visiting an antique store several blocks from his home in Echo Park, Bell found an Egyptian pendant with a profile of his exact likeness. In 1932 Edgar Cayce channeled the message that Ra-Ta would return to the world in 1998. That year, people discovered Bell via the Internet.
As Bell observes in "Publishing Information" at http://testament.org - "Reading TESTAMENT illuminates the lost knowledge of the relationships of man and the carnal world with those changes that fade or fall away in their various effect, making plain the interpretation of death. The reader's consciousness is expanded; thus the 'uncovering' of the Hall of Records. . . . Spirit has made my life an open book so that others can expand their consciousness."
The connection between Bel-Marduk and Ra is a subject of the work of Zecharia Sitchin. In Sitchin's recent book THE COSMIC CODE, ancient texts are cited concerning Marduk's emergence from the Great Pyramid. Sitchin identifies these texts on pages 59/84 as "precursors of the New Testament tale of the death, entombment, and resurrection of Jesus. Sentenced to exile, Ra/Marduk became Amen-Ra, the unseen god. . . . scholars seriously debated at the turn of this century whether his story was a prototype of the story of Christ."
At Paramount, Mark Russell Bell contributed to publicity campaigns for more than 100 films, including "Ghost," several "Star Trek" films, "Scrooged," "Fire In The Sky," "Dead Again," a reissue of "The Ten Commandments," "The Butcher's Wife," "Fatal Attraction," "The Godfather Part III," "Forrest Gump," "Braveheart," "The Naked Gun," "Pet Sematary," "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" and "We're No Angels."
Bell says that after his experiences he perceives watching movies or television shows as distractions to the real and important work Spirit calls us to do: helping other members of our human & animal family and stopping the destruction of the Earth's eco-system.
The Wireless Flash News Service's David Moye quipped after his interview with Mark Russell Bell, "Bell also claims he has the power to raise the dead because whenever he meets people, they start talking about their past lives."
Background information http://testament.org/testament/pguild.html
Photo of burned bushes http://testament.org/testament/c38.html
Photo of Egyptian pendant http://testament.org/testament/c27.html
Photo of a spirit http://testament.org/testament/c16.html
Photo of "aliens" http://testament.org/testament/c19.html
Photo of a "bigfoot" http://testament.org/testament/c50.html
(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: WHEN I FIRST CALLED IN TO KABC-AM ON FRIDAY, JULY 13, 2001, I WAS TOLD TO CALL BACK AN HOUR LATER BECAUSE IRA FISTELL WAS FEATURING A GUEST FOR THE FIRST HOUR OF THE SHOW.)
F: (broadcast) . . . (gives number) will be the telephone number now. We'll talk about everything and anything for the next hour. I'm Ira Fistell filling in tonight for Mr. KABC, who is taking the night off. I'm ready to talk. I hope you are and let's see what people want to talk about in Southern California. (gives number) Now the top of the hour news and traffic
S: KABC? Please hold.
R: It's 7:58. I'm Rob Marinko on the KABC news center with your headlines. Don't expect success with any civil lawsuits accusing the LAPD of being a racketeering enterprise. The LA Times reporting a flurry of recent court rulings by a federal judge indicate that any attempts to recover damages related to the Rampart
S: KABC.
Q: Oh hi.
S: Hi.
Q: Yeah, I called earlier by mistake but actually my background is in the unexplained and I have would have some comments upon Charles Victor Faust's story.
S: Okay. And what else did you want to talk about?
Q: Well just, since it's Friday the 13th, I've done a lot of research into the unexplained
S: Okay, that's right. What's your name?
Q: Mark.
S: Where are you calling from?
Q: Canoga Park.
S: Alright, so just we're going into a commercial but then we'll get to you when you come back, okay?
Q: Okay, great.
S: Alright.
R: . . . to the new Chevy Trailblazer at your Chevy dealer today. On the KABC traffic watch . . . (traffic report and commercial)
M : From ABC News. I'm Michael Barr. The space shuttle Atlantis is expected to dock with the International Space Station any moment now. ABC's Jim Slade has more.
J: Shuttle Commander Steve Lindsey is standing at the controls in the rear of the cockpit looking straight up at the space station. The camera pointed up through the shuttle's docking port helps Lindsey sharpen his aim as he moves up at creep speed to gently connect the two orbiting spacecraft. Creep speed in this case is about an inch and a half a second.
M: California Congressman Gary Condit has taken a lie detector test in connection with the disappearance of former intern Chandra Levy. Here's ABC's Bill Greenwood.
B: Condit's attorney Abbe Lowell says a prominent ex-FBI agent conducted the exam and asked all the questions that mattered.
A: Did the congressman have anything at all to do with the disappearance of Miss Levy?
Second: did he harm her or cause anyone else to harm her in any way? And third: does he know where she can be located?
B: Lowell said Condit passed the polygraph exam with flying colors. And he said the media and public should now quit hounding Congressman Condit and focus on the search for Chandra Levy. Bill Greenwood, ABC News, Washington.
M: New satellite photos may have uncovered one of America's biggest mysteries. A group for historic aircraft recovery says the photos may have found the wreckage of Amelia Earhart's plane. Ric Gillespie of TIGHAR says the photos seem to confirm a story they heard a few years ago.
I: An elderly woman who lives in Suva, Fiji in 1999 told us that when she was sixteen years old and living on that island, her father pointed out red rusty wreckage out on the edge of the reef to her about a hundred meters north of the shipwreck that's there. And her father told her that the fishermen who had been out near that site reported that that wreckage was actually part of an airplane.
M: You're listening to ABC News. (commercials and weather forecast follow)
(bumper music is "Close To Me" performed by Cure)
F: It's six minutes after eight o'clock. I'm Ira Fistell. We'll take calls now until twelve midnight about anything not to twelve midnight. I'm sorry. To nine o'clock. About anything and everything you want to say. I'm filling in tonight for Mr. KABC who's taking the night off. And we've got calls lined up. Scott is our screener, Wayman at the controls, Mark is our caller from (BEEP) Canoga Park. Hi, Mark. You're on the air first this hour.
Q: Good evening, Ira.
F: How are you doing?
Q: Very good. I was thinking while listening to Charlie Faust's story I had intended to call to discuss the paranormal. And I think that his case does show an interactive universe. And there are all kinds of little morality tales you see in all through his experiences.
F: Well it worked for a while for him.
Q: Well
F: And then suddenly the magic was gone.
Q: Well I think that sometimes ("THE") these people are metaphors for others. For example, what really is the difference between, lets say, a Tiger Woods and a Sai Baba or a Uri Geller other than their own awareness or consciousness of the world around them?
F: Well I don't know. What makes somebody like, lets say, Tiger Woods so tremendously successful for a while, where it's almost like he can't lose, and then all of a sudden it's not there?
Q: Well what I think what I, myself, have done is I've researched a lot of the most famous unexplained cases throughout history. For example, Edgar Cayce, who was 'the sleeping prophet' and channeled different spirits. I mean he would end each one of his sessions saying, "We are through." And then ("LIKE") there have been talking various talking poltergeist cases where the haunting Entity would 'mimic' voices perfectly such as the Drummer of Tedworth in 1661, England and the famous Bell Witch case of the 19th Century where there are documented accounts of (people) hearing various voices. I, myself, was able to investigate one of these contemporary cases in Oklahoma where the family even heard various alien voices speaking to them.
F: Well probably the most famous case of people hearing voices is Joan of Arc.
Q: That's right.
F: Who, of course, claimed that everything she did was because the voices were telling her her voices were telling her what to do.
Q: Right. And then if you equate that with some of the other famous cases like the Messages From Michael case have you heard of that?
F: I don't think so. What is it?
Q: Okay. Well there've been very many books about it but there's this Entity that talks through the Ouija Board and gives certain messages. And if you take into mind Cayce's case and even Nostradamus's case, let's say, who talked about angelic 'vaticination' is what he called it. You see this Energy Source that in one poltergeist case, the famous Mary Jobson case from 1839 and in that case there were different voices that were heard. This one was a very religious one and there was a voice ("THAT") said that it was the Virgin Mary. And there was another one that said the Son of God. But if you look at all of these various cases, you do see this amazing, Loving Consciousness that's sort of directing us to try to realize that our life is a morality test.
F: Now you really believe in voices and things, don't you, Mark?
Q: Well I've spent the last six years or so documenting and interviewing people who've had these cases. I mean very many people, for example, have had (an) experience where they hear somebody calling their name and they sort of forget about it but then when they hear someone else telling about it, they say, "Oh I remember that. That happened to me once." And for like on my website I have some of the transcripts at testament.org and ("YOU KNOW") photos of spirits and bigfoots and things like that. But, of course, ("I") I myself would not think of ("YEAH") charging money for it. I mean it's all I've done it there for free.
F: Yeah. Well, you know, that probably the most famous believer in spiritualism anyway was Arthur Conan Doyle.
Q: That's right.
F: Who became oh my goodness, he was just absolutely laughed at because he was such a naive character that he believed in everything.
Q: And you know who his famous creation Sherlock Holmes was based on?
F: Well Dr. Bell probably more than anybody else.
Q: That's right.
F: Dr. Joseph Bell. But Dr. Bell was a scientist. He wasn't in the case of voices or anything. ("BUT")
Q: It's amazing, though especially with bell synchronicity. I remember when Tony Grant was on your show (I should've said your station). I mean she's married to a Bell, for example. And, for example, my pseudonym actually is Bell. But I find that there's an amazing Bell synchronicity to some of these cases.
F: Well that'll be a subject for another night. I like it. (or "I LIKE IT") Thanks for your call.
Q: Thank you.
F: Okay. Bye-bye. Eleven minutes after eight o'clock. Well that's an interesting start to the hour. Something a little bit different than what we usually talk about. And I'm Ira Fistell at (gives number) and Joe is up next . . .
( . . . )
Q: Now it's Sunday and I haven't listened to any of the tapes I recorded of the radio shows on Friday. My impression of my own segment now is that it was not one of my best moments. I just lost track of some of the possibilities that could've communicated to people at least maybe I was trying to do something new not try to concentrate on so much as the details but just to give an overall impression. For example, I didn't mention the two nicknames in the poltergeist cases. I didn't even mention about the Bell name in the family in Oklahoma. It's just really hard when you're a caller to these shows because if you say something too way out there they'll hang up on you. I mean eventually they will hang up on you, anyway . . . so I forgot to turn on my radio cassette recorder so I missed the beginning of Ira Fistell's show. So you'll hear what I heard when I began recording.
G: . . . tried to find a team that needed a miracle.
F: It doesn't do any good with those teams.
G: Apparently not.
F: No, the Red Sox can't win the world series because they traded Babe Ruth. The White Sox can't win because they threw the 1919 world series. And the Indians can't win, I guess, because they just have forgotten how since 1948.
G: That's right. They tried to burn Lake Erie.
F: (small laugh) But, anyway, we're going to talk about Charles 'Victory' Faust. What an incredible character he was. And the amazing thing about him is he is actually in the baseball encyclopedia. He pitched in two games.
G: That's right.
F: And even though he was never a professional player, never even a sandlot player really, was he?
G: Right. I would say that apart from Eddie Gaedel . . .
F: The midget. Right. The midget.
G: He was the least athletic player in the record books.
F: And the interesting thing is Gaedel has a perfect record: one at bat, one walk, no times retired. And Charlie Faust has a 4/50 earned run average
G: That's right.
F: which is better than a lot of pitchers who're in the who pitched for years.
G: . . . Ted Williams and a lot of other people. And, plus, he came to bat. He did a little better that Gaedel. He actually came to bat and the other team hit him with a pitch.
F: Well Gaedel came to bat and drew a walk.
G: And let him steal two bases.
F: Yeah, Faust stole two bases and that's a, you know, that's remarkable for a pitcher anyway.
G: That's right. Especially one who ran like an ice wagon.
F: (laughs) Well, Gabriel Schechter, I suppose we ought to start from the beginning and talk about John McGraw and the Giants. And what had happened to them. And why they needed a good luck charm. After all, they kind of did after 1908.
G: They did. They had been jinxed themselves with Merkle's boner in 1908 which cost them the pennant.
F: You can't just say that. You've got to explain what it was.
G: Yeah. Merkle was on first base and the game winning hit knocked in the runner from third but Merkle neglected to go to second base and the Cubs produced the baseball and stepped on the bag and got an out call from the umpire. So the Giants winning the game. They tied. The game was replayed. They lost the pennant. And in 1911 they were still steaming about it.
F: Now that incidentthe Merkle incidentreally wasn't Merkle's fault because
G: No, it was customary at the time.
F: Right. In those days
G: Something anybody else would've done.
F: That's right. The reason why it happened is because the same umpire was involved with the same team, the Cubs, in a game three weeks earlier in Pittsburgh.
G: Hank O'Day.
F: Hank O'Day and the Cubs pulled that trick Johnny
G: Evers.
F: Johnny Evers, the second basemen, pulled the same thing and claimed the force-out and O'Day didn't want to call it. But they went to the league office and the league office said, "Yeah, you got to call it." So that when the same play came up again in New York, O'Day was forced to call it.
G: And by the time that the play was made there was a near-riot on the field.
F: They couldn't continue the came.
G: There were balls and bodies flying all over the place.
F: Right. By the way, you said the Cubs got the ball. The Cubs got a ball. Nobody really knows which ball it was. (small laugh) Because there were about three balls flying around at that point. But, anyway, the Giants felt that the 1908 team had and should've won the pennant and they thought that they had been cheated out of it.
G: They had one coming to them.
F: Yeah. And then in 1909 they lost to the Pirates. And in 1910 the Cubs beat them again.
G: The Cubs again. ("YEAH")
F: Mordecai 'Three Fingers' Brown.
G: The Giants . . . through all those years they won over ninety games a year but they just weren't good enough.
F: They were like the Dodgers of the early '50s except they didn't lose on the last day of the season every year. Only once.
G: Right.
F: Anyway, we're talking to Gabriel Schechter about Charlie 'Victory' Faust. One thing I don't like about the book is the subtitle because he really didn't save McGraw's Giants. He helped win a pennant for them but he didn't save them.
G: (small laugh) He didn't save them physically. He may have saved their morale, though. And
F: Well just for that one year because the next year they didn't want him around.
G: Yeah. Now not now he was there for the first half of the year. You know, everybody's been talking about the Mariners' start this year and the team that they were chasing was the 1912 Giants.
F: I don't think they ever caught them, did they? I don't think the Mariners were ever quite as good as
G: No. (or "NO") No, they got within a game or two of that pace.
F: Yeah, right. Right. ("BUT BUT THE")
G: That team started out fifty-four and eleven.
F: Of course, they also lost the world series. (small laugh)
G: Yes. ("AA" or "UH") Right.
F: And also because of a ("MOUTH") a mistake although poor Fred Snodgrass doesn't get credit for what he did right in that series. He made a great catch ("YEAH") about an out or two . . .
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Q: Here there's a pause on the tape and I think was just checking to make sure that the tape recorder was working.
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F: . . . because we're not taking any yet. When we do, it'll be (gives number). And then after Gabriel Schechter ("NOSE" or "KNOWS") later tonight we'll have an open forum hour also in the next hour.
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Q: There was traffic and the commercials.
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F: F: It's twenty-one minutes after seven o'clock. I'm Ira Fistell filling in for Mr. KABC tonight. And let's now hear the story of Charles Victor Faust of Marion, Kansas who "turned the world upside down," as you say in the book. Gabriel Schechter, tell the story.
G: Yes. Faust went to a fortune teller in Kansas in the middle of a heat wave in 1911. Faust was sort of a real life Forrest Gump. He was thirty years old, unable to take his father's place looking after the farm, sort of shunned in town. No life. He had enough room in his brain, apparently, for one big idea. And a fortune teller told him he would pitch the New York Giants the championship. So he went to St. Louis.
F: And that wasn't all wait a minute. You've got to tell the rest of the fortune too.
G: I was going to save that.
F: Oh, alright. You want to save it for later? Okay.
G: Yes. (small laugh) Went to St. Louis, where the Giants were taking batting practice. The Giants were in third place. They'd just lost two pitchers. McGraw was down to five pitchers and needed help. This guy came out of the stands, went up to him and said, "McGraw, my name's Charles Victor Faust from over in Kansas tell me I pitch the Giants the championship." Here was a goofy looking guy wearing Sunday clothes that fit kind of tight. McGraw was very superstitious so he said, "Okay, let's see what you got" gave him a tryout. Faust had absolutely nothing. He had a very fancy triple windmill windup and a fancy motion but he had one speed and it was slow.
F: You quote McGraw as saying that, "If a windup was all a pitcher needed, Charlie Faust would beat the world."
G: "I'd take him against put him against the world." Yeah. Well Walter Johnson and a lot of other pitchers at the time used the windmill windup but not quite as exaggerated as Faust or as futile. Joe McGraw thought it was kind of a joke and he said, "Well go take a few cuts and run one out. We'll see what you what kind of an athlete you are." And it took a while but Faust finally dribbled the ball out to the shortstop. McGraw signaled to the fielders to overthrow each base and they made Faust run around the bases and slide into each base. By the time he got home his Sunday clothes were dusty and torn. And the players had a big laugh at his expense. Then they went out and stole nine bases and won eight to nothing. He showed up the next day. They put him in a uniform, let him practice on the field, go through the same routine before the game. They went out and they won four/nothing that day. He showed up the next day and they won again.
F: And ball players being superstitious, this has an effect.
G: Oh absolutely. Except that leaving St. Louis that night, McGraw gave Faust the runaround at the station and stranded him there.
F: He said Faust comes to him and says, "Where's my ticket?"
G: He said, "Yeah. I we left it for you back at the hotel. Run back if you're as fast as you say you are, run back there and get it." . . .
F: And Faust fell for it. I mean he had to be really he had to have an I.Q. of maybe 65.
G: Yeah. He was smart enough to learn a vaudeville act and
F: Sort of.
G: provide it over and over again.
F: Yeah.
G: But he was not smart enough to have a perspective on his own experience, as we'll get to. The laugh was on McGraw though because the Giants played lousy ball the rest of the road trip. When they got back to New York, Faust was waiting for them at the Polo Grounds. He had hopped a freight because he was supposed to pitch the Giants the championship and he wasn't going to be denied that easily. So they played a double-header that day, put him in uniform. They won a double-header. He came back the next day and from that day he became their mascot and the star of the pre-game show, which was an elaborate show of several hours back in those days. And he'd romp around the outfield, shag flies and get conked on the head once in a while.
F: (small laugh) And run bases and slide.
G: Run around the bases and slide and provide comic relief. Basically, he was a buffoon.
F: And he loosened up the Giants.
G: And that's the thing. He kept the Giants loose. The key to it though was that they kept winning. I mean if they hadn't won every day his act might've worn thin but from the time he joined them til the time they clinched the pennant they won over 90% of the time when he was there. It was just uncanny.
F: Now that's phenomenal.
G: Yeah. It's hard to account for.
F: Gabriel Schechter, there's also something else about Charlie Faust. Judging from what you've written in the book, apparently he could sit on a bench and call the next play and be right most of the time.
G: He got a lot of notoriety for that. Yeah, he would of course, you have to remember they were winning every game and he kept predicting they were going to win. You know, if they were losing three to two in the late innings, he'd predict they were going to get a bunch of runs and they would. So
F: Well I can predict the Cubs.
G: Yeah, right.
F: When in no, I just predict the Cubs will lose every day and I'm right most of the time.
G: (small laugh) He
F: Speaking as a Sox fan, you know?
G: I can tell.
F: (laughs) ("SEE YA")
G: He would warm up in the outfield every day during the game so he would be ready to go in if they needed him. There was one famous game where he was warming up in the outfield and Rube Marquard was pitching and ran into trouble. And they called time and they had him run in from the outfield and sit down on the bench and start yelling encouragement to Rube. That was the end of the rally. No problem.
F: And Marquard particularly.
G: Yeah.
F: Marquard was the guy who Victory Faust really helped the most, apparently.
G: Absolutely.
F: You want to talk about that? You know, Marquard was at that time still thought of as a $10,000 bust.
G: Yeah. He had come up in 1908 and about a week after Merkle forgot to touch second, Marquard made his debut in a game that, if they had won, they would've won the pennant. But he got bombed by Cincinnati and traumatized. In 1911 he was still thought of as the $10,000 lemon. That was the record price paid for him. And the jury was still out. In mid-season, he was starting to win games. But after Faust showed up, until Faust left he was thirty-three and three. And Faust was absent for two of the three losses.
F: And the funny thing about that is that after Faust left Marquard was never again a big winner. He was a 500 pitcher the rest of his career.
G: That's right. It was most dramatic in 1912. Marquard set the record by winning his first nineteen games.
F: Still a major league record. Nobody ever else has touched that.
G: That's right.
F: Nineteen straight wins in the course of a regular season.
G: By modern records, it would've been twenty but it was nineteen for him and he won the nineteenth the week that they finally ran Faust back to Kansas in July of 1912. And inside of a week Marquard lost three games. It's like Charlie turned a switch off.
F: It's an incredible story. Didn't Charlie Faust really have some kind of a magic? How can you say?
G: How can you say? He had what he had was perfect timing to be in a place where somebody just like him was very much needed. McGraw was such a harsh and difficult man to work for that he terrorized a lot of players. Especially the younger players and it was a very young team. ("THEY THEY") The lineup on the field was young. The pitchers were veterans. And Faust came along and became the butt of their practical jokes on the field, off the field. Back in those days, the teams they stayed at the same hotel. They lived together. They were on the long train rides between cities. On the train rides, they'd have him performing the whole time. And they'd play practical jokes on him. The same joke every day and he'd go for it every day.
F: He never caught on.
G: No.
F: He never caught on.
G: No, so he was the perfect foil and the perfect counterbalance to McGraw's . . .
F: And everybody was laughing at him. Except he was taking it seriously. And that's the thing that's both the greatness and the tragedy of Charlie Faust.
G: That's right. That's
F: Hang on a second, Gabriel Schechter. We've got a newscast to do. We'll come right back to you.
G: Okay.
F: Alright?
G: Sure.
F: Gabriel Schechter, our guest. We're talking about Charlie Charles 'Victory' Faust. He was called Victory Faust because his middle name was Victor. And we'll talk about more about Charles Faust and the incredible legend that he created after we take a look at the latest news and traffic report on Talk Radio 790 KABC. Here's Rob Marinko.
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F: Twenty-three minutes before eight o'clock. I'm Ira Fistellfilling in for Mr. KABC tonighttalking about the fabulous legend of Charles Faust with Gabriel Schechter, the author of Victory Faust, the book about him. Why didn't you call it The Faust Legend, Gabriel?
G: The Faust Legend?
F: The Faust Legend.
G: (small laugh) Because for a long time that's all there was.
F: It makes such a perfect ("NO") perfect title because it almost is as if Charlie Faust sold his soul to the Devil or something for these magical powers.
G: Isn't it? (small laugh)
F: Yeah. Doesn't it sound like it?
G: Absolutely. I mean you couldn't invent a better name than Victory Faust.
F: And his name was Victor, which was almost victory. And, of course, the writers in New York turned the C Charles Victor into 'See Victory.'
G: That's right.
F: 'See Victory' Faust.
G: That's what he did.
F: Yeah. By the way
G: The writers had a field day with him.
F: Right. I was going to say that's the next thing we have to talk about. You talk about the way characters are made today ("NO") in tabloids and through television, whatever. In those days, they were made by sportswriters.
G: That's all there was back then. There was this before radio even. And New York City had thirteen daily newspapers. And the writers had to compete with each other so they were always looking for good copy. And two or three of them in particular. Damon Runyon was a rookie in New York that summer also and Faust was one of the first characters that he latched onto. By the end of the summer, he had Faust sounding like Nathan Detroit was going to.
F: (small laugh) Nathan Detroit had not yet been invented.
G: That's right.
F: The interesting thing about that is Damon Runyon also came from Kansas and was born one day
G: That's one of the amazing things about it. One day and sixty miles apart.
F: Yeah.
G: And they showed up in Manhattan.
F: The same year.
G: And Runyon was one of the guys who made him famous. And only ten to fifteen thousand people went to a game and the only way you could hear about it was through the newspapers. Yet within three weeks of hitting New York Faust already had such a big following that he got a vaudeville gig. So his fame really spread fast. And writers and the word of mouth. ("AND")
F: Yeah and so who were some of the writers and what was ("THEY") they were out to get to create a story and Faust was copy.
G: Yeah. The main one was Sid Mercer.
F: Right. Now what Sid Mercer actually turned ("AA") became Faust's ("ALMOST") creator. Almost he almost as if he invented the story of Charlie Faust.
G: In a way, yeah. He almo(st) I think he probably became his agent and had a lot to do with him getting into vaudeville. Mercer had an advantage over the other writers. His paper came out in the afternoon and so by the time his readers picked up the paper they already knew what had happened in the game. So he devoted a lot of his coverage to sidelights and features and odd little items. And Faust certainly fit that bill. So he eventually had two or three items a day in there in Faust's heyday. He would report on everything he did, from what he ate for breakfast, which was usually a huge meal.
F: Apple pie.
G: His apple pie fetish, ("WHICH" or "WITCH") which cost the team a game in Cincinnati because he went wandering off looking for pie and was late for the ballgame. By the time he got there, Marquard had been knocked out.
F: (laughs) One of those two games that Marquard lost when ("YEAH") Faust wasn't there to work his magic. So the Giants went on and won the pennant and then came the tragedy. Because they go to the world series. ("BELL")
G: First came the glory. First he got to pitch.
F: Alright, you want to get Alright, let's okay, let's tell that story next.
G: Yeah, we can't
F: All year long he was saying to Faust
G: He was agitating McGraw to pitch: "Let me pitch. Don't forget "
F: "I'm a pitcher. I want to I've been told I was going to pitch the Giants in the pennant. It wasn't "
G: Besides, it was his destiny. How could McGraw deny his destiny?
F: And it wasn't enough to lead the Giants to the pennant. He had to pitch the Giants to the pennant.
G: That's right. And McGraw would blow him off. And McGraw, I think, viewed thought it would be a travesty if this guy got on the mound. He thought he'd probably get killed. And so he would tell him things like, "Yeah, Charlie, you pitch Friday." And Charlie would get excited and he'd look at the schedule and see they had an off day on Friday. And he just strung him along, paid his expenses, took him on the road and let him be part of the team but
F: Never let him into a game.
G: Didn't let him pitch until almost an afterthought. As popular as Faust had been on the road, if McGraw had announced that Faust was going to pitch the game today, they would've drawn a huge crowd. As it was, it was a small crowd and he put him in to pitch the ninth inning.
F: At a game in Boston?
G: It was at the Polo Grounds against Boston.
F: He's alright, yeah. ("THEY WERE") Both games were at home night.
G: He got lucky. The first batter crushed the ball and it went for a double but the pitcher was up next so he bunted. And then another guy crushed the ball but it was caught for a sacrifice fly. And the final guy was laughing so hard he grounded out. And when the game ended Faust was on deck. ("THAT AS") One of the writers put it, "What are three outs to Charlie Faust?" He wanted to bat. The other team stayed in the field, let him bat. They did what McGraw had done the first day he met Faust. He let him hit the ball and ran him around the bases and tagged him out about two feet from home plate.
F: Can you imagine doing that? And the other thing was that, apparently, in those days when they had batting practice, the teams would mix in batting practice. You didn't just throw to your own team. And Charlie Faust was throwing batting practice to people like Honus Wagner.
G: Right. Honus Wagner let Faust strike him out in batting practice.
F: Eight-time batting champion.
G: Yes. Couldn't handle Faust.
F: (small laugh) At least, Charlie thought so. ("MAY")
G: He may have been the Stu Miller of his time. Maybe he threw so slowly that nobody could find them. But actually what with Wagner doing that and Faust pitched another inning in the last game of the year and got the side out without a run. What that complicity did was foster his illusion that he was a real pitcher. So that in 1912 when he stayed with the team part-time he was more intent than ever on proving that he was a real pitcher. He went to spring training on his own that year to teach himself to pitch left-handed so he'd be twice as valuable. I mean this guy was . . .
F: Well he was obsessed. He had that single-minded obsession. You know, Gabriel, I think it's important to point this out that Charlie Faust had that single-minded obsession, that total belief
G: Yes.
F: that only the most simple and the most what would you say? The most uncomplicated character could have.
G: That's right.
F: He believed in his destiny. The fortune teller told him he was going to be a great pitcher.
G: That's right. As I said, ("THIS") this one great idea filled his head to the exclusion of just about everything. And so when they finally did send him back to Kansas, he kept peppering the league office and the Giants' office with letters, trying to get reinstated. And he believed he was a real pitcher and eventually he went insane.
F: We'll talk about the downfall of Charlie Faust after the next break here.
G: Okay.
F: Gabriel Schechter's our guest and the book is called Victory Faust. ("BOND") Foreward by Lawrence Ritter. It is an amazing story. ("CAR") And there's something far beyond baseball in this book because it is the story of a, as I just said, a man with an obsessive idea for which there was no compromising. And that's the kind of thing that makes sometimes makes great people and sometimes makes terrible ("WITH") results in terrible things. And that's what happened with Charles Faust. We'll talk about that in a moment. It's now 7:45, time to check the latest traffic report on Talk Radio 790 KABC . . .
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F: Ten minutes before eight o'clock. I'm Ira Fistell filling in for Mr. KABC. Well Charlie Faust had his eleven weeks or so of glory and then the tragedy begins. And the tragedy began with the world series that year.
G: Yes, it did. He got out-mascoted.
F: (laughs)
G: Of all things. Connie Mack of the Philadelphia Athletics had an experienced mascot who spent most of the decade with the team. A hunchbacked dwarf named Louis Van Zelst whose jinxing powers and a couple of home runs by Home Run Baker did the Giants in.
F: I suspect the home runs probably had more to it than the mascot. ("THINK SO") This was when Frank Baker was still known as Frank. He earned his Home Run Baker nickname in that world series by hitting one off Mathewson and then one off Marquard on successive days.
G: That's right. And Faust started badmouthing him right after that. He thought it was a very dishonorable thing to do.
F: And the series was delayed umpteen days by rain.
G: By rain.
F: And it kind of took the stuffing out of the Giants. And when they lost all of a sudden it was Charlie's fault.
G: Well, yeah, he had to take the blame along with everybody else because he had predicted all along that they'd win the series in five games.
F: And they lost in six.
G: They lost in six. And his stock went down quite a bit. And then a couple of weeks later he had a one-week engagement in vaudeville which may have signaled the end of vaudeville. I found a review in Variety and, ("O") first of all, he was the next-to-last act. A bunch of tumblers went on to close the bill. And after his first performance, they refused to go on after him. But the Variety reviewer said, "Vaudeville must be a dying institution to take on an act of this sort." . . .
F: Vaudeville, of course, was where you presented a hot new name because there wasn't anything else. There weren't any Johnny Carson shows. You know, no TV.
G: It was like going on "The Tonight Show."
F: Right.
G: Yeah. Or "The Ed Sullivan Show." Ed Sullivan used to introduce celebrities of the week.
F: Yeah, The Beatles started there.
G: Yeah.
F: Yeah. Anyway so Charlie was a punctured what would you say? A punctured jinx jinx breaker.
G: Yeah. (or "YEAH")
F: A punctured mascot.
G: And in 1912 he was there for a lot of their home games when they got off of to that incredible start. McGraw wouldn't let him on the road again and he became more fervent in his attempts to be recognized for his pitching ability, which became more of a joke and an aggravation. And they were doing just fine. Then McGraw heard about Carter Harrison.
F: Now this is an interesting story. Carter Harrison was the mayor of Chicago who was assassinated by apparently a half-crazy guy.
G: Yes. And Faust and the man Prendergast who killed Carter Harrison in 1894 they say he was just a hanger-on and we all know people in our workplace or in a shop or a diner or someplace that are sort of not quite there mentally but they're always there. They're always around. They you play along with them. They don't know that you're laughing at them. But they're there. And the mayor of Chicago led this guy along and didn't deliver. And the guy shot him. And when somebody told the story to John McGraw, he realized that really that's what he had been doing. He had been stringing Faust along and giving him the impression that he was going to succeed in his in all his missions and in reality he wasn't prepared to. And he suddenly became very fearful that Faust was going to snap . . .
F: And, in fact, he did snap a couple of years later.
G: He did snap a couple of years later. Right. He was living in Seattle and ("A") he got arrested in Portland. He had walked from Seattle to Portland. He was on his way to New York to help the Giants, he told police in Portland. He was put in the state hospital in Salem, Oregon. And on the admission sheet he listed his occupation as professional ballplayer. So he the delusion had taken hold by then.
F: And he died of tuberculosis in the insane asylum only three years or so after his
G: Yeah. He was dead by 1915 at the age of 34. The tragedy of Faust is that we can appreciate what he did more than he did.
F: Yeah. But just the very fact that he was able to pitch in the major a couple of major league games; is in the major league record book; he did help the team to a pennant. ("HE") He had a serious accomplishment ("THAT'S RIGHT") but he never understood that. ("I MEAN")
G: He lived out every fan's dream. We would all love to shag flies in the ballpark and pitch batting practice and run around the bases, much less be on the bench of a pennant-winning team, much less get in the game.
F: Yeah. ("BITCH")
G: Every one of us would like to.
F: And, Gabriel Schechter, the epitaph to Charlie Faust. After all these years he was almost forgotten totally. Now you've written the book that will ("BOO[K]") forever be associated with Charlie Faust. But the epitaph to Charlie Faust goes to Rube Marquard, who was the guy he helped the most who when he was 92 years old, the last survivor of the Giants of 1911, Marquard said:
G: This was at Cooperstown at the Hall of Fame weekend and ("AA") a historian named John Holway went up to Marquard and asked him about Faust. And Marquard could barely talk. And he simply said, "When he was with us, we won. When he wasn't, we didn't."
F: And that, from Marquard especially, that was really true.
G: That's all he needed to know. And when Faust left, things weren't as bleak for Marquard anymore.
F: Yeah. Well, Gabriel Schechter, it's a remarkable book. It's something that a story that, I suppose, had to be told by somebody sooner or later and you were the one who did it. ("SO") The book is called Victory Faust by Gabriel Schechter, published by Charles April Publications. How do people get it if they're interested?
G: You can order it through your local bookstore. On amazon.com is the easiest place.
F: Okay. Thank you very much for doing the work on Charles Victory Faust because
G: Well thank you, Ira.
F: nobody else did it all those years.
G: It was a story that definitely needed to be told.
F: Yeah. And here it is. Ninety years after it happened, there's finally a book about it.
G: Right.
F: Thanks very much.
G: Thank you. Bye-bye.
F: Okay. That's Gabriel Schechter, author of Victory Faust, a tragic, comic, great story. You know, you could almost ("PUT") well you could almost put it in the category of the Faust legend, a man who sold his soul to the Devil perhaps never could get over the fact that he had been successful but not successful enough for him. And he died insane. Alright, that's the story. We're going to go to our open forum part of the program next. (gives number) is the telephone number, toll-free. I hope you enjoyed the story of Victory Faust and what a strange and tragic and wonderful story it is. (gives number) will be the telephone number now . . . .
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